okay, even though the border and i was getting them sort filled with people from all over the world, not just from south central america. we have all these folks down here in south florida and on a none of these people believe it. and all of these folks are coming through cleaning, assign him how about and kind of asylum we, we, we know people anecdotally, we've seen people who but we've come here from venezuela escaping their, their assailants. people who have either kidnapped them or, or their families or, or in 11 case, right them, they walk into an elevator and who are here in, in south florida who walks in, their a silent and do you find out how do you say like, get your will to do some bogus claims that we just simply don't have the resources . and i think that's a very good point. that is, that you have to make there, but i'm gonna stick with you on this gabriel, because shouldn't anything kind of 42 have been made actually permit? because considering it was all of the other diseases and viruses which are not immunized against. and many of these countries, these migrants are coming from. and this was a title put into place to predict would to prevent future spread disease. you know,

and i'll tell you why, because i think it, i think it was a bad it, this is a failure of the federal government, dividing them restriction to solve a serious issue. toggle 42 was always going to pay down to expire at some point or another whether you could count that down the road another 6 months. we need to fix this issue. yes, since a few minutes already an issue? yes, it's an economic issue for, for of people make that case with the problem. the problem lies with the federal government and no matter what happens with it was title 42. now for down the road this, this is going to pop up. and so the people up in dc, you need to get their stuff together. and finally, fix this big, big issue and have a professor probably this is an excellent point. this is one of the few issues that i think it is a truly is by part of. so i'm because both parties deserve a lot of the blame because neither one of them have wanted to fix the issue when they've been in power. this was a title that started off under president trump. so at this stage, you know, it, could you look at what happened or need present treatment? is there any difference between the policy under president trump,

our president biden, or is it the exact same? and they're just pointing fingers at each other. yeah, i mean, i think they're equally bad if anything, the policy under body moves worse because under title for them to which i want to point out has nothing whatsoever to do is public because there was no career cdc scientist that ever publicly expressed support for that it was roundly dismissed by public health exodus experts as actually being a public health manager. it was, it was put in place by the white supremacy of steven miller, the a, to the truck so that at least where people were, were rapidly deported or just expelled from the united states. they didn't have a side of penalties following that. now with the returns of title 8, a people who attempt to were unable to use the quote unquote lawful pathways that are actually impossible for many, many asylum seekers. and they try to enter the united states, they'll actually be criminalized and prevented from seeking asylum for another 5

years. so it's more harmful than title 42 was in addition to the other ways that by the other mechanisms that binding has that to prevent people from exercising their international right to um, suffolk asylum. and i want to add that i actually agree with your other guests that that'd be asylum system is under funded, and it and it the we need to find out better. we need for people to be able to have access to assignment cards and not have the back lots of years that we have now. well, and that's why i want to talk about funding too, because yes, obviously there's a lot of money being invested by the individual states and the federal government to this. so when you talk about finding, you know, the 8, i think that when you look at gabriel, you 1st started say there's a lot of resources to handle. so where does this funding go? is the funding suppose to go to those that are processing, whether you're talking about the courts or the law enforcement that's on the border, or are you talking about the funding needs to go to taking care of them? and i think this could be a major debate on this issue for both sides. the part of gabrielle where does the

money more money need to go in? the definitely need to to be able to find the border patrol. border patrol is stretched out way too thin as it is already away. so many people coming in or through the southern border. and, you know, part of it needs to be a being able to process these people in their countries of lords, right? it's, it's not, it's also unfair to say, because of your proxy, geographical proximity, united states, you're going to be able to come in when possibly some, some young man or, or woman in india with a viable claim. who would be a great person to, to integrate into united states is, you know, 2 or 3000 miles away. you're going to have to wait because these people are going to jump in the lot. and, and part of that is gonna have to be funding these processes where you can probably, or you can process these folks or assign them claims and otherwise in the original countries wars. but that does have to include components for the border patrol fuels that the southern border is no longer pores. and that people can't just come

