quiet and very well very, nothing good. they didn't look like a quarrel. it looked like a conversation. so well, that least uh they have that going for them. and, but you've given you precaution to uh has said that if he is not given given, showing go the defense minister and the, and they get i some of, uh, so he says, but he's going to send his men to moscow. again, he did not specify as to what there will be doing there, but judging what we've seen from the stove, this could be, they could be trying and attempting similar actions. that of course, this is a developing situation. we will be following closely to bring you all the latest on this crisis. well, this comes as the board and chief. you have guinea pig goshen has a pit and a video holding talk through the rushes deputy defense minister, military intelligence chief enroll stuff on. don't know his claims that his troops of taking control of a local field and ministry from on sentence seems so silly little dry. we are at

the headquarters. at 7 30 am, rus stops. military facilities, including its air fields, were taken under control, plains, leaving for combat, as well as 2 minutes harry in flights are working. as usual. there's been no problems. well that's as big of an all versus ivonya as region has said that they can voice a minute you vehicle is, is now heading towards the role stuff on done before the judging online showing i have a military presence near the real stalls come months sent to us as the regions governor of locos to refrain from troubling to the city center and not even to leave the homes local gentlest sensors. this report pharmacy. as long as you look about how the wag net private military company, you have get any precaution states in the video that he and his units are in full control of military facilities, including the air failed in the footage. deputy minister generally of quarter offend, to have got to general alex save communication with the leadership of the of oregon that p m. c. at the headquarters of the cell, the military district,

the governor of the region, is urging everyone to remain calm and not to leave their homes without good reason and to refrain from traveling to the city center. municipal transports is working as usual. all my events that was scheduled for the weekend have been cancelled according to preliminary information. no true man and bella. claus have taken over the main military facilities and heavy machinery, including tanks and our much vehicles. our presence in the city blocks east roman costs of is in the epicenter of events and real stuff away he travelled to from done yet. he's bringing us the latest on the situation in the city and the surroundings. we have just enter this into the stuff that we encountered. absolutely and get it in. however, we're sol, members of the wagner group, they created search points out whatever they're not stopping anybody at all. they have so the farms and they, they have set all of the severity equipment on the screen. so i saw mine,

so i saw machine guns and similar but however they're not storming anybody there now inside the city and the lab goes on as usual, once we get to the center, closer to the headquarters. so committed 3 and we'll find out what's going on there . meanwhile, the bush and the administrative defense has called the ongoing events pre gordon's criminal adventure. and so the many wagner soldiers have already laid down their arms, a jingle visit to follow their example. we appeal to defy this of developing the bmw csl squats. you have been series in the precautions, criminal, adventure, and participation in the insurgency. many of your cameras from several units have already realized their mistake seeking help to ensure the safe return through places of permanent deployment. such assistance on l bought has already been provided to all the fighters and commanders who have requested it. we ask that you

show discretion and get in touch with representatives of the russian minister to defense or law enforcement agencies as soon as possible. we guarantee everyone's safety. meanwhile, authorities, i have confirmed that the pmc bogged offices in st. petersburg had been rated by law enforcement. the security in this city also being placed on high a lot of highlights, to use the shape both sensors this report from the scene. in this morning in the city, we did visit several of mister precautions, ad business premises, and we can confirm that several of them have now being rated and taken under control of the f s b. and here at wagner is impressive. corporate h q a just on the outskirts of st. petersburg, a significant military and security operation is underway. and we believe the premises have been seized and are being searched at the moment. of course st. petersburg is a city of origin of, of the you've got any pedagogy and this elusive, an interesting entrepreneur of qualified as

