like i've got a so we can change their mind. that's the go ahead. you're going to think less of me for saying this, and i apologize if you do, but i have to say it because i think it's something everybody else would think when they watch this. i'm looking at the lease. i don't see gang member. i don't see past can remember you have like a decent guy. somebody's dad, maybe somebody's grand dad. when i look at these guys with those tattoos on their faces. yeah, well i kind of see when i was 16, you would've seen the same to i don't have to have twos in my faces, but all those tattoos came okay. let's just go back to that you kind of which i know but true cause were rounded up in the thirties and forties people forget about that. they were rounded up and put in a special kind of tank. so you should be at, you kind of taking the county jail, mexican american. mean it's mexican american. yeah, no, a los angeles actually. yeah. and they were rounded up and by the 50s they created the 1st and largest prison gangs that became quite active in criminal activity. they became bigger that all the things that people couldn't imagine,

they put them in, send, quitting and thought, well, we're going to tied them in the same quitting, and actually became stronger the creative shoes. and the action became strongly the other prison gangs, other racial minorities who, but it was great in prison gangs. it got worse and worse. and the salvadorans bought a mazda, others that came as migrants news during the war's ended up in those wiles, they members, 13, been starting. no, salvador, it started in the late 18th street, was that you kind of game for 20 some years before the salvadorans and others got into 18 street. and that was, we're just continuing that against a cycle that gets worse and worse. and i, and are you go in and go to california, they're all the tattoos and their faces. it's worse and use in central murder. you see it all the time. but i, i work in the prison system for 40 years. i go and move them, that they're all there. what have we done? yeah, make is what? you know, what i'm saying? even when i wasn't, again, things are bad. we had done. people drive by the last 25 press by the time i was 18

in the sixties and early seventies and things have gotten worse and i think has to do with being tough on crime. putting people away do show with nice people not providing rehabilitation, not providing real resources and not giving them the average in males as a metaphor and rebuild their communities. this is why i think things have gotten back well, and you mentioned that vicious cycle i want to address that up. let's do this. we're going to take a break. but when, when we come back, i want to address that vicious cycle because that gets us into a conversation about our own foreign policy, which is perhaps the genesis of much of this we're talking with luis, i'm rodriguez. i'm really 1st hand knowledge about this gang situation that we're talking about. your stay there by the way, i have a pod cast where i as a journalist as about, you know, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story and i share with you what i've learned how to succeed, how to grow, how to fail. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to check it out and

i will see you there. but when we come back, let's go to that point. how is it that getting members in america who now end up going back when they're deported to their country, who end up recruiting new gang members? how that actually started in the fifty's and sixty's and seventy's and some and eighty's with our foreign policy in those countries. countries in latin america, i'll take you through it today, right? there will be right back the the, to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions

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european colonial empires. the welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. you know, one of the most amazing angles to this story is that the same immigrants who arrived in the united states as children that are now recruiting and training other children in places like el salvador and others to become gang members. just just like them and think about it that those children emigrate to the us are jailed here, deported that set back to their countries where they recruit the other children. talk about a vicious cycle right. talking to us once again is luis rodriguez rece, javier rodriguez, who can speak to this from, from real experience, from a life well, lived through some hardship. so what do you make of that?

i mean, i mentioned earlier, you know what we did in guatemala? i wish we hadn't done it, but you know, foreign policy is a funny thing and you can always go through history and find mistakes. but while you know our intervention during the reagan years in el salvador, in nicaragua, in honduras countries that we sort of destabilized you can, i'm not going to argue politics here. so i'm would say we needed to do it. so i would say we didn't, but whatever, whatever, whatever it is, the reason we did it, it had a blow back. and that blow back was we ended up with young boys here who had no fathers who came from those disastrous situations. and then they became delinquents, and from delinquents, they kind of grow into hardened criminals. how does that happen? well, they may have to do some more, which is bad, you know, but then they end up in another words on the inner cities of america, which has, she kind of gangs has religion. cripps has a gang side of chicago wherever they landed, but and,

but let's say just like they got very close to that you kind of body or say, living in bottles of what you guys have been to 4234 generations now. and not that you guys are getting married with a gang members a hardon, and they've been to a long time they became integrated in those gangs. here's what happens though, and 92, there's a piece of gorge finding that little solver doing but in the us, under a democratic present because it's, i think there's a democrat and republican problem. it's a problem for both of them. besides to report them, these are kids that were raised here. their tattoos came from here. i wasn't also, i'm during the eighty's, they didn't have to have dues. then have that kind of getting back together there. there's the people that were crim, but nothing like us. we put in a whole culture from at least streets down there with nothing, no skills and nothing short. they didn't even know i went on what, what was a journalist when i was a corresponded cnn. i was once assigned to cover that and i took it upon myself. i called the the folks with immigration who do this kind of thing. and i said,

