even when we moved on to talk to older kids might say was making his voice heard interrupting me as i interviewed others in a similar position. the don't use the term it to be here. and his determination really impressed me. i'm the crew. he asked us if we could help him find a room away from the open accommodation of the center to help him and his mom to make a new start somewhere else. my face please, and determination to help his family resonated with me. so i decided to call my friends and colleagues moscow to see if we could help out. their response was as gracious and generous as the volunteers helping out in belgrade. so we found mcvey . he's actually sitting at the table where we 1st met him. i think he's a right there. so let's see. might be the best way to cut the law. of course, she can't help everyone, but that doesn't mean you can't help anyone. the kindest we witnessed on this trip was truly heroic audrey, people helping ordinary people. i'm just glad we could help him,

i'd say in his family, along the way to a new start. so my new summer safe green will become the new financial recipient of a originally intended for advocacy that save all goes according to plan, but didn't plays by fitness future for trade and development. nasa, the program, the 8th of slash funding to countries of express support for russia of the seeing. so minnesota remains tight lips on the specific countries that will be targeted according to the finished newspaper african nations with single that with the future meza saying the confidence as a whole will now be on the finished, exclusively. helsinki is really supposed to be cutting a 100000000 euros from is allocated aid for the development of, of the nations and naming you crane as the programs, main beneficiary. now lots of spiked the publication of fitness at 2021. after this

strategy, which highlighted housing needs intention to increase trade with africa. well, also posing is economic development that wouldn't be instrumental in preventing hunger on the continent, which the u. n says is on track to reach new highs. service costs live now to $10.00. they go to the foot position and form a lever, the south africans stuff as national assembly, sir, thanks so much for joining us here today on all day. now, how do you feel about this announcement? does it appears as though africa cannot rely on the promises made by you? well, i must say that to the position of the government sooner than it is in disgrace, that it is a classical case of classic diplomacy, way, threats and black may. i used a to achieve certain positions, meaning that the position of that countries take on the share ukraine,

a conflict and may not necessarily be informed by a nation of thinking of independent decisions. but may be a product of like me. and to as africans, you know, coming in the heroes of the show, the treatment or the opportunity that she's going to create in poland. immediately of course, only days. the view that all of those countries that the airlines to america is not a good fly for tens. and can only obtain the positions by bully time, but you know, the russian or 4 messages so frequently emphasize that china is a huge invest and probably the main, one of the main partners of a number of applicants nation. do you think that with the russian and china perhaps working together, we can see more african countries. 10 perhaps, you know, turn away from more western influences. i'm, i'm work for

a more multi polar world to well, look at is to look at the east to the americans and the a few of us sounds enough because, and you look at the position of russia and china. if you started the fleet, got it. it becomes nature around a definitely tends to be more inclined to look at was these 2 countries, not only for the sort of how it is and they supported us reading the struggle against colonialism. but that today kind of the in terms of economic development, i mean, china is invested in road in africa. russia is still funding. so if it tells us a to africa and the restaurant is actually made an announcement through minutes, the role that says russia is going to assist applicants to a set themselves into quality, the independence even in tests of nations. so this kind of behavior by seamless and

then even bi polar and the rest of them can only push the oxygen country as much faster a towards russia and china. and it's really look forward to the mind to pull a world where all nations with the treated respect and equally, which is the problem, is the pressure and china give to the world as opposed to the bullying and the play make that money for successful, disgracefully, from feeling yeah, i mean we know that even on the india in 5 minutes and the resume is the kids of an african union into the g 20 perhaps the into the g 21. but when i see it happens, do you think that they'll be more of a reaction to countries like finland, making promises then breaking them to look in nice little piano pins, making comments and breaking them has been part and parcel affleck has experience.