over here through mex, core central america. and just keep the line of not by coming into texas, nevada, arizona, etc. fessler pine and your thoughts? do you agree with him as well as a 3rd to say that people could barely be processed in their countries of origin? if in fact they have a valid asylum claim, that means that they are facing uh, you know, a real danger to their life. and if that's the case, then having to wait in the country of origin puts them at tremendous risk of losing their life. in my case, i work as an asylum, as a country conditions expert for people from ponderous in, you know, in, in asylum courts. here in the united states, and i, my case is generally go, well, but there are so many examples of people who have been deported because they haven't had, you know, they haven't had fair representation as they've been deported and quite quickly after that killed and, and that's the thing the conditions people are reading are very dangerous if they

didn't have a valid asylum, can't claim and having the processing center with work. but for those people who do have valid design and play, and it's because they're gonna get killed and they can't, they can't ask for asylum in their own country. okay, so i have to ask you the question. if there is a mass amounts, like you said, guatemala hunters were saying from restaurant from these countries where the world organizations that we, we do have these things called the united nations and other world health world organizations. why are they looking at the government of the country that's allowing this that's pushing these sorts of policies that are making their people say, where is the account ability on those countries instead of putting the, all of the work and all of the pressure and all the bottling we say the word burden on countries like the united states and other surrounding to take these immigrants . yeah, um, i would go back to my earlier point, which is, but it's not those countries that are causing this. it is united states foreign policy, the united states for our policy is, is creating conditions in countries around the world. and i work specifically in

latin america, so i could speak to many of those countries. but the wars that we have funded, the cruise that we have funded speak economic warfare that we're finding through sanctions. this is what is preventing countries from acting in ways that are software in ways that are best for their own people. and it is what is expelling people from those countries. if we really wanted to, you know, to do the right thing. we would stop intervening in other countries solver in affairs. and they would stop spending billions of dollars on wars and you know, and, and militarization of other countries that would give us more. it would stem the flow tremendously of asylum seekers. and it would give us more than enough money to pay for. as you mean border system, not to mention paper, health care and education and things like that. what we desperately need in this country for us, the primary and lighting hold on panel, stay right there. i want to come right back to you after the break, because after the break,

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you are watching at $360.00 view and i'm a scouting now hughes. we're discussing the end of the united states, public health immigration policy called pedal, $42.00 and migration across the globe. so let's welcome back professor adrian pine, a visiting professor and department of anthropology and social change of the california institute of integral studies. and gabriel gunn is a acumen immigrant and executive director for the ready for ron political action committee. thank you both for joining me on this. i'm going to start with you professor pine on this. what are you? i know you were with latin america, but are you concerned about the large amount of non hispanic citizens who are crossing the southern border? and um, am i concerned about it? i, you know, i'm, i'm concerned for their safety and concern that their human rights are respected.

i'm concerned about the, the stabilisation that people have experienced in places all around the world. and much of which again, has to do with us for a policy. not all of that. of course, i mean, you can look at entities that are us allies like nato, that are creating tremendous how they're going. it's spelling people from their homes unconcerned, but people are not able to exercise their human rights to stay in their communities of origin to stay with their families. and that's something that people are being denied. so yes is, it's a concern for me. um, and i think we need to make sure that, that we are respecting international refugee law and in respecting their human rights and ensuring that they are not getting greater danger than they have already been in. so traveling such tremendous amount of tremendous distance to try to seek refuge, gabrielle though, we're talking about people that are flying to mexico city from india. so our own

producer software and either find from other countries, they obviously have the money. why are they? why are they seeing folks not trying to do it legally? do you feel like because it's so much easier to come into this other more intuitively, to get into it legally. it takes a lot of time, you know, sometimes to get an appointment and with the united states. obviously you want to or depending on where you live, to take up to 3 or 4 years just just to get seen by an immigration official, it's much easier with, with a forest more just come geographically, fly to mexico, the mexicans aren't doing anything because we, we we no longer have state of the state of mexico policy. we have no, we're, we're not just putting a lot of pressure on the mexican government. so they're not doing a whole lot to stop anything. they come up through the water and all of them get in, they get paid the payoff, these coyotes who are quite frankly, a do horrendous thing. so a lot of these poor people and, and promising on things that are just simply not true. if you're just going to walk in here and everything is going to be rosy. so i think that's unfortunately a situation that we find ourselves and then there's no change of seemingly insight

