in that particular regard, unfortunate just start up, you're going to have to abide by that. now i assume south africa has to make very and difficult choices, not only with regards to legalities of, they are assessing your 4th order, but also, you know, maneuver among various parties. uh, particularly deciding how to go about the western pressure and earlier this month, use low make her sound, elijah, to the us department of state's essentially proposing to limit the south african access to american market due to what they call the countries deepening military relationship with russia. and we are talking about nearly $1000000000.00 worth of experts in just 3 months of this year. so it's, it's a lot of money. and the south africa is getting those opportunities under the documents called the african growth, an opportunity to ask how serious of us around that is, do you think? well, is of it as soon as such? because as you know, you know, the business and economies pay huge role in, in, in,

in, in american politics. and so that's a couple lenders in nevada as fund itself in this position where it is offended, stating americans. and to feel that to that much, we are much more closer to russia and as it goes out to the present to all of these products. so it's, it's, it's a very important one. first off, it got to uh, to navigates. but i think the initiative that we see last week of the applicant have of states 6 to communicate clearly with sort of fits and disregard. so i think i've insisted that it's not the lines when it comes to this was without defending. what so many believe in this country, and i think that the actions of last week will communicate the different kinds of message to, to the west in terms of based off because it finds itself in district. that's the room opposed to come simply seats within the manual diesel emissions and the rest including as i've said it on the $220.00 and it's got a very i know i'm a couple little issues it with the with the less than putting adult by to so we'll

have to wait and see or what will happen when the negotiations to renew a go uh, starting in august, but did that. so that's and the off us instead of you could that is i don't think i might just be expelled from my goal. i want to ask you a personal question because i gather from your commentary from your writing. the progressive is liberal, human rights values are close to your heart and you're also not quite critical of president during my full. so for what you call his flip flopping on various your political issues. what do you make of this? a pro is, you know, a promising africa opportunity to have one occasion and quickly, a remote or bulky if once any particular country decides to exercise its sovereignty or it's the trial to, to, because the trial with the parent is not to the taste of the west. either what is completely unacceptable and this is a lie of support. those are pulling full imongary. paula will do well, that has got an allow states to be spring states all spring countries. savvy guy

has got active decides on needs on his interest. what's all i mission of interest all and of course that you sort of got a relationship. i totally understand where the government and some people in south africa system disregard because of the relationship that just i think ahead with they used to solve and russia in particular. um, but at the same time you have a lot of other people to believe that it's, you know, interest to invest nicely on the us really us sort of, you've got relationship and they feel that if we do lose us as a trading partner, it might also impact the initial interested in it might impact when i put on me or read us, which one very high unemployment rate. so often times in general, us sitting on a much more complicated position. that's why most of them are pushing for this multi point. a world where they can have a choice to decide based on the initial interest or to make relationships with and to go to a close to with in terms of economy and finance. well,

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the conductor was appointments, then based off of a senior research fellow as africa, asia dialogue, mr. franklin, and before the break, he mentioned some of the africans fulfilled a, they have to invest in their relationship with the united states and with the west . if they only put all the ads in that bus kid on the, in them, in the threat of losing a whole, are there for changes because brakes is ultimately not that nowhere an anti western

clock. what we see, or if it's the way it's described here in russia, is essentially an organization that is now representing non western global majority . so there is no, uh, no uniformity of decisions there. but do i understand correctly that the someone africa feel that they have to choose either between. 9 the west or the rest? well, i think for those of because i put between the bedrock and a hot place and this for me, by the way it's, it's a great political opportunity where of the consultants that going to be saying what is all initial interest. and then after tends have been very vocal in that regard to say that they look at multiple world w. i look at multi relationships with various countries into world rates is a very important plan, important platform and reach out to content. this mazda establish strong relationships. we have also pilots roles with countries such as what i show, i try and now united state tickets cetera. again,

