to me, it was on the record, the past find one was making show on the, you know, let us finish all whatever the johnston jungle restaurants in your state, or you will see much more active. but from former asher, which i think is always going to happen, and i just do not want to review the precise date, and i think so russia will go for their a goals. biloxi goals and now on this, on this option. and that will be, there are a final objective both displays what with the special needs or operations. so yeah, we might see some certainly respond back to these ations and especially this morning or the news that while i do not want them or try going, they're going to say sure, you basic with those who are, they are the formation of the a lot of people already. yeah. and even those who have being mobilized, they're still alone. they're supposed to get to engaged the input, the defense is the so called defense of by your brain. yeah. these are the resorts

which will begin for a use are down there all day. and we'll see where they will go, maybe because most likely. but lucy, i say it's really interesting. oh, really? because, you know, i, there is, if you look at public opinion polls, yes. and ukraine is lagging in the uh, you know, in top of mind issues here. but the problem with that is public opinion has a policy and say one thing, but it leads to others. they do it on every other issue. so how do you, why did you cry and be any different? what the reason why i bring this up is that these people, they, the way they've been there, the narrative of this conflict is good versus evil, except suspension and all that. but by doing that, they create an x or sped to conflict. i mean, they generated it sell me rush. i can listen to all the demon ization. it's gotten used to it and nobody cares here anymore. okay. but i mean, for the west, they've turned this into some kind of pipe dream. and you know,

it's not going to happen how, what, how, when they get to walk away from this. well, are they gonna say, well, but at least the russians didn't make it to paris, is that what they're going to say? well, who knows what they're going to say, because they don't even know what they're going to say. and then after they say it, they don't even remember what they've said to your point. this is a contrived conflict. there is no, there's no uh, argument in that point 2 united states started this right. but this time, what i think is, is happening is internationally. the united states is losing the argument if not lost the argument. so when you look at the relationships now between the saudis, iranians, when you look at the relationship now between the iranians and the global. so when you look at the number of countries that are trying to join the brits, when you look at what's happening with china and, and looked at a number of african countries, the united states has created this scenario where i wrote

a piece months ago called the non a line nations have real line and the united states is losing on the international front. and therefore, the domestic us politics has not caught up with that reality. but the rest of the world is, even when you look at me, krohn going to china and show going to china. and they're understanding who they are, who they are to trading partners are in china, is divesting of it's us investments. so the world is going to bring this to a different result than united states has had intended even if tony blanking and samantha power and the rest of that crew don't get it. the rest of the world is gonna force them to. yeah, but on that i, these people in power,

they don't care what the rest of the world say, the cares. i mean, look at burrell, you know, but burrell says a year, you know, the west as a garden and everyone else has the jungle. these people don't get it on the right. you've got 30 seconds before we go to the break. i mean, i'm on the record for many years, those people argue phone, but then you know, and you guys can resolve. you're going to the certainly a rough job 2 days ago. you cannot get hired them. this one, she base you for your goals. there you as blogs and says, you know, watch, start fighting, defining your offices. if you want to slide comment, slide boss, cuz i said she got, you know, so a bunch of pretty matters goosgo being fault. you're going to be in the world around those that 30 day small was off by best op for being that it states that have so you, if you want to fight fight, so it's perfectly pull it. okay, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the nature of nato. stay with our team. the

russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community. best of all sense. i'm up the same assistance to progress be the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia scooting and split the ortiz full neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. the senior said this was the question, did you say a request, which is the

welcome back across stock? were all things are considered computer level to remind you, we're discussing the nature of nato, the okay. belatedly were joined by our exists in new york. he is an investigative historian whose latest book is america's empire of evil. and welcome to the program, eric um, the started off with, you know, in the 1st part of the program. uh, wilmer. well, pointed out very clearly and i agree with them completely. is that americans cache around the world when it comes to ukraine is fading in very quickly, which but it brings up, the issue is that we've had a number of countries. we've had china, we've had an african delegation lula in brazil, is coming up with his ideas. a lot of people talking about negotiation ceasefire. pros and cons. like all, i'm sorry, it's all nonsense because russia is not going to get to negotiate with anyone in