. so gabrielle, i have to ask you at your own florida gover. rhonda sands as well as governor abbot . i think i'll feel about them sitting migrates into the back yards of the democrats, who they perceive are the reason for this problem and the policy that they're putting in place. it was a game of chicken for years. the democrats have been saying that republican, a southern states and need to open up their borders and, and take care of these immigrants. well, fair enough, where it's, it's a, it's a country of 50 states. and so therefore, because of our proximity to the border, shouldn't mean that the people up north should have to bear some of this burden. and the 2nd that they started to send in regards to some of these non border states up north, they immediately started school. we have at eric adams and in new york talking about now getting rid of the sanctuary city status, at least on a, on a, on a, on a temporary basis. and in new york city and other places doing the same. i think it's a little bit of a box if, if, if,

if the southern states are being overwhelmed and you think that it's a in humane not to allow everyone in, well, then you should open up your own doors and welcome these folks in professor pine. i mean, is this fair for those southern stay, especially the local budgets to handle, all of the migrants are coming across the border illegally. and what is your response? when you said these buses were bus to 2 places like the hamptons, which within 24 hours, the national guard was activated and they cleared them out. you see eric adams saying, tell, we might not be a sanctuary city anymore. how do you feel when these more northern democrats, their response, and how they're handling the migrant crisis in their own backyard is, well, i live in washington dc where, you know, we've been getting huge numbers of buses coming up to here and people been working very hard to ensure that these people are welcomed and that they're getting, you know, they're, they're receiving the sites for as we are essentially are city um air guns is no friends to my friends. as most democrats are no friends to my parents. let's be

clear about that. however, he got new york under kathy hoko recently made a really important point which is that there need to be better, better federal and funding and solutions for um, for this sort of z. a phobic, fostering of how can, who can like out out via phobia who the states are really going to suffer. the most of these anti migrant policies are florida and texas. they're already using millions of dollars are beginning to experience dramatic workers shortages. this is really a sort of competition for who can be the most beautiful. they can, nationalistic, and what we need is, is indeed a federal solution. so that there's not, you know, too much of a burden for the, the, the states that are off the border. um and you know, solutions like the ones that adams and who were calling for, which is expediting a work permit process. it's tremendously difficult for people who are seeking

asylum, who are fleeing or risk situations to establish themselves and you know and be safe and to, you know, how sort of the lifestyle that they would like to have and avoid crime. avoid being victims of crime. and so whatever we can do at the federal level to facilitate that, i think that's what we need to do. so professor, since we're considering you've talked to all the for an a that are currently be given either or to other countries. why do you think there's not more of a call to have that money remain at home to take care of this crisis? and what's your answer? when you look at there, we have a major homeless problem here in the united states. we have is a major challenge to a paying for education wherever challenges to our health care system. we don't have money right now currently in the united states, but it's even pay for the citizens that we have homeless veterans we're, we're actually kicked out of hotels. what do you say to those that say we don't even have enough money to take care of american citizens right now, or sending billions overseas to other countries?

why didn't the more of a call to take care of americans 1st, then take care of other countries as i mean, she might be having american speaking asylum and other countries soon if we keep this up. yeah, i mean, i think actually we need to look at the global budget. we need to look at the global federal budget. we're spending billions and billions of dollars on a proxy or with russia. it is already killed over a $100000.00 ukrainians and displaced millions more. we don't need to be spending that money, but on unaware that could be any fees fully through negotiation with regard to for an a. i'm actually in agreement that a lot, a lot of it should be caught specifically specifically the huge for portion of it that is possibly called a. it is actually going towards the militarization of foreign countries and fix huge corporate extracted projects that are displacing people from their homes and communities and preventing other countries to exercise their right to star energy. this would solve the migration prices, and it would give us billions of dollars back that we would then be able to spend

