the documents would be safe and secure, this thoughts having set so i would also empty to them. i'll send you the loops that they should give up their um, send come to the negotiating table and discuss the issues with the president of allowing me to put in and is and i'm sure that across that table, i mean go share that separate man can be ad arrived at as such, lots to i on those 10 if like russia is going to a very bonded of a situation right now. already it has been a lot of repeat your praying for so long and better has been no game, no loss so far. added to both the countries, us top 3 you create and as well as that actually i'm many sort of just being motto on both sides and hundreds of cv. liam's have been killed on both sides. so it is a notary ton water as such. and in that kind of a situation vend this in the middle. cool, by the rag. and now the group takes place off kind of our ramp alien things to be

comes to all the most devastating s 10 stand for the fan. patrick is, is very, very important. that it has to be caution on all sides and people have to be safe and secure as such. and what, what the issue was are and walk over the big concerns and the accusations and sounds. so that gives a sense of, i'm sure all these can be discussed spread fast. you both sides are willing to talk to each other, then come to a negotiating table as such. and in my understanding back to be the best spots that will be out to and i'll be at the funding, just want to, i say things you say thank you for for such kind words and, and such measured statements as well. and, and i, i had my, your, your optimism, so for a come out, but appreciate, you know, fair play. nice was indeed, what about, what about the timing of all of this mr. do to, i mean, you know, you've had the wagner group has been well successful in, in the crime and confident whether it was the off drum of school back moved. that

was a huge, huge, long term battle. there are the wagner groups essentially taking the credit for being successful there. and then i guess since june, the 4th is a these ukranian counter offensive instead of essentially they will basically failed even that was being even confined by western politicians in the west, in preston. and yet off to such a success, i guess of the wagner group working with the russian military there in ukraine. now, there seems to be some dissension in the rings. mr. silver come out. do you see any? did you see any timing in this at all? that's the timing, actually it surprises me. and as i say that it is that the very bottom that above moment as such and rough, i do understand this. like probably there must be some elements inside and outside law, adding fuel to the fire and as such. and uh, i do understand that the rack and the blue pad font and the and with that i've seen

soldiers so far in the ukraine conflict. and it seems like a red flag sucks us for the same data, initial and bills are sending data, apply a thing as such. you know, and to bed has been quite a lot of success, which the rack and the group had. colleen, you've been told these claims can not be verified because the rest and sources and the wisdom forces do have accounts of claims. so it's very difficult to, very, you know, legitimize as to reach clay. this got back to know, walked on 8 ago as such. but what i do understand is like the rack is uh, uh, uh, is the um, to a private, mostly nearby. and they seem to be very thoughtful with a lot of sophisticated weapons same day at hand. and, but really i'm option down and it seems as far as i understand the information which we are getting, i think they are trying to march to a small school as such. and that is a dangerous situation. in my understanding,

the timing seems to be very bonnet above and it seems to be a little surprising as far as you know, when it's ready and they're very complex kind of a scenario. now this will be the, so it seems it was a very calculate that move on thoughts of the chief of the reg know through. and i think he has tried to tripod at the most vulnerable of the timing at the most of find out about the situation and to negotiate at the highest level. that is what i understand. that must be his strategy, a sense. what else? some interesting comments are indeed from us, so for all come, i'll do the political then a foreign policy x by joining us during this breaking news on the international. really appreciate your time and your insight. thank you very much. i the video posted a bit earlier showed the wagner chief in the military headquarters in the last off, apparently holding folks with rushes deputy defense minister and military entail

chief and then one more video pedagogy and also claims as forces and taking control overall stuff. sandfield and the military come on center drive. we are at the headquarters at 7 30 am, rest stops, military facilities, including its air fields were taken under control, which is planes leaving for combat as well as humanitarian flights are working. as usual, there's been no problem. assume you until you type, mine's a place to buy wagner forces or a police scene at the entry points to the city all for all stuff. want on the allowed last. and sounds of gunfire. well, who knew the southern military district headquarters with the locals? as you will see, film to running away from the scene of all good troops are also seen right there on the top of the army facility. and the regions governor has been using locals essentially to stay at home. meanwhile rushers, special traction forces have been seen in a city just a few kilometers from graft off. of course,

