and do you have the info? so what do i choose? that date? is this the new 10 1st? so this is, this is the situation i agree with you that the or did natalie did should have been done plate. um, it would have been a discussion there by the way, discussion people have a pleasant printed on how much will be guy issues, particularly ending dual. but because they use a wonderful place to get in that particular regard. unfortunate, you start up, you're going to have to abide by that. now i assume south africa has to make very and difficult choices, not only with regards to legalities of, they are assessing your 4th order, but also, you know, menu were among various parties, particularly deciding how to go about the western pressure. and earlier this month, use low make her sound, elijah, to the us department of state's essentially proposing to limit the south african access to american market due to what they call the country. they've been in military relationship with russia, and we are talking about nearly $1000000000.00 worth of experts in just 3 months of

this year. so it's, it's a lot of money. and the south africa is getting those opportunities under the documents called the african growth, an opportunity to ask how serious of us around that is, do you think? well, is of it as soon as such? because as you know, we know that the business and economies pay huge role in, in, in, in, in american politics. and so that's a couple lenders in nevada as find itself in this position where it is offended, stating americans. and to feel that to that much, we are much more closer to russia and as a result of the f as into all of these products. so it's, it's, it's a very important one. first off, it got to uh, to navigates. but i think the initiative that we see last week of the applicant has of states 6 to communicate clearly with sort of like a 5th and disregard. so i think i've insisted that it's not the lines when it comes to this was without it's spending. what? so many believe in this country, and that's that the actions of last week will communicate the different kinds of

message to, to the wisdom terms are based off because it finds itself in district. that's the room opposed to come simply seats within the manual visa emissions. and the rest, including as i'm sitting on that you 20 and it's got a very i know i'm a couple relationship with the with the left, including i to abide. so we'll have to wait and see or what will happen when the negotiations to renew a go uh, starting in august, but did that so that's and day off has been set up because that is i don't think i might just be expelled from my goal. i want to ask you a personal question because i gather from your commentary from your writing. the progressive is liberal, human rights values are close to your heart and you're also not quite critical of president during my full. so for what you call his flip flopping on various your political issues. what do you make of this? a pro is, you know, a promising africa opportunity to it's one occasion and quickly,

a remote or bulky if once any particular country decides to exercise its sovereignty or its neutrality. because the trial with the parent is not to the taste of the west either. what is completely unacceptable, and this is a lie as i pulled those or pulling full mouth to paula, will it? well that has good. allow states to be swing states, all seen countries subjugate, has got. and i could decide to explore on his interest what all i mentioned was interest all. and of course that you sort of got a relationship. i did talk to the understand where the government and some people in south africa seated disregard because of the relationship that just i think ahead with they use a saw and russia in particular. um, but at the same time you have a lot of other people to believe that it's, you know, interest to invest largely on the us really us sort of freak out relationship. and they feel that if we do lose us as a trading partner, it might,

it also you picked the initial interest in the impact when i put on me or reduce it to one very high unemployment rate. so often times in general, i sitting on a much more complicated position. that's why most of them are pushing for this multi point a world where they can have a choice to decide based on the initial interest or to make relationships with and to go to a close to with in terms of economy and finance. well, mr. for good, now we have to exercise our own suffering, right? to take a very short break, but they will be back in just a few moments face you and the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

very clear to get a time time to sit down and talk. the conductor was a parchment then based of a quarter of a senior research fellow at africa, asia dialogue mister for couldn't before the break. he mentioned some of the africans fulfilled, that they have to invest in their relationship with the united states and with the west. they only put all the ags in that bus kid on the, in them, in the threat of losing a whole are there for changes because brakes is ultimately not that nowhere an anti western clap. what we see our faces, the way it's described here in russia, is essentially an organization that is now representing known the western global

majority. so there is no uh, no uniformity of decisions they are. but do i understand correctly that the someone offered to feel that they have to choose either between. 9 the west or the rest? well, i think for those of the kids i put between the bedrock and a hot place. and this one me, by the way it's, it's a great political opportunity where us to control one's going to be saying, what is all. and there's an interest and then after kids have been very vocal in that regard to say that they look at multiple world w, i look at multi relationships with various countries in the world. rates is a very important plan, important platform and reach out for content is most established strong relationships. we have also pilots with olds, with tons of selections that i show trying that united states take you at cetera. again, those are also extremely important. so the current situation that you find also, i think it's a great political opportunity to fall for kids, for the 1st time to,

to connect to the world, to say, listen, we have a multi, a whole lot of relationships with all the possible of the world. and what to dictate relationships between african countries and those black funds is then they should have the interest. and i would say that happening at the moment that i think to an extent those voices are beginning particularly into the use of many in the list in terms of the way off because it's in district entered and rushed up by the way. but i shall also do to understand to know that i'll think as good the rights to choose. it's friends, i think we've, we've got it can be, it can be dictated. and i think that messaging would trickle through from the, from the us, china and russia. and that's why i do believe that dependent stand off that you find those us at the moment is an opportune time to to play those positions. now let's put that ation because aside and speak about, talk about the upcoming break some. and because as we already eluded the issue of 5