on taking care of our needs as a nation. well, i want to thank you and gabrielle yana is an adrian pine for your discussion. here today, this is been screwed out. here's with your 360 view of the news you can use. thanks for watching the news. no problem. did you say the week monday or his sister was upstairs or so you know book or used to work with the way the emails? ssl set up with us for general. but some of the things of the tools and most of at least

the windows of both, i believe unique. that's usually the media games. why? why would you be there? see it but not least going to be a split seattle frontage. the sanctions are like weapons of mass destruction. it was demonstrating a pause that it does queue. people chose more people on the battlefields actually. and in this case, i think potentially, you know, the casual is maybe more than just people in english, showing you a crate. maybe people in north africa in the middle east was suffering from

starvation. the, the, the, the headlines on all change. rational, ukrainian forces are planning to strike. russia's non conflicts organs with western made storm, a shadow. ms. ailes and a high, a mas rockets. according to the russian defense ministry that says such a move would vastly escalate. ne toes involves much in youth, right? but a key to pass. so praise as molly for the bonding the you any remove its troops from the country of western states are apparently pending the blame for molly's decision on most of the 4 people that killed another full wounded in a shooting outside of it is rarely supplemented in the west bank, it isn't made an escalation intentions and reset the

cutting out the transport all the main strew narratives. this time for your news on the filter or not the international and walk you have continues to attack various russian border territories. rushers, defense minister as warning of a massive escalation, use as a tax continued to be repelled. however, cautions that ukraine is finding an enormous strike on crimea and other areas using advanced western web. a really serious go for those are you currently in forces continue to attempt to carry out defenses in the south. the next step of rosure and, and as regions in doing started, the care of regime use is a large number of western weapons. and in the unit is personnel with trade by nature specialists. thank you and the, for the creating of forces. everyone is 263 insects against russian positions. thanks to the company and then sell for his actions of all units. all of them were repulsed and the enemy did not reach his target. certainly, university prussian defense ministers, 3rd day chicago has warrant, i guess,

or craney and military leadership planning to use western weapons to attack certain parts of russia that are not in the active zone of facilities including crimea. now they're planning to do this by using high mars rockets as well as song shadoan air launch cruise missiles that are delivered by the united states and united kingdom, respectively, only accelerating nato's involvement into this conflicts. now, according to the defense minister, an operation to strike a probably me of, for instance, will result in immediate strikes against the decision making centers in ukraine promotion government according to the information that come on to the ukranian forces is planning to launch strikes on the territory the russian federation including crime it with high malls and storm shadow missiles. the use of these missiles outside the area of the special ministry operation when indicate the full flashed involvement of the us and u. k. and the conflict and with the amount of media strikes on the decision making scientist on the territory of ukraine, ukrainian attacks on the done. yes,

queen sion has been a successfully repulsed by a russian military. but this title of that ukraine is still at 10 continues to carry out it's offensive in that same region using not only western weapons. 8 also, a military that was trained by nato now. this side, the very long awaited ukrainian counter offensive that started earlier this month. it really seems like ukraine has failed to achieve any significant advances on the ground. the un has reported extensive damage to energy infrastructure across the ukraine, including an active combat zones. it also disclose the number of civilian casualties since the conflict there ruptured last year, just over 24000 people. but you and had conflicting reports about where those civilian casualties were. inc, code of the human development programs said the number was only a new crazy and government controlled areas. whereas another statement by the office of the un human rights commission is that it was both ukrainian and russian

areas. and i discussed it with the independent journalist as sonya of under end users. that western countries need to account for the thousands of casualties inflicted by ukrainian forces in the don't bass, but going back to 2014, they then say officially, everything it is in the ukraine because they their figures. another part of the board is saying that this is from the 1st of january 2022. so before the start of the military ration, so they are not accurate, they say, and they do not take into account anything that is 45. they say by the russian, by russia, they don't even recognize that it was, it was actually the single in the, in a little while since 2014 up to the cool, cool data. ignore the whole thing already for now, 9 years. and they don't, maybe they happened to is we don't know that of course, but they never mention it never because according to them it's, you create