but in the up soon as possible, the tentative eh, some african countries were forced to, you know, to the main, to, to move it to the kind of heritage meant that existed. but it's kind of a, we pull a tentative, a people cannot be treated any other how? i mean, look at bricks and bricks is expanding a we've just read that's they'd be on my because setting joining briggs, you know, let you know american countries applicant countries on asian countries. and it just, it's initial, historical necessity and dynamic. that is seeing more and more of the world, it demanding to be free from the clutches. hey, off america and, and it's less of in the countries lit up before the less than umbrella. it's china and russia and, and mitchell that allows the contentious we welcome that because of the categories continue, if africa to cut ties for us today, 5 as we become a 3rd world country. so this country is extremely leave off. there is also

a little frustrated, but in the absence of it come to a veiling falls, we should see in bricks. now, there was no way in which the state of independence and ex, like, what's the latest we extremely confirms it the, the fee is and the cost of that we've had that america and it's friends on their own. a will go on their homepage and when it will convince the news on our neck, so to speak, and a very interesting and the 10 meg goody position for my member south. i suppose. i mean, it's a pleasure to do. thank you so much for joining us. here i think very much what stick to the effort on the effort and concept, grandma lee has decided to withdrawal un troops from the country is neva. ok? no fast that is supporting the move i'm is invoking others. the respects these actions the government, the working of fossil hales,

this cartridge is decision taken by malice, transitional authorities and congratulates malik for this choice which is in line with the strategic region of the mountain state and the fight against terrorism and for the restoration of peace and security in the socket eating guard just the government and the brother of the people of male in this information of the silver and of the male in state and expression of the will of mountains and formality is to be the sole masters of their destiny. the government of booking a fast so invited the international community to strictly respect the choices made by malley power, west and country is not delay in concluding that russia's to blame germany's infusing loss of something and to us. and the sentiment and the advocate nation saying is true for remaining money for another year, at least, and washington has condemned the decision. the united states regrets, the transition government of malice decision to revoke its consent form the newest month. men newest must draw down,

must be orderly and responsible. prioritizing the safety and security of peacekeepers and mountains. we are not surprised that the marion transitional government and russia will use the forthcoming extension of the un mandate to make political capital out of it. our interest is still in orderly withdrawal to the you and please leave a message and it has been in molly for a decade with that. so i'll still come by the name servers and the national government claims those functions of done little to quote violence and it should therefore leave it comes, it made a rise in anti western sentiment in the region, particularly directed against formal colonial power prompts. the government of molly calls for the withdrawal of the new summit without delay, newsome, it seems to have become part of the problem by fuel and community tensions exacerbated by extremely serious allegations, which are highly detrimental to peace. reconciliation and national cohesion in molly, it weighs certain to a level java. this is find why molly has off for the withdrawal o d u entries

a goal setting to situate this situation. you wouldn't want to stop the fight scene between the uh do you, how do you see i'm a 1000000 so that's what's happening in mama. so for the mean for the populations you want, he's almost a big part of the problem because they never responded. wind is on a type of plans when they get some targeted by you. how did you, when process you never do? it's just after when the problems happen that's you can see us coming and to a point to make a report of probably 2 people with uh, fluids or any kind of for these guys. any kind of seclusion cause any, uh, they commendations or whatever. and that was the predictions would expect to come to you when so as to say, that's a really small, i don't truth as, as the money now i was thinking we can for caesar to mentee. so i the situation of the system free, but this is, do you think it's very, it's not real, it's all to get. i mean it's, they work a lot, they work. we can just do this uh,

this got to, to, to do money force itself. not so the knots with the union forces, the appraisers needs the money and government seem to be assigned for many spots to go. i think they know what they doing because they are, they want to invite them here in the for the budget. so which mean they are ready for the list really by themselves? scandal is brilliant with police searching the headquarters of the powers 2024 olympics organizing committee as part of the investigation to the alleged embezzlement of public funds. and favorites as a are very lucky miles to be joined by on. so you can do with a range of miles. and this was a little bit more about this interesting story of chrome i am and mystery made. so

of this about well, it's interesting. we have a statement there from the international olympic committee. they must be wondering what is going on and who's in charge. because as it turns out, just to begin with the head of that french organizing committee of the sheets of each other. so she resigned just last month, kind of out of the blue and nobody really knows why there was talk of some insight in sparkling, but then it was kind of hushed up. so already there was a bit of a sign of trouble, but these res, that took place on tuesday by the french anti corruption police in paris. took place in 2 different locations. one was on the, in the french olympic committee headquarters, previously the bid committee. and that was an investigation that was launched in 2017. remember that france won the bid in september of 2017, at an i o. c meeting and crew and some other countries that were bidding for the games dropped out. so i was kind of interesting. i'm the 2nd entity that that was

