and this was never about you crates. this has always been to your point about crippling russia in the industrialized in germany. and some will argue that the ultimate goal is to be china. and that you have to go through russia in order to accomplish that. it's never been about ukranian democracy or sovereignty. it was about of the uh, if it had been then the us through victoria newland would not have overthrown the democratically elected you on a coal which government. so even though we're seeing the united, this is really been a money laundering state. yeah. that all the, that, that's why i mentioned, dana said, i didn't mean the war. i meant the grist keep it. oh then yes, yes, but, but i don't think we're in for another 25 year investment. uh, that's why i think they're even creating money now. what it, what it uh they,

they just, they just uncovered a $6200000000.00 accounting error. and the pentagon, they're trying to inject as much money into it now, because i think they see the gravy train is coming to a halt. hold onto the next on the address that because, you know, i mean nato can start and continue to flood you. crane with the equipment, but they can flooded with troops unless they want to commit their own troops. i mean, it's been rumored in westberg, but the, the polls like foolishly get involved with their own troops. go on officially their troops are there already. i mean, the, this is what, you know, the people are looking at this counter offensive. that is going nowhere. would russia then take the offensive once they are counter offensive spiders out on today? all we need to start with the fact the combined wes doesn't cover saucers. the flight see risk combined war, the combined arms, var,

rochard from that's still this special measure operation as opposed to war. and on a good will there be for people there. absolutely. should people manuals down lots of down all resources to do anything about this additional like it is, but it happens with this. com, but are fanciful. whichever anybody mean booting or chevy war? and that goes where do be the solver place repair on their last strategic reserves . well, for your brain and general of the guide for, i'm actually this year and i'm paying 20162017. but yes, the vision was on the roof of the past find almost long show on the, you know, let us finish or whatever the jumping jump from restaurants and them use data. you will see much more access books from the former option, which i think is always going to happen. not just do not want to review the precise date. and i think so,

russia will be for their goals. black as it goes. yeah. and now, and that sounds essentially and that will be the final objective both displays all of the special music operations. so yeah, we might see some certain maybe about the visitation and especially this morning, myra. the news that while i do not want them or young sharp go in there conversation, i see a basic with the word they are deformation of the a lot of people already. yeah. and even those who have been mobilized there is still known as a get to engage the input. the defense is the so called defense of by your brain. yeah, this either resorts which will be in drug use is down there all day. and we'll see where do we go? maybe hide, it goes most likely. but lucy, i'd say it's really interesting. oh, well, really because, you know, i, there is, if you look in public opinion polls, yes. and ukraine is lagging in the uh,

you know, in top of mind issues here. but the problem with that is public opinion as opposed can say one thing, but it leads to others. they do it on every other issue. so how do you, why did you cry and be any different. the reason why i bring this up is that these people, they the way they've um, been there. the narrative of this conflict is good versus evil except suspension and all that. but by doing that, they create an excess that to conflict. i mean, they generated it sell me rush, i can listen to all the demon ization. it's gotten used to it and nobody cares here anymore. okay. but i mean, for the west, they've turned this into some kind of pipe dream. and you know, it's not going to happen what, how, when they get to walk away from this, well, they get to say, well, but at least the russians didn't make it to paris, is that what they're going to say? well, who knows what they're going to say, because they don't even know what they're going to say. and then after they say it, they don't even remember what they've said to your point. this is a contrived conflict. there is no, there's no uh,

argument in that point the united states started this fight. but this time, what i think is, is happening is internationally. the united states is losing the argument if not lost the argument. so when you look at the relationships now between the saudis, iranians, when you look at the relationship now between the iranians and the global. so when you look at the number of countries that are trying to join the brits, when you look at what's happening with china and, and look in a number of african countries, the united states has created this scenario where i wrote a piece months ago called the non a line nations have re aligned and the united states is losing on the international front. and therefore, the domestic us politics has not caught up with that reality. but the rest of the

world is, even when you look at me, krohn going to china and show going to china. and they're understanding who they are, who they are to trading partners are in china, is divesting of it's us investments. so the world is going to bring this to a different result than united states has had intended even if tony blanking and samantha power and the rest of that crew don't get it. the rest of the world is gonna force them to. yeah, but on that i, these people in power, they don't care with the rest of the world and say the cares, i mean, look at burrell, you know, right, burrell says, a year, you know, the west is a garden and everyone else has the jungle. these people don't get it on the right. you've got 30 seconds before we go to the break. i mean, i'm on the record for many years, those people argue phone defense. and you guys can resolve. you're going to the