the west. why should they, eric know, of course not, but you know, i really disagree with the general rushed of what i heard earlier on the show ahead. go ahead. yeah, she said world public opinion is driving this matter or could prevent a world war from occurring. i look at the bills that are being considered in congregation. oh, i'm talking about bills, but you are coming out of the senate foreign relations committee in the house with foreign affairs committee and so forth and so on. and bills that are generally considered to be virtually sure to cash probably with overwhelming majorities. and what i'm seeing is that the congress person can, you know, in the united states are dead set on demanding that

the president released all the limitations that now exist on the supply of weaponry to ukraine. and i'm not talking about the quantitative limitations which are basically, you know, financial, which are at this stage of the game, relatively unimportant. i'm talking about the, the, the, the introduction of actually exchange, the kind of kind of weapons that would change in the military calculus. okay. well, let, let's, let's hold that, thought there on the day, you know something about the military, the f sixteens. all this is that going to change the milton calculation on the battlefield? in your opinion, go ahead on today. are you ready? serious guys? no weapons be, give them full if you want to do which can make any significant change in the

outcome, including the principal and to basically supply every existing lane in the us air force there. so no, we're talking about at 2 different types of weapons systems, and we're talking about generation, because most of the united states supplies do the same both for me go to your brain, it turned out to be what it actually, you know, i wrote 3 weeks about that against a doc basically it's not designed for flights. more than more. yeah, it will make no difference what's right. and you're just getting which will be the live. what is the direct and shut down? so it's uh mike smitley. okay, eric, go ahead. well, my go ahead reply, there's a lot my point. my point is that the objective of the overwhelming majority of the congress person is for the united stage,

immediately discharge applying missiles that are sufficient to be able to reach while scale and to be launched by the ukrainians against whatever they want. and in other words, against the kremlin and to release all of the other bite and administration, announced limitations on what america will and will not supply to ukraine and the kinds of issues each other will and will watch reply to you. great. there is also legislation to introduce us troops to ukraine to join in the war. again. structure. ok, well, but here, but eric, you know, you can tell the difference. you could talk all you want about congressional bills, but i mean there is, the executive branch still does exist here. i'm not really sure the buying and ministration wants to do that. if they were going in that direction,

they would probably be a lot more gung ho about getting the ukraine in today to in the 1st place since the by the administration is backing up because they realize the mess that they've created for themselves. the make it, you know, the congress couldn't double down on stupid all it wants and they couldn't waste all the money. it was, i don't say well, and then if this kind of weaponry, interest feed or russell will react. ok, haven't we realize that after what 15 months of complex wilbur, go ahead and washington react. it's wilmer, but there's always, there's a, there's a difference between selling weapons and using weapons. and that's why i keep referring to this as a money laundering scheme and a ponzi scheme. dave calhoun, the see, the former ceo of boeing said back in 2020. i don't care who wins the election because we're going to get paid any way the, the, the, and we also have to look at the difference between the mindset and the pentagon. versus the mindset in the, in the white house. and one thing, the generals know,

they do not want to get, you know, full blown conflict with, with russia. because that will also bring china into the equation. and they, so they can't be russia, they can't be china, and they damn sure. can't be russia and china. so yes, the, the congress is authorizing the sale of weaponry because that's what the interest of boeing and lockheed martin in all of those lobbyist are filling the pocket surprisingly of democrats for championing this foolishness. but there is a big difference between selling weapons and using weapons on today. there's a, there's been a lot of talk in the media about the use of nuclear weapons and the conditions in which they would be use. and it's very interesting if we're talking about what we, we used to think was on topical, unspeakable, about going up the escalation ladder. i mean, in, in the,

in the talk of it in the west is because, well, there's the perception if you want to live yourself or not admitted, but new crane is losing. and this is a, and this is what that would be the russians watch because the russians have been watching the escalation ladder and they have reacted to it. they have not gone over what the west has not been. they've matched it. your thoughts on that? andre? oh such that this nuclear weapons directory in the west, east bright start value from bright is spelled bodies, the murphy show because are actually a russian has a very strange right here for using the nuclear weapons. and why would you use any of their work on them? you can do it by conventional needs. yeah, that is primarily v r. it's brand manager for many of you living with the property, but being young. and of course, nobody will actually give you brand, gave you credit on the american warehouse. and roger is not going to use nuclear weapons. it is all done before they keeping their public opinion,