a pharmacist initially and then progressed in to various businesses which culminated in 2015, which is foundation of the wagner pmc private military contract, which has grown into a very significant military force, of course, famous for it's at work and back much fast. so in st. petersburg, the city is tom, there's a, there's a large ash, jude and celebration on somebody which hasn't been canceled. people are getting on with their business, but there is a sense that at the kremlin and the government in moscow, particularly now that we've hired present improvements as set out is still very clearly about the position in moscow. regarding mr. goshen and wagner, st. petersburg is quiet, but as we can see at the assets on the premises that belong to mister pre goshen, we can tell you that we have seen a f s b specialist and to those areas. from all of this, let's cross life now to pizza. lavelle who is the host of across stock. thanks very

much for joining those pizza. now, as you're aware, the tensions between the m o. d and pretty gold and have played out very publicly they've, they've made no secrets of the hatred of each other. but are you surprised that they resulted in what can only be described as an outright mutiny by wagner? well, this is just lunacy and it's, it's treason mean it's doing it at a point like this magic just pointed out. it's been building up the roads and has a very building up the roads and has a very big mouth with, besides straight that he doesn't hide his opinions. he's very opinionated and he's very self centered. okay, and he's always been attacking the, the defense ministry and it's leadership by name. always very careful. not to offend president pigeon. william stepped over the line right now. i think the reason why this is happening is that he's not relevant anymore. okay. take a baby and cut her offensive in a in ukraine is, is cut her offensive in

a in ukraine is, is by or by cube is fizzling out. even western commentators are coming to that conclusion. he's not necessary anymore. and so, you know, he wants to be some kind of bonaparte. well just, it's not going to work out. and he grossly miscalculated. and there's a lot of frustration as you've been reporting, obviously, you know, with the, the pace of the conflict. people wonder over, everybody wants it over. but he's not the boss. he's not the one that makes the decision. and he likes to put that at these things, the decision and he likes to put that in the decision making process on his head. well, he's grossly miscalculated this office a lot in about 12 hours. they'll all be negotiated down, but he should go to prison and people to work with them to go to prison. i'm going to pick you up. this is i solely on what, how we might play outs pizza. but because in his they said openly that he wants to its own seats, the top of russian metric from on. but as we heard just a few hours ago, he was severely condemned by the maid fruits in the come on. the 2nd sort of beacon also called for him to fold in line. what do you think if anything,

you can achieve now west left france ago as well, he is cross the rubicon, he can't achieve anything right now. and it really kind of highlights the problem with these military contractors. it's very, very fuzzy in gray that needs to be addressed. a lot of us watching a wagner world, you know, saying in a quiet believe that this is going to it, this is going to be a train wreck at one point in target a. this is going to be a train wreck at one point in time because he's a free agent in many ways, but he also has to work with the russian military. so there was a lot of loopholes there and i think that's going to be closed right now. and his, his chapter in history has been closed, he closed himself and there will be a trial and he will go to prison. mm. no speaking a little bit more widely pizza, about the ramifications for the was all as a whole on how these developments might affect the the conflicts in ukraine. do you think that the credit is might take advantage. busy of this instability

a well, that's good, but what now? um uh modern day trembling all the just in the west will be for the next few weeks if not months. you know, what kind of deal was progression i'm going to make with the ukrainians because they were been rumors who done up in uh, goshen had contact and it didn't promotion. had contact and it didn't seem like the wagner people hit that very much. so was there some kind of intrigue working with the ukrainians, but obviously i'm not in a position to say one way or another, but they have that is what's been spoken about a in quiet terms by a lot of people right now. so yeah, it's like certainly will in both the middle won't change the facts, the military mass on the ground. okay. you know, why did we did good work? okay. controversial group or did good work. okay. controversial group. i think all contracting groups like this are controversial. he did a good job, he had his place in history and he squandered it. but i don't think it's going to

change the pace of what's going on in the military conflict right now. moving on to present patients address to the nation, which was a just a couple of hours ago. and he often does make historical power levels with current events and historic events. and this time you start to the, the 1917 revolution and the chaos. the dots created using the similarities between now and the well, you know, you know, not, i don't say, i mean that's what can happen. i think that's why president poodle mentioned it did . that's the, the, the worst possible outcome of having that repeated that. i don't see the conditions of that the right now whatsoever. the rushes i'm going through. these will become dealing with sanctions. well, more or less, all right, the population is, is a, is the population is, is a, is probably, is satisfied. you know, the economy is going well and mean that and rush is doing well, and it's offensive when you print, so i don't see any of those ingredients. but what present brewton was saying is

