why i decided to write this article and to get my thoughts to which i have been circulating around in moscow for quite some by medical. these are degree with my false. so i'm disagree. so i'm agree, disagree public. how many would your favorite killing using those tactical nuclear strikes to avert the mass killing of a full fledge really fledged, a global nuclear? well, as i said, i mean that assume to use nuclear weapons is a terrible model challenge carol model. this is more way it will charge us or whomever will use it and, but sometimes you have to choose. uh uh, uh, that far as i understood this, they ask you because uh, when you save the child uh,

to or revise the child will save you to manage it. uh, it is a philosophical, uh, terrible choice. but i decided to become unpopular, taking the choice of savings, which amount is there a cost analysis? one can do that. the rich in moscow field things are going terribly and the war is being the while it's expose a terrible situation. the men's gift cards being a lie, all those years of negotiations being wasted, wildly vast majority of russia, the middle class is the middle class of the working classes. feel, you know what find the rushes on. the map is a great country again, not a week goes by have to say on this program that we show rusher is forging alliances with latin america or africa southeast asia. and that in fact the war signifies a new world order. the decline of western europe, perhaps for centuries, who knows,

and suddenly the decline of the united states as a hedge on my yes. um, uh, russian. uh, i was chosen by history all the oh my to whoever. oh, it's not to become of them the nation of the savior yet, but then the liberator of the so called the world, but we call it no global majority of some cold global. so from the west and you could, we, i'm the mind of the and we, and it might need uh, the uh, manager cpa or to which you are then the west. again that i'll probably change years ago that new to the she get really was the foundation of the whole system of colonialism done then they'll go on is reach. i gave her the rest,

the possibility literally impuls is only to go. i cannot make an interest culture and above all, to suck i will g and be in his favor. that is finished because russia decided to partner. yeah, i mean, the day of the many russians, the opposed to a lot of improvements. political party said this was happening and should have happened a long time ago. what did you think over the phone to do with deputy and the name of the institute international and that political and economic strategy saying your suggestion of using a nuclear tactical nuclear weapon on european cities was as helpful as a guillotine for a headache. and all those neutral sympathetic around the world will turn their backs for us and they do a pumping equipment and now munition into europe. they are increasing their involvement. they desperately need to move by russia to isolated on the world stage because a roger is not isolated and then an attack directly on using like an easter egg.

basically, you're optical. your hours ago comes along. is it a coincidence or, or part of a pat? i guess i have noticed that officials on my visual or circles in uh, less than most especially land or something. i know section chemicals are saying, i mean, no, no, they do use an eclipse because they affairs, i think on our, on the willingness to use force as they were residing on our um, uh, patients, uh for so many years a thing to that. we were wrong, we had been wrong for many years by not stopping the the expansion because i tried to war. and i haven't been telling for 25 years from others too. that is it, there's not stopping to really tor. now i am saying that each lesson defensive extension is and russian is most up to that wouldn't be to world war 3. i was

right on the 1st on my 1st prediction on that as well as my many others. and i her, i hope that my voice, oh well, we could, these will help us on the board 1st. and the word you're a big war is already happening. and 2nd, the worst. and that is a laugh, ah, world war 3 nuclear war, which will be and a few minutes a leave. i'm in the run them. so it's that right a to are actively is that is a real possibility. professors are getting kind of gone a while stop you, the more from more, from the on retirement of the present. even rogers council on foreign indefensible . as a author, this breaks the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the professor, so you kind of gone over on retirement of the presidium of rushes council on foreign and defense policy and officer of a difficult but necessary decision. so preferences, i kind of got of surely the, one of the questions that comes out of your article is which european countries would you advise using tactical nuclear weapons on? because i have heard some people say

a non conventional attack on say the ministry of defense in london, which is clearly sending soldiers as far as we know to the conflicts own, let alone, the british weaponry being pulled into ukraine. a non conventional attack. maybe that's feasible, you're arguing for a tactical nuclear strike, which countries it is the 1st of all of course i will be named. i will not name the countries of the options. the oldest of these are the countries which play a crucial and supporting lease along snack the emission rate. uh yeah. even uh, honda, due to uh 1st as well as, uh, but it is up to the go and those are off our existing site even when, how many would die by the way, as, as to the use of conventional weapons against the least could be one of the letters

of installation towards nuclear up the scope for me. we would have waited them that budget could be one of the lenders of a nationally how many would be killed in a tactical nuclear missile attack? uh well, i mean, it is a terrible to even do this terribly to think about that, but a lot more more than a dying right now. but few and then who would die off the you'll say absolutely. and i hope that as i've said that it, well not if we really put to the see show on the table the west. uh which is losing. oh, shoot you all strategic thinking it has a had a 1000000 stuff with century bank all because they are running out of that desperate responsible. and the political issue with most of the russian countries have been degrading for several days and using major logical 5 is a sham,