i want to be on the plane. i want to go and they said ok, you can go, your journal is up. they took me on the plane, i was, i was able to find out many of the people who were on those planes and being sent back to these countries. i went with them to uh uh to uh, i believe it was. busy was uh, hunters and there was a god but uh, i remember they didn't speak spanish and when they let them go for the plan, they went there and they said they were americans and they were, they were, how did they look badly, but didn't come great. it together, they began to become go, he so and because the countries are still poor, all these countries are talking about under is quite a model. sometimes they're so poor that they had a world that they can work in and, and even not all of them, but they comply the criminal knowledge i got from california to prison. and that's where you see the expensive for bit. i was there in 93. i was talking to these guys are barely putting their talk to face things by and by the time i came back in 20, in the early 22000,

they were all now they were cohesive. now they've included new kids that were lost for kids that know where to go. they use deputies, allie, guys. these guys were tough and tattooed, and it would be look up to him because these kids were all alienated. they didn't know what to do where to go, and then they begin due to larger numbers. deportations that we did impacted these countries without sending these kids properly. so before careful. yeah, and i get it because then they went there and then they recruit others who aren't in the gang live, but they teach them the gang live, they get hardened, sometimes they get deported or they may immigrate to the united states cuz they have clean records. nobody knows who they are. yeah, they come here and they get arrested and it, it just continues is worse and worse. and then they give it portrait again. you know, so we created and i was talking about the us policy is your okay, we got we understand. so i would. busy heads up handing it, everybody's got ahead and it's breaking down our family's poverty, but our policies have contributed to all these to the violence. and then i was

there when we were trying to change that in the us government stain as you can negotiate with gangs, you can ok, can do nothing. stephen brought rudy. god juliani to our salvador in guatemala, where he said, put them all away when, because doing is truly honest. i, i don't know pretty cool. this is juliano kimball. they paid him millions of dollars when i was going and also i'm affraid myself. nobody gave me money, but he did pay to move the dogs to come in there and said, let's put them on a wait and look. and what color is doing exactly what this is? this is a policy that we tend to show in this country too often where we just don't want to talk to people we'd rather for some reason, we'd rather have enemies then develop ways to get along. you know, whether it's a china policy, the way we treat russia, the wars we get into in the middle east. i mean, we could go down the list of things that we have in here at our end country. the way we often use the fist rather than the open hand, now i get it to,

there's times when you need to use the 1st one when someone's a piece of you know what? you need to put them away and they really are bad. but if you make that decision too early you, you, you create the possibility that you're making the problem worse and that, and i think i get, although there's a part of me that i have to ask you this. my my father passed away last year and i still listen to this day. but i remember he always told me, he said son, i grew up rough. i only have a 4th rate education. i was shining shoes for a living in my country in cuba. and i had p bad guys all around me all the time, i saw a guy smoking marijuana and doing drugs and stuff, but i never did drugs that ever smoked marijuana. and i always, why is my dad could have figured that out get these other people figured out what, what is, what's the more of getting life that gets to these kids? and why couldn't the way to avoid this? isn't this just make clear that most of it billions in the us and, and also doing

a good job by the hard course of course. yeah, we're enjoying it. we're not a way to talk here, but yeah, and so we're talking about and they raise their kids even with no money for they raise their kids the best it can. we're talking about kids to sort through the cracks. what can we do to staff those cracks because i far to get back to my from none of my business suitcases, grab the gang, my mother and father word card. why do i have parts of the crack? you know, and i've written books about it, why some guy like me would do that. and then also how some guy like we could get out of it. you know, you mentioned how i look pretty good up to you. funny story. i went to president, north carolina, 210, all black. i walk there because he said his guy was a former game memory that oh, this book. they looked at me, i walked in through there and they laughed at me. and i looked like the janitor or their uncle, they even said it wasn't my uncle whenever they were laughing at me. but i came in there or walked in there to they didn't think i was a hey, we do it again. but once i went through, i walked up and start telling my story. i talked to him with a when to start reading by audrey. they were still happening. listen. and by the