a new credit is ukraine and like try me and also it's all ukraine. so they should start thinking about people in the little box that you know, those casualties have been there. this is what they should do, but we know the west. they won't, they will never do it by shifting goes to africa. now where molly is looking to kick un troops out of the country, it's ne, but, but you know, fast, always supporting the move and calling on other nations to show respect of the government. the working of fossil, hales discourages decision taken by malice, transitional authorities, and congratulate smell it for this choice, which is in line with the strategic region of the mountain state and the fight against terrorism. and for the restoration of peace and security in the socket encourages the government and the brother of the people of male in this information of the silver and the male in state and expression of the will of mountains and formality is to be the soul masters of their destiny. the government of booking

a fossil invites the international community district. the respect the choices made by malley. however, southern the western countries are pending. the blame for molly's decision on most of germany says russia has been stoking and c western sentiment of the african nation. now saying that the german troops will remain in monte, for at least another year, and washington has well, naturally come out to condemn molly's decision to get rid of the un troops. the united states regrets the transition government of miles as decision to revoke it's constant for me. newest, my newest must draw down, must be orderly and responsible. prioritizing the safety and security of peacekeepers and mountains. we are not surprised that the mountie and transitional government in russia will use the forthcoming extension of the un mandate to make political capital out of it. our interest is still in orderly withdrawal. so the un peacekeeping mission has beaten body for at least a decade. old job was supposed to be combating terrorism. but the national

government is fed up with foreign troops. officials say, have done little to pile the violence and should baffle just go. does come a bit, escalating n c. west them sent him into the region directed in particular, i guess the former colonial power from the government of molly calls for the withdrawal of a new summit without delay. newsome, it seems to have become part of the problem by fuel and community tensions exacerbated by extremely serious allegations, which are highly detrimental to peace, reconciliation and national cohesion. and molly, so i always buy to a local journalist to explain why molly considers the un troops to actually be a part of the problem concerning the situation situation. un lot of stop the fight scene between the uh, do you, how do you see him a 1000000. so that's what's happening in molly. so for the need for the populations you want, he's almost a big part of the problem because they never responded. wind is on a type of plans when they get some targeted by you. how do you improve this image

or it's just after when the problems happen that's you can see us coming in to a point to make a report of probably 2 people with uh, uh, fluids or any kind of for these guys. any kind of seclusion? was any of the home additions or whatever, and that was the predictions with respect to from the you when so say that's a really small i the i don't to size as the money. now i was thinking we could foresee that the main thing is i the situation of jesus, i'm free, but this is, do you think it's very, it's not real. it's all to it's, i mean it's, they weren't a lot. they weren't. we can just give this a discovery to, to do money for it. so not so the not for the human forces, the appraisals leasing money and government seem to be assigned for many months ago . i think they know what they doing because they, i didn't want to invite them, use it in the budget so which maybe i recently received by himself.

but you, you have snob to the arab league over it's re admission to vote on syria. one member of the league is described the use cancellation of an upcoming meeting with its officials as quote, request couple. it is a necessary re admission of syria was a decision taken unanimously by all the members of arab league. the legal decisions have to be appreciated by the european union, but cancelling its meeting with the arab league, which had not been held for 4 years. was a regrettable. this is the arab league. i lifted the suspension of syria last month following more than a decade of tensions between the wall. it's on nation that is neighbors. a syrian president bush, all us side, attended a reason arabic meeting and saudi arabia, that he described 1000 historical opportunity for peace in the region for some powers. however, including the you have stood firm against negotiating with the mass coast as they have long supported in sojourn groups, fighting against loss side. the

e. u has however, met with non governmental members of syria and civilian society groups to discuss the future of the nation. now serious for ministry size, the e u is currently opposing the countries fundamental interests. syria which has withstood a bloody campaign of terrorism is determined to cooperate with error brethren and allied states across the world to consolidate its victories. an offset, the dire upshot of economic sanctions against it. i was discussing the story with the to alice, a side side back to the size of the you cancel this upcoming meeting with the arab league in order to avoid, well, a diplomatic embarrassment. this is the flow method. if you imagine that leasing has taken place, you would get 27. you find the best us sitting with a 20 to a point in the list including the center for that's what i think investments.