louder with windows participation in this, it is pretty charged, especially in, in, in south africa and south, which way inducing is more likely to be in when it comes to the i, c, r s, for, and the other way, so if you guys do period changed, designed to isis, the spot in puzzle does incorporate it into up with solution. the only way you could have uh, the, the, the, the possible address to send it to or not applied would be through the vote in parliament and the attempt to be again, taken to the constitutional court. so as things as being stands right now, if president development puts in lots of visits, subject to subject will be a forced to assume um and did. that's the situation at the moment of close to the very views and sort of in that regard, that you cannot have been the arrest head of states of the size and power of what i show, you know, the new cape house of the low to do create intentional counts and it to be kills

and in international relations that, that, that, that would be extremely, extremely dangerous. but at the same time, if that's an important does come to south africa and just thought that is not that is that, that also will compromise. mostly let total isn't it to allow an invite you to click this open uh on setup because i'd have to go by just find itself also in a much more comfortable position when it comes to. it's all lives, particularly those of the about defending, but by the way, that those, that i put in for the rest, i not have not rectified the icbc add on start jobs. so let's say i think you're talking about the and the united states in particular leaders. 5 launched a number of horrors that led to depths of uh, you know, hundreds of thousands of people. and we all know that many of those wars were launched under false pre taxes. but you mentioned the, you know,

the possible undermining of multilateralism and not upholding the isis, the war arrest warrant then is the same chord that back in 2011. endorsed absolutely bogus charges against more market out there. we know that it's the same chord that didn't issue a single warrant against the western leaders. and i wonder if uh for a country of nelson mandela, what i know was former principals on the, when it comes to, you know, defining who your friends and adding these are, i'm being very solver. and then that choice, i wonder, and that's in a way and betrayal is let me say when you have to sort of side with the polite society and the way that they don't punish you. what i told you to agree with you. and i think we're in a hobby of the 1994 times over to 5 all of these cities and entering into all of this partnerships because wanted to be all subjects by the well, you know, post about it. but, you know, the biggest challenge it is to see if it's a, it's

a double sentence. you know, you've got was on the trip in the form of tony blair. and george bush was it can comfortably not in the respects center or the color of his skin. i mean, this is a man who ravaged, believe it will destroy the country. and this was a relatively prosperous country. i'm not talking even about the warmer. good. asking his fame, but about because he just joined the whole state. it's a open air slave market right now there people sold industries there, but the more i agree, i totally, i totally agree. i mean, double spend, it's so far, it's been the lead us from maybe optic and countries that, that taken today is the see not just standing. that's what people up, what's holding others on a daily basis and putting them in to now in these red. but importantly, tony, blad troubled stream that you know, to spending that to the same man or to customer felt false pretenses including george w bush into the war and it up which is seems created public around the world. so the biggest challenge you die so, so you to double standards, what is the south africa interest in upholding the isis his credibility?

well, i thought of you got something to look to do to withdraw from nice to see. so remember in 2016 after that. so yes, but we had with the form, i pressed it up, so then i found the model by ships. but then the ac conference last year december was seemed that the decision to say that, you know, we need to find those those back. and for the and change with the dicey see, but again, the criticism stands that i see is not uploading just as the quality uh it, it takes others and its quite lenient on others. and this is the case some point. this is a test by the way, but unfortunately, i just thought of you guys of video and had no choice close by to 90 for it. it was looking for a substance. it had to look for, you know, a big step to do all of these clubs and the organizations, including dice, the seats because we wanted to be known as the democratic institution. and unfortunately isn't all what you can have come home tourist. i think it's primarily

western narrative that south africa and reputation as a democratic country would be damaged. and if it doesn't do a, b, and c, all the things that i pushed for by the west, including the i see a rest warren. but i wonder if the south african leadership ability to maneuver to pursue the own interest in these very dire straits noon. i mean, the, the international student is pretty complicated right down many countries have to do a lot of juggling. i mean, the, and the, you know, don't know obstructive values versus practical necessities on that own people. i wonder if, you know, taking offense out of in, you know, your own vision out of your own agenda could earn you some credibility in non western warners. do you think the rest of the world is the looking at africa to see how you know how to behave and this a complicated situation?