certainly a rough job 2 days ago. and you get a gift card, them definitely. so basically your goals, their view as blogs and says, you know, watch, start fighting, defining your offices. if you want to flight comment, slide boss, cuz i said she got, you know, so a bunch of pretty matters. goosgo being fault, you're going to be in the world around those that 30 day small was our best off for the united states that have so you, if you want to fight fight it. so it's perfectly pull it. okay, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the nature of nato. stay with our to the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants

a better wills and is it just as a chosen for you? fractured images presented is 1st. can you see through their illusion going underground? can the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking, that is, a nation's percept. uh, allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mine and agents who are the slaves. americans, rock, obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was the culture of strategy. since i'm in the, in your industry, i'm a, be,

i not finished that often. zip on in tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what we're facing, which especially the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the nature of nato, the

okay, belatedly, we're joined by our exist in new york. he is an investigative his during his latest book is america's empire of evil and walter of the program. eric, let's start off with you. you know, in the 1st part of the program, wilbur well pointed out very clearly and i agree with them completely. is that america's cache around the world when it comes to ukraine is fading in very quickly . which brings up the issues that we've had a number of countries. we've had china, we've had an african delegation lula in brazil, is coming up with his ideas. a lot of people talking about negotiation ceasefire. pros and cons like, oh, i'm sorry, it's all nonsense because russia is not going to negotiate with anyone in the west . why should they, eric? no, of course not. but you know, i really disagree with the general crushed of what i heard earlier on the show ahead. go ahead. yeah,

she said world public opinion is driving this matter or could prevent a world war from occurring. i look at the bills that are being considered in congress and oh, i'm talking about bills, but you are coming out of the senate foreign relations committee in the house with the foreign affairs committee and so forth and so on. and bills that are generally considered to be virtually sure to pass probably with overwhelming majorities. and what i'm seeing is that the congress person can, you know, in the united states are dead shut on demanding that the president released all the limitations that now exist on the supply of weaponry to ukraine. and i'm not talking about the quantitative limitations which

are basically, you know, financial, which are at this stage of the game, relatively unimportant. i'm talking about the name, the introduction of actually exchange, the kind of kind of weapons that would change in the military calculus. okay. well, let, let's, let's hold that, thought there on today. you know something about the military, the f sixteens. all this is that going to change the middle of the calculation on the battlefield, in your opinion, go ahead, andre. are you ready? series has no weapons be, give them call if you want to do, which can make any significant change in the outcome, including the principal and tool uh, basically supply every existing o blaine in the us air force there. so no, we're talking about at 2 different dice weapon systems. and we're talking about

generation because most of the united states supplies do the same goals for me to, to bring in turned out to be what it actually, you know, i wrote 3 weeks about that against a doc. basically, it's not designed to provide more. there are more yeah, it will make no difference what's right. and you're just getting ready to be delivered. it will be the draft the draft and shut down. so you're just not mike's name. okay, eric, go ahead. go ahead reply. there's a lot my point. my point is that the objective of the overwhelming majority of the congress person is for the united stage, immediately discharge applying missiles that are sufficient to be able to reach while scale and to be launched by the ukrainians against whatever they want. and in other words,

against the kremlin and to release all of the other bite and administration announced limitations on what america will and will not to apply to ukraine and the kinds of issues each other will and will watch reply to you. great. there is also legislation to introduce us troops to ukraine to join in the war. again. structure. ok, well, but here, but eric, you know, you can tell the difference. you could talk all you want about congressional bills, but i mean there is the executive, but it still does exist here. i'm not really sure the buy administration wants to do that. if they were going in that direction, they would probably be a lot more gung ho about getting the ukraine in today to. and the 1st place since the, by the ministration is backing up because they realize the mess that they have created for themselves that make it, you know, congress can double down on stupid all it wants and they couldn't waste all the

money. it was, i don't say well and then if this kind of weaponry, interest, theater of russian, we react. ok, haven't we realize that after what 15 months have complex wilbur, go ahead and washington react. it's wilmer, but there's always, there's a, there's a difference between selling weapons and using weapons. and that's why i keep referring to this as a money laundering scheme and a ponzi scheme. dave calhoun, the see, the former ceo of boeing said back in 2020. i don't care who wins the election because we're going to get paid any way the, the, the end. we also have to look at the difference between the mindset in the pentagon versus the mindset in the, in the white house. and one thing, the generals know, they do not want to get, you know, full blown conflict with, with russia. because that will also bring china into the equation. and they, so they can't be russia, they can't be china,

