so it wasn't a gang of chicago, it's been almost 15 years in prison. there were both doing good right now. we're helping others. we change people's lives. and i've been doing this for many years. and i remember in the early seventies when we were getting hard core gang members, because you either got told me that these kids and m as their team, they're hard core. but i've met hardcore people, but only i, i've got to say we can change their mind at least so glad you're going to think less of me for saying this. and i apologize if you do. but i have to say it because i think it's something everybody else would think when they watch this. i'm looking at new lease. i don't see gang member. i don't see past can remember. you have like a decent guy. somebody's dad, maybe somebody's grand dad. when i look at these guys with those tattoos on their faces. yeah. well, i kind of me, when i was 16, you would've seen the same to i don't have to have twos in my faces, but all those tattoos came okay. let's just go back to that you kind of which i know by true cause we're round it up in the thirties and forties people forget

about that. they were rounded up and put in special and she kind of taxis. we have to kind of taken the county jail, mexican american, this means mexican american. yeah. no. a los angeles actually. yeah. and do a rounded up and by the 50s they created the 1st and largest prison gangs that became quite active in criminal activity. they became bigger that all that things that people couldn't imagine. they put them in, send quitting and thought, well, we're going to tie them inside quitting. and they actually became stronger the creative shoes. and the action became stronger than other prison games, other racial minorities who but it was great and present gangs, it got worse and worse and the subject dorians, lot of mazda, others that came as migrant me during the war's ended up in those vials, they members, 13 been starting, no salvador, it started and down 8 and 18 street was that you kind of game for 20 some years before the doors and others got into 18 street and the ones we're just going to join that against a cycle and it gets worse and worse and i, and are you go in,

go to kind of funny, they're all the tattoos and their faces. it's worse and use in central more. do you see it all the time? but i, i work in the prison system for 40 years. i go and move them, that they're out there. what have we done? yeah. make these what? you know, what i'm saying? even when i wasn't again, things are bad. we had done. people drive by. i last 25 friends. by the time i was 18 in the sixties and early seventies and things have gotten worse, and i think has to do with being tough on crime, putting people wage issue with nice people not providing rehabilitation, not providing real resources and not giving them the average and they. busy as a metaphor and rebuild their communities. this is why i think things have gotten back well, and you mentioned that vicious cycle i want to address that up. but let's do this. we're, we're going to take a break. but when, when we come back, i want to address that vicious cycle because that gets us into the conversation about our own foreign policy, which is perhaps the genesis of much of this we're talking with luis,

have you had rodriguez? i'm really 1st hand knowledge about this gang situation that we're talking about. you stay there by the way. i have a pod cast where i as a journalist as a lot, you know, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story and i share with you what i've learned how to succeed, how to grow, how to fail. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to check it out and i will see you there. but when we come back, let's go to that point. how is it that getting members in america who now end up going back when they're deported to their country, who end up recruiting new gang members? how that actually started in the fifty's and sixty's and seventy's and some and eighty's with our. busy our foreign policy in those countries, countries in latin america, i'll take you through it today, right? there will be right back. the the,

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the of the welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. you know, one of the most amazing angles to this story is that the same immigrants who arrived in the united states as children then are now recruiting and training other children in places like el salvador and others to become gang members. just just like that. and think about it that those children emigrate to the us are jailed here, deported. that's set back to their countries where they recruit the other children . talk about a vicious cycle right?

talking to us once again is luis rodriguez rece, javier rodriguez, who can speak to this from, from real experience, from a life. well, lived through some hardship. um, what do you make of that? i mean, i mentioned earlier, you know what we did in guatemala? i wish we hadn't done it, but you know, foreign policy is a funny thing and you could always go through history and find mistakes. but while you know our intervention during the reagan years in el salvador, in nicaragua, in hong doris countries that we sort of the stabilized, you can, i'm not gonna argue politics here. so i'm would say we needed to do what some would say we didn't, but whatever, whatever, whatever it is, the reason we did it, it had a blow back. and that blow back was we ended up with young boys here who had no fathers who came from those disastrous situations and then they became delinquents, and from delinquents, they kind of grow into hardened criminals. how does that happen? well, they may have to do some more, which is bad, you know,

but then they end up in another words on the inner cities of america, which has, she kind of gangs has religion. cripps has a gang side of chicago wherever they landed, but and, but let's say just like they got very close to that you kind of body or say, living in bottles of what you guys have been there for already. 234 generations now . and not that you guys are getting married with the gang members of harden and they've been a long time they became integrated in those gangs. here's what happens though, and 92, there's a piece of gorge, find the law solver doing but then to us, under a democratic present because there's, i think there's a democratic republic and problem. it's a problem for both of them. besides to support them. these are kids that were raised here, their tattoos came from here. i wasn't also, i've during the eighty's, they didn't have to have dues. then have that kind of getting back together. there's, there's the people that were crim, but nothing like us. we put in a whole culture from eli street down there with nothing, no skills and nothing short. they didn't even know i went on what i was a journalist when i was

