drops us from within the shade so, so the actions that splits all unity um, basically renegade options against those fights and then the from city that's the, it's a stop in the box against our country and all nation or for looks. this stop was dealt to russia in 1970 we, while the country was fighting in world war one, went through its, its victory was stolen from it. so what? what that, what intrigues and bickering behind the nation's bodies turned it into a great catastrophe, and actually getting used to it led to the destruction of the army and the collapse of the states. but it was the loss of the boss territories. and the tragedy of the civil war, it was that when russians went against russian easy enough. and when i'm brother went against brother, even though in various adventure, wisdom, foreign forces, profitable amounts of them and told the country of popular we will not let that happen again. we will defend our country on all sides hoods from any threads, including internal treason identities. what we are facing now is the reason you meet your big ambitions and personal interests may have led to the betrayal of

one's country. one's nation and the cost of which boxes fights has and commodities were fighting along with the armed forces of the towns and villages of don't boss where they fall and gave their lives to the new russia. that's to the unity of the russian. well, the name and glory have been betrayed by those who are trying to organize in on for 1000000000, which pushing the country towards on a key on fratricide. putting an ultimately to defeat and capitulation for renewal, please repeat any internal rebellion, which is a deadly threat to all state to us as a nation of the a and b, it's a blow against russia, even against all people adult action to defend all my beloved again, such as the threat will be harsh. you is a couple of old eyes who deliberately went on the path of treason, a peasant on verbally and you end up preparing terrorist attacks would inevitably be punished about very so they will build, held accountable by little by still give them bus beyond full system,

given the necessary order, use them additional um the type of security measures have been imposed in most got the most are region and a number of other regions. so with a decisive measures will be taken to stabilize the situation in brussels on done, which still remains difficult. of the work of the civil a minute to the organs of governance is essentially blogs. the thing is, as president of russia now come on demand chief as a citizen over russia, i will do everything in my power to defend the country, to defend its constitution. and the lives of security and liberties of its citizens with those who organizes and prepare the item for 1000000000 tons weapons against they come back home. right? so the trade, russia will be held accountable for that you can be able to those who are being drawn into this morning that doesn't, i caught up on you notes, repeat the grave and tragic mistakes and something that any participation in these criminal actions, what or whom do you see what i'm sure that we will defend and protect?

what is the insight put to us together with all motherland to mean? we will either come any all deals with the comic even stronger. get the volume and see if you're going to, if it goes in has denied i use a sense of freedom. play me. he was saving the country from really and while blaming them is to defense for the count and prizes. so how did the feud between lava i'm the russian club across escalate to move to the uh, tv. she goes down of its down, our oldest office, a quick reminder. it will begin on friday when uh the head of the founder of the wagner group. you've given you pre gordon, he accused the russian defense ministry of shelling, one of its trainings sites deep on the home front. the russian defense ministry denied all such claims. they said that while the video that was posted by the telegram channels affiliated with the wagner groups, uh, which reported to show the aftermath of the shelling, they said it was fake and that nothing of the sort happened. but you can,

you precaution, he was already hell bent on uh, continuing and it is now now that in hindsight it can be we can say that he had, it also has like a, uh, it's like a chest game for him. and he did obviously sold that a few moves ahead, although the event, so it's, it's on full data, rough stuff, lavano rebels, instructions and store mosca if the moms when that's the region now known as if it was the last area where the hardware had been supported regional government release a statement saying law enforcement agencies and the thought of these was taking all this is the a citizen attempt to hold the volume of 5 years, but some roads of policy does off by the requests of local authorities. here. diseases forces will also seen in one inch on that m i a pac

heavy going to is reported to may. the hall landing with one person ended in the incident. the cost is related to been taking, pausing by the same russian army and above enough forces, aside from the photos. so 3 on social media, a ripple of the show in the dead re of a k, a 50 to hang on to kind of been something down by the volume of the group in the city. one, those itself is rubles, the crew will kills. i love the flyers as also reportedly attempted to shoot down another russian army had to go to the apple. however, it said to put dean clay flies since i've the misses all the info. nice. a large fire has been ranging as an oil that home with a 1055 is of a sense of glass on the face of the difference funding. so other than advice stores, time, those got held feasible impulses. so for the deployed in the russian capital fill

