and finally, fix this big, big issue. you have a professor find this is an excellent point. this is one of the few issues that i think it is a truly is by part of. so i'm because both parties deserve a lot of the blame because neither one of them have wanted to fix the issue when they've been in power. this was a title that started off under president trump. so at this stage, you know, it, could you look at what happened in the present trumpet? is there any difference between the policy under president trump or president biden, or is it the exact same and they're just pointing fingers at each other? yeah, i mean, i think they're equally bad if anything, the policy under body moves worse because under title forwarding to which i want to point out has nothing whatsoever to do with public because there was no career cdc scientist that ever publicly expressed support for that. it was roundly dismissed by public health excellence experts as actually being a public health manager. it was, it was put in place by the white supremacy of steven miller, the aide to the truck so that at least $24.00 were rapidly deported or just

expelled from the united states. they didn't have a side of penalties following that. now with the returns of title 8, people who attempt to who are unable to use the quote unquote lawful pathways that are actually impossible for many, many asylum seekers. and they try to enter the united states bill, actually be criminalized and prevented from seeking asylum for another 5 years. so it's a more harmful than title 42 was um, in addition to the other ways that by the other mechanisms that binding has that to prevent people from exercising their international right to um, suffolk asylum. and i want to add that i actually agree with your other guess the silence as it is under funded and it and it the we need to fund side better. we need for people to be able to have access to assignment cards and not have the back lots of years that we have now. well, and that's why i want to talk about funding too, because yes, obviously there's a lot of money being invested by the individual states and the federal government

to this. when you talk about funding, you know, the 8, i think that when you look at gabriel, you 1st started say there's a lot of resources to handle. so where does this funding go? is the funding suppose to go to those that are processing, whether you're talking about the courts or the law enforcement that's on the border, or are you talking about the funding needs to go to taking care of them? and i think this could be a major debate on this issue for both sides of the part of gabriel. where does the money more money need to go in? the definitely need to to, to be able to find the border patrol. border patrol is stretched out way too thin as it is already away. so many people coming in a to the southern border. you know, a part of it needs to be, i did being able to process these people in their countries of lords, right? it's, it's not, it's also unfair to say, because of your proxy, geographical proximity, the united states, you're going to be able to come in when possibly some, some young man or, or woman in india with a viable claim. who would be a great person to,

to integrate into united states is, you know, 2 or 3000 miles away. you're going to have to wait because these people are going to jump in the lot. and, and part of that is gonna have to be funding these processes where you can probably, or you can process these folks or assign them claims and otherwise in the original countries wars. but that does have to include components for the border patrol fuels that the southern border is no longer pores. and that people can't just come over here through mex, core central america. and just keep the line of not by coming into texas, nevada, arizona, etc. fessler pine and your thoughts? do you agree with him as well as a 3rd to say that people could fairly be processed in their countries of origin? if in fact they have a valid asylum claim, that means that they are facing uh, you know, a real danger to their life. and if that's the case, then having to wait in the country of origin puts them at tremendous risk of losing their life. in my case, i work as an asylum, as a country conditions expert for people from ponderous in, you know, in,

in asylum courts. here in the united states, and i, my case is generally go, well, but there are so many examples of people who have been deported because they haven't had, you know, they haven't had fair representation as they've been deported and quite quickly after that killed and, and that's the thing the conditions people are reading are very dangerous. if they didn't have a valid asylum, can't claim the processing center with work. but for those people who do have valid design and claim, it's because they're going to get killed and they can't, they can't ask for asylum in their own country. okay, so i have to ask you the question. if there is a mass amounts, like you said, guatemala hunters were saying from restaurant from these countries where the world organizations that we, we do have these things called the united nations and other world health world organizations. why are they looking at the government of the country that's allowing this that's pushing these sorts of policies that are making their people

say, where is the account ability on those countries instead of putting the, all of the work and all of the pressure and all the bottling we say the word burden on countries like united states and other surrounding to take these immigrants. yeah. um, i would go back to my earlier point, which is, but it's not those countries that are causing this is the united states foreign policy. the united states for our policy is, is creating conditions in countries around the world. and i work specifically in latin america. so i could speak to many of those countries, but the wars that we have funded, the cruise that we have funded be economic warfare that we're funding through sanctions. this is what is preventing countries from acting in ways that are software in ways that are best for their own people. and it is what is expelling people from those countries. if we really wanted to, you know, to do the right thing, we would stop intervening in other countries solver in affairs and they would stop spending billions of dollars on wars and you know, and,

and militarization and other countries that would give us more than it would spend the flow tremendously of asylum seekers, and it would give us some more than enough money to pay for. as you mean. border system not to mention paper, health care and education and things like that. but we desperately need the most country for us. the primary and lighting hold on panel, stay right there. i want to come right back to you after the break. because after the break, we're going to continue this very good discussion and look at why the united states continues to have the largest amount of immigrants around the world, the, [000:00:00;00]