one overall mind cost to represent the center and brings us this update. pull the stands off here in a sense overall stuff, but continues to the people in military uniform or for a private military company. wagner, us fil a blocking off the streets. uh right next to the ministry headquarters here in the rust off on dawn now. uh there were quite a few people here. uh, earlier, however, uh, shots were fired. were heard an explosion as well. and people started just running away from this place. i could have been uh, the reason for that could have been one of 2 things. uh, they don't want any civilians here in case something is going to happen. if uh they will try to take the headquarters the military headquarters by a storm. i. however, a short while a while later the people returned and are once again standing, trying to find out what's going to happen next. as we understand,

were heard from various news sources that police from the church and republic are coming here to and will this illegal happening? what's uh, what's going on here? and at that point, hopefully always civilians will be gone. now, i've heard people from the wagner private and it is their company streaming it. civilian says, saying that there's going to be an air strike and basically trying to scare the people away from this place. tried to scare them straight. well, we will remain here for now as the situation unfolds, vermont calls for a marty raw cellphones on. let's bring up some new pictures for you and update the story here. and i'll let you international the suburbs of what on you edge. i me, 8 helicopter, reportedly made a hard landing with one post instead of being injured in the incident. they are conscious believe to of being taking part in bottles between the russian army and

wagner fighters in the city itself of vog note soldiers reportedly attempted to shoot down their russian. all we had to come to look at this very closely. this sort of chest. you'll see the have you called the employees, flashes and the missile essentially misses the trouble by just a few made doesn't go shooting and the positive very, very close shave of the pilot costs as well. oh, there it is, right, the whole. so when i put on edge a large file raging, it an oil deal for more than a $105.00 is perfectly baffling. those flames we understand also the no casualties of her forehead. yes, we do though, have this report from one level correspondence to go do not use it. it's about $1232.00 residents of the left bank of for on this her, the strong with lack of to that to siren, was heard for its locks and an ambulance drove down the streets. now even from the city center, you can see smoke rising from the entrance to the city. judging by the review on social networks because of the fly, it was

a helicopter crash. the governor confirmed the fire, the oil facility has been extinguished. would have been more than $105.00 for it just attended the c, but do you the according to initial data, there are no victims, no video and so the explosion and for i begin to a year before any official conformation. at the same time authorities confirmed variational incumbent activities in the region of the entry of wagner, of private military company formations. accounts for terrorist operation has been implemented in the region. the russian authorities qualified this as an on to valley. and meanwhile, the russian defense ministry is brand new, the events, a criminal adventure by the wagner chief and said that many of the group soldiers had already laid down their arms. we appeal to the fight is still developing the beam, csl squats. you have been series, unit precautions, criminal, adventure, and participation in and insurgency. many of your cameras from several units have already realized their mistake seeking help to ensure

a safe return the replaces of permanent deployments. such assistance on l bought has already been provided to old fighters and commanders who have requested it. we ask that you show discretion and get in touch with the representatives of the russian municipal defense or law enforcement agencies. as soon as possible, we guarantee everyone's safety. to show you some pictures here, anaki international as a right here in the russian capital forces have been deployed to secure various approaches to the city of barricades have been set off as forces are formerly taken up positions in southern moscow. military equipment spotted at different sides moving all across the city with all my personal carriers stations along the highways on the main arteries to weston and southern. most now as well. local authorities of an outs counter. terror measures are now an operation in the capital of public events on canceled the situation though on the streets of pretty com

right now, frankly, on the streets here at moscow. the mass saying there are no restrictions on coming or going. although there are limitations on the use of personal transport means of communications and multiple checkpoints on the outskirts of moscow think put in place for extra security checks for media. busy goods and politicians, i've also been warned by auth, or he's against distorting official information. most goes, man has declared monday a non working day and announced the security. so because our in high a lot, a mid the counter terrorist operation in order to minimize risks, we have decided to declare monday, a non working day, with the exception of authorities in essential services, the military industrial complex city services. we ask you to refrain from traveling around the city as much as possible. traffic may be blocked in certain blocks and on certain roads, city services are operating on high alert. things are a little bit different as russian president vladimir put announced earlier,