time i got through, they gave me a standing ovation, was the youngest people can change. i look this way now because i've changed for many years. my son did 15 years and previously see him. he looks like a real positive young man. he wasn't that way when he forgot it to prison. people do change and even enough that i work with a guy that zip 30 years in prison for murder. he was a shot kind of one of the big gangs here in that lake. now he's going into the juvenile house and helping get the game permission because he's teaching a biology and drawn me, he's changed their lives. i know it can happen. and that's what i, that's my story. we need to do more that just kind of in money, not enough support. there's just not enough, but when we do it, it works. why don't we do it? i mean is there, do we mentioned this earlier, and i'm not sure i got a proper response for it, but the, the, do you think it's greed? do you think about when people make too much money on prisons to us for us to do a other way and going back to even though so i wonder how much money would take to

keep somebody in prison? there's a whole industry here how to fund you're creating a huge and shadowy st. just california, all the states, but california led most of the big, huge, giant mass incarceration system. and now we're doing california. now we're trying to change that. we're trying to reflect the present. we're trying to get people out of that we're trying to give. we're trying to help. i'm not saying it's going perfect, but we're trying to do something. lease how we're rodriguez. uh, thanks so much for taking the time to take us through this very personal experience and this part of the story. thank you. once again in my honor, thank you for we go i, i want to remind you that why we do interviews like this when we think they're different. we have a mission. that's really pretty simple. we want to be silo. the world. i mean, we've got, and we've got to stop thinking in terms of this and that, and little boxes, you know, you've got to be on the right of the left to this side of that side. truths. don't live in boxes, troops live everywhere, right. how much sanchez,

are we looking for you right here for i help to provide a direct impact the the the as a, how are they a cps? because they kept the store for i'd be as a to and then use familiar. e mail futures. great if and

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now. i'm gonna put them out that they give us together the shares. i appeal to russians, the military and security agent. those have been pushed into the tops of on the inside and see by the seats in the right place. this is an attempt on the rush hour or not people were even our options to protect the fight, suck, stretched to the top. the russian president vladimir present addresses the nation on the bog, no rubber valley, and the real stuff, region corn and get an attack on rupture and its people of the country will defend itself from internal freezer or the head of the mc. wagner group, if you have any precaution claims that roll stops. military facilities, including at the air field, are under the groups control sides of the russian ministry of defense. as the fighters being dragged into a quote,

criminal adventure orders them to lay down their arms. recycle authorities here in moscow, launching antique terrorist measures strengthening controls on the roads. us military vehicles have been seen near the kremlin. the quite a few are just joining us. welcome to an old eyes are on moscow and the kremlin in fair to say the world is captivated by what's happening in ruptures. southwest right now, we continue our breaking news for you this out and have a ton of updates for you as well. all those guilty of treason will be severely punished. that's from the russian president in his address to the nation, calling wagner embassies, rebellion a quote, stop in the back and the threat to run from state hood. i'm going to share, he's going to, i'm addressing oldest citizens of russia. so the armed forces,

lower enforcement agencies and special services the fight. is it commodities and now in that block of issuance? so those are fighting against any media type things by you doing this for a relatively the last night i spoke to the commodities in old areas as my i'm also addressing those who have been deceived onto the top of the grave crime and on for values. today, a brochure is fighting for its future goal fighting against aggression from neo nazis and them off to at least $12.00 against us. as part of the military with inflammation and economic power of the west. the images are with fighting for the life and security of all people who draw sovereignty and independence for right to be. i agree with you to remain in russia. is it a country with a 100 year old host? right? yeah. what you, it's a bottle with the sites of all nation is being decided much in those and it causes us all to be united. with unity is of consolidation and responsibility. we really need your immunization and everything that makes us week our must be put aside to about the i see any differences that may be used in all used by all enemies to

disrupts us from within the shade. so. so the actions that splits all unity um basically renegade, and it's against those fighting and the from city that's the, it's a stop in the box against our country and all nice super for looks you and this stop was delta russia in 1972 we, while the country was fight seeing well, well, what was that before? it's victory was stolen from me. so what would that, what intrigues and bickering behind the nations bodies? 10 digits of a great catastrophe and actually get used to it. let's have a destruction of the army on the collapse of the states, but it was the most of the cost territories. and the tragedy of the civil war. it was that when russians went against russia and easy enough, and when i'm brother went against brother, even the book and various adventurous, don't foreign forces, profiting amounts of them, told the country a popular kid wouldn't get it. we will not let that happen again. when you grow, we will defend our country, and all the sites had to go from any threat is discussed with including internal treason. identities is what we are facing now is for this reason,