a corresponded cnn. i was once assigned to cover that and i took it upon myself. i called the the folks with immigration who do this kind of thing. and i said, i want to be on the plane. i want to go in. they said ok, you can go your journal. and so they took me on the plane. i was i was able to find out many of the people who were on those planes and being sent back to these countries. i went with them to uh uh to uh, i believe it was. busy was uh, hunters and there was a guy, uh, i remember they didn't speak spanish and when they let them go for the plan, they went there and they said they were americans and they were, they were, how did they look badly, but didn't count great. it together, it began to become cool. he so and because the country is a salt port, all these countries are talking about under is quite a model. sometimes they're so poor that they had a world that they can work in and, and even not all of them, but they comply the criminal knowledge i got from california to prison. and that's

where you see the expensive for bit. i was there in 93. i was talking to these guys are barely putting the attack to face things by and by the time i came back in 20, in the early 22000, they were all now they were cohesive. now they've included new kids that were lost for kids that know where to go. they use deputies, allie, guys. these guys were tough and tattooed, and they will be looked at them because these kids were all alienated, didn't know what to do, where to go. and then to begin to recruit large numbers, the viewport patients that we did impacted these countries without sending these kids properly. so before careful. yeah, and i get it because then they went there and then they recruit others who aren't in the gang live, but they teach them the gang live. they get harden, sometimes they get deported or they may immigrate to the united states cuz they have clean records. nobody knows who they are. yeah, they come here and, and they get arrested and it, it just continues is worse and worse. and then they give it portrait again,

you know, so we created and i was talking about the us policy here. okay. we got, we understand salvatore has up a hand and it everybody's got ahead and it's breaking down our families poverty. but our policies have contributed to all these to the violence. and then i was there when we were trying to change that in the us government stain. as you can negotiate with gangs, you can ok can do nothing. they've been brought rudy. god juliani to our solver, doing quite a model of what he said, put them on a way. what? because doing is truly honest. i'm not prepared to go. this is julia kimball. they paid in millions of dollars when i was going know something, i prayed myself, nobody gave me money. but you did pay the moods and daughters to come in there and said, just put them on a wait and book and what color is doing exactly what this is. this is a policy that we tend to show in this country too often where we just don't want to talk to people we'd rather for some reason, we'd rather have enemies then develop ways to get along. you know, whether it's the china policy, the way we treat russia,

the wars we get into in the middle east. i mean, we could go down the list of things that we had and here at our own country, the way we often use the fist rather than the open hand. now i get it to, there's times when you need to use the 1st one, when someone's a piece of you know what, you need to put them away and they really are bad. but if you make that decision too early you, you, you create the possibility that you're making the problem worse and that, and i think i get, although there's a part of me that i have to ask you this. my my father passed away last year and i still do some of this day. but i remember he always told me, he said son, i grew up rough. i only have a 4th grade education. i was shining shoes for a living in my country in cuba, and i had p bad guys all around me all the time. i saw a guy smoking marijuana and doing drugs and stuff, but i never did drugs that ever smoked marijuana. and i always, why is my dad could have figured that out get these other people figured out what,

what is, what's the more of getting life that gets to these kids? and why couldn't figure out a way to avoid this? isn't this just make clear that most of of billions in the us and, and then also have a door, a good not by the hard course of course. yeah, we're going to, we're not to talk here, but. yeah, so we're talking about it and they raise their kids even with no money or they raise it because of best it can. we're talking about kids of thought through the cracks. what can we do to staff those cracks because i far to the back to my from none of my brother's suitcases, grab the gang, my mother and father word card. why do i was part of the crack. you know, and i've written books about it, why some guy like me would do that. and then also how some guy like we could get out of it. you know, and you mentioned how i look pretty good up to you. funny story. i went to president, north carolina, 210, all black. i walk there because they said, hey, this guy was a former game memory that, oh, this book. they looked at me, i walked in through there and they laughed at me. and i looked like the janitor or their uncle steve and said it was my uncle whenever they were laughing at me. but i

came in there or walked in there to they didn't think i was the hey, we do it against her. but once i went through, i walked up and start telling my story. i talked to him with a winter, so green by 40. dave was still happening. listen. and by tell me i got through, they gave me a standing ovation, was a 100 people can change. i look this way now because i've changed for many years. my son did 15 using pregnancy and looks like a real positive young man. he wasn't that way when he forgot it to prison. people do change and even looked at, i work with a guy that zip 30 years and printed from where he was a shot, kind of one of the big gangs here in that lake. now he's going into the juvenile house and up and get the game permission because he's teaching a biology and drawn me, he's changed their lives. i know it can happen. and that's what i, that's my story. we need to do more that just kind of in monday night and no support. there's just not enough. but when we do it, it works. why don't we do it? i mean, is there d, i, we mentioned this earlier and i'm not sure i got a proper response for it. but the, the, the,

