a that's how severe the problem has become, and it's only going to get worse as we head into winter with a lack of access to relatively inexpensive russian gas. and so the political appetite within europe, which is a key player and all of this is going to be very, very limited even for a low low. ready low, long term tell a band style insurgency. so i think the united states government is running out of options real fast. well, tvs aren't, you know, we're going to go to break in a 2nd here. but i mean, logically i have to agree with you. but then again, look at the behavior of the europeans for the last 15 months, which, you know, defies logic and common sense to me. what would make that change? we have 40 seconds before we go to the break, go ahead. political interest of the people from europe. me right to up at some point. i mean, we've already seen a tremendous amount of political instability in france. i think it's only going to get worse. i agree that the, the incumbent governments of europe have shown themselves incredibly, serv. while these of either us government effectively have done whatever the us

government, they don't want it. but the, the, the, the public's appetite or tolerance for this insanity is rapidly waning. and eventually there will be so much instability on the ground that they will be forced either out of office or force to change their policies. i think. all right, well that'll have all that thought hold that thought we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the next forever war. stay with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you. fractured images presented to this,

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the welcome act across software. all things are considered. i'm people about to remind you we're discussing the next forever war. the go back to kevin in hamilton. this conflict is just, has been much about propaganda and controlling the narrative as it has been about military hostilities coming. i mean, it's very interesting. the way western media is that describes the conflict. it's called, called the ukranian, russia war, the russian, the russia, ukraine, war on all these kinds of things. but really what it is, i mean, this time, last year the ukranian army had been destroyed and it's been slowly but surely reposition and with material money, ammunition, etc. by nato. so this is a nato, russia conflict. okay. we shouldn't say that in repeated inputs. and correct people

would, they don't say it because that's what it is you're having this. this is what would i think it's very, very dangerous. but also, i personally think is an opportunity because nato is putting it's a reputation on the line and it's losing okay. now in less, one party wants to go to the ultimate level of escalation, which god forbid we ever get there. nato is dealt itself a pretty poor pant kevin? i agree. i think nato is in over its head. i think this is something that a number of the speakers of already mentioned or, or certainly entered out today. and i wanted to pick up on your uh, your point of votes uh, mainstream media coverage in the west. and i think this is one of the very serious challenges that we face um, from the western side, to try to bring some sanity into our foreign policy to try and bring an end to conflicts like this is that the information we receive is, is so skewed and you know, you have decades of intense source of phobia and in north america,

this has been cultivated through, you know, the hollywood machinery, mainstream media, you know, government so, so that's a background. and then you also have reporting that simply not accurate. and so one of the challenges we really face here is getting out accurate information about the causes of the war about how the war has actually been unfolding and about some real possibilities for peace. and so i think that this is um, a challenge that we really have to get. i get better at here because to demetrius boeing about the role that the public can play in, hopefully not having this conflict extended definitely the public has to put pressure on or elected officials. this will happen, i think, more organically in europe because of the economics prices they're facing. but we need to see this in north america as well. we need to see north american citizen, citizens and canada, united states standing up and letting their governments know that this cannot continue. and so this is, this is a real project that we have to undertake here in the west. like i said,

injecting some sanity into our foreign policy, it's only going to be the people that will do that. i think, well, i'm very if i make it into ject, or i'm sorry, what right at one which i think it is very important in this context. at least if you're living in north america, and that is despite the extraordinarily skewed media coverage and the enthusiasm amongst the main stream media for this war. a call that came out in february, which was quite surprising to the, the national post which commissioned it founded only 32 percent of canadians supported, continuing to arm ukraine. imagine what that number would be if people were getting the facts. so even here in canada, which has not suffered nearly as much economically as europe has as a result of this, this crazy sanctions for a you see that less than a 3rd of canadian support continuing to arm ukraine in a very pro ukraine media environment a exactly to be that's very interesting to me too because you have a very, very powerful ukrainian diaspora in canada. i find that is a, let me pull in jim here, jim, i mean kind of echoing with imagery and,

and kevin and said, this is an elite more, this is an elite narrative. okay. and, and it's, and because so much of the media is controlled. there's so much censorship right now where you guys, you're aware archie was thrown off of youtube and i'll, i'll other barriers are put in front of us here. and even after all this controlled media and all the filters and all that, it's amazing. the number of people that are in the beginning to change their mind to your thoughts, jim. and so just seems to get through this. another narrative does get through. you know, the reader viewership of these main street stations is terrible. there are millions, millions more people watching joe rogan and watching anything on the, on the mainstream media. and, you know, it is defined that's happening now between the lead media culture and popular leader culture. that's why they're so intent on sensor in the internet. because the

