and she was fighting and wild. well, one was what it was, it's victory was stolen from it. so what would that, what intrigues and bickering behind the nations box turned it into a great catastrophe? and i should give you a lead to the destruction of the army on the collapse of the states. i believe the last boss, territories, and the tragedy of the civil war. if the win russians went against the russians enough and when i'm brother, went against brother, even the and various adventurous and foreign forces profited most of them and told the country a possibility to get a we will not let that happen. again. we will defend our country and all states hoods from any threads, including internal treason identities. what we are facing now is reason you don't need your big emissions and personal interests have led to the betrayal of one's country. one's nation. and the cost of which box is fighters and commodities were fighting along with the armed forces the towns and villages of don't boss where they fall and gave their lives for the new russia to the unity of the russian. well,

the name and glory have been betrayed by those who were trying to organize in on for 1000000000, pushing the country towards on a key on fratricide, for lives, and ultimately to defeat and capitulation. between new, i repeat. any internal rebellion is a deadly threat to all states, to us as a nation. and it's a blow against russia even against all people, and all action to defend all month alarms against such a threat will be harsh. you. all those who deliberately went on the path of treason, i prepared an armed verbally and end up preparing terrorist attacks with a negatively be punished as well. but they will build, held accountable by law like to give them the armed forces them, given the necessary orders, use an additional empty terrace security measures have been imposed in most guys the most, our region and a number of other regions. so with a decisive measures will be taken to stabilize the situation in brussels on dawn, which still remains difficult. the work of the civil and military organs of

governance is essentially blocked. as presidents of russia come on demand chief, as a citizen over russia. i will do everything in my power to defend the country, to defend its constitution, and the lives secure with the liberties of its citizens. those who organizes and prepare the item for 1000000000 tons weapons the games they come back, come, writes betrayed. russia will be held accountable for that. those who are being drawn into this way and because i called upon you not to repeat the grave and tragic mistakes and stopped in any participation in these criminal actions. i'm sure that we will defend and protect what these bit and cite put to us together with all month, alonzo. we will overcome any all deals with becoming even stronger get through you for the safety of guinea preserves and had denied accusations of treason claiming

he was quote, saving the country from billy while blaming the mess of defiance for the college courses. so how did the feud between logs that have the russian top cross escalate to reach any of these? it goes down on the breaks down how it all starts as quick remind a it will begin on friday when we had in the founder of the wagner group. you've given you pre gordon, he accused the russian defense menissi of shelling, one of its trainings sites deep on the home front. the russian defense ministry denied all such claims. they said that while the video that was posted by the telegram channels affiliated with the wagner groups, uh, which reported to show the aftermath of the shelling, they said it was fake and that nothing of the sort happened. but you've given you precaution, he was already hell bent on uh, continuing and the now now that in hindsight it can be, we can say that he had it all planned in advance. and this is like a, it's like

a chess game for him. and he did, obviously saw that if you moves ahead, well, that was the events solve its own fault in the real stuff. the vaudeville rebels had threatened to store moscow if the demands were not meant. the lipstick lips replaced region was of the last area where involved with the imagery. hardware had been spotted the regional government release of statements saying law enforcement agencies that authorities were taking all necessary measures to ensure the safety of students in an attempt and to hold the appliances back somebody into a passion dug up. the requests of local authorities, physically boots, forces we're also seeing in one as the m. m. i h a ta kelly of the is report is have made a hard landing with one person in just in the incident. the ankle office believes have been taking part in baffled between russian. all me, i'm involved in

a fight is aside from that now photo circling on social media rubles the, showing the debris of a k, a 50 to any of the which is kind of been shut down by the volume. a group in the city of war and as itself is reported, the crew will kills. so i have enough life is also available. the attempted to shoot down another russian army. have you gone to the ankle of however, is said the fluid and deeply flat as to die. but the missiles also in one is a large fire has been raging as an old deaf of more than a 105 finds the sent the bottle, the flames and preventive spreading to other nearby stories. thanks. no casualties were forces and there wasn't capital for this, of in the part is killed upfront is to the city barricades of it and set up with food for pulls the taking positions in southern musket. the equipment was sponsored