even straightforward. on ward's shoulders be that, you know, russians like you all have they always drink and yes, i agree with you. it's all evolved basically trying to shape them that are the of which completely go lobster. and again, i believe you are in moscow your, you, you see yourself the you where, you know, just don't give them about anything. well there's in my mind, you can all of days out from washington and again, it's good to go annual. oh wow. yeah. anymore. how long you wish the few days ago, again, i roll back it off levels. what's the problem for? gosh, this is the, i mean it. so the medium oldest, you know, so they know, and they so already brought to the old russian law, but basically didn't speak about the, you know, fighting behind the rocky. this is calling united good chicken. that's what it is. well eric, i would take, i would take just a little issue with that. this is p r,

because i think there's a practical deterrent effect here as well. it's my dad used to say, you know, when you're in a negotiation, sometimes you've got to put the pistol on the table just to let them know you have one. so this i think is yes, there is a p r effect intended here. but i also think there is a practical deterrent effect here as well. this is russia is saying, i'm letting you guys know. we aren't joking, we are playing and you push this too far and we have something for you. it's good to arrow back to erica, new york. eric, i mean, they, the, it seems to me that nato cannot accept a defeat here. i mean, it's all predicated on where the good guys, the russians are, the bad guys. you can't negotiate with bad people. it's a more morality play. it's a, it's a purity test here. i mean, how does nato get out of this quagmire that it's gotten itself into the only way it can happen to ship nato breaks up because of nato holds together, appear,

stays with the united states, all the way up to a nuclear war. and i can see several possible ways that we can get to nuclear or if nato holds together. busy throughout that entire pathway, any of the routes, and there are several, we've got to recognize that why she is going to have to change its policies. it's an ounce policies. that is to say, it's really not going to be having a conversions on the other side. the collector west is right now determined to deplete rushing right one. okay, well what? but under the andre rug, rushes to turn or russia is determined not to be defeated. we have the you have the last minute on the right. go ahead. that means what large, whatever, so involved, there are political team with the jump on the whole house if you wish to be in for a party planned for ya know,

now that you wish out basically are awfully our strategy and need a new strategy offer after each component this will work in the, on the developed strategy while you go to the south, let me look at bureau, we're gonna start putting the comment today and, and again, i have to vote. and most of us, do you agree people into the internal, my brother or john some of the boys we share a are how long is done, but will you get to the process of more goals? while professional people major is at their level walking along the additional way, what's out there in most guarantees. now issue of georgie joining briggs at some point of time. get a little read yourself there. basically the cracks in may not get solved. okay, well i, i liked, i live a lot of time, but i like i did man walking, i think that kind of puts a bow on it here. it's all the time we have gentlemen and one a think my guess in washington state new york and, and washington. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time, remember across the,

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a most scope mondays. pizza scott's and welcome to 30 minutes of news on analysis. refuge on this ocean armed forces have repelled 7 attacks by ukrainian forces over the past 24 hours according to russia's defense ministry. meanwhile, ukraine has pointed the finger these western allies full setbacks on the battlefield with an adviser to present the landscape. think he is alive, took too long to supply military 8 all the time. last in convincing our partners to provide the necessary weapons is reflected in the specific russian for the vacations built you in these periods. the deeply dr. defense line and the system of mine fields, things happen to be looking bright, told the ukrainian army here in the don't bass and in the south then. well, it's not because they haven't been trying. during the past 24 hours, the russian army has repelled at least 7 attacks on several sections of the front and supporting to what we're getting from the front lines right now. another large

scale attack is happening in the south in these upper rogia region. as the crate and forces are advancing on the russian positions and mos so, but so far ukraine has failed to show any results in the any feasible progress of its counter offensive. and really, t of has been struggling with explaining as to why that is. this is really reflected in the weston headlines and the headlines of the main stream media se, well us journalists here on this pa, so the front we get home was for unlimited access to pretty much pretty much all the regions and dual sections of the front page. is very, very careful about to who and where it's, let's journalists and what sort of reports in comes out. so western journalists, they really have to rely on teams, official position, and that, well, it has been quite inconsistent at 1st. they have been a little about, we haven't really started anything for real. but then presidents lensky himself