rated was the entity in charge of construction sites at the games. so that investigation was launched in 2022. so just last year. so there's 2 separate issues and investigations here. now the prosecutor said that the investigations relate to quote, illegal conflict of interest, misuse of public funds and favoritism. and apparently the french at the corruption agency was chipped off. now they take public tips so anybody can take them off, could be a competitor. it could be somebody who actually knew something, who knows, but they tipped off the financial prosecutor's office about some of some deals, allegedly involving some consultancy contracts. so that's what we're hearing in the front of process. now, just to give you a little bit of context here, french world of sports has kind of been embroiled in quite a few scandals. recently, the french rugby federation president and former secretary of state for sports

under former friends president nicholas south kazi devin alpha, who was the 80. those name is what age? no. the 80 no. that no, that was another scandal. i was not involved. the sexual harassment so okay. yeah, 80 year old figure involved in french football. i had to also step down recently, but now we're talking about 7 now that i felt who was the figure of vice president and world rugby and also um a, the french rugby federation president, he was convicted of corruption and influence peddling. last december, he resigned in january from his presidency, and that was related to a sponsorship contracts for the national teams of jersey that was awarded to a pallet is worth a few 1000000 euros. so, um, and just to give you a more context with respect to the french landscape in general, better now i felt was self who use the secretary of state for sports stuff was he

himself, is also now involved in a corruption scandal that the french passengers are investigating involving dodgy campaign, financing, and potential misuse of public funds in libya. and we all know what happened in libya led by the french suckers. these prime minister pulse with known was also convicted of misusing public funds for, from hiring his own wife as his assistant. maybe all these folks can square off in a brand new events at the olympics. maybe corruption of that, of some kinds of french actually got a chance to recommend some new events. and they chose breakdown thing, but hey, maybe they should reconsider and, and maybe choose a corruption as a, as an olympic event because it looks like they are well underway. the. ready issue is the olympics themselves have been kind of under fire by the french themselves because there's there, let's just say there's been some turbulence already. there's a lot of controversy over the fact that the french are well ahead of the you and introducing artificial intelligence driven video surveillance. so big brother is

also going to be attending these games. he might be one of the few attending the games because the ticket prices are just so astronomical. now the french people were sold, citizens of france were sold on the idea of the games and supporting the games. partly by virtue of the fact that the government promised that there would be cheap tickets for french people. in other words, you know, for the price of a meal out, you can attend only big event. well, nobody's really seen much evidence of those tickets. the organizers say, well, they weren't really quickly, you wouldn't have noticed because there weren't too many of them. so people kind of get cheated. and so, i mean, you're saying the french people can yet couldn't go cheap, but everybody else? well, he level, well, no, i mean, no, everybody's paying more than the price. so yeah, so yeah, but there's also another kind of scandal bring because you know, that there's been a lot of protests and friends recently and unrest involving pension schemes and rolling back pension benefits and making people retire early or etc. well, a lot of volunteers are now starting kind of

a grassroots campaign to let's all volunteer for the olympics and at the last minute drop out. those are french volunteers and they're, they're doing that to try to sabotage the olympics. and there's also a kind of a controversy around the security the olympics we saw when france hosted the big football match last year that it was just an absolute disaster. um, we had people climbing the front fence, locals climbing the fence at the same one of the same values at the olympics is going to be easy for for football. and at the time francis already said, oh, so it was crazy. british bands came over here and that's fair from all the time we realized after investigation. that wasn't the case. so there's also during, during co vid, when everyone was on lock down, french authorities organizers developing came up with this idea that, well, instead of having everyone in close stadium close together or while we just have an open air opening ceremony, which of course now that cove is in the rear view mirror, create some security trust. perfect. yeah. right. so it's,

i guess shaping up to be a bit of a challenge. right. never, boring. data needs to be very interesting and they i'm michael and how did he, michael? i'm over. yeah. see what's going on to the he'll come out and make us they money is a no, it's a little clean. i wanted to, you know, i think he said that he wanted something along the lines of the, you know, a fair and clean limb. pick something out, and he didn't. foss has never seen before. well, i guess, depending on who you ask, this particular act of having the anti corruption police go in like gang busters basically read to top olympic french entities. it's either going to give people the impression that, well, look, we're really serious about having to clean games, or it's going to have people say already, there are problems. yeah. and then made so, mazda and so you contribute to it was a pleasure talking to you. thank you so much. thank you for joining us today. well, that wraps up this busy and he is i'll be sure to check out and i'll see you dot com for lots of interesting. so it will be back, of course,