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[000:00:00;00] the you are watching at $360.00 view and i'm estimating now hughes. we are discussing the end of the united states, public health immigration policy called pedal, $42.00 and migration across the globe. so let's welcome back professor adrian pine, a visiting professor and department of anthropology and social change at the california institute of integral studies. and gabriel gone is a acumen immigrant and executive director for the ready for ron political action committee. thank you both for joining me on this. i'm going to start with you professor pine on this. what are you? i know you were with latin america, but are you concerned about the large amount of non hispanic citizens who are crossing the southern border?

and i'm not concerned about it. i, you know, i'm, i'm concerned for their safety and concern that their human rights are respected. i'm concerned about the, the civilization that people have experienced in places all around the world and much of which again, has to do with us for a policy. not all of that. of course. i mean, you can look at entities that are us allies like nato, that are creating tremendous how they're going. it's spelling people from their homes are concerned that people are not able to exercise their human rights to stay in their communities of origin to stay with their families. and that's something that people are being denied. so yes is, it's a concern for me and i think we need to make sure that, that we are respecting international rescue g law and in respecting their human rights and ensuring that they are not sitting greater danger than they have already been in to travel such tremendous amount of a tremendous distance to try to seek refuge. gabrielle though,

we're talking about people that are flying to mexico city from india. so our own producer software and either buying from other countries, they obviously have the money. why are they? why are they seeing folks not trying to do it legally? do you feel like because it's so much easier to come into this other more intuitively, going to get into it legally. it takes a lot of time, you know, sometimes to get an appointment and with the united states. obviously you want to, or depending on where you live, can take up to 34 years just uh, just to get seen by and immigration official is much easier with, with forrest board just come geographically, fly to mexico, the mexicans aren't doing anything because we, we, we no longer have say, the state of mexico policy, we have no, we're, we're not just putting a lot of pressure on the mexican government. so they're not doing a whole lot to stop anything. they come through the water and all of them get in. they get paid the pay off these coyotes who are quite frankly, a do horrendous thing. so a lot of these poor people and, and promising them things that are just simply not true. they're just going to walk in here and everything is going to be rosy. so i think that's unfortunately

a situation that we find ourselves in new and then there's no change of seemingly insight. so gabrielle, i have to ask you at your own florida gover ronda sands as well as governor abbot. how do you feel about them sitting migrates into the back yards of the democrats, who de, for c, r. the reason for this problem and the policy that they're putting in place. it was a game of chicken for years. the democrats have been saying that republican, a southern states and need to open up their borders and, and take care of these immigrants. well, fair enough it's, it's a, it's a country of 50 states. and so therefore, because of our proximity to the border, shouldn't mean that the people up north shouldn't have to bear some of those burden . and the 2nd that they started to send intervenes, of some of these non border states up north, uh, they immediately started school. we have at eric adams and in new york talking about now getting rid of the sanctuary city side us at least on a, on a, on a, on a temporary basis. and in new york city and other places doing the same. i think

it's a little bit of a box if, if, if, if the southern states are being overwhelmed and you think that it's a in humane not to allow everyone in, well, then you should open up your own doors and welcome these folks in professor pine. i mean, is this fair for those southern stay, especially the local budgets to handle, all of the migrants are coming across the border illegally. and what is your response? when you said these buses were bus to 2 places like the hamptons, which within 24 hours, the national guard was activated and they cleared them out. you see eric adams saying, tell, we might not be a sanctuary city anymore. how do you feel when these more northern democrats, their response, and how they're handling the migrant crisis in their own backyard is, well, i live in washington dc where, you know, we've been getting huge numbers of buses coming up to here and people been working very hard to ensure that these people are welcomed and that they're getting, you know, they're, they're receiving the site for as we are essentially are city um,

air guns is no friends to my friends. as most democrats are no friends to migrate. so let's be clear about that. however, he got new york under kathy oh, go recently made a really important point which is that there need to be better, better federal and funding and solutions for um, for it disorder. xena phobic, fostering of how can, who can like out out via phobia, who the states are really going to suffer the most from these anti migrant policies are florida in texas. they're already losing millions of dollars are beginning to experience dramatic work or shortages. this is really a sort of competition for who can be the most beautiful, the nationalistic, and what we need is, is indeed a federal solution. and so that there's not, you know, too much of a burden for the, the, the states that are off the border. um and you know, solutions like the ones that adams and, and who were calling for which is expediting the work permit process. it's