those are also distributing important. so the current situation that you find also, i think it's a great political opportunity to fall for kids, for the 1st time to articulate the world, to say, listen, we have a multi, a whole lot of relationships with all the possible of the world. and what to dictate relationships between african countries and those blood funds, ease the nation of interest. and i would say that happening at the moment that i think to an extent those voices are beginning particularly into the use of many in the list in terms of the way off. because it's in just the internet and brush up all the way. but i shall also do to understand to know that i think guys good the rights to choose. it's friends. i think we've, we've got it can be it kind of dictated. and i think that messaging will trickle through from the, from the us, china, and rush. and that's why i do believe that dependent stand off that you find those us at the moment is an opportune time to, to play those positions. now let's put that ation because aside and speak about,

talk about the upcoming breaks. i'm in because as we already eluded the issue, all 5 of them are put into participation. and this is pretty charged, especially in, in, in south africa and south. which was interesting. it's more likely to mean when it comes to the i c r. s for, and was the other way. so if you guys do period changed, designed to isis, the spot in possible doesn't incorporate it into up with solution. the only way you could have a, b, b, b, the possible address to send it to or not applied would be through the vote in parliament and that to be again taken to the constitutional court. so as things as being stands right now, if president bother me, putting lots of visits out of sorta think i will be a forced to arrest him and, and did. that's the situation at the moment of close to the very views in south africa in that regard,

that you cannot have been the arrest head of states of the size and power of what i show. you know, the new cape also built it to create international counts and it to be kills and in international relations that, that, that, that would be extremely, extremely dangerous. but at the same time, if that's then put in does come just out of the car and just thought that is not that is to that also will compromise modular total isn't it? to atlanta invites a huge cause open uh, on setup because i'd have to go by just find itself also in a much more compromise position when it comes to it's all lies, particularly those that don't interest about defending. but by the way, that those that i put in for the rest, i not have not rectified the icbc add on such i have. so let's say i think you're talking about the and the united states in particular, leaders launched a number of horrors that led to depths of uh, you know, hundreds of, uh,

thousands of people. and we all know that many of those uh, wars were launched under falls pre taxes. but uh, you mentioned the, you know, the possible undermining of multilateralism and not opposing the ices see war uh, arrest warrant then. is the same cord that back in 2011 uh endorsed absolutely bogus charges against more market alfie. we know that is the same core that didn't issue a single warrant against the western leaders. and i wonder if for a country of nelson mandela, what i know was former principals on the, when it comes to, you know, defining who your friends and avenues are. i'm being very solver and then that choice, i wonder, and that's in a way of betrayal is let me say when you have to sort of side them with the polite society and the way that they don't punish you. what i told you, i agree with you it. i think we're in a hobby of the 1994 in terms of it. if i have all of these cookies and entering

into all of this partnerships because i wanted to be a subject uh by the well, you know, post about it. but it was the biggest challenge is to see if it's a, it's a double standard. you know, you've got one trip in the form of tony blair, and george bush wants it and comfortably not in the respects them into the color of his skin. i mean, this is a medical ravaged, believe it will destroy that country and it was a relatively prosperous country. i'm not talking even about the warm or good afternoon, his fame, but about the whole scene destroying the whole state. it's a open air slave market right now. there people sold them the streets there, but the she did not. i agree, i totally, i totally agree. i mean, it's double spending so far. i've been the lead us from mainly african countries that they're taking today. c. c. not just sending that to good people up what's holding others on a daily basis and putting things, i mean to know it needs to read, but importantly, tony blad trouble stream that you know, to spending that to the same man or to customer to felt false,

pretenses including george w bush into the wind it up, it just seems created hubble around the world. so the biggest challenge you die says it's a double spend. it's what is a south africa interest in upholding the ice is credibility as well. it's not a big effect. him to, to do to withdraw from nice to see if you remember in 2016 after that. so yes, but we had with the form, i pressed it up. so then i found the model by ships. but then the ac conference last year december was seem that the decision to say that, you know, we need to find those, those back and for the and change with the die see seat. but again, the criticism sense that i see is not uploading just physically. uh it, it takes others and its quite lenient on others. and this is the case some point, this is a test by the way, but unfortunately, i don't think there's a video and had no choice post 1990 for it. it was looking for a substance. it had to look for, you know, a big step to do all of these tubs and the organizations, including dice,