that this is how bad it could get. and i'm glad that he did mention, and now i'm just gonna pick you up on what you mentioned before you didn't. you didn't seem to suggest that some that this might be over and 12 hours and it'd be a negotiated settlement. do you think that that is what will happen? involves something they'll know be a peaceful agreements here. yeah, i, i think so. i'd say, yeah, i hope so. okay. there's nothing to be gained here. nothing is going to be changed by this new name. and we don't want any loss of light brushing shouldn't be killing russians during them. they look military conflict, it's unconscionable. okay, there has to be negotiated in. so you and i think the being, the government will do everything in his power to do that. but the render you must be held, but he must, brenda, he must be held account for what he has done. indeed, we will have to wait and see as to how events play out because they'll be obviously very difficult to predict. and finally, as you know, you're based in moscow as are we all here and i'll see them

a has announced accounts, a terrorist operation regime, as they've called it, to be put in place in the capital. to what extent do you believe this is? sylvia shall residence of the russian capital, or do you think there was a genuine? so that's 2 months ago. i think would be use relying upon these measures reassures people, but there will be law and order and they will not be any more of these outbreaks. and then again, i think so, i mean, we all know there's a military company going on and you know, these are kind of mentioned you have to accept. while at pittsville, i was to all of the show cross though there was a bit of a, a distinct on the line, but we certainly monies to hit what you had to say. thanks very much for joining us here on the news program future. but unstained in moscow, local authorities have announced a counter terrorist operation regime has been introduced in the capital. all, most public events in the city have been cancelled, and that's as

a police. cortez was seen a school thing, ministry vehicles, music from the in the hours of sunday morning. so you can follow all the latest developments of the russian mitchell group, bonus rebellion, and of course, much more on our website oxy. don't pump meanwhile, over in the ukranian capital video footage circulating on social media reports and he shows debris from an ad defend system after it's still kind of palm and building in the cities may have it's all the clips goes as the incident was paused by an operating era announce ukrainian side on a residential area in don't boss where one the civilian has been killed and one wounded and he has a late to strike on the done yet. script public is all teaser on the cost of with more details. a maria problem that was sleeping in her bed when that ukrainian shell struck her house. this is where she was sleeping

right at this place. this tray took place there around uh, 4 pm. you can see that holes right here, or rather shrapnel holes from multiple launch rockets system shows, chief survives miraculously, or please have a nice at the time of the showing. i was at home lying here, then everything buzzed. i was scared to death, then lost consciousness. later i woke up, the windows were smashed fragments of shells. i hit the wall right near me. i can no longer even sleep. they shoot night and day to ukraine, launched at least 6 shell from multiple launch walk a systems cold grad. this house was completely destroyed her woman 58 years old. she was in her bedroom during the strike. she was killed instantly. her husband tried to save her, however,

he received her concussion as well hold that remains of this house right now, is this dog she continues to guard the house, not knowing that his owners are now gone. well, the man he survives, but he's now to off this old job offers are fighting for his life most we've lived here was a man trying to find his wife. there was their bedroom here. everything was on fire and i climbed into this window. his wife was lying at the entrance to that room under the rumble. i could hardly see her to strike him in the corner of the house where his wife was. unfortunately, she had no chance to survive. another neighbor and i dragged to the man. now we barely managed to do so in time. then it was hell, everything burned and rattled, there was smoke everywhere. such things are not uncommon. we're already a custom to merely surviving. we are on the outskirts health bore lift.