the us would not come to the rescue of europe and countries of whitehead, i am a history. i am a historian of uh, the strategy and i know that after that after so these unions and i got a reliable kind of paper bills and so straight back, united states never seriously thought about attacking, substituting and, you know, tell ation, for example, or for some you know, tax on your they were playing with the game using spectacle, nuclear weapons on the church here west some new york and one chances orange trees and others. but it is painted in such exercises of a when they around, but they've virtually around. i don't of the bunkers, not to be responsible even for an exercise like that. and the but i am pretty sure that the american pro, an american president of the fee decides to use new global evidence against the

restaurant in the old uncle. defense of your that'll do that means that he's a madman or he shapes united states. i hope that times will not come then such an amendment will be installed in the white house. but we see that we years that the relation of the level of the american, the lead, including those in the white house, is very obvious. and we don't not know who will be there 5 or 8 years from now, as well. certainly the united states as lived before, clearly, and that's the rationale behind tactical weapons in the 1st place. but then what do you think of dmitri trent in from the russian international affairs council saying that there will be some sort of response actually from washington, a non atomic type perhaps. and he says, speculating wildly could be said to be, could be sensitive to us. but it's likely that with a washington would try to pursue a goal. some of that was power lising,

the russian lead to ships will to continue the war and creating panic. ok now as a so we're playing with the fire and virus. they need to change and he's a, he is one of the best or the best thing or yeah. and of course, but i don't not know what the real planners in russian administration administers planning. however, according to my calculations, if you have a comes to use of a long, long range, conventional level nor or go to the beach. the circle, tactical nuclear weapons in your lease should be accompanied by a drink or from a note that you, for our response comes in any way. the strike will be doubled, that it would finish the life you know, charge or just remind us about the so called deadlines switch, because of course the bridge is fine. secretary james cleverly said,

seem to justify the attack on the kremlin with a drone, saying that ukraine was legitimate as a legitimate right to defend itself. of course, i understand as a dead man switch you the leadership in russia be attacked faithfully. just explain to us what that is we, we actually have a multi layered shooting making machine, which really shouldn't provides a 100 or since the capacity and to retell aid. so i mean, well there, uh, uh the words um, in british of a minister just g. my uh, concur with my, um, the statement uh that we see as terrible degradation of russian political lead. she's and i don't want to name names. i would be ashamed if

a minister of my country would have said something like that. i am saying that because i am not an official. i have to say that we are having so many brands and on mondays program and he's been saying the bridge. i'm past the dresser and he said, well, the british one salary, james kevin, is correct on the view in charge of ukraine has the right to defend itself beyond its board as well. let's put this way. i mean, uh, tony brandon is a experienced diplomat who knows better. but of course we haven't the right time. they assume that we have no way to to use some kind of what comes along or arrange us. it's anita, will continue. it's for against russia using uh, the premium as account for the findings so far to the last 2 grand.

but the credit is on novel, no, largely financed armed uh, by the way. so the west is simply using ukraine. it, um, uh, and it is waging the warm rushes of some of the laser. it will be punished for that . and i have been telling o western cleaves decatur go. that is ever, uh, they would, uh come to closer to the borders of rush. so i, you didn't, you, i think, 12 or something years to go to a dash to go magazine that we would never fight on own territory. and we're fighting now on the premium territory, which of course, it breaks my heart because they are their food. and they are the becoming go to the menu of the coming to nation. shouldn't be the no,

i'm actually not a seal their brother, the people, but uh that will be uh, uh, no brief. uh, if we start when on the 1st break, i mean those centers which are supporting you prisoners, i'm using them as i can for instead of tactical nuclear weapons though and people can see are interviewed. tony mentioned on monday, what about the importance of information as a replacement to your tactical nuclear weapon strategy? i mean, when you talk about fighting in the 3rd countries, i mean they have to fight in finland. no, no isn't joined nature in the uh, fiber and a call of those i think i called and canceled in for an defense policy saying we should not deprive off or in partners of the privilege of making all the mistakes they had tried to program us to make we should be conducting sophisticated, multi dimensional moral psychological operations, including through the english language, media space. we go to remember junior massages in prison in britain. it's an eagle