you don't need the big organizations and personal interest. they have like the trial of one's country. one's nation. and the cost of which box is fights is and commodities were fighting along with the armed forces of the towns and villages of dumbasses, where they followed the world and gave their lives to the new russia. that's the unity of the russian. well, the name and glory have been betrayed by those who were trying to organize in on for 1000000000 position, pushing the country towards on a key on fratricide and ultimately to defeat and capitulation. when you will please pete. any internal rebellion with the deputy threats while stated that to us as a nation here on the i'm be, it's a blow against russia even against how people at all action to defend all mob alons against such as the threats will be harsh deal. does it go to all those who deliberately went on the poplar trees in the upper pedant on verbally and you end up preparing terrorist attacks when a negatively be punished except to worry about valley. so they will be able to held

accountable by know, by still keep the bus beyond full system, given the necessary or waste ways you can use the additional empty terrace security measures have been imposed in most got you the most or region and a number of other regions stuff with a decisive measures will be taken to stabilize the situation and run it all on done, which still remains difficult of the what of the civil a minute to the organs of governance is essentially blocked. the way of moving is, as president of russia now, come on to mention that as a citizen over russia to come up, i will do everything in my power to defend the country, to defend its constitution, most of the lives of security and liberties of its citizens with those who organized and prepare the item for balancing the stones tons, weapons against they come back home, right? so we will be trade rush off. they'll lift, which will be held accountable for that, or you can get them to those who are being drawn into the way that goes. i cooled upon you not to repeat the grave and tragic mistakes and something that any participation in these criminal actions,

whatever on the see what i'm sure that we will defend and protect what is the site put to us together with all motherland to mean we will either come any all deals with them. we'll be coming with even strong gasket. we'll, we'll see it through you. but did you want to look at every single minute here at all? here, international we are getting updates here in moscow for also sifting through an awful lot of unconfirmed videos and reports. and while we do well to iron it all out and get the right confirmation that we need to. moultrie, different reports coming in, let's say, 100 over the now to all these original mazda in just for a minute, breaking down the detail. so the russian president, speech or the russian president virus wouldn't address the nation, explains that the full national security machinery of the russian federation has been mobilized to address these enemy attacks. he put all this in a historical context, this way that it is similar to what russia dealt with in world war one in 1917. just to recall what happened in that situation. the germans and their turkish allies locked the eastern ports of the russian federation,

put some pressure on russian forces at the time, and that resulted in vickery and fighting and mutiny, and ultimately the dissolution of the solidarity that enables russia to fight back in that particular event. so he's making a parallel to this, saying that there is definitely a threat not only to the nation, but also to the unity of the russian federation. and the people who are fighting on the front lines and its interest. he pointed out that there were people who were deceived on the past of a great crime and making reference to the people who are organizing this movement, these actions. and he never really addressed exactly who would be doing the deceiving. but he did mention that russia is fighting against the entire western information and military machinery. so there could be an indication that he

mentioned that right after we mentioned the idea of deception. and the president also said that anti terrorism measures are being put in place in various regions between the moscow region and, but also other regions. and that's the situation in are all stuff on dawn is on the point of being stabilized. and that that's a priority. as well, what's very interesting about this talk from the russian president, as he mentioned several times that this is a very existential crisis and threats against the country. right. and he pointed out that unity is now more important than ever, given the threats that the country faces. we're getting a incoming comments right now from the pmc wagner, chief if any pedagogy. and he has denied all accusations of trees and he claims that he's saving the country from ruin. blaming the ministry of defense for the current crisis. so is this a rebellion? is it a ministry mutiny?

let's try and get a clearer picture now with authors equal to a quick reminder. it will begin on friday when we had done the founder of the wagner group. you've done you precaution, he accused the russian defense minister yields shelling one of its trainings sites deep from the home front. the russian defense ministry denied all such claims. they said that it was the video that was posted by the telegram channels affiliated with the wagner groups. uh, which was important to show the aftermath of the shelling. they said it was fake and that nothing of the sort happened. but you can, you precaution who was already held bend on uh, continuing and it is now now that in hindsight it can be we can say that he had it all planned in advance. and this is like a, it's like a chess game for him. and he did obviously saw that if you move that head on the right now, he's just playing his hand. and the only thing that might change,

whatever he's about to do is the address by the russian president vladimir put because you can, you progression has been questioning the authority of the russian military come on for a long time. but he has always said that he is on the side of russia, and he answers to the russian people and to the russian president vladimir putin, himself. this is the only authority, but he agreed to admit and to accept. so now, well again, vladimir put and made it very clear what he thinks about this gamble of you've given you precaution. wagner, chief is saying that his forces have taken control. now if a local ass failed and a military command center, mr. pitt goshen appeared in the video conducting tolts with russia's deputy defense administer, but also military intelligence chief, all the best and real stuff on the same subsidies we are at the headquarters. at 7 30 am, rest stops, military facilities including its air fields were taken under control, plains,

leaving for combat as well.