the highways leading into the city. barricades was set up and troops took up the titan so far in position that since he points the equipment, it was a move into the city with all the personal carriers stationed along the highways. now the barricades, i'm the to, to be removed as a states situation has stabilized. but this might until the 2 piece deal, townsend terrorism measures defend by local officials will continue to be in place of support and the chairman of the russian and some as post international committee was, is matt has said there are no restrictions on entering or leaving the city, i have a situation has remained peaceful in the streets, but as a because in law skim, public events will postpone. and several, 10 points. a set up on the outskirts of literature and capital. media brothers and politicians of old in one by authorities against distorting official information.

well, here's man has the fed monday, a non working day and announce to shows the services or highlights the mid the council, etc. operation. in order to minimize risks, we have decided to declare monday, a non working day, with the exception of authorities in essential services. the military industrial complex city services. we ask you to refrain from traveling around the city as much as possible. traffic may be blocked in certain blocks and on certain roads, city services are operating on high alert. things are a little bit different as russian president vladimir putin announced earlier, anti terrorism measures have been put into place here in moscow, but also in the greater moscow region. and we have reports of checkpoints that have been set up and also national security personnel that are on alerts. now these anti terrorism measures have also been stood up in a nother city board on this,

which is about part way between here in moscow and are also found on where wagner group fighters, based off against russian military earlier. now what exactly does this mean? what. 2 these measures well the last time they were use was in 1991 during and attempted to by a communist party hardliners against then president mikhail gorbachev. and they're really, really rarely used. but um, exceptionally in this particular case, and what they mean is that checkpoints are set up that interception of communications, including email and telephone calls can occur. searches of bags or cars can occur at check points. people can also be asked to produce identification. so these measures are really exceptional,

but um, for now, people are out and enjoying the weather and things don't seem to be too much different here in downtown laska new. i love the service and sees as i saw the to confirm the groups offices instance petersburg has been rated by law enforcement security forces in the city and also been placed on highlights all to say those reports from the scene this morning in the city. we did a visit several of mister precautions, ad business premises, and we can confirm that several of them have now being rated and taken into control of the f s b and here of partners. impressive corporate h q at just on the outskirts of st. petersburg, a significant military and security operation is underway and we believe the premises have been seized and are being searched at the moment. of course in petersburg is a city of origin of, of,

uh you have gainey pedagogy and this elusive and interesting entrepreneur of qualified as a pharmacist initially and then progressed into various businesses which culminated in 2015, which is foundation of the wagner, p. m. c. a private military contractor, which has grown into a very significant military force, of course, famous for it to work in back much fast. so in st. petersburg, the city is com a. there's a, there's a large ash, jude and celebration on somebody which hasn't been canceled. people are getting on with their business, but there is a sense that at the kremlin and the government in moscow, particularly now that we've hired, present, improve, set out, is still very clearly about the position in moscow. regarding mr. goshen and wagner, st. petersburg is quiet, but as we can see at the assets on the premises that belonged to mister per goshen, we can tell you that we have seen a f. s. b specialist entered those areas. but the president has held

a phone call was driving and was interested in his support. the russian leader is also said, have been in touch with the heads of name ring status infinity, isabel. his online conduct gets done to keep them updated on the events. however, the russians are missing things. so in other countries appear to be watching with chloe. the mutiny plays into the hands of russian countries against any hints about the possible use of the internal russian situation to achieve the risk of phobic goals. a country will continue its silver and cost to insure it security, protect these values, strengths, and it's all sorts the in the international arena and form adjust multiple, the world old was the main main see made. it didn't take long to pick up the story. the headlines splintered, i'd say one of 2, i'm quoting, i'm verified information i knew few to the media, fire royces, for example, but this isn't all school 5 here souls play mean boswell and taking control of the