. you just said neo nazi under a british statute to talk about neo nazis. talk a call some of the most widely watch cable news at present or has been sacked from adults fox news for talking about the need for peace in ukraine. isn't it much more important as information? well, what's more important in tactical nuclear weapons me? i'm actually tactical nuclear weapons make people think, look at this for a roger is been talking about this because they're losing on the battlefield. you know, we're winning on the battlefield a force and who to the been even more, i would be saving dollars. our man, as well as i'm trying not to, to destroy, to destroy the homes of the brain is when i bumping on the mush. uh, you pronounce it as a, as, for example, the bridge and the america has a date in germany. when they put, i mean,

who see these are like drugs and or cologne on fire, killing hundreds of thousands. we're not doing that, but we have to fight. i know we, we can, we, but what i am saying in this article, the problem is that even will, when militarily the rest would continue their more supplying goal, kind of the real well fail kind of you something left of the sheet of, of ukraine. they would uh make uh uh, armed to the tooth brush and so they should be more than the thread completely. okay, well we'll push into it. do you think purging though, do you think fruits and we'll do it will of the west to far too, from russian all over the world because even a, uh, they would not break this will now or in the coming years. i know you will. you may,

you make the case clear, but just finally will allow them to put in a little will you use tactical nuclear weapons on european countries as part of the arguments in your article a while i, i hope you wouldn't have to do that. but, and i think that we should do everything at uh, including those things which i have simple proposal in my article to avoid this. but i know that the re, a terrible moral choice, and i don't want to be in the presence, choose that body from his choice stands. i'm in his shoes, would have done that, but that would be i wouldn't be finished as a man. perhaps as i get done, we'll have, we'll have to continue to run. so it will be terrible just i hope that she will not go. she will not have to do to make it as a 2nd kind of gone. no,

thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday with britain's former investor to rochester, tony brands and but until then you can get me in touch. my role as social media, if it's don't sense in, in your country and had to add channel going underground tv on normal dot com to watching you and all the episodes of going undergrad. so you monday, the the total is the aggressor today, i'm authorizing the additional strong site. today, russian was the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that is constantly growing. but i think the pitch of the senior assist, click on the most, the more in the will shift for banning all in portion of russian oil and gas is suffering the price for another country. hope all's well. we're going to reset the

phone service thing for the little joe biden in imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there is a boomerang, the on the sidelines on all the international, the head of the bulk of the military group which attempted a new to the in russia has cooled off his troops at von single in moscow. and degrees took steps to further the escalate. the situation that's off big deal 2 ends. the rebellion was broken by the, by the russian presidents who was in 12th with he asked me for going through the day. also this up some of the shares. i appealed to russians,

the military and security agency. those have been pushed into the cost of on the search and see by the seats and threats. this is an attack on russia or not. people are options to protect the homeland from such a threat to be talked earlier about the mid points and then the rest of the nation running these off into a value and an attack on russia, on the people. and boeing the country will defend itself from treason, the honest, the regime of the council terrorist operation remains in low sco despite the peace agreements reached between the president impeller loosely pushing coats on the heads of vol today. yes. can you put those in the very welcome, this is all the international with the latest world news update is good to have you with us that we start with the latest breaking news with russia,

where the vomiting group has just left the city of roast off and headed back to its field comes that's according to the governor of the region. so i'll be head of the private military group agreed to enter the tentative new today. early of logan of fi has managed to seize the headquarters of one of the local military districts demanding. and the same with military top ross is how the groups had to explain his decision to bounce down. they wanted to just spend pmc vogue now. we went to the march of justice on june, the 23rd. and today we got within just 200 kilometers, must go. during this time, we've not shed a single drop of blood from. i'll fight this. now we've approached the moment when blood can be shed, realizing the full responsibility for the fact that russian blood will be set to one side. we turn our columns around and go in the opposite direction to the field camps according to the plan. we are standing right next to the military headquarters here in a row salt that was blocked for the entire say,

the streets here are still close. however, the soldiers i'll be a wegner group, i'm not collecting their belongings, are now getting prepared. so the, you can still, you can see that there are a lot of 5 civilians here on the streets taking pictures. we can see that the wagner group have turns on their equipment and they're getting ready to you. i've seen them collecting their ammunition to all the things that they've ever arrive here with. and it looks like the situation has now completely de escalate it 5 civil see of course what's happening in the morning and 0 talk to the people here and that gauge their opinion about what happens for monica. all 3 of artsy and real strong ones on under this, such as you can see the moment the wagner chief himself leads the headquarters of the military district, which would be nearly a captain by his group. if you need for goes, it is now said to be heading to bella voice. when i saw that you, by the russian president's press service, said,