the seats, because we wanted to be known as a democratic institution. and unfortunately isn't all what you can have come home just. i think it's primarily western narrative that south africa and reputation as a democratic country would be damaged if it doesn't do a, b, and c. all the things that i pushed for by the west, including the i c. c, arrest warrant. but i wonder if the south african leadership ability to maneuver to pursue the own interest in these very dire straits noon. i mean, the, the international student is pretty complicated right down many countries have to do a lot of juggling. i mean, the, and the, you know, done the obstructive values versus practical necessities on that own people. i wonder if, you know, taking a stance out of in, you know, your own vision out of your own agenda would earn you some credibility in non

western warners. do you think the rest of the world is looking at africa to see how you know how to behave and this a complicated situation? yeah. want us instead of okay is uh is, is by the way the honeymoon is over for a very long time. so to take was to, to do it, its gloves again because they'll bring them in the country. but now we're facing real politics and we have to make sort of decisions. and i think i don't realize uh oh, realizes, no, that's the national interests, domestic presidents. and what do i do that we do? and that's why you have time to do it. but again, days that fumbling and if you're probing and you know, treating and throwing in terms of the positions that they're supposed supposed to take. but having said that until they um they, they be able to resign and get out of these treaties that they have, which uh, sometimes um, you know, this had been the just to day off the conditional interest or side of the condition interest. we're going to be finding ourselves more involved in similar situations.

that's the best point. the other point is. so i don't think i kind of won't do it when i'm on the left and, and he's just pretty fast as they want to promote and push this modular total isn't even though much of the total is it doesn't work. i, we know, for example, at the moment that they're talking about to the expansion of united security to console people it's, it's still maintains the, the very few members of decide who lives and dies in the world. just thought of because one of those crunches that phase, we need to expand this. so those that are kind of, uh, talk to that side of you guys having and educating to watch the change around the world. but you know, it's, it's tough time for, for what democracy. but did they have to grab the polls by the holes that i think this particular one would be nice to see. and i've been doing a lot under photos, the games. a major problem in the world is one of the greatest tests ever. we've had since the don't have democrats in this country. well, it's always good. you know, all of us come to a point whenever you have to grow up and make some difficult the choices. i think that was also the case for russia and deciding whether,

how to repels western military expansion, then the decision was taken. and we all have to leave and deal with a concert classes are very unfortunate that we will have to do that for many, many years, especially a rush or when it comes to your claim. because we, we are sharing the border, reassuring families with them. so it's, it's actually a hard choice and i think once again, the russian would appreciate anyone who can actually a sense of how fast man sounds as well. so with our neighbors and hopefully rebuild the country and make sure that the, you know, it does what it needs to do for its people. now i think by the way, what was being so sort of to, to do country. one of the things that it's important to note is that the, the subject and the relationship is between both countries, ukraine and russian. because the menu made africans and sort of because in particular going chiefs and then this is such a desperate during the days of pockets of both russia and ukraine, paid

a very important role. and i think that's what adds to the fit of confusion that you find ourselves and thought, i think in terms of who do support in this all hands been on the line position when you're talking about the ukranian uh, associates, republic, you know, and that it was part of the soviet union and the legacy of the soviet union for the current airprint and leadership. you know, it's a bowman nation total abomination. they don't recognize any of that as a, something legitimate, this part of the history. they see that uh, in totally black turns. so when a south african leaders during a process year a went to a desa, they went to the soviet union and it is a russian that is a legal successor of, of the country, not only in a sort of international what terms, but also in terms of ideology and recognizing that, you know, that's part of that chapter about history. it was difficult, but it was there and you cannot just stick it out. and perhaps, and,