at different sites, movie and most of the city with all of us know how is stationed along highways on the approaches to west some of the other things i don't know who officials. it said that despite the issue, the cold counterterrorism is will continue to be in place. so this is a channel, the russian says pulse into something. can we see the man most good claims are no limits on entering all leaving the city and the situation is still peaceful on the streets. although the officers on using personal jobs for the patient and communication methods, large scale public events have been postponed and the several checkpoints set up on the outskirts of most of the for additional security checks. media logos, i'm pulling this is have also been won by authorities against distorting official information. also is may, it has to come monday, a non working day and then now security services are on high. let's limit the counter to operation in order to minimize risk. we have decided to declare

monday, a non working day, with the exception of authorities in essential services, the military industrial complex city services. we ask you to refrain from traveling around the city as much as possible. traffic may be blocked in certain blocks and on certain roads, city services are operating on high alert. things are a little bit different as russian president vladimir put announced earlier, anti terrorism measures has been put into place here in moscow, but also in the greater moscow region. and we have reports of checkpoints that have been set up and also national security personnel that are on alerts. now these anti terrorism measures have also been filled up in a nother city put on this, which is about part way between here in moscow and are also found on where wagner through fighters, based off against russian military earlier. now what exactly does this mean?

what are these measures? well the last time they were used was in 1991 during and attempted to by a communist party hardliners against then president mikhail gorbachev. and they're really, really rarely used. but um, exceptionally in this particular case, and what they mean is that checkpoints are set up that interception of communications, including email and telephone calls can occur. searches of bags or cars can occur at check points. people can also be asked to produce identification. so these measures are really exceptional, but um, for now, people are out and enjoying the weather and things don't seem to be too much different here in downtown laska a manual. i love this asset as a so it's

a n c's. as i saw his have confirmed the goods offices in saint petersburg have been rated by law enforcement. security forces in the city have also been placed on the highlights on seas shaped bows. reports on the scene this morning in the city, we did a visit several of mister precautions, ad business premises, and we can confirm that several of them have now being rated and taken into control of the f s. b. i'm here at wagner is impressive. corporate hage, q, just on the outskirts of st. petersburg, a significant military and security operation is underway. and we believe the premises have been seized and are being searched at the moment. of course st. petersburg is a city of origin of, of, uh you have gainey pedagogy and this elusive an interesting entrepreneur of qualified as a pharmacist initially and then progressed into various businesses which culminated in 2015, which is foundation of the wagner, p. m. c. a private military contractor,

which has grown into a very significant military force, of course, famous for it at work in back much fast. so in st. petersburg, the city is tom, there's a, there's a large ash, jude and celebration on somebody which hasn't been cancelled. people are getting on with their business, but there is a sense that at the kremlin and the government in moscow, particularly now that we've heard present improvements and set out is still very clearly about the position in moscow. regarding mr. goshen and wagner, st. petersburg is quiet, but as we can see at the assets on the premises that belong to mister per goshen, we can tell you that we have seen a f s b specialist and to those areas to serve his president as hell. a phone cool with that of inputs in suppressing his support, the russian leda is also said to have been in touch with the heads of neighboring

states, including his back and so on and conduct this on to keep them updated on the events . however, the russian and pharmacy things such as in other countries, appeared to be watching wiggly. the mutiny plays into the hands of russia's external enemies. we will in western countries against any hints about the possible use of the internal russian situation to achieve their reason for the goals. a country will continue its suffering cost to insure it security, protect its values, strengthened it so far to you in the international arena. and form it just multiple world old lesson main. same media didn't take long to pick up the story with headlines. speculating on those who i'm quoting and verified information. i mean, feel to the media fire voices, for example, person onto the frontier assaults, claiming wagner had taken control of the city of one nation despite that being denied by region. officials for now west and the politicians all said to be

monitoring the folding events in russia with few giving any official reaction. first headline is i've been speculating when the quote puts in there will be over on with a he'll be overthrown. we spoke with joyce, the movie of the global policy, and since you, he was that western powers could try to exploit internal divisions in russia when it comes to western intelligence among the small but big isn't western intelligence. they know how to exploit divisions, and they know that the most effective way of explore these divisions in russian is to support the single russia nationalist. oh, these are the real people. they a real rush or natural, the real russian patry is. yeah, they don't really like boots in a so, you know, why don't we exploit the anger and the rage against the fulton. and essentially they will be doing out though, if you would, but you know, they'll,