tremendously difficult for people who are seeking asylum, who are fleeing or risk situations to establish themselves and you know and be safe and to, you know, how sort of the lifestyle that they would like to have and avoid crime. avoid being victims of crime. and so whatever we can do at the federal level to facilitate that, i think that's what we need to to. so professor, since we're considering your talk to all the foreign aid that are currently be given address to other countries, why do you think there's not more of a call to have that money remain at home to take care of this crisis? and what's your answer? when you look at there, we have a major homeless problem here in united states. we have is a major challenge to a paying for education. we are of a challenge to our health care system. we don't have money right now currently in the united states, but it's even pay for the citizens that we have homeless veterans. we're, we're actually kicked out of hotels. what do you say to those and say we don't even have enough money to take care of american citizens right now,

or sending billions overseas to other countries? why didn't the more of a call to take care of americans 1st, then take care of other countries as i mean, she might be having american speaking asylum and other countries soon if we keep this up. yeah, i mean, i think actually we need to look at the global budget. we need to look at the global federal budget. we're spending billions and billions of dollars on a proxy or with russia that is already killed over a $100000.00 ukrainians and display millions more. we don't need to be spending that money, but on unaware that could be other peacefully through negotiation. and with regard to for me, i'm actually in agreement that a lot, a lot of it should be cost for school. specifically, the huge for portion of it that is possibly called a, it is actually going towards the militarization of foreign countries and fix huge corporate extracted projects that are displacing people from their homes and communities and preventing other countries to exercise their right to star energy. this would solve the migration crisis, and it would give us billions of dollars back that we would then be able to spend

on taking care of our needs as a nation. well, i want to thank you and gabrielle ayana's, and adrian pined for your discussion here today. this is been screwed out. here's with your 360 view of the news you can use. thanks for watching the best of both. no issue, but for the mobile, when you go annual g d, p per capita is about $4000.00 euros. the photo gallery and a mobile cuz i'm really watched here the sleep of man. i've got a near planet across the ceiling from where this really into photo me. so should

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but not least $30.00 plus the i live this out, and grading falls is planning a cycle on a rushes territories with the west, made still shadow and high mazda. so here is all outside that is an attractive of some of these according to the russian defense show. that's so hard that the even had the seller where we were hiding, it feels like they were on the hunt for it before a rise. the neighboring houses were burning. here's from one of the many families is lives, it's been sexes. incentive prizes involved if it's

pulling to remove you and to the 400 feet while west and the status of putting the blame. vermani is decision on russia. of the the desktop problem is very weighed in getting in a rises of 6. we have problems with this poor father of a 15 year old boy. these time is unlike any all the time. they don't differentiate between your old people. they fly randomly. the very well welcome to you from the inside of the international news to come and see you live 4 months ago. let's take a look at that. so. so is this out gave in tennessee is weaponry, given by the west of full russian territory,

including crimea. that is what on the russian defense. what is the says? i think that it's so it is also successfully resisted many of the counter offensive assaults, a very serious girl, for those rise for the current in forces continue to attempt to carry out anything that saves and be self. the next as a part of the rosure and, and that is what region for the new for you getting started. you have ration, uses a large number of watches and weapons. and in the past now with trade vine data, especially as an issue with fixture in the, for the training and forces of launch. 263 attack against russian position was thanks to the company. and himself was action of the unit, or of the republicans in the enemy. you do not reach our target. certainly knew those things. let's get more all of this spring to all cheese lima if i wanted to see thanks for doing this out. you brings up to speed on what exactly the defense miss. i have to say. so the russian defense minister a survey showed go,

has said today that the crane in military leadership is planning to use western weapons to attack certain areas in russia that are not part of the active zones of hostilities including crimea. now they're planning to do this using high mars rockets as well as thorn shuttle air launch. cruise missiles that are delivered by both the united states and the united kingdom, respectively, only really only accelerating nato's involvement into this conflict. no. according to the defense minister himself, the operations at a attack came crimea, for instance, will result in immediate strikes against decision making centers in ukraine. and here's more than what he had to say. when there's in brother, according to the information, the command of the ukrainian forces is planning to launch strikes on the territory of the russian federation, including crime it with high mazda and storm shadow missiles. the use of these missiles outside the area of the special ministry operation and indicate the full