and this is where a south africans are inspiration for us. because i think sometimes when i speak to south african experts, you have a much more objective look at that period of soviet history in terms of social safety and as in terms of public services, you know, and it was an old black at that time. and i think the in part of your current government is also inspired by those ideas. but it has been able to re adjust as to more than times. but it's hard to argue that governments need to provide social services and be supported for the citizens in multiple ways. don't you think so? you know, i'll, i'll, i'll understanding and view of the, the, this will be a junior, and of course it's, it's all grandiose. it's, it's great because they are provided with all and the assistance that we need. but of course, if you speak to uh other people that live during that period where they in the right shop, wrap up today. oh, and ukraine. as i said, they don't recognize that together, but for us,

we're talking about the good job part of the job, the importance uh, the, the africans were physically in ukraine, not disbanding the politics of today. and for them on to do the interpretation and analysis on the way to sit on this, well, they think of the people and joe, and that's what i meant. okay, well mr. franklin has been a fascinating conversation, but we have to live in there. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thanks for having me. and thank you for watching hope to share again unable as a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the argument as a group which attempted and needs and in russia leave the positions in the southwest in russian city of ross, of on don't think fights as well. head back to that feel comes a deal to and the meets. and it was broken by the us and presidents, it in coordination with the russian presidents, which will see the wagner, chief, guinea pig, gordon, lead russia, developers, and stories that saved the news this week. a recruiter, the world's biggest financial giants, was caught on camera saying the one ukraine is close of business. the banks really

run the well. the indian prime minister mode is visited to the us such as the host of policy makers of the us congress on about all present. joe biden mistakenly puts a hand on his chest as the indian national on the sunday. that means is the weekly hit on oxy international moneys pizza scott's here with some of the stories, the shape of the news this week. the 1st, we start off with the latest news from russia. overnights the fights is from the wagner group less depositions in the south west in russian city. a rest of them don't leave me to the heading. back to the field comes the means came after the bell of russian presents alexander lucas jenco, held negotiations when you gave me a precaution and coordination with the bush and presidents. now here's the moments, the wagner chief left, the headquarters of the military district,

enroll stuff on done, which had been captured by the group and then attempted mutiny. you have any precaution is now said to be on his way to fellers the wagner fights has managed to seize the headquarters of one of the local miniature districts. the monday i meeting with the ministry bras is how the groups had to explain his decision to park down to a guy walking in and they want you to just so i'm a p. m. c. vogue. now. we went to the march of justice on june. the 23rd, and today we go to, within just 200 kilometers, most go. during this time, we've not shed a single drop of blood from off by just the july. now we've approached the moment when blood can be shed, realizing the full responsibility for the fact that the russian blood will be shuttled one side of why we turn our columns around and go in the opposite direction to the field camps. according to the maya, god, that could work more, is it? but i'd say we are standing right next to the military headquarters here in a row. solve that was blocked for the entire it's

a the streets here are still close. however, the soldiers, i'll be a wagon in groups, i'm not collecting their belongings, are now getting prepared to leave here. you can still, you can see that there are a lot of fi civilians here on the streets taking pictures. we can see that the wagner group has turns on their equipment and they're getting ready to you. i've seen them collecting their ammunition. the whole thing to david arrive here was and it looks like the situation has now completely z escalated this, but it shows the ministry district enroll stuff on dawn, following the departure of wagner troops, accountants, our measures are still in place for the can see the situation in the city books. com the currently the announced that the criminal case against the volume to follow the guinea pig ocean will be dropped and he will leave russia to go to bellows for some spokesman dmitri pitts costs out of the bonus. fight,

as will not be prosecuted. taking into account the efforts on the phone lines in the ukraine, conflicts the by the russian president's best office on the line, the importance of the escalating tensions. the negotiations were held throughout the day. we came to an agreement on the end, admissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of russia. the head of the wagner pmc accepted the proposal of the president of valerie, was to stop the movement of armed wagner personnel on the territory of russia, and to take further steps to de escalate attention. we're grateful to the russian president lucas shingle for his efforts. he's known to bmc evolving the head for 20 years, and it was the president's personal initiative. he managed to resolve the situation with alfredo losses and escalation. as a result and agreement was reached at the bmc will return to the field caps. some of the advisors will sign contracts with the russian defense ministry. they have changed their minds and as the ministry to come back, as for the others, no one will persecute them. we have always respected there who were deeds as full