in just over 30 minutes with more international is open to and then the the hello welcome to worlds apart from the coalition of the willing to launch wars and

far away lands to the call, listen of the willing to accept that as the rule of contemporary world, the order. my guest today argues that thing neutral is a far more ethical and peace friend, the physician then rushing in or supplying arms. how come? well to discuss it. i'm now enjoying by john gong, professor and vice president for research and strategic studies at the university of international business and economics and china form experts is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. be happy here. now you've heard my introduction and i actually borrowed the, you know, this a nice play of words from your own article in which you called for a coalition of the, on the willing and alliance of nations saying out of the ukrainian conflict, which i think increasingly looks like a, an existential struggle between the rush on one side and the west on the other side . so why is being neutral and ethical and moral positions?

aren't you supposed to choose between the forces of good and the forces available? well, 1st thing i want to say is that today stage oliver was not just saying not for, for example, china has to be under tremendous political pressure to do something on this side on that side, on it. and i think the countries that represent that can, the new toner camp is actually quite large. i mean, that's the lowest majority. and typically the majority is pretty silent on this. and i think it's fall time to these countries to come up with a joints saying the same voice that you know, we are, we want to stay all of this war. but a same time. it won't be too long to play an active role in terms of meeting a peaceful solution here. so i think that's what i'm coming from. i think this idea is really being, you know, receive i well, for example, i can quote a statement from the present in president. so from visit china recently he propose this low, interesting idea that the, a group of countries should, you know,

join together tu, tu, tu? tu, tu cummings to step being and, and media. also showing that we have a number of initiatives. i mean, we are recording this interview on the eve of a major visit by several african has of state who also have some ideas on how these concepts would be mediated. i believe that today they're actually in care of so they are trying to reach out to the 2 sides. but i think it's even bigger than the ukranian coughing because it's many, many countries big and small. suggesting that own rules of the game and ultimately saying no, not only to the conflict but also to the current rules based daughter don't. yeah. so we actually push the again back to questionable why being a neutral position is actually not a ma. am i have you right as you for that? i think, you know, this has historical proceedings for example, and i put in my article, i quoted, the buddhist experience doing the uh, you know,

bulk of the 19th century when the united kingdom stay pretty much out of the continental and the walls and battles in europe on nevertheless, the country has done very well is to live in its global network of trade and in the business. and this was a period of time the historians called the splendor isolation like it was a very, very long time. it was a long time ago and i think that the um, the today in the 21st century we need to be, you know, in still a little bit of the, of the more reason arguments this into something very, very interesting because you also mentioned moral issues in, in your articles, and i think one of the things that happened over the last couple of tickets is the united states and the west. more generally essentially hijacked all morality for themselves. i wonder if what we are witnessing right now, you know, brazil, a china african countries coming up with that own solutions to the conflict in europe is essentially saying hold on. we also have

a stake and defining what's more on what's more white. i mean, the, the more why don't you argument it was more as a mock and what it was hijacked to mean that, you know, without supporting ukraine, it's a more, i don't, i don't buy this housing model. i think, you know, we need to be on the saddle piece for, for the 1st part of it and you know, with the car once they only going on your clay, i think, you know, it's a smoke idea to keep shipping. uh, i'm going to the battlefield. so i think the right thing to do is to advocate for a choose. so, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, this is what i'm come from. but in addition to this also, i think even though i view it of imposing sanctions and i'm not even sure on the rest of the world, right. i'm, so i'm a bash are they coming out to say that not imposing sanctions? doesn't mean that you're not on the side of lower zone. i think, you know, sanctions are like weapons of mass destruction. it was demonstrated a pause that it does kill people chose more people on a battlefield is actually on. and in this case, i think potentially, you know,