city. one is, despite that being denied by regional officials for now west and pauses, as i said to be just monitoring we at the, i'm for the events in russia with you giving any official reaction press headlines have been speculative when the quote puts in the era will be over whether he'll be overthrown. we spoke with joy so many of the global policy. and since june, he was the western pals, could try to exploit internal divisions in russia. when it comes to western intelligence, among the small, the big isn't western intelligence. they know how to exploit divisions, and they know that the most effective way of explore these divisions in russia is to support the soho russian nationalist. oh, these are the real people. they

a real rush, the natural, the real russian patry is. yeah. they don't really like boots in a so, you know, why don't we exploit the anger and the rage against the fulton. and essentially they will be doing out though, if you would, but, you know, they'll, they'll be able to bamboozled people by this power. ensure patrick, we are the real pass. if you great attendance of the west as i tell you, this is a great opportunity. why don't we try to exploit this? um, uh for our own and that could backfire on them. i mean, you know, they, they could well miscalculate then the brain obviously has made a number of miscalculations. the counselor offensive was 31 miscalculations. nato is notorious or giving bad advice. so if they do budge ukrainians, hey, they take your chances. this could be 1917 all over again, complete russian collapse and german victory. they do what you need. i think that could lead blow up in nato space. the russian people i think,

don't want to go back to the 19 ninety's. and also, as far as the russian, people are concerned, they don't live military coups, it's never really been a russian tradition to have um, military crews. they want civilian control and above all, you know, whatever their frustrations about this includes the war and you grange fulton and it's still very popular. and the referee people have a lot of trust inputs. and so any attend by uh, goshen to take on the boot and to displace boots in will be rebuffed. i don't see that you would get any real following. and i'm, i think the conclusion will be of brutal in as violent as the, the 1993, the storming of the parliament was in the face. all the, all new to me. it was already the by the websites linked with the group saying that they were inciting violence among those that restricted are a number of outlets belonging to the patriots media group and various communities

on social media. so the silk, i've still pub costs because it allows an historian cause out, spoke with mind calling to score and gave his thoughts on the latest developments, a precaution that has always been working outside the system. you know, we seen at the bottom of mood operation that he was already a boy, seeing his discontent, old quite openly. and i think it's only a natural conclusion because at the, at the end of the day, p mc, wagner cannot exist outside. i said as a military force outside of the russian defense for long, i mean that's, that's not normal i use or they will be absorbed or they'll be disbanded. and apparently he doesn't like that prospect and he's making almost a desperate a bid, too. i don't think he will change, make up much of a difference. how could he expect anything else? i did. the fact is that it's not the way i would do it right. you you don't. you

don't go on august. your intention to change to voice your, your different opinions with the russian establishment in russ stuff on the down, which is 13 hours drive from moscow. raw, you do it when your tanks already moscow. you are sitting in kremlin as you announced the change the management. but now, 1st of all, we already know he doesn't have the support of the russian military because precautions 1st said his reason is because his troops have been shout by the russian, margery, okay, great. you don't have the support of the russian military. you have 25000 troops. that's great. do you have air support? no, i mean, what are you going to do with the armor? collins on the open flattering of russia without air support. you're sitting ducks, and you're still searching the hours away from moscow. he is not in a good, very good position right now, given this is present a situation that means the russians, i probably will not launch

a major country office if by the same time the, the so called training office, if i so we have seen is, has to be a total. yeah. so they came out and they got demolished on those things. there isn't any shape or form to launch another one and you say, do i say, you know us? i don't, i don't think they will, can expect different results on the last time, you know, last time they came out with armor columns, white in the open space without air support was minimal. artillery support and predictable when they got demolished, they submit to it again. you what just happened 2nd time, there's a presidency often results to historical comparisons. the really, the end is the description of current events and in his address to the russian nation. today it is such a part of those with the, the 1917 revolution and the chaos that was created in rush reducing. that's a fact, a lot of a comparison of the similar similarities with today's events. it's interesting, mister putting made

