more of a korean armistice like a korea or is israel post on peace process that goes on forever and it's never resolved. and you just cheap. but they'll try to get a peacekeeping forces in the west, in ukraine, just to keep, make sure that the process goes well, you know, and they'll be giving themselves the, the check, the can down the road, all the final issues and cheapo a low level conflict going well, they never recognize open gym, hear me. you're absolutely right. i can see all of the scenario is the korean one. no, because the u. s. north korea south created china agreed to that. okay. the russians are never going to agree with anything that is suggested by at a tony blinking or victoria whooping the never going. they were open. we live to for 8 years about the men's process. the russians feel burn bite and they're not going to abide by anything. is that that's why, you know, they want to keep this going because they know that they have no unilateral

decision making process. go ahead, dimitri, before we go to the break. yeah, i totally agree that i, i think that the government has made a lot of noises about wanting to freeze the conflict to kicks can down the road and potentially rebuild the ukrainian military. but i totally agree with you peter, that, that, that is not an option. that is not going to happen. what i mean, that that means that russia would be a party to that it's not going to agree. it's simply not going to good. i don't know these natural people, they're talking inside of a small. i mean, they may more. yeah. have you thought about what, how the russians might react to this? but don't do that. i'm sorry to interrupt dmitri, go ahead. of what happened, however, it did go back to the point that was just made. what might transpire after it becomes apparent to the boston administration, the depressions will have nothing to do with this. frozen brunswick scenario is a low level tile, a band style insurgency, which wouldn't cost the us government much, which would be in an enormous irritation and distraction for the russian federation

for potentially a very long period of time. but even there are uh, you know, as kevin mentioned, you still have to deal with the reality that europe is being significantly damaged by the economic warfare being waged by the russia. even the i m f. you know, his acknowledge that in the 2 years ahead. russia will outgrow the economies of germany and britain. that's how severe the problem has become. and it's only going to get worse as we had into winter with the lack of access to relatively inexpensive russian gas. and so the political appetite within europe, which is a key player, and all of this is going to be very, very limited, even for a low level, long term, tell a band style insurgency. so i think the united states government is running out of options real fast. well, so many people aren't, you know, what can they go to breaking this? i can hear, but i mean, logically i have to agree with you. but then again, look at the behavior of the europeans for the last 15 months, which, you know, defies logic and common sense to me. what would make that change? we have 40 seconds before we go to the break,

go ahead. political unrest. okay. the people from europe, me right to up at some point, i mean, we've already seen a tremendous amount of political instability in france. i think it's only going to get worse. i agree that the, the incumbent governments of europe have shown themselves incredibly, serv, while visa view, the us government effectively have done whatever the us government is wanted. but the, the, the public's appetite or tolerance for this insanity is rapidly waning. and eventually there will be so much instability on the ground that they will be forced either out of office or force to change their policies. i think right? when that lock on that box hold, that thought we're going to go to a hard break can after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the next forever war. stay with our to the the,

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the, the welcome x across top were all things are considered. i'm people about your mind. you were discussing the next forever war. the okay, let's go back to kevin in hamilton. this conflict has just has been much about propaganda and controlling the narrative as it is been about military hostilities coming. i mean, it's very interesting the way western media is that describes the conflict. it's called, called the ukranian, russia war, the russian, the russia, ukraine, war on all these kinds of things. but really what it is, i mean, this time, last year the ukranian army had been destroyed and it's been slowly but surely

reposition and with material money, ammunition, etc. by nato. so this is a nato, russia conflict. okay. we should say that in repeated inputs and correct people with they don't say it because that's what it is you haven't, this is what, what i think it's very, very dangerous. but also, i personally think is an opportunity because nato is putting it's a reputation on the line and it's losing okay. now in less, one party wants to go to the ultimate level of escalation, which god forbid we ever get there. nato is dealt itself a pretty poor pant kevin? i agree. i think nato is an over its head. i think this is something, not a number of the speakers of already mentioned or, or certainly entered out today. i wanted to pick up on your, your point of votes uh, mainstream media coverage in the west. and i think this is one of the very serious challenges that we face um, from the western side,