the tickets greed the think about when people make too much money on prisons to us for us to do any other way. and going back to even though so i wonder how much money would take to keep somebody in prison. there's a whole industry here. california created a huge and sham this and just got a fornia and all the states. but california led most of the big, huge, giant mass incarceration system. and now we're doing california now we're trying to change that. we're trying to reflect the present. we're trying to get people out of that. we're trying to give, we're trying to help. i'm not saying it's going perfect, but we're trying to do something lease how we're rodriguez. uh, thanks so much for taking the time to take us through this very personal experience in this part of the story. thank you. once again in my honor and thank you for we go i, i want to remind you that why we do interviews like this when we think they're different . we have a mission. that's really pretty simple. we want to d, silo the world. i mean, we've got it,

we've got to stop thinking in terms of this and that little box is, you know, you gotta be on the right of the left to the side of that side. truths. don't live in boxes, truths live everywhere, right. how much sanchez, are we looking for you right here, where i hope to provide a direct impact the of the, the 1st time in history and meantime country's culture has been cancelled. that remote in west council culture need to ask one of the associated miles to the truck is just me sitting on a particular phrase now, particularly do for us to canceling russian culture. and yet the worst it could be at the see what was the zip code,

where you might have folks to push bell renewal for these charges so that the most of the separate shalanda m d. the moines would rush, has created the pos 1500 years. there's no question actually condemned, reviled and reject it to sit alone and use that to put somebody at the middle of the panel. there's a lot, i don't know because i don't know apology does. okay, so the little some of the list. joining total condemnation grows daily and now includes just asking you to call scale shostakovich that, that i need to. yeah. of course to invest, but yeah, she thinks that would be the w 2 up. i'm in the u. k.

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from the sale of that. i don't understand. i wish to know about julie who need, i know she gave him some more or less than a j o. i had to put the discount and why the a party bill? because you cannot push the couch. so for those people to go to 00, want this on this to should buy a new on it, on the site gets animal simone gauge the yo yo and put them out that they give us the the kind of situation to find those old. i think it's a great political opportunity to offer goods for the 1st time, particularly to the world to say, listen, we have a multi, a whole lot of relationships with all the powers of the, of the world. and what would dictate relationships between african countries and

those black homes, these, the national interest, and i would see that happening at the moment the, the had all of the vulgar military career which attempt to the new to the in russia has cooled off, says troops as long as they are on moscow and the great steps to the d escalate, the situation football store deal 2 ends. the rebellion was broken by the bell of russian presidents who have been told with yesterday for goshen throughout the day . also this out by appeal to russians, the military and security agencies and those have been pushed into the positive on the inside. and so you'd like to see some stress. this is an attack on russia or not. people are options to protect the homeland from such as the threats will be

taught earlier. not him appears in a dress foundation, brunswick be involved with building an attack on russia and its people, and following the country will defend itself from treason and the regime of the towns. a terrorist operation remains in russia. despite this case, the grievance reached between the presidents of the roost. lucas sancho and the heads of voc. now he has to be for the a very well welcome. this is on the international with the very latest world news update is good to have the with and we start with the breaking news from russia where the heads of the voc in the military group has cooled off. his troops were marching on moscow and agreed to steps to further the escalate the situation that's off of the private military group attempting to orchestrate a mutiny. alien vault, tungsten troops, with employed mainly in the city of ross stalled situated in southern russia from

west. and now with flooring that forces were monies to seize the headquarters of one of the military districts. aside from that so many roads were blokes and other regions sounds of the country's capital, his how the vault and his head explain his decision to back down. they want to to, to spend p m c bulk. now we went to the march of justice on tooth 23rd and the day we got within just 200 kilometers must go during this time we've not shed a single drop of blood from off scientists. now we've approached the moment when blood can be shed, realizing the full responsibility for the fact that russian blood will be set to one side. we turn our columns around and go in the opposite direction to the field camps according to the plan. we are standing right next to the military headquarters here in a rough salt that was blocked for the entire day. the streets here are still close . however, the soldiers, i'll be a wagon groups i now collecting their belongings,