anti terrorism measures have been put into place here in moscow, but also in the greater moscow region. and we have reports of checkpoints that have been set up and also national security personnel that are on alerts. now these anti terrorism measures have also been stood up in a nother city virt owners, which is about part way between here in moscow and are also found on where wagner group fighters faced off against russian military earlier. now what exactly does this mean? what are these measures? well the last time they were used was in 1991 during and attempted to by a communist party hardliners against then president mikhail gorbachev. and they're really, really rarely used, but exceptionally, in this particular case. and what they mean is that checkpoints are set up that interception of communications,

including email and telephone calls can occur. searches of bags or cars can occur at check points. people can also be asked to produce identification. so these measures are really exceptional. but um, for now, people are out and enjoying the weather and things don't seem to be too much different here in downtown laska. well meantime is beyond amazing. the escalates russian authorities of band websites affiliated with the wagner group, siding their inciting of violence among those restricted are a number of alphabets belonging to the patriot media group in various communities on social media. meanwhile, bought those assets of being searched and seized the authorities of confirmed the groups, offices and st. petersburg, copying and rated by the police security forces in the city also remaining on the high. a correspondent shape bows. now reports this morning in the city,

we did a visit several of mister precautions, ad business premises, somebody to confirm that several of them have now being rated and taken under control of the f s. b on here. at wagner's impressive corporate hage, q, just on the outskirts of st. petersburg, a significant military and security operation is underway. we believe the premises have been seized and are being searched at the moment. of course st. petersburg is a city of origin of, of, uh you have gainey pedagogy and this elusive and interesting entrepreneur of qualified as a pharmacist initially and then progressed into various businesses which culminated in 2015, which is foundation of the wagner, p. m. c. a private military contractor, which has grown into a very significant military force, of course, famous for it to work in back much fast. so in st. petersburg, the city is com

a. there's a, there's a large ash, jude and celebration on somebody which hasn't been canceled. people are getting on with their business, but there is a sense that at the kremlin and the government in moscow, particularly now that we've heard present improvements as set out, is still very clearly about the position in moscow. regarding mr. goshen and wagner, st. petersburg is quiet, but as we can see at the assets on the premises that belonged to mister per goshen . we can tell you that we have seen a f s b specialist center, those areas. well, the russian intelligence chief, i said, the wagner is attempt to spark a civil war has failed saying, quote, the russian citizens can discern whether truth really advise. i mean, while the heads of multiple russian subjects on the russian officials have a voice that support for the russian president, the good thing about dina bocavicius has always been with the russian presidents. and today, every citizen of the republic expresses their full support,

the president of the russian federation. lot of them are put in. no one is allowed to trample into the model. the names of our songs who died defended, no fatherland who died, protecting future generations. as i'm absolutely sure that the situation will stabilize, the president will exercise his powers in full and companionable car as always will stand beside him for everything that is happening is a knife in the back and the real mutiny. i have repeatedly warned that war is no design for voice, impersonal grievances, and resolving disputes behind our lines. it's about stability, about the gauging of the state, about the security of citizens. there is no justification of such actions. i fully support every wood of light to move, let emerge, boots in the fighters of the administrative defense, and the russian national guard in the church of republic have already said of the areas face intentions will do everything to preserve the unity of russia and

protect it statehood. the senate, the timber regions, supports the president fully the guarantor of the constitution and has a clear understanding of how important it is to have responsible and consolidated position from the whole of society. residents and leadership of all subjects of the federation. without exception in this current situation. well, it made reports of ongoing clashes and the south of russia. the russian president held a telephone call with his tuck, his counterpart, and also expressed his support for the kremlin as not to my food. and his also maintaining comes with the heads of neighboring states by the rule. so it's becca stone and has ex dawn to keep them informed on how this entire situation is unfolding. and it was the major media. well, they were very quick to pick up the story fair play to them. headlines though, speculating of a coo and well originally quoting and verified information that did add fuel to the media file. reuters, for example, the reporting and anonymous sol saying the agency, the,

that the wagner had taken control of the city of what all engaged information that had already been negated by the regional officials who live in the center of that town. well, let's take this conversation further crossing live out a tough question, john, let's see. just an ex con, who's joining us here for the continuation of operating news on how to international a very well welcome to you today, sir. thank you very much for coming on the program so quickly as well. totes the a was very quick to give it's backing as a post in a mid this crisis, i present the other one, phoning, his counterpart in moscow. how do you read into that? essentially an immediate show of support from ankara. how do you read between those lines, mr. account? a number of analysts would agree that and cut a stance on the matter even since the early stages of the conflicts which currently um or is a matter of concern for a number of countries within the region. i'm going to spence has always been firm and adamant on kind of stance, and particularly the turkish presidents are the one has confirmed and time and time