to try to bring some sanity into our foreign policy to try and bring an end to conflicts like this is that the information we receive is so skewed. and you know, you have decades of intense versus olivia and in north america, this has been cultivated through, you know, the hollywood machinery, mainstream media, you know, government so, so that's a background. and then you also have reporting that simply not accurate. and so one of the challenges we really face here is getting out accurate information about the causes of the more about how the more has actually been on folding and about some real possibilities for peace. and so i think that this is um, a challenge that we really have to get. i get better at here because to demetrius going about from the rule that the public can play in, hopefully not having this conflict extended definitely the public has to put pressure on or elected officials. this will happen, i think, more organically in europe because of the economics prices they're facing. but we need to see this in north america as well. we need to see north american citizen,

citizens and canada, united states standing up and letting their governments know that this cannot continue. and so this is, this is a real project that we have to undertake here in the west. like i said, injecting some sanity into our foreign policy, it's only going to be the people that will do that. i think, well, i'm very if i make it into ject, or i'm sorry, what right at one which i think it is very important in this context. at least if you're living in north america, and that is despite the extraordinarily skewed media coverage and the enthusiasm amongst the mainstream media for this or a call that came out in february, which was quite surprising to the, the national post which commissioned it founded only 32 percent of canadians supported continuing to arm ukraine. imagine what that number would be if people were getting the facts. so even here in canada, which has not suffered nearly as much economically as europe has as a result of this, this crazy sanctions for a you'd see that less than a 3rd of canadian support continuing to arm ukraine in

a very pro ukraine media environment. yeah, exactly. and that's very interesting to me too because you have a very, very powerful ukrainian diaspora in canada. and i find that is a, let me pull in jim here, jim, i mean, kind of echoing with dimitry and, and kevin and said, this is an elite more, this is an elite narrative. okay. and, and it's, and because so much of the media is controlled. there's so much censorship right now where you guys, you're aware archie was thrown off of youtube and i'll, i'll other barriers are put in front of us here. and even after all this controlled media and all the filters and all that, it's amazing. the number of people that are in the beginning to change their mind to your thoughts, jim, of this people just seems to get through this. another narrative does get through. you know, the reader was your ship of these main street stations is terrible. the millions, millions more people watching joe rogan and watching anything on the, on the main stream media. and, you know,

it is defined that's happening now between elite media culture and popular culture . that's why they're so intent on the sensor in the internet. because the stories do get through the stories about russia and ukraine, the stories about israel and palestine that they don't want to talk, told are being told and people do to see them. so what you have is this bizarre and dangerous divide between what people are feeling and what the main stream media is them is showing and demonstrating. don't forget only 2729 percent of the public is either a democrat or republican that most people are independent. but the media is all divided up among the blue and blue and red tribalism. and that's the narrative. they get it, but people are, are going away from that. and you know, i'm going to back to point that you said about that, cuz what i was describing control was, i think the video cards think they can do, but i agree with you. i don't think they're gonna do it. they don't believe that they control everything and they can turn the world on and turn it off when they want. but there's another player here. it's not going to play the game anymore,

and that's russia, and that's what makes it so dangerous, unpredictable. do you have this split between what the, what this delusional idea that they get about themselves from their own narratives or reflect the background and the media about this is what we can do. and this is what the real story is. and everybody else in the world is a no, that's not the real story, but that's not what you can do. so that's the problem. it's, it's so interesting is we have so many different people from different countries on this program. and they all echo the same thing and said, you know, this narrative coming out of the, just not since it logical doesn't make any sense here. but kevin, want to put one of the devious elements of this narrative. coming out of the west is that it's about values, they always package it as values. and if you know you don't have our values, it means you don't have any values at all. and that makes it easy to demonize here . and i think that that's what i find, you know, sickening is watching. what watching, you know, we have to protect sovereignty of ukraine, but then they go around boeing,

south africa, you know, and diminishing it. solve or do you have to choose a side, okay. but, and that is, africans always telling me that he said, why do we have the true size it accomplished the you created, kevin, it's been the time or challenge of empires to try and riley the populace behind wars up in rather not fight. and this is something that the united states has, has encountered. i mean, you know, i, ever, since it's a really expansionist history, past world war 2, you know, and, and entering into the uniform woman after the class of the soviet union, how do you get to the american public behind all these conflicts? and there's a number of strategies that use, obviously, and you know, there's spreading democracy there, liberating peoples from, from oppressive tyrants. they use the language of values, but as, as, as ideology to mobilize people to try and, you know, suppress domestic opposition to these wars. so i think you're right, it's clearly it's nonsensical when you look at the actual behavior of the united states military, around the world. even if you look at their economic behavior incredibly course is