stories do get through the stories about russia and ukraine, the stories about israel and palestine that they don't want to tell, told, are being told and people do to see them. so what you have is, is bizarre and dangerous divide between what people are feeling and what the mainstream media is. them is showing and demonstrating. don't forget only 2729 percent of the public is either a democrat or republican. most people are independent, but the media is all divided up among blue and blue and red tribalism. and that's the narrative they get. but people are, are going away from that. and you know, i'm going to back to point that you said about that, cuz what i was describing before was i think the video constant they can do, but i agree with you. i don't think they're gonna do it. they don't believe that they control everything and they can turn the world on and turn it off when they want. but there's another player here that's not going to play that game anymore and that's russia, and that's what makes it so dangerous. unpredictable. do you have this split between what the, what this delusional idea that they get about themselves from their own narratives or reflect the background in the media about this is what we can do. and this is

what the real story is. and everybody else in the world is a no, that's not the real story, but the found what you can do. so that's the problem it's, it's so interesting is we have so many different people from different countries on this program. and they all at go the same thing and said, you know, this narrative coming out of the, just not logical doesn't make any sense here. but kevin, want to put one of the devious elements of this narrative. coming out of the west is that it's about values, they always package it as values. and if you know you don't have our values, it means you don't have any values at all. and that's makes it easy to demonize here. and i think that that's what i find, you know, sickening is watching the what watching, you know, we have to protect sovereignty of ukraine, but then they go around boeing, south africa, you know, and diminishing it. solve or do you have to choose a side, okay. but, and that is, africans always telling me that he said, why do we have the true size it accomplished the you created, kevin,

it's been the time or challenge of empires to try and rally their populace behind wars that they'd rather not fight. and, and this is something that the united states has, has encountered. i mean, you know, i, ever, since it's a really expansionist history pass world war 2, you know, and, and entering into the uniform moment after the class of the soviet union, how do you get to the american public behind all these conflicts? there's a number of strategies they use, obviously, you know, they're spreading democracy, they're liberating peoples from, from a precedent tyrants. they use the language of values. um, but as, as, as audiology to mobilize people to try and, you know, suppress domestic opposition to these wars. so i think you're right, it's clearly it's nonsensical when you look at the actual behavior of the united states military, around the world. even if you look at their economic behavior, incredibly courses, incredibly expletive of, of, uh, you know, less powerful countries. if you think about, you know, the washington consensus, this new, a liberal model that has basically been imposed upon the developing world. so there

is no values behind that beyond agreed and expectations. but of course, you can be an american or canadian, or a british, or, or french politician and stand up in front of your populace and say, well, we're pretty much going to exploit these 4 people. right? so yeah, they have to use the language of values, but it is, it is nonsensical when i think that this is one of the things that we need to be pointing out repeatedly when we speak to people in the last step of this conflict is we need to point of the incredible contradiction between the statements of values that are being made and actually behavior of our governments in supporting this conflict. i think we need to highlight that contradictions as, as firmly as we can. you know, dmitri, you know, i, i think it's so much is at stake here and, and, and, and we see it in the criticisms around the world of this conflict. and i don't know, maybe i'm, you know, i'm going to the point of hyperbole here. but this is kind of an arc of history, 500 years of western control of the global international trade. it's being severely

challenged right now. d dollarization is going on. now we have institutions that are being developed beyond the wes, out of the reach of the west. and it seems to me that there's an ukraine is turning into an inflection point because this kind of dom domineering activity, not just since the 2nd world war. but ever since, you know, the exploration of the new world, the, which even itself is kind of been a colonial term in my over exaggerating at dimitri is not at all. i think there's a whole reason why we've seen this title, wave of propaganda and mccarthyism, frankly, in the west to our, to those of you criticize this war is because the leads in the west for them. this is existential, not in the sense that their survival is at stake. although they push the on those up to, for all of our survival may be at stake. but in a sense that their power is at risk, their dominance is at risk, and that's why they are throwing everything in the kitchen sink at this particular

conflict. because if they lose this, it's all over. he gets up, and in fact, i think it is, it is up and all they're doing is refusing to confront reality. the combination of russia and china is an obstacle that is insurmountable for the west. at this stage, the economic power, the resource power, the technological sophistication, the population, the land mass, and then every can spend also the diplomatic power of russia in china in the world today, particularly in the global south as such that the western deletes can no longer enjoy the error of usage, germany, it is over and they are having to come to grips with that and it isn't going to be a very, very rocky ride in the years ahead. precisely because they refused to come to grips with that. well, exactly. let's go ahead and tim, here reflect upon what dimitry just said here i had to button never gives up easily . as a matter of fact, that hedge of mine will take a lot of powers around them down if it's, if it's unnecessary in defense of their, of their position. and i don't, i don't see the us being magnanimous about it, jim. that's right. i mean the, i think was