fledged involvement of the us and you came to conflict and with the amount of media strikes on the decision making scientist on the territory of ukraine. now uh for a cat, it's cleaning a tax on the done yet squeezing were repulsed by a russian military and but ukraine is still continuing to carry out. it's offensive in that same region using not only western weapons, but also a military that is trained by nato itself. and despite the very long awaited counter offensive, it seems that ukraine has failed to achieve any significant advances on the ground . however, investing in the banks for the update on the cards for lima. a chavez, thanks again. because the train continues to take a day, the total on civilians with the lives lost or up ended. people are faced with a difficult decision to stay in the face of danger for me, planning and showing off sleep. so i'm have chosen so fine child the english as all

to the english done of rewards. the team has made a colossal push to brand the ongoing war as the nationwide uprising against russian invaders. uncomfortable images of young men going out of their way to escape and resist mobilization, swept under the rug, as well as the fact that amid the refugee crisis, millions ran into the embrace of the supposed abuse cling to russia. this is one of such families. alexander and marie, mary used to live a quiet, reclusive life deep in the local forestry. everything changed when they're alone, cabin became a target for ukraine's troops. denial slowly made way for acceptance, and the couple made a heart wrenching decision to flee to the nearest town of cream and naya. they left behind their old life, but not ukrainian bones. the,

we do this try ship because we would call sleeping shelves. they struck a neighborhood, landed here. if there was no such barrier here, the fragments would have house us. recently they showed us my wife even went to the don't set because of the poisoning. apparently they find some kind of mock. as on the, on the 26, they showed us. so how did they even had the seller wherever hiding it feels like they were on the hunt for us before our eyes, the neighboring houses were banding. my husband and i tried to put out defies. the neighbors says all these shillings actually sought to displace as many people as possible, even though it was the ukrainians biotech. you know, so even before the russian sensor, the city on the crane brought the soul, this trouble rush, i did not fly a single shot to the city. russian soldiers were greeted as the real liberators. and now we have the same good attitude towards them. they share the rations with us, we ask the ukrainians, why are you hitting us?

they say to create more refugees. so they leave their homes and head to the west. the authorities to make good money out of that. in a way that worked to date, russia has sheltered the more ukrainian refugees than any of the country. and these people regret nothing too much of some kind of application for a passport. for a quite to an application, for vacation, it will have to be in ukrainian. the stalls we are forced to speak ukrainian to greet them in ukrainian because the 7 ukrainian i told them to spend half of it all seemed government offices. my children were forced to speak ukrainian, starting from kindergarten russians, the 2nd largest ethnic group in ukraine. following the 2014 revolution, keith went on the mission to make the life of every single one of them miserable. neo nazi groups were nourished as they hovered above the little,

probably see if that of who in 2014, when now self invited sect to appease the give books to schools on how to teach the killing of russian people. because of all the she was at the right site to it was created and it seems that you can do whatever you want just call yourself or i'd like to member. they came to us to the hunches cabin when we were still guarding the area they broke deluxe for was, i say, tell me ball, open it to you. they on said that they right stick to members, and they do what they want those, boston's, they beat the elderly women, that's fine for them. but as the fighting began, they mediately screwed out since last year, ukraine lost huge swings of its land. as for the people here though, with every policy, every step of the way key if lost them, long before that i guess done every poor thing from the dumbass oxy bells or other temporary accommodation incentives and now home to many who are full . so see the hands as

a result of pull to attracts on the area by brand new forces. how's the car is what the shape of is a visit to the wall distances. stay with us until the end of the products, the mass of the applicant content when malia has decided to withdraw you and choose from the country is neva because you know, also as a pulls in the move, as in both thing, others, the respect these actions, the government of booty now saw so congratulate smalley for these choice, which is in line with the strategic region of the navy and states in the fight against terrorism. and of all the restoration of peace and security. and the saw held, encourages the governments and the brother people of molly and these as a nation of the sovereignty of the male in states. and the expression on the will of matthews and formality is to be sold must as of the destiny. the government of looking at fossil involves beef, nachos,

the community district with respect to the choices made by molly a hi life lesson countries. you don't delay jumping to the conclusion that rushes to blame. germany is it's using russian stoking. i'm to western sentiment in the african nation. i'm saying is, will remain in law for another year. at least, washington has also condemned the decision. the united states regress the transition government of miles as decision to revoke is constant for m i n u s m a m. i m u s. m. a. stroll down must be orderly and responsible. prioritizing the safety and security of peacekeepers and mountains. we are not surprised that the marion transitional government and russia will use the forthcoming extension of the un mandate to make political capital out of it. our interest is still in orderly withdrawal. un peacekeeping mission has been involved e for decade with it's also combating terrorism for the national government plains, those functions of done little qual, the violence, and should therefore leave it comes, i made