incredibly expletive of, of, uh, you know, less powerful countries. if you think about, you know, the washington consensus, this new liberal model that has basically been imposed upon the developing world. so there's no values behind that beyond agreed and expectations. but of course, you can be an american or canadian, or a british, or, or french politician and stand up in front of your populace and say, well, we're pretty much going to exploit these 4 people. right? so yeah, they have to use the language of values, but it is, it is nonsensical when i think that this is one of the things that we need to be pointing out repeatedly when we speak to people in the last step of this conflict is we need to point out the incredible contradiction between the statements of values that are being made and the actual behavior of our governments in supporting this conflict. i think we need to highlight that contradictions is as firmly as we can, you know, do me to, you know, i, i think it's so much is at stake here and, and, and it in, we see it in the criticisms around the world of this conflict and i don't know,

maybe i'm, you know, i'm going to the point of hyperbole here, but this is kind of an arc of history. 500 years of western control of the globe of international trade. it's being severely challenged right now. d dollarization is going on. now. we have institutions that are being developed beyond the wes, out of the reach of the west. and it seems to me that there's an ukraine is turning into an inflection point because this kind of dom a domineering activity. not just since the 2nd world war, but ever since, you know, the exploration of the new world, the, which even itself is kind of been a colonial term in my over exaggerating at dmitri is not at all, i think there's a whole reason why we've seen this title, wave of propaganda and mccarthyism, frankly, in the west towards those of a criticize this war is because the leads in the west for them. this is existential, not in the sense that their survival is at stake. although they push the on those

up to far, oliver survival may be at stake. but in a sense that their power is at risk, their dominance is at risk, and that's why they are throwing everything in the kitchen sink at this particular conflict. because if they lose this, it's all over, it goes up, and in fact, i think it is, it is up and all they're doing is refusing to confront reality. the combination of russia and china is an obstacle that is insurmountable for the west. at this stage, the economic power, the resource power, the technological sophistication, the population, the land mass in every can spend also the diplomatic power of russia in china, in the world today, particularly in the global south. as such that the western deletes can no longer enjoy the error of usage. germany, it is over and they are having to come to grips with that. and it isn't going to be a very, very rocky ride in the years ahead. precisely because they refused to come to grips with that. well, exactly, let's go ahead and tim, here reflect upon what dimitri just said here. hedge about never gives up easily. as a matter fact, the hedge of mine will take

a lot of powers around them down if it's, if it's unnecessary in defense of their, their position. and i don't, i don't see the us being magnanimous about it, jim a mess, right? i mean the, if it was a manual, todd who said this as an existential faithful, the europeans and the americans for the un nato, for, for the western a lease. and they're not going to, it's essential for them as it is for russia. and that's what the danger of this is . look it's, you know, the famous lemming quote sometimes continue to do something. sometimes 10 years happens in a week. and what we have is, in the last year and a half years of happens is, you know, and things of different people didn't think were possible. suddenly became clearly possible. i mean, russia didn't know how it was going to, what was going to happen with the sanctions. none of the world knew it was going to happen militarily, development afraid of the united states militarily, since the defeat of the soviet union. and within 6 months, everybody stood up. we can get away with this. we can waive economically with the sanctions. you know, the worst of us,

the rest of the military power that can stand. 2 to the united states, so let's try it. i guess what big they sure are. and the rest of the world, what will fail? you know, they were, they are tired precisely of the faith promoting. they're saying, hey, we sat around for 30 years, americans came and gave us a sermons infections. yeah. okay. what happens with the airport in the roads? unfortunately, around the time, but we've ended on a good note here and tired of the sanctimony because i think that's exactly what it is. gentleman, that's all the time we have a want to thank my guess in new york, toronto, and in hamilton. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time and remember cross stop rules the the. ringback the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a

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