reluctantly admitted that the long teased counter offensive is indeed in full swing . so then the to change that maybe that have been suggestions that is really careful about the lives of it's meant that it is preserving the person no, but well, uh, fax, the bed to defend. this is not something that we've heard from. well, soldiers on the front line, in fact, the initial tactics of david involved sending tanks and weston ahmed vehicles. fast on the infantry followed, but offices some very hard hitting images of burning lip at tanks and bradley's that changes to because apparently it's easier to see w crating and bodies and to look at the dead ukrainian bodies that is for the key of combined of course so now we're being told by the soldiers on the front line, infantry is going fast and west, and i'm at vehicles of a all well providing cover from a safer distance. so uh, and in fact,

according to the russian ministry of defense, ukraine, over the course of this month, has lost some $13000.00 men. that's a co law. so truly kolosso figure for this conflict and now, well, uh, at least the cnn is reporting and citing a officials in washington dc saying that, well, they aren't really impressed. and that this is not something that they expected and anticipated that they really wanted to see a move fast paced, at least they fast paced offensive with some feasible results which ukraine has so far, completely failed to show. there's plenty of versions floating around. some european officials have been saying that, well, they simply do not want to fill this conflict to escalate further. but this doesn't really look plausible because sofa, the e u has provided ukraine with pretty much everything that they wanted. and now they

are thinking of simple jets. the actual reason could lie in the words of the is really prime minister who has said that the biggest problem today is that there is no control over the flow of arms. and there's no guarantees on behalf of kids that the weapons supplied by the parties that they will not be smuggled and used by somebody else for malicious purposes. and according to these ready prime minister, this is already happening outside the board as of his own country. i think he's really is in a peculiar situation, different from st. bolan's, or germany, or france, or any of the western countries that are assisting ukraine. first of all, we have a close military border with russia. we also have concerns that and the systems that we give to ukraine would be used against us because they could fall into iranian hands and be used against us. and by the way, that's not it. so you already go possibility. it actually happens with the western end to thank weapons that we now find at our borders. so we have to be very careful

here. this is far from the 1st time that such concerns and much in the public domain. we have seen previous reports that western supply, the small items that they end up on the black markets of europe. and that, of course, significantly undermines the security situation on the continent. and well, if there's one thing, the 2 is very consistent about. it's uh, is there a demand for more weapons, for more supplies and for more support for the fire? we'll see the boy enough weapons on the day of victory when we, when i will say thank you, the weapons were enough. but until then, everything will never be enough for me. no matter how much your dear, everything will not be enough. because while there is still no victory, it means there was not enough help. it is very simple to put to you when he gets to just go there. you have it right and is completely on the phase by the lack of progress. and there again, long teased counter offensive. at that so far it has been an absolute flip. their

message is very clear. if they need a death start to destroy the russian forces, have he or they will go on admission to europe and they will have your pay for it, build it and supply to ukraine. or the former us assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy. paul craig roberts, and he gave his assessment the situation on the ground the washington started. that's you say, look, the american foreign policy, which is controlled by the neo conservatives, is stated very clearly. the principal goal of american foreign policy is to prevent the rise of russia or any country that could serve as a constraint on us, you know, levels. so united states cares nothing about you train it is a weapon to be used against russia. so they will continue to use that weapons as

long as it's available. and that's why the russian should take sufficient action to close this conflict of the conventional power from the mill. the agreement with the west isn't going to hold, you know, we, we had the misc agreement which food and held to for 8 years while the rock clerical is built up. an army for you. right. moving on now and he just paul events has adults with a new national anthem, excluding previous lines about pride and gratitude for new freedom, the address to friends and family news of us. let's be grateful for all freedom and new liberty. the line was originally written by a french mountain back in 1961 after new shag gain independence. for years that have been calls to change, the often arguing that the lyrics express gratitude to its former colonizer, or a similar situation that hasn't leveled in algeria, where that has been outraged at funds. after chimed into the debates about new jazz national anthem,

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