this particular house has come under shedding at least 3 times in the last month alone. there are absolutely no military positions anywhere around here. whoever civilians in this place are constantly facing or rising attempts by ukraine and threats against their lives. for monica, offer of archie, don't ask for a public for the latest on that's ongoing. stand off between the russian military and wagner, p. m. c. do checkouts on telecom tunnel plan is be discussed and i'll see you right back here in just over 30 minutes. the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is often has very dramatic. only personally,

i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very create ticket of time. time to sit down and talk the

the i'm action or time. see and welcome back to going on to grab real go single, around the world from do by in the you a, do you remember the famous words of and they do as president ronald reagan, new cable cannot be won in less than ever before to afford decades on from that address you as president joe biden, this week declared, the threat of tactical nuclear weapons use is real stopping short of saying, the end of the world is imminent. and just as russian nuclear weapons were being delivered in belarus, a former adviser and president pigeons administration made global headlines on the war in europe after calling for new dia strikes in order to save humanity process

today, kind of gone off on re chapman of the presidium of rushes council for foreign and defense policy was the advisor, and he joins me now exclusively from moscow for an exclusive interview. thank you so much. that provides a guy gotten a fire coming on the show more then the beller was the delivery of russian tactical nuclear weapons. your article and roger and global affairs created headlines. as i said, seymour hersh devoted to a sub stack to it's a he runs that column where he expose the north stream attack by the, by the administration. just briefly summarize for audience what you actually said about the need to attack, use nuclear weapons to attack european cities to end this war and perhaps to save more people than they would kill no. the extra i didn't. polls for you use of nuclear weapons. of course, i mean i said that unfortunately it's all kinds of reasons. um, where are we living through or a few or you have some gigi for their presentations,

75 years of peace. and let people forget about the horrors of war and the new blood disorders is still going to work. i mean, yeah, and think about these. i believe in the west coast. yeah. is ways you can get from the war on the borders, including the, all the new, a simple power that it was on single. and also digging into the situation where the west is going and it is received in the declaration model and take a look at nomics regulation. and activation only means, like by uncomfortable conclusion that uh, the more we stay when more imminent, i global nuclear war becomes, or so my advice for those, those people thinking about the issue is to sleep the rest of stock. uh

they swore in the great retreat and then to do with their own met her. so instead of bumping up and the most of the and the more i'm not going for use of nuclear weapons, i have been towing people and a my why the older is that it we should start to climb the ladder of neutral insurance and installation and only for west doesn't come, all doesn't come to his senses for the rest of the day. most of the united states as a european is the most measure of the juncture. i mean, the only for the, the most to come and come to the assumptions, the nuclear office can be used that you did say, but you did say that russia should strikes nuclear, using nuclear weapons in a number of countries in europe. and i should just take issue with the piece when you speak over 75 years, most of a global sales audience. this thing in on this will nothing piece. i mentioned

reagan earlier, they know central america that he was the united states. and of course, you know, the us is still in syria and there hasn't been peace for 70 years. just explain what the counsel for for and the defense policy is i think people wrongly say that you were an advisor to coach and just explain the influence of this article has in russian policy thinking today, because sometimes people just say, oh, you're right there. i was led to be approved and then you're advocating tactical nuclear weapon use on europe and countries. and it's all about to happen next week . i know i'm, i'm uh, i'm not a former advisor or anybody and they have never been in that. in government council important defense policies, the oldest bomb, the communication in russia. um, uh, yeah. uh it is, i do 2 years old and older, sliding immunization from the time it is a, a group of enter berners journalists,

thinkers, businessmen who believe that they are responsible for the future or country and to that issue helps to devise a strategic course. i mean, we have done that many times during our long history. we also run many the sedation analysis for the government and uh for the public land and special research trying to influence public opinion, but to be a non governmental though, our son, well members of the region much responsible for the writings or other members or for reports of the, of the council are highest and fusions remote venture likes and the levels before and many others. but it is not a government organization and i know that for my advice, i'll get on. i think we've established, i mean, well, get on to some of your critics in,