a reference to the 1917. the bolshevik revolution and the fact is pre goshen. what does he have? we know he's not linen. it doesn't. he doesn't have a coherent etiology behind him. once he has his money, he's pain. group of mercenaries who came straight from prison, they are under his command because he's paying for the bills and the, you know, you can't, you can't expect mercenaries to be loyal. they will not be loyal as long as they're getting paid. right. and they're, they're not going to be charging the kremlin for some edi alpha higher etiology, illogical goes. so, you know, this, i, this is, it's, you know, it's often said, history repeats, you know, uh, 1st those tragic events as far as we're at the farce level, right? now yeah, as i said, she's actually not in a great situation right now because right now is there's a open break between him and the russian government, and especially with mister,

put in his speech, you know, on the 3rd no, no, i'll a certain times, put an extra point out, this is a rebellion, this is against a russian state and we will put a stop to that. and i don't, i just don't see what kind of support precaution would have. uh, you know, behind his little little whatever what he calls it and, and he is uh right now he, he claims to control raw stuff on the dung. um, great, what, what is going to do? is he going to venture out and send his armor calm to moscow where they can easily be slaughtered by the, by the russian air force? i mean, the search history is trapped is trapped. the a host of interesting tabs here on all to the com world news business in the africa checking that out will be back of the top of them. the

we've told you in the past about the us department of veterans affairs. it's an enormous sprawling bureaucracy and is one of the most poorly run departments in the entire us government investigators. they are deal on a daily basis with things like fraud, investment, drug crimes and other white color issues. but imagine going to work one day and learning that you're not needed to investigate these routine white color crimes. instead, you're needed to investigate a serial killer. and even worse, a medical serial killer assessed you a pass who works under color of helping patients as a medical professional, a doctor or a nurse. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the

. 2 2 2 2 2 2 our next guest is that rare person who has seen the darkest part of the underbelly of society. ru sacrament is a renowned investigator specializing in tracking down medical serial killers and is in demand as a consultant on the subject all over the world. he's a former special agent in charge of the ne field office of the criminal investigations division in the us department of veterans affairs office of the inspector general, where he was responsible for criminal investigations into a 195 veterans affairs facilities. he's a licensed private investigator and is the president of the society of professional investigators. in addition to his professional credentials, he's the co author of the highly acclaimed book behind the murder curtain. special agent, bruce, sacrament, hunts doctors, and nurses who kill our veterans. bruce sacrament. welcome to the show. we are so happy to have you. so thank you very much. i'm actually honored to be here today, while the pleasure is online. i've been looking forward to this for

a long time. i have to tell you this conversation is, is going to be fascinating for me personally. there are probably fewer than a dozen people in the united states who have had a career focused on serial killers and even fewer who have focused on medical serial killers. before we get to that specialization, tell us a little bit about your career and about how you got started in investigations. sure, well i, i saw an investigation of probably by watching too many colombo shares. you know, i'm not seeing a big, tough, dirty harry kind of guide, but i used to watch columbia and i, so you know, i could do that. this guy is more brains and brawn, and i really like that. so i started out as an investigator with the us department of defense and i was investigating contract fraud and procurement for

a line. and it was pretty interesting. and then jimmy carter way back when began offices of inspector general's in every federal agency. so every page of federal agency at that time and now just about every agency has an office of inspector general and most offices of inspector general all kind of torn to different directions. one is in the office of what it and one is in office of criminal investigations. i was responsible for the office of criminal investigations for the ne united states. and i had a tremendous smorgasbord if you will, of cases to pick and choose from. because hospitals well hospitalized big cities and any kind of crime that could occur in a big city could almost kind of happened in the hospital. you know, we had procurement for or contract for what we had drug diversion. think of all the narcotics that are in the hospital. i mean we have the most complex scientific

equipment to inexpensive items like diapers and everything in between. and we have with very, very concerns about medical records about the security and medical records. so running the hospital is a very, very complex job, and unfortunately the is a big opportunity for some criminal activity. now with the v a, i must preface my remarks by saying that the old, oh well, i'm going majority of the am for the most honest, hard working, dedicated compassion and people you ever want to me? absolutely, yes, no, that being said, there is a very, very tiny percentage of people that will take advantage of the system. and unfortunately they have victims on nations few roads. and that's really,