again suggested that much of the western blog should sit down and have dialogue with russia with moscow, particularly the russian presidents to ensure that there's a peaceful resolve, of course that can only happen if these meters in question sits and come together to discuss what issues remain. and based on the support that i'm kind of issued, it's not much of a surprise on kind of has for time and time again, this displayed a strong stance and support of democracy or in this sense and supports of hosting out people through elections as opposed to military intervention and the rebellion that has been undertaken by the wagner group suggests of vast. h is not in line with values the on kind of represents. and if we were to take a look at how the west of approach this as well as a, as opposed to just bunker down the track of steps on the matter. the west has also been very, very, a tassel in how it approaches the matter. the united states issue,

the statement saying that it is monitoring the situation very closely, but also consulting with its allies allies, particularly in europe. countries and officials from the european union suggest that they are watching this closely. countries such as the u. k. it's in the germany, ron's belgium suite in norway. the list goes on in the sentiment is particularly the same that they are monitoring the situation. and based on how the developments unfold, they will have a better understanding of how they're going to react. however, a institute in the united states for the study of worst suggests to have a better understanding of what the general stance on the matter is. they suggest that this rebellion will not be successful, will be it that it does come with a set of difficulties and consequences. it's a, it's, it's interesting the missed the account. and when you think about today, when all of us started firing off, i guess it was very late last night. but, you know, early this morning i rushed to the russian present regarding my boots and gets a phone call from his friend or the one of the one. of course the president of

talked to a member. busy of nato, and of course, we know that nato is deeply entrenched in a conflict in ukraine. some people might say, wow, is not strange. nato was courting, must go to show support to moscow with a time of a possible minute treat mutiny that that's being carried out. i mean, i know that washington and brussels, they've kind of looked out of the one over the years. it's a bit of a problem child with certain relationships that he does have with people that nature does, nobody's like, but how would you think, but the nato leadership will, will react to out of the one reaching out to moscow and punching his support. and you mentioned something just earlier and your question, you said, is it not strange? to be honest, it is strange, of course, because yes, turkey is a nato member. and so now i, but let's not forget that truck is also one of the very few nations that are currently being ostracized for stats and i'm cut his stats on the matter has always been one. yes, turkey is a part of the nato,

and i understand that there are responsibility that comes with thoughts alliance and that partnership. however, i'm kind of status has also been that the western block for the most part has not been very understanding. and where on cut or turkey sits geographically much of the complex in, in our owns it's region. and let's not forget, there has been support shown by products president are the one to russian president bloody puts in. but let's not forget that turkey and russia have been on the opposing sides of the battlefields throughout time. and i'm not going to talk about ancient history before the establishment of the turkish republic. if we take into consideration libya, syria, uh, even azerbaijan. and even just this general crisis that's ongoing in ukraine, the 2 countries have been opposing each other on the battlefield, regardless of where they stand. politically, geographically, geo, politically, the 2 leaders of the nations have always come to some sort of an agreement that regardless of what happens on the field that we as leaders can come together. and this is the general understanding the on could of has similarly, there was

a 2 attempt in searcy a few years ago. and much of the western block was very quick to actually support that notion of ousting a sitting president that was elected diplomatic, really fun most likely was during it was during not cool mr. account. that actually it's not an it person contact the bank or a and actually gave or the one that heads up to get out of the area because there was a western stage crew to kick them out. i took his job unless you have seen an account which we have more time. thank you so much for joining us. we'll see you soon. thank you. bye. just so what is that here? well, i think it's a national was so much happening here at moscow, and of course, in russia's southern regions of ministry musically on the way by the bog and a group big oceans, many reportedly marching on moscow. and if indeed they do arrive at might be around 10 pm local time, but most go has been secured with gunman and radar defenses position to own across the city. one of the day, nikki aramis. hey, with your latest update shortly during what's some according history and then making others according to get a massive qualification for the meantime,