are now getting prepared to the can still, you can see that there are a lot of 5 civilians here on the streets. taking pictures. we can see that the wagner group have turns on their equipment and they're getting ready to see you. i've seen them collecting their ammunition to all the things that they've ever arrive here with. and it looks like the situation has now completely, the escalated, 5 civil see of course. so what's happening in the morning and it rolls off to the people here and to gauge their opinion about what happens. vermont calls are of artsy and real stone ones on this vintage. you can see the moment the bunker chief himself leaves the headquarters of the military district, which would be 90 a comp to advise group. yeah, get a promotion is now. so to be heading 2 brothers, but that's why i was the by the russian president's press. this said mister cox

succeeded in brokering the peace still the negotiations were held throughout the day. we came to an agreement on the end, admissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of russia. the head of the wagner pmc accepted the proposal of the president of beller. it was to stop the movement of armed wagner personnel on the territory of russia and to take further steps to de escalate attention. a note on this morning, the russian president informed his belly russian contra part about the situation in the south of prussia. the leaders agreed on joint actions. lucas single made a number of clarifications and having agreed with president putting agreed on talks with the head of the wagner, p. m. c. they've got any precaution or they go sions worse out throughout the day. as a result, because and accept as a proposal on the admissibility of blood actions and the chairs are of russia. the board is also agreed on to complete the escalation of the situation. they have come to an absolutely when we deal with spelled out security guarantees for all participants or the parent males through a group. also, the bell, russian president felt folks with

a secure education on the same issue. moscow has funds. phoebe russian president for his mediation efforts with the criminal spokesman outlining more details of the deal. my pretty nice grateful to the bella, russian president, location carrier. so his assets that she's known, the p. m. c bogged down for 20 years. and it was the president's personal initiative, but they managed to resolve the situation without further loss is an escalation. as a result, an agreement was reset the p. m. c will return to the field caps. some of the finances will sign contracts with the russian defense ministry. they've changed their minds and off the ministry to come back. us with the others. no one will prosecute them. we've always respected her rubbing deeds. as for the wagner, had you any progression, the criminal case has been terminated, then he himself, which will lead to better bruce the evening conversation that tricks, disagreement was boom and constructive. as plus live to political commentator

anthony web. i to discuss this further now many thanks for joining us on the program this evening. so it's me to add to my take a day to say the least a few hours. it goes on a trip to a said to be closing in on the russian campus. so now just as quick as it started, i guess is the lowest in the crisis has to be diverted. what are your thoughts on today's domestic events? well i'm gonna give her to you. i think it's being very confused. trying to get lots of different browsers and protect, to abbas credit to pick the people involved as a result of a situation very quickly. i think uh people are in the outside world in organization. such as nitride they've been supposing present, so i just get a 100 for what this would carry on for longer because they were looking at this d stabilization at the front line and in between 2 out of bite were looking for

reasons say for long become facts for more millions of minutes pretty high each. so it'd be given she you're trying. so i think that's the bad news for you. cry use the because this is really big stuff. robert welter credit crate offer. save. should buy or type it in the fast price. and there will be some christmas they said in the sec, the shipments would be id and their guys. yeah, you shouldn't by thing what's happened. is that the issue, all sorts of bunches being examined. and well, that was pretty obvious for the day it was for this southern revolt had absolutely no charm. so, so right, but it was so again, so big about a loss of life. i still didn't see a big about some political problem to some rather tricky issues. because some

of the tray would have had so been put some on the side to deal with it with this result. but i think it's really important to get people and the you try to find out what is that such as money, things starting to are you crying? uh, this will probably be a good thing because i think it will help. sure. not the, the conflicts of the cycle, accounts are offensive. are you try those being afraid? you know, they try to take advantage during this. so the 24 hour period of, of the cycle for votes and just me files. so i, i personally can say a russian troops i'm getting on the offensive. and um, i think a little bit of my search. so i'm, before this homepage will actually ends. because there's the, there's a limit to the resources which you probably you can utilize. and they've already

run out of a manpower there to help. she is good instruction and i'm a tools of number of western nations together. you can start up with the huge amounts of money and say, so she trusted. so the say looking for a peaceful supplement will be very pleased about this. so of course peaceful was open to the come about a year regardless of the role of and uh prime minister by stones. so the ones i did see you cried and persuaded the crazy is. busy inside of the homes to tie on 5 sitting. so he's have to have a water bottle besides because of both of your cravings and the russians have to hide indeed, and you have to completely on necessarily uh there was never an age on. so you trying change when this homepage, so the best thing for the pain say that the guy shakes

a supplement. one of the things which concerns me about this whole issue about the, the situation is that uh, it is quite possible that i was assistance given by a test to see how a or nice i think of something like this would have taken a while to actually plan whether that's true or not, it's interesting that the bus just from the secretary james, correct type of a actually side of the a couple of days ago. he was convinced that you'd probably, but when there's translates which would in their case. but he must have had some knowledge of what was going on because i was very why you're trying to win this