they'll be able to bamboozled people by this power. ensure patrick is we are the real pass if you great attendance of the west as i tell you, this is a great opportunity. why don't we try to exploit this? um, uh for our own and that could backfire on them. i mean, you know, they, they could well miscalculate then the brain obviously has made a number of miscalculations. the counter offensive was baby one a miscalculation nato. is notorious, were giving bad advice. so if they do budge, you brain is, hey, take, take your chances. this could be 1917 all over again, complete russian collapse and german victory. they do what you need. i think that could let blow up in nato space. the russian people i think, don't want to go back to the 19 ninety's. and also, as far as the russian, people are concerned, they don't live military coups, it's never really been a russian tradition to have um, military crews. they want civilian control and above oh, you know,

whatever their frustrations about this includes the war and you grange fulton is still very popular and the rest of people have a lot of trust inputs. and so any attend by uh, goshen to take on the boot and to displace boots in will be rebuffed. i don't see that he would get any real following. and i think the conclusion will be as brutal in as violence as the the 1993. the storming of the parliament was us in the face all the arguments, any buses or thought his home find the websites linked with loops, saying it will inciting violence. among those restrictions are a number of hours belonging to the patriots media group, and various communities on social media posts of the silk. i'm still pub gospel alice out of his story and calls out, spoke with my colleague peter scotland gave his thoughts on the latest developments

. a precaution that has always been working outside of the system. you know, we seen at the bottom of mood operation that he was already a voice in his discontent. old, quite openly. and i think it's only a natural conclusion because at the, at the end of the day, p. m. c. wagner cannot exist outside. so as a military force outside of the russian defense for long, i mean that's, that's not normal i use or they will be absorbed or they'll be disbanded. and apparently he doesn't like that prospect and he's making almost a desperate a bid, too. i don't think you would change make up much of a difference. how could he expect anything else? and the fact is that it's not the way i would do it. if i you don't, you don't go on august. your intention to change to voice your, your different opinions with a russian establishment in russ stuff on the down,

which is 13 hours drive from moscow. raw, you do it when your tanks already moscow. you are sitting in kremlin as you announced the change the management. but now, 1st of all, we already know he doesn't have the support of the russian military because precautions 1st said his reason is because his troops have been shout by the russian military. okay, great. you don't have the support of the russian military. you have 25000 troops. that's great. do you have air support? no, i mean, what are you going to do with the armor? collins on the open flattering of russia without air support. you're sitting ducks, and you're still searching the hours away from moscow. he is not in a good, very good position right now, given this is present a situation that means the russians, i probably will not launch a major country office if by the same time the, the so called training office, if i so we have seen is, has be a total of yes go they came out and they got demolished. i those things there you can get any shape or form to launch another one. and you say, do i say, you know,

yes, i don't, i don't think they will, can expect different result from the last time. you know, last time they came out with armor columns, white in the open space without air support was minimal. artillery support and predictable where they got demolished, they submit to it again you what just happened 2nd time, there's a presidency often results to historical comparisons. the really, the end is the description of current events and in his address to the rest of nation. today it is such a part of those with the, the 1917 revolution and the chaos that was created in rush reducing. that's a fact lot a comparison of the similar similarities with today's events. it's interesting, mister putting made a reference to the 1917. the bolshevik revolution and the fact is pre goshen. what does he have? we know he's not living in it. does a he doesn't have a coherent etiology behind him. once he has his money,

he's pain. group of mercenaries who came straight from prison. they are under his command because he's paying for the bills and the, you know, you can, that you can't expect mercenaries to be loyal. they will not be loyal as long as they're getting paid. right. and they're, they're not going to be charging the criminal in for some 80 hours for hire etiology. illogical goes. so, you know, this, i, this is, it's, you know, it's often said history repeats, you know, uh 1st those tragic events as far as we're at the farce level right now. yeah. as i said, she's actually not in a great situation right now because right now is there's a open break between him and the russian government, and especially with mr. putting his speech or you know, on a certain no, no, i'll a certain terms. put an extra point out, this is a rebellion. this is against the russian state and we will put a stop to that and i don't, i just don't see what kind of support pre goshen would have, you know,