a manual. todd who said this is an existential faithfully europeans and americans for the un nato, for the, for the western a lease. and they're not going to, it's essential for them as it is for russia. and that's what the danger of this is . look at, you know, the famous lemming quote sometimes continue to do something. sometimes 10 years happens in a week. and what we have is, in the last year and a half years, what happens is, you know, and things of didn't, people didn't think were possible suddenly became clearly possible. i mean, rush, i didn't know how it was going to what was going to happen, which essentially. 2 the world knew what was going to happen militarily. people have been afraid of the united states militarily since the defeat of the soviet union. and within 6 months everybody stood up. we can get away with this. we can waive economically with the sanctions. you know. 2 the worst of us, the military power that can stand up to the united states. so it's trying to guess what big they sure are and the rest of the world, what will self, you know, they, when they are tired precisely of the st. the morning they're saying, hey,

we sat around for 30 years, americans came and gave us a sermons and sanctioned the okay, well where's the airport in the roads? unfortunately, around the time, but we've ended on a good note here, tired of the sanctimony because i think that's exactly what it is. gentleman, that's all the time we have a want to thank my guest in new york, toronto, and in hamilton. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our t. so you next time and remember, cross top rules, the, [000:00:00;00] the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking, that is, a nation's percept. uh, allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mine and agents who are the slaves. americans,

rock obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was the culture of strategy. so something in the, in your industry, i'm a b, i not finished, it's often zebulon and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move based. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations of nature. what is founded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good?

and that is the reality of what we're facing, which especially the oh, sure seemed wrong. just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground. hi, i'm receptive and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers,

multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you, i'm comfortable. my show is called direction. but again, we don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way inside the line. so see what's printing, what was up at the moment. this is just so basically of course we need your last name was needed read it was can when we used

to be imagine we have some more by us which was this we, which i knew people to the the, the diplomatic spot side of things of fraud often, joe biden brands at present a season thing, a dictator and the assignments aligned to the us by his past date visit to the country as washington twice to get new delhi on his side over the conflict fee. but the a ross of a so group holds black or attempted the boss is why you put it in for the full is that who rose? yeah. and south done this as the most of the says at least $263.00 applied to the

power of this month. the scale and speed of. so that is the same thing to this. and these to auction is 10, but it's advantage on the, the new and was of the consequences of the ongoing war and so done as another seats, $5.00 by the us. and saudi arabian breaks down with both warning sides, excusing each of the life of moscow. this is c, my name is rod, have i'll be in 30 minutes of news and views. so now this wasn't joe by the highest spots, something of that put methics by itself. that broadening his choice, count about seizing things that the tied to that as for the rest of the chinese for mr. you may find you when you're not due to the relevant remarks from the westside works' trim, they are ridiculous and they're responsible. they have seriously violated basic

facts on diplomatic protocol and chinese political dignity. it was an open political provocation since i was very lucky man to be joining the biology contribute to the rates of mazda and his head in the studio. how lucky are we, rachel? good to see what's this about and what led to present by making these compet comments? i'm what, why now? yeah, you think that donald trump was still present it right? because this is something that people use to complain about when trump was in charge. all look at another diplomatic job, he's embarrassing the united states. now we have the bite and diplomatic gas, and it's not the 1st one. i'll get to that in the 2nd. but the context is important here. so by didn't obviously felt really comfortable because he was in front of a group of supporters democratic donors. and i guess he just let his guard down and maybe also his brain filter as well. because he kind of was talking off the cuff and felt really comfortable and, and let's have

a listen to what exactly he said. the reason why she's in pink, i'm very upset in terms of when i show that balloon down with 2 books costs, but a spine equipment in it was she didn't know it was that that's a great embarrassment for dictators when they don't know what happened. all right, so of some insults there. right. but it's not the very 1st time that he has done this. he has a whole history of recent remarks that are a little bit off the cuff and really controversial. just a few days ago, he was talking to a group of gun control advocates, and at the end of a speech, she said, god save the queen, man. and nobody really knew what he was talking about. so some white house press corps, members, went and asked the white house what exactly, what is the meaning by that? and they explain that? well, he was talking to somebody in the audience and didn't explain whether or not it's a real person he was talking to in the audience. that would have been an interesting follow us. but uh, yeah, he's not his 1st rodeo. oh,