and they damn sure. can't be russia and china. so yes, the congress is authorizing the sale of weaponry because that's what the interest of boeing and lockheed martin in all of those lobbyist are filling the pockets, surprisingly of democrats for championing this foolishness. but there is a big difference between selling weapons and using weapons on today. there's a, there's been a lot of talk in the media about the use of nuclear weapons and the conditions in which they would be use. and it's very interesting if we're talking about what we, we used to think was on talked about unspeakable, about going up the escalation ladder. i mean, in the, in the, in the talk of it in the west is because, well, there's the perception if you want it, we live yourself or not admitted, but new crane is losing. and this is a, and this is what the, the russians watch. because the russians have been watching the escalation lighter

and they have reacted to it. they have not gone over what the west is that, but they've matched it. your thoughts on that, andre? or? oh such that this nuclear weapons directory in the west east. but i thought i knew from brian is spelled what is the murphy show because are actually a russian has a very strange right here for use. and then you know where, awesome, why would you use any of the work on them? you can do it by conventional meetings. yeah, that this brian, marilyn are each branch manager for money if you're leaving the property by the end of course, nobody will actually give your brand getting credit on the american warehouse. and roger is not going to use nuclear weapons, it is all done for the keeping their public opinion, even straightforward on wards, told us be that, you know, russians like you all have the week drink. and yes, i agree with you. it's all evolved, basically trying to shape them that are g of which probably have to go lobster. and again, i believe you are in moscow you'll, you'll see yourself the you where,

you know, just don't give them a ball drop in if they will. there's a more made you can all of days out from washington, and again, it's going to go annual one out. yeah, anymore. sure. long if you wish the few days a go again, i will back did. if level will stay the comments. my gosh. this is the, i mean it's so the oldest, you know, so they know, and they, so already brought to the old russian law, but basically didn't speak about the, you know, fighting behind the rocky. and this is calling united, chico. that's what it is. well eric, i would say, i would say just a little issue with that. this is p r, because i think there's a practical deterrent effect here as well. it's my dad used to say, you know, when you're in a negotiation, sometimes you've got to put the pistol on the table just to let them know you have one. so this i think is yes, there is

a p r effect intended here. but i also think there is a practical deterrent effect here as well. this is russia is saying, i'm letting you guys know. we aren't joking, we are playing and you push this too far and we have something for you. it's good to arrow back to erica, new york. eric, i mean, they, the, it seems to me that nato cannot accept the defeat here. i mean, it's all predicated on where the good guys, the russians are, the bad guys. you can't negotiate with bad people. it's a more morality play. it's a, it's a purity test here. i mean, how does nato get out of this quagmire that it's gotten itself into the only way it can happen to ship nato breaks up because of nato holds together, appear, stays with the united states, all the way up to a nuclear war. and i can see several possible ways that we can get to nuclear or nato holds together. busy throughout that entire pathway,

any of the routes, and there are several, we've got to recognize that why she is going to have to change its policies. janelle policies that is to say, it's really not going to be having a conversions on the other side. the collective west is right now determined to defeat russia, right? well, okay, well, what? but under the andre rug, rushes to turn or russia is determined not to be defeated. we have the, you have the last minute. all right, go ahead. that means whatsoever. so about the all political team i want to jump on the whole house if you wish, of being properly planned for, ya know, now that you wish out basically are awfully our strategy and need a new strategy offer after each component. this will work in the, on the developed strategy while you go see, to sell your property, then you come over to me. yeah. and again, i actually have to vote. and most of us me 100 people into the internal. my brother

are john some of the coy as a siri on how long has been, well, you'll get to the process of more goals. while professional people major is at the level walking along the additional way. what's your out there in most guarantees. now issue of donkey joining, briggs at some point of time, get a little radius out there. basically the cracks in may not get solved. okay, well i, i liked, i move it out of time, but i like i did, man walking. i think that kind of puts a ball on it here. it's all the time we have gentlemen and one a think my guess in washington state new york and, and watch it in. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time? remember across on the the, the

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