devoted ahead. you've given a precaution to criminal case has been terminated, and he himself will leave for bella luce, the evening conversation to things. disagreement was one and constructive on friday, the volume, the chief, guinea pig ocean to use the rest the military of targeting. one of the companies comes in a rocket to talk allegedly killing some of its fights. as the russian defense minister dismissed the obligations of this information, either invalid too much on moscow and deal with those responsible, wanting the ministry to stay out of his way. from the us state senator richard black says pre collision appears to like support from many of the wagner troops as they are committed to defending the country. i'm very surprised that he agreed to the deal. um, very, very surprised. there was a deal at all. but my guess is that the,

the issue for him was that his, his own people were not supporting him. you know, the, the wagner group for a very hierarchical a, a back mode. and they established a tremendous reputation among the russian people. and i'm sure that for many of those veterans of those battles were, there was so much blood should then for their reputation suddenly to be tarnish, and for them to be viewed by the russian people, not as heroes, but as traders. i think i think that probably was very troubling to them. and i said progression was probably losing strength. and when president put in public way denounced, they drive towards moscow. my guess is there were a lot of people in the wagner group research work. this is not, we, we, we were willing to give our lives to defend russia. we are not willing to die to defeat russia. i think this is a lesson learned. you're,

you're never want to allow a mercenary force with had to rush so much independence to gain the power to literally threaten the government of the capital city. us was hoping to see more support for the wagner group by the general population as well as the russian military. i don't see that happening and, and, and, and at the same time, we're seeing an effort to buy certain people here on the, in the west to encourage ukraine now to start taking advantage of this. so, but i think it's going to be short lived. i in, in my opinion because i just don't see any ground swell for the, for support. uh, for this action ultimately to in a fact uh, have a cool against russia. and meanwhile,

security forces that were deployed in the russian capital to secure the highways leading into the city council. southern measures were declared by local officials and we'll stay in place despite the bill being confirmed. most goes, man has declared monday a non working day. they also said that there are no restrictions on entering or leaving the city on the situation has remained peaceful on the streets. but does it pick austin large scale public events with postponed and several checkpoints was settled on the outskirts of the russian capital. and the most going to the regions traffic restrictions on the major and full highway, still remaining place media bloggers and politicians of also be more and final thoughts is against disclosing official information to contribute to major mazda. and as the details on the situation, because the things are a little bit different, as russian president vladimir put announced earlier, anti terrorism measures have been put into place here in moscow, but also in the greater moscow region. and we have reports of checkpoints that have

been set up and also national security personnel that are on alerts. now these anti terrorism measures have also been stood up in a nother city. but on this, which is about part way between here in moscow and are also found on where wagner group fighters faced off against russian military earlier. now what exactly does this mean? what are these measures? well, the last time they were used was in 1991 during and attempted to by a communist party hardliners against then president mikhail gorbachev. and they're really, really rarely used. but um, exceptionally in this particular case, and what they mean is that checkpoints are set up that interception of communications, including email and telephone calls can occur. searches

of bags or cars can occur at check points. people can also be asked to produce identification. so these measures are really exceptional, but um, for now, people are out and enjoying the weather and things don't seem to be too much different here in downtown last week. and checkouts all websites, all t dot com for live updates about the wagner needs in the attempts, as well as all the latest developments can be processed. and of course you can stay tuned to right to on off feet on going coverage the now to some the news that shaped the weekend on odyssey a recruiter, it's america's biggest financial jobs. black rock has of methods that was good for business, but what he didn't know was that his remarks were caught on camera, not feasible. marsha dick's deep, one of the world's most powerful us asset management firms. black rock has had the tories reputation for a long time,