we know you say that he was making all these gas, but i did things on purpose. i mean, and they say that, you know, it'd be just as like 2030 percent truth of that. well, how we do it is it is the out of card. so if a bite to the, or is it something that he always does? well, it's interesting because i think what we're really hearing when the biden filter drops is the real talk behind the scenes in washington. i think this is the consensus in washington they, they talk about world leaders like this guys, a decatur disguise of friends. it's very black and white and everybody talks about the deep state, right. but there really is a permanent infrastructure, a bureaucracy in place in washington that, oh, last every president. and they pretty much have a very similar approach and way of thinking. and i think what we're hearing when that filter drops with by then as it so often does is really what's being said in

bathroom washington, which you have to remember by didn't, has been around for decades and binding himself is no stranger to throwing around terms like dictator, back in march of last year, he insulted russian present environment, puts in, and at the time, it's interesting the reaction that came from the kremlin kremlin spokesmen dmitri past golf, said, quote, bearing in mind mister biden's irritability fatigue and forgetfulness which eventually results in aggressive statements we will possibly prefer to refrain from making any strong comments as to not trigger more aggression. it's interesting. so he kind of let it go, let it ride and didn't want to use it to exacerbate the problems that already exist between the united states and russia in terms of foreign policy, you know, by and also is very fast and loose with similar insults when it comes to the turkish president uh, air to one. he said it in a run up to the last election that he called him and authoritarian. he's thrown around the term dictator and are the ones that book

a guy is that the carrier is not going to be in a tight run off in the 2nd round of an election. come on. and he, it's interesting because we know that biden's public facade, his public persona is very carefully curated. elan must tend to at that, when he set on eon less. now being the ceo of twitter, purchased it a couple years ago. he mentioned right under a bite and tweet, he said, assuming that it was somebody on binds team who did the tweet. and i think that's a pretty safe assumption because they're all very coherent and very disciplined. and you, i must said, please, i beg you give him the password to his account and let him do his own tweet. speaking it's probably going to be really entertaining and probably the same will get the same kind of thing that we're getting with these comments. nissan, oregon from prison. yeah. all right, so with this little guy all between, i know we had blinking inside a bite and saying this about shipping. all we'd like you to see both sides

will. i mean, we'll, we'll, we'll relations, we'll between that so them, or is it so very much of a cold front? well, maybe anthony, blinking after arriving back in the united states to get back on the same plane, had all way back to be shaken, smooth things over. i mean, is that really what we're going do? i don't think so. i think ultimately clinton had a mission to try to get this train back on the rails. and there's a little bit of turbulence here, but let's have a listen actually to what entity blinking secretary of state said. while he was over impatient, we said we needed to say and make clear, we need to make clear in terms of this not happening again. and so as long as it doesn't that that chapter should be closed. all right, so he made went to all that trouble made all the effort and it comes down to

whether or not the us and china are going to basically to set aside any foreign policy considerations and over riding concerns in order to get down into the mud and rustle it out over remarks like this there just made off the cost. yeah. very interesting. right. so i mean, going to have more and more gas that out until the present i make as soon as next year. thanks so much for joining me here today. because it's only 2 months ago. so that's also cost lives to joseph gregory by how he is a provides of policies and international relations. so the thanks so much for joining us here on the last minute we know that. so what are your thoughts on why didn't statement saying the same thing? is it they said, well, you know, i think the 1st comment to make is that it's not true president, she is at the center of a collective decision making system that employs with the chinese call, whole process democracy to build consensus to suit the needs of approximately one

and a half 1000000000 constituents, it's a system that has served the chinese people very well by lifting more than 800000000 out of poverty. and seeing china return from being one of the least secure countries in the world to one of the safest and most powerful. now present sheet rules because he serves the party in the party rules because it serves the people that 2nd of aging would say that china today promotes a more equitable international system as well as south south development. contrary to the imperialism and hedge, and many of the united states. so in this sense, we might say that, uh, uh, in, in world affairs at least a china is much more democratic from united states, into his name. but why, why didn't buy that and say, i mean i was just speaking to my colleague at that rate. so she was saying that perhaps is that you know, a gas, perhaps it was an unplug,

it was on purpose. but to do this, anything nefarious in what he meant to say? you know, i think that she might be right that he might have been speaking off the cuff. he's done this many times. he's, he's made. so a mistakes and the things that he said and it's, you know, it's always harmed us relations. another got diplomacy whenever he's made these comments about the leaders of other countries. nevertheless, um, uh, you know, we know that the following uh, blinking is basically positive but still tough. it does it both he and bite and came up for immediate attack in the us, not just from senators. uh, but you know, bind has fox is only ministration and of course, uh, the democratic party and he feels vulnerable to them as well as republicans. so perhaps he wanted to talk to us in the wake of that criticism. and sorry, uh yesterday uh, you know, reports emerge that his son hunter buying would soon plead guilty to federal charges. and this will certainly royal his, uh, presidential campaign. republicans have long legs that his family is corrupt,