the visits off the into the fabric sanchez and, you know, i've been doing news now for what 30 years, 2 different languages all over the world and here in the us, i've interviewed for president's front of the 1000000 dollar business, and i believe new should be honest, directed, impactful. and that's why we call this show direct impact. the . i want to start by showing you some pictures that are going to be hard to take your eyes off of both because it's hard to look at them. i mean, because it's hard to look away. i mean, tell me, as you look at some of these, see this, they almost looks real. don't say these are gang members, but not just any gang members. many of not,

most of them belong to the notorious criminal gun model, solve up through job or m. s. 13 is, are often referred to credited with being one of the worst gangs of the western hemisphere. and you know what, they look it. huh. they look at the government of all, salvador has been rounding them up more than 60000 of these characters and they've built a prison that's going to house as many as 40000 of them. i think about that for a minute. a prison for 40000 criminals, mostly gang members. all who seem to look eerily similar. there are 2 things that i find striking about these images as i'm looking at them. maybe youtube, the tattoos and the crouch. i mean, look how they're shuttled from place to place and the most on dignified way. they're not allowed to look up if they're there so dangerous. and by the way, most would argue that they are, which is why they don't want them even making eye contact. and now let's talk about

the exaggerated face of the neck and the body tattoos which are in a strange and almost ironic way identifiable markers for these gang members. the tattoos are in some ways how they reportedly flaunt their membership in the gang. the self identify, right? it's also a sign, a deposition or the hierarchy in the gags. i didn't know that until i read up on it . these images of masses of human beings and this almost movie like setting spaces so perfectly un handled so machine like. so the humanizing, it says bizarre as anything we've ever seen. and the fact that the president of el salvador president now able kelly is committing to this even if it means violating their constitutional rights. seems. busy well, you know what, in some ways, understandable and, and in another way kind of worries some but what makes this story even more

interesting is a geo political angle, which comes with history. really let me tell you what the problem originates in a peculiar and very circular way in the united states, where many of these gang members come to and where they were once jailed. and then to port a. and how did they get to the us to begin with? they migrated to the united states over the past several decades when their countries were racked by wars and crews. and most. busy to outside interference from i hate to say it, but from us from washington in defense and for defense of multinational interest. one example, i'll just give you one, but us encourage the civil war in guatemala. we did because we didn't like the country's democratic democratically elected president that goes back to the 1950s, but the war lasted until 1996. and in the 1980 is our government destabilized other

countries like el salvador for re, for necessary reasons, are kind of gone. would say our state department would say combined all of these wars let do the depth of hundreds of thousands of people in massive migration moves in the us. those immigrants, mostly poor in the world, had a hard time fitting in many join gags and were eventually sent to jails where they became hardened criminals eventually they were deported back to their countries as gang members. and that is where this vicious cycle really takes all. i can't get through this, i explain this to you because i think we think it's important. always go beyond the headline and explain the genesis of the stories like this because otherwise you're never going to know. you just see it on the local news is some gang, but merc killed another game. remember we do this to better understand how we got to this point and i think it's important, you know, who else thinks it's important?

i wanna introduce you to a lease or a lease or lu rodriguez as we would say here that in the states as we all. 2 of our names angela sized or americanized he, he's an urban piece leader and often referred to as a gang intervention, a list. you know what? he cares about this. he's also a writer. he's a poet. uh, he's a community activist and someone i've had the pleasure of talking to before. so i, i bring him so he can give us a really, you know, on the ground perspective on this situation. we thank you so much for joining us. thank you. my pleasure. i guess you, i got to start with the pictures of when i 1st saw these videos, i've never seen anything like it. it looks almost so real. i use the word dehumanizing. what's, what was your impression when you looked at these pictures of these, of this round up of all these guys in el salvador and these present their building

for them as well. they're meant to demonize them. and so there's a lot of things they do. that's wrong. i'm not justifying gang members doing what they do well, people don't realize all is that these are human beings and you wouldn't be integrate capacity. and i know because i work with gang when we're like them. i've actually work with m. s. 13 and 18 street. i've actually been to a salvador for over 30 years. i've gone there working with them. i rented 10 presents there. i've been to what the, my life been imagined on doris. i spend many years and many people. um, so i know the kids that are currently traumatizing and common ties in others, they need to be given a lot of care to me. it's not about just putting them away. it's about giving them what i call the it's tougher to care for me than tougher to be on. uh, you know, just be a tough guy with them. you know, when, when look at it has done is created a bigger game.