behind his little little whatever what he calls it and, and he is right now if he claims to control raw stuff on the dung. great. what, what he's going to do is going to venture out and send his armor calm to moscow where they can easily be slaughtered by the, by the russian air force. i mean, the search history is trapped is trapped. the and also interesting stories here, knology dot com be so sick. those out will be back and simple them the file, rick sanchez and you know, i've been doing news now for what 30 years, 2 different languages all over the world. and here in the us, i've interviewed for presidents, proud of the $1000000.00 business, and i believe new should be honest, directed, impactful. and that's why we call this show direct impact.

the i want to start by showing you some pictures that are going to be hard to take your eyes off of both because it's hard to look at them. i mean, because it's hard to look away. i mean, tell me, as you look at some of these, see this, they almost looks real. don't say these are gang members, but not just any gang members. many of not, most of them belong to the notorious criminal gun model. i'll solve up through job or m. s. 13 is, are often referred to credited with being one of the worst gangs of the western hemisphere. and you know what they look at. huh. they look at the government about salvador has been rounding them up more than 60000 of these characters and they've built a prison that's going to house as many as 40000 of them. think about that for a minute. a prison for 40000 criminals,

mostly gang members, all who seem to look eerily similar. there are 2 things that i find striking about these images as i'm looking at them. maybe youtube, the tattoos and the crouch. i mean, look how the shuttle from place to place and the most and dignified way they're not allowed to look up. it's as if they're, they're so dangerous. and by the way, most would argue that they are, which is why they don't want them even making eye contact. and now let's talk about the exaggerated face of the neck and the body tattoos which are in a strange and almost ironic way identifiable markers for these gang members. but tattoos are in some ways how they reportedly flaunt their membership in the gang, is self identify, right? it's also a sign, a deposition or the hierarchy in the gags. i didn't know that until i read up on it . these images of masses of human beings and this almost movie like setting spaces

so perfectly un handled. so machine like so the humanizing, it's as bizarre as anything we've ever seen. and the fact that the president of el salvador president nable kelly is uh, committing to this even if it means violating their constitutional rights seems. busy well, you know what, in some ways, understandable, and another way kind of worries some but what makes this story even more interesting is a geo political angle, which comes with a history really, let me tell you what the problem originates in a peculiar and very circular way in the united states, where many of these gang members come to and where they were once jailed, and then the porter. and how did they get to the us to begin with? they migrated to the united states over the past several decades when their

countries were racked by wars and crews, and most of all outside interference from i hate to say it, but from us from washington in defense and for defense of multinational interest. one example, i'll just give you want us to encourage the civil war in guatemala, that we did because we didn't like the country's democratic, democratically elected president that goes back to the 1950s, but the war lasted until 1996. and in the 1980 is our government destabilized other countries like el salvador for re, for necessary reasons, are kind of gone. would say our state department would say combined all of these wars let do the depth of hundreds of thousands of people in massive migration moves in the us. those immigrants, mostly poor in the world, had a hard time fitting in many join gags and were eventually sent to jail where they became hardened criminals eventually they were deported back to their country as

gang members. and that is where this vicious cycle really takes all. i can't get through this, i explain this to you because i think we think it's important. always go beyond the headline and explain the genesis of the stories like this because otherwise you're never going to know. you just see it on the local news is some gang, but mark killed another gang member. we do this to better understand how we got to this point. and i think it's important, you know, who else thinks it's important? i wanna introduce you to a lease or a lease, or lou rodriguez as we would say here in the united states as we all have our names angela sized or americanized he, he's an urban piece leader. uh and uh, often referred to as a gang intervention, a list. you know, what cares about this. he's also a writer. he's a poet. uh, he's a community activist and someone i've had the pleasure of talking to before. so i,