the casual is maybe more than just people english, showing you a crate. might be people in north africa in the middle east was suffering from starvation for example. so anyway, i think, you know, i'm, i'm not actually to say that the morrison is an idea that it's not just a subject to the definition by the west. yeah, absolutely. well, and when we say more live, just because of this isn't a big and it sounds like an ideology, but we are all entitled to our own more a lot on a more ality. and, you know, nobody says that it's only like a group of a print on their wife, countries that knows what's, what's best for the rest of us to, to do. we know back to the question about the, the logical order you're talking about the ru space, or, you know, the where she likes to talk about the ru space or not, but a real question is worse, and it was life and, and whether there up how, why the west, etc. and also whether this, most of you apply consistently on,

you know, clearly i think one of the reasons that the, the global sales, i'm not very happy was the, this a new space story is that these tools haven't being applied sort of thing or in the uniform fashion and you know, the clearing size off, i talk with a double stand this for example. um, you know, you compare what's going on you claim versus what's going on in i used to being a rocking of cash that right. um, you know, uh, you know, totally double standards you might have, you know, can i bring here to the issue of china? is it a trial? it's a because the americans are pretty open about the fact that in the attempt to preserve they can germany at 1st they, they need to do away with russia to undermine rush or perhaps to, you know, split it into force. and then they're also very public, a like look at the documents there, say that after russia question is done, they will be dealing with the so called china's challenge. how can china been

neutral to, to something like that? yeah, well i mean, a couple of people in washington as well as in brussels, have come out to say that the, you know, america's essential chad in joy. we have a flat is actually not rushed to essentially from china, not your, your entire existence is a challenge to them. this is how they defined it. well, this is the how they define it. i mean, the china is a problem because one of the 2 things, one is going too fast. second us going to big. so that's in itself becomes a challenge to them. i mean, that's the thinking um but, but, but i think um, you know, the issue is about china as neutrality and what, what is this, you know, new toner, what does it mean? right? i think i'm on the one side, you know, we understand the, the complex reasons of leading up to this conflict to crank. and that i am trying to also say that very clearly that we should respect the sovereignty and, and territorial integrity. and in addition to this, you know, china is position,

is that the, you know, that should be a choose. i think china's advocacy for choose on. this is rid of january. i think it's not in china's interest. most people are saying that, well, you know, china's benefit from this was the phone, just ongoing warning crate. that's not true. i don't think that's true. i think china does benefit from a ceasefire, at least so. so, you know, the advocacy full of policies probably is where the january might be going back to the issue of china's motivation or trying to as an interest. there is a rough consensus here in russia that's the washington chose to make the ukraine crisis and means a tools over its uh, you know, geo political struggle for dissolving germany. if that's strategy and doesn't succeed, don't you're seeing that the americans will have to come up with something new and perhaps controlling china more directly? yeah, well, i mean, there's a lot of voices in washington these days, you know, talking about a political solution of ukraine. so that you can, you know,

get more resources into the, in the pacific and i read it, i'm talking about china, from china's perspective as sort of saying then i think that the, we are, the, the, the chinese side is dedicated to a, you know, trying to get a peaceful solution in your clay as well as, you know, not maintaining good relationship with the west as well with you to be in union with united states. but unfortunately, you know, united states has of this mentality of, uh you know, it is it. so it is just as john is a big challenge, wants to have a competition. strategic competition was trying, but he's, it's really about the competition. i mean, the americans liked to mention this uh, 3 see um, right. all is the competition confrontation of cooperation cooperation. uh which one which senior thing is the most visible for the time being. um, i think that would be tabulated competition as well. i mean the competition north confrontation, co quotes, competition um confrontation. um i think controls that confrontation is competition

in proxy conference, which i think this sometimes it's even, you know, very blue of boundaries between confrontation and competition from china side. if we try to publish views, this was confrontation, but i think it will be my view. consultation really is about one issue about i want, you know, that's just one area that clearly of aging conference washing done. this is the concern. it's kind of score interest as there's no way we come back off. so, you know, that's more of a confrontational reset the professor long ago. we have to look at the core motivation of advert. serious, i mean by that, this is something that the china is the worst strategist did the throughout the centuries. do you think the americans troy care or primarily about taiwan and it's freedom, whatever. it's a governance or the core issue here is china and it's rise. a legitimate trials and are forced to me is how one, you know, it is a small items unless thousands miles away.