minutes had succeeded in procuring the pay. still the negotiations were held throughout the day. we came to an agreement on the end of missed ability of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of russia. the head of the wagner pmc accepted the proposal of the president of beller. it was to stop the movement of armed wagner personnel on the territory of russia and to take further steps to de escalate attention. to this morning, the russian president informed his belly russian contra part about the situation in the south of prussia. the leaders agreed on joint actions focusing who made a number of clarifications and having agreed with president put in agreed on talks with the head of the wagner, p. m. c. they've got a pretty goshen or negotiations were held throughout the day as a result regarding the acceptance of proposal on the admissibility of blood actions and the chairs are of russia. the part is also agreed on a complete the escalation of the situation. they have come to an absolutely when we

deal with spelt out security guarantees for all participants or the parent males are a group also develop russian president felt folks with the secure edges on the same issue. mosca assigns the bella russian president for his mediation assets with the credit and spokesman, outlining more details of the deal. i mean, pretty nice. grateful to the bell of russian president lucas center. so his asset central, she's known, the pmc bogged down to 20. yes. and it was the president's personal initiative, but i managed to resolve the situation without further loss is an escalation. as a result, an agreement was recently p. m. c will return to the field caps, some of the fonts as well signed contracts to the russian defense industry. the new slave changed their minds and off the ministry to come back. us with the others. no one will prosecute them. we've always respected her rubbing deeds. as for the wagner hate, with any precaution, the criminal case has been terminated, then he himself, which will lead to better bruce the evening conversation that tricks,

disagreement was boom and constructive. and an address to the nation earlier president page invalid old as guilty of treason would be severely punished. a bronze of the bulk of ability to stop in the back of the threats to russian states hood assures good i'm addressing, oldest citizens of russia. so the armed forces, lower enforcement agencies and special services. the fight is in command, does a now in that battle, positions fighting against any media tags by you doing this for a robot please. last night i spoke to the commodities in old areas as my i'm also addressing those who had been deceived onto the part of the grave crime and on the rebellious today groceries fighting for its future. they were fighting against aggression from neo nazis in them. austin is looking to win against us as part of the military with inflammation and economic power of the west business with fighting for the life and security of all people to do with cross sovereignty and

independence for right to be agree with you to remain in russia a country with a 100 year old history. yeah. what you, it's about. so when the sites of all nation is being decided much and it causes us all to be united with unity is a consolidation and responsibility we need to use and everything that makes us weak our must be put aside to about to write any differences that may be used in all used by all enemies, to disrupts us from within the shades of the actions that splits all unity um, basically renegade options against those fights and that the from city that's the, it's a stop in the box against our country and all nation for looks, this stop was dealt to russia in 1917 while the country was fighting and wild. well, why don't we do it? it's victory was stolen from it. so what would that, what intrigues and bickering behind the nations box turned it into a great catastrophe? and actually get used to it, led to the destruction of the army on the collapse of the states. it was the loss of boss territories. and the tragedy of the civil war. it was that when russians

went against russian enough and when i'm brother went against bravo, even in various adventure wisdom, foreign false is profitable to most of them and told a country of popular we will not let that happen again. we will defend our country on all sides hoods from any threads, including internal treason identities. what we are facing now is treason you out of the big ambitions and personal interests have led to the betrayal of one's country . one's nation. and the costs of which box is fights, has and commodities were fighting along with the armed forces of the towns and villages of don't boss where they fall and gave their lives to the new russia to the unity of the russian. well, the name and glory have been betrayed by those who were trying to organize in on for 1000000000, which pushing the country towards on a key on fratricide, put an ultimately to defeat and capitulation put the new, repeat any internal rebellion, which is a deadly threats. while state to us as a nation, the, it's

a blow against russia even against all people at all action to defend um, other lines against such a threat will be harsh. you is a couple of old eyes who deliberately went on the path of treason, a peasant armed rebellion. you end up preparing terrorist attacks with a negatively be punished as well, but they will build, held accountable by law, but still give them the bus beyond full system, given the necessary orders by using additional empty terrace security measures have been imposed in most got the most are region and a number of other regions, so with a decisive measures will be taken to stabilize the situation and brussel on done, which still remains difficult, or the what of the civil a minute tree organs of governance is essentially blocks away moving is as president of russia now come on demand chief as a citizen of russia. i will do everything in my power to defend the country, to defend its constitution,

and the lives of security and liberties of its citizens. with those who organized and prepared the i'm for 1000000000 tons weapons against they come back home, right so betrayed. russia will be held accountable for that use of those who are being drawn into this way. and because i called upon you not to repeat the grave and tragic mistakes and stopping any participation in these criminal actions, i'm sure that we will defend and protect what is the insight put to us together with all month, alonzo. we will overcome any all deals with becoming even stronger it through the fall could achieve here. can a production has denied the accusations of treason saving. he was saving the country from brewing or blaming the ministry of defense for the current crisis. so how does the feud between voc now on the russian top ross escalate to me today?