so i was really on it in 2 weeks since i was on it to be in federal law enforcement. and i was honored to have a position that worked out for veterans that actually helped us secure safety and security and the best health possible for our nation's heroes. it was a wonderful, wonderful position to be. and you had a long career at the department of veterans affairs. tell us about the case that made you an expert on medical serial killers. i have to assume that somebody doesn't just wake up one day and decide to start killing people. they operate on detected sometimes for many years and we're talking about doctors and nurses here. how did this all begin in that big case? well, you know, i'm working all these other cases that i just described. and all in one day,

my phone rings, and i get a call from the chief of psychiatry at the northwood long island, b a medical center. and she says, bruce, oh, you're not gonna believe this. but we have a doctor working here who spent time in prison, to poisoning his coworkers. and i'm looking at the phone and i'm from looking at my calendar. it says this april 1st is this like some kind of april fools, a joke or something. you know, and she says, no, bruce, this is really true. now what? i didn't think in the united states of america, you could spend time in prison for poisoning people and come out and be a physician. so i was wrong and natural it started the story of a dr. michael swain, go. a lot of michael seidel killed people, not only united states, he killed people with the world. do you know when he was in medical school, john, when he was in medical school, he was known as double swine. go license to kill all my gosh,

twice fellow students in medical school and the dean and they said, you know, the, we don't think these guys when bill should really be a physician. and the dean said, what do you know you're only students on the dean. i think he could be a doctor, but i think he needs more training. so let's keep him for about 6 months longer. right. and the next thing, you know, he ones up in ohio state university and he's killing people. and he winds up being in m e n t, and he actually toys him, his co workers invited his co workers and he said, hey guys, you know, you work so hard at some donuts in the donuts and they all got sick that night. and he called them up, he says, tell me, will you symptoms tell me everything that happens. he's revealing the excitement of poisoning people, not only when he actually put the boys in on these donuts,

but hearing how they suffered. mm. and it turns out that the donuts were actually sprinkled with loss, and they called me saying that these in teams are not stupid. about 2 weeks later it comes in with some ice tea and they have the ice t test it, and it's loaded with awesome. wow, and the police been fantastic job and he gets 3 years in jail for boys and his co. ready workers and then he comes out and he's a doctor again. it to be a lot. it seems impossible. how can anybody pass a government background investigation and have your license? yeah. and have your license reinstated? yes. well i'll tell you this, this guy. it's an incredible sociopath, you know, he was, he wasn't excellent read and he got out of prison. and he gave the store, he says, you know, i'm an ex marine, i got to find. i got an a bottle in the roll. but here's a piece of paper from the governor, restoring my civil rights. nobody checked it,

nobody verified it. and the next thing, you know, there is a doctor again, this time out in the west coast, and it'd be a facility and he's doing well. he's actually engaged to be a nurse. and then the story comes out and uh, everything turns terrible for him and his fiance and his fiance, her name was kristen kenny. just a beautiful, beautiful young lady. and she goes home to mom and she says, you know, mom, i really loved this guy. swining go, but i can't live with them anymore after i heard what happened. you know, but when i was living with him, i was getting all these headaches for some reason, headaches. but i, i feel better now and the next thing you now swipe won't shows up at the door. and he's so charming the charms is way back into hawaii. and about 2 months later, she can't take it anymore again and she goes to the park. she takes out

a gun and she blows her brains out of my complaint. thank you. i go for that. can you will actually you can because even though she shot her sale and the family had the body cremated, they kept a lock of hair. and her head was loaded with austin. no manga was even poisoning his own fiancee. what will make a long story short, he actually lot winds up in my neighborhood at the northwood long island, b a medical center and you know, something interesting. he was there on a residency any guess what, what particular medical field in psychiatry that he had to go on front of the board of training. so i kind of just, and can you this each and every one of them that he should be in the program. and he grad, incredible. and then that's when i got that phone call and i this under each i

lives and i happened.