in russia. but do you think that your uniquely able to understand the stakes of this war in your a because at once you were a member of the u. s. c, i a try that dro commission as it was found in famously by roc a fella with z a big they have brzezinski, alan greenspan. kissinger being a member of erik smith of google's, a gas tom of the british labor leader. you were once on that side. now you're full on russian patriot. disappointed by the end of that globally. that's why you work and understand what you understand and can write an article like this. and i was always on the side of the russian city during the years 30 years ago, i believed that we could integrate with the restaurant to him to the west. and that'll do the, and by the way, ah, ah, i see my movement who should have saved the rest of the changes. so

she for would've been a member of that community, but they didn't have on the whole end, the reasons really low. otherwise decided to be sure, rush away. so of course, i participated in all these institutions and commissions and the industry per phone b. i understand probably less than thinking better than anybody in russia or, and many in the west to, i mean it is take something to unite alexander, duke, and whose daughter was assassinated by the nature of backed forces in a sense of all kinds. just a people like aragon, all of a curious one day glorifying, was the west and the next, the extreme russian patriots. and of course of the bygone, the national security council spokesperson said to the middle times that uh, it's reckless and irresponsible. you said your article i,

i invited friendly i'm, i'm friendly for our fire because i believe it is my professional human and uh, uh and, but you are your test too bad because uh the issue is, uh, really the life or death of civilization. and of course, the rush usually the most ex. now of course, hopefully it will reading the use of nuclear weapons. but persuading the response of will and west with leaders who are degrading to stop and to retrieve of and the world war 3. the last one in the history of humanity, and that won't happen. and it is on the horizon i, i'm getting closer and closer to that is why i decided to write this article and to keep my thoughts of which i have been circulating around in moscow for quite

some by medical. these are degree with my false. so i'm disagree, so i'm agree, disagree public. how many would your favorite killing using those tactical nuclear strikes to avert the mass killing of a full fledge really fledged, a global new capable. as i, as i said, i mean the decision to use nuclear weapons is a terminal model challenge. carol model decision, norway, it will charge us or whoever would use it. and uh, but sometimes you have to choose uh, uh for the site and it should just stay after the account. uh, would you save the child uh, to or revise the child to save you to manage. uh, it is a philosophical,

uh, terrible choice. but i decided to become unpopular, taking the choice of savings, which amount is there a cost analysis? one can do that. the rich in moscow field things are going terribly and the war is being the while it's expose a terrible situation. the men's gift cards being a lie, all those years of negotiations being wasted, wildly vast majority of russia, the middle class is the middle class of the working classes. feel, you know what find the rushes on. the map is a great country again, not a week goes by have to say on this program that we show rusher is forging alliances with latin america or african southeast asia. and then in fact, the war signifies a new world order. the decline of western europe, perhaps for centuries, who knows, and certainly the decline of the united states as a hedge a month. my yes,

um, uh, russian. uh, i was chosen by history, although my do whoever o h and the to become, uh, the uh, agent of the savior yet. uh, but then the liberator of the so called the world. but we told no global majority of sancho global sales from the west. and you could we, i'm the mind of that. and we are undermining of the, uh, major cpr or to which you are then the west. again that i'll probably change years ago that new to the she get really was the foundation, the whole system of colonialism done then they'll go on is reach. i gave her the rest, the possibility literally, impuls is always to go. i cannot make an interest culture. and above all,

to suck a world gee, and be in his favor. that is finished because russia decided to fight. yeah, i mean, the day of the many russians, the opposed to a lot of improvements. political party said this was happening and should have happened a long time ago. what did you think over the phone to do with deputy and then the name of the institute international of that political and economic strategy saying your suggestion of using a nuclear tactical nuclear weapon on european cities was as helpful as a guillotine for a headache. and all those neutral sympathetic around the world will turn their backs the u. s. and they do a pumping equipment and now munition to, to europe. they are increasing their involvement. they desperately need to move by russia to isolated on the world stage. because a roger is not isolated and then an attack directly on using like an easter egg. basically you're optical your hours ago comes along. is it a coincidence.