i bring him so he can give us a really, you know, on the ground perspective on this situation. we thank you so much for joining us. thank you. my pleasure. i guess you, i got to start with the pictures of when i 1st saw these videos, i've never seen anything like it. it looks almost surreal. i use the word dehumanizing, which what was your impression when you looked at these pictures of these, of this round up of all these guys in el salvador and these present their building for them as well. they're meant to demonize them. and so there's a lot of things they do. that's wrong. i'm not justifying gang members doing what they do well, people don't realize or is that these are human beings and you wouldn't be integrate capacity. and i know because i work with gang when we like them. i've actually worked with m. s. 13 and 18 street. i've actually been to a solve adult for over 30 years. i've gone there working with them. i rented 10 presents. i've been to what the,

my life been imagined on doris. i spend many years and many people. so i know the kids at a certain tomba, taiser, and common ties in others. they need to be given a lot of care to me. it's not about just putting them away, it's about giving them what i call the it's tougher to care for me than tougher to be on. uh, you know, just be a tough guy with them. you know, and what we're getting has done is created a big okay. and they get, it presents and they've got more arms that's always done. and so, yeah, you can fight these guys with a bigger gang, it, it was done in united states. you know, the 1st things united states, especially industrial, united states, were irish immigrants and eastern european immigrants and italian immigrants. they were the kids that were parts, didn't have anything. they came and worked in the was, you know, come or jobs and, and guess what happened to it became gangs too, but don't you have to let me but i, but i'm just thinking, as i'm, as i'm listening to you, say this, i'm thinking and i'm looking at these pictures, these guys i'm, you know,

we are these guys look so hard and i mean it's almost like it gets to a point where i'm not sure you say everybody is sell salvageable on, you know, gods are. and i get that, you know, and i'm a catholic and i understand, but does it get to a point where they are almost like, impossible to be able to salvage with, i mean, look at these guys, they think, well, that's a good question. and i think if it needs to be answered and i agree with that, i mean i wasn't know, solve it on 22 and the violence went down. 70 percent, they're talking about the bite is going down like 50 percent. now, the bottoms were down even further. why? because there was an effort to bring these gangs together to have a piece to get him to this arm cuz i was witnessing when they were turning over all of their guns. i also helped create it wasn't just me where others recalled as soon as it passed. if you would do that. why was owns were created in these vials were m

as 13 n a can speak could come together. they could do garden ridiculous skills. they did murals, they couldn't work together and actually help but faith that was completely undermined by the us government because i, i, i saw what happened us government put this thing. you can do, this can work with gags. you can't negotiate with gangs. and then this hour, during government at the time, it wasn't, look at it at the time, the story to know, all of the story has worked on it and it went back to work for a restaurant, is that you just said something interesting in other solutions could be try, try to get to them before they become a hardened try and get to the younger ones, you know, teach them new skills. and yet, it's always seem to me and i've always believed that we should put more money in recreation and cultural development in education. it seems like we lose you and i live in a country now where every thing is about a police action and military is ation. and i think maybe that has to do with money

. i don't know. it seems like some people think it's, it's, it's more efficient, easier and certainly more profitable to just stick them in jail than it is to help them. right, but we're just thinking about what's happening with these big prison, this huge prison outside of the largest, and americans, apparently 40000 people, so it can be held there. that's what i hear, that you're going to be held for 30 years, at least. maybe their whole lives. let's say it's $20000.00 per person. cuz in united states and in california, it's like $46000.00 to hold. a person in inmate in prison for one year had of 270000 in california of 270000. so what happens and also i wonder when you have to pay 20000 say it's not quite 40020000. it's billions of dollars to keep people locked up away from the end and you know what? they're still human beings. something's going to happen with them, and that's what happened in california. we created, disagree. the housing unit. we created a super max. is that

a now that they're being re looked at because they actually did more damage by people came out more worst than when they came in. i see where you're going here though, and i'm just doing the math in my head. obviously. if it costs $46000.00 minimum to keep a person in prison in california. if you had from the very beginning. and i know this is crazy because it's a lot to give them, but given them the $46000.00 and created a job opportunity for them, i don't know the thing is the money, but given them the best probably would not have become gang members or maybe i wouldn't become, i guess i'm hoping you know. yeah, well, we used to say and this came out of the 92 uprising. los angeles when blood encrypts were actually here 90 with mexicans. so people don't know that probably they only know about the violent, they don't know that people are trying to get together and they had a statement give us a hammers and the nails and we were.