i don't want us instead of to tell you is uh is, is by the way the honeymoon is over for a very long time. so take was to, to do it. it's gloves again because we'll bring them in the country, but now we're facing reopen to take and we have to make sort of decisions. and i think i don't realize uh oh, realizes no, that's the national interests, domestic presidents and what they might do that we do. and that's why they have time to do. but again, days that fumbling and a few propping and, you know, treating and throwing in terms of the positions that they're supposed supposed to take. but having said that until they um they, they be able to resign and get out of these treaties that they have, which uh, sometimes um, you know, this had been dishes to day off the conditional interest or side of the condition interest. we're going to be finding ourselves more involved in similar situations. that's the best one. the other point is. so i don't think i kind of want to what am on the left and, and he's just pretty fast as they want to promote and push this modular total isn't

even though most of the doesn't work. i, we know, for example, at the moment that they're talking about to the expansion of united security to console because it's still maintains the, the very few members of decides who lives and dies in the world. just thought of because one of those crunches that phase, we need to expand this. so those are the kinds of topics that side of you guys having and educating to watch the change around the world. but you know, it's, it's a tough time for, for what democracy. but did they have to grab the polls by the homes? and i think this particular one to be nice to see, and i've been doing a lot under photos, the games a major power in the world is one of the greatest tests ever we've had since the don't have democrats in this country. well, it's all way to, you know, all of us come to a point whenever you have to grow up and make some difficult. the choices. i think that was also the case for russia in deciding whether, how to repels western military expansion. then the decision was taken and we all have to leave and deal with

a concert classes are very unfortunate that we will have to do that for many, many years, especially a rush or when it comes to your claim. because we, we are sharing the border, reassuring families with them. so it's, it's actually a hard choice. and i think once again, the russian would appreciate anyone who can actually a sense of the way how class man sounds as well. so with our neighbors and hopefully rebuild the country and make sure that the, you know, it does what it needs to do for its people. now i think by the way, what was being so sort of to, to do country. one of the things that it's important to note is that the sort of relationship is between both countries. ukraine, the english because the menu made the africans and sort of because in particular, boy in chief and day. this is such a desperate during the days of pockets of both russia and ukraine. pate, a very important role, and i think that's what adds to the effect of confusion that we find ourselves and thought, i think in terms of who do support in this all hands been on

a line position when you're talking about the ukranian uh, associates, republic, you know, and that it was part of the soviet union and the legacy of the soviet union for the current in printing leadership. you know, it's a bowman nation total abomination. they don't recognize any of that as a, something legitimate, this part of the history. they see that are in totally black terms. so when a south african leaders during a prostate era went to odessa, they went to the soviet union. and it is a russian that is a legal successor of the country, not only in a sort of international what terms, but also in terms of ideology and recognizing that, you know, that's part of that chapter about history. it was difficult, but it was there. and you cannot just stick it out and perhaps, and, and this is where south africans are an inspiration for us. because i think sometimes when i speak to south african experts, you have

a much more objective. look at the, the period of soviet history in terms of social safety and as in terms of public services, you know, and it was an old black at that time. and i think the in part of your current government is also inspired by those ideas. but it has been able to re adjusted to more than times, but it's hard to argue that governments need to provide social services and be supported for the citizens in multiple ways. don't you think so? you know, i'll, i'll, i'll understanding and view of the, the, this will be a junior and of course it's, it's all grandiose it's, it's great because they are provided with all and the assistance that we need. but of course, if you speak to uh other people that live during that period where they in the right shop of to day, oh, and ukraine, as i said, they don't recognize that either. but for us, we took up up to date your part of the job, the importance uh the, the optic ends where physically in ukraine, not disbanding the politics of today. and for them on to do the interpretation and

analysis on the way to sit on this. well, they think of the people and joe, and that's what i meant. ok, well mr. franklin has been a fascinating conversation, but we have to live in there. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thanks for having me. and thank you for watching hope to share again unable as a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the

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with the latest world news updates as around the, the stories the shapes, the week is good to have you with well, i'm going to force these have withdrawn from southwest in russia without incident as best according to local authorities of the nights the fight has less that positions and most of them don't planning that headed back to the field comes in look guns. and they've came off the butler, russian presidents help because she ations with the groups chief. and here's the moments that you have to me who goes in left to the headquarters of the military district, the most develop, those which have been captured by his group in the attempt to new to me. he's also to be heading to the fight is my as to seize the headquarters of one of the local military districts for the mazda. the nice thing with top ross, he's how the groups need to explain his decision to back down to a guy walking out or they want you to discipline pmc book. now we went to the march of justice on to the toilet side. and today we go to, within just 200 kilometers, must go during this time, we've not shared

a single drop of blood from. i'd like to speak to right now, but we've approached the moment when blood can be shared in realizing the full responsibility for the fact that the russian blood will be shuttled. one side of why we turn our columns around and go in the opposite direction to the field caps or coding or the my, of course was it. but at each set, all these ramon calls the roof was on the scene earlier with more on the off the mouth of the events in law stuff. we are standing right next to the military headquarters here in russ solve on zone. as you can see, the situation has now completely the escalated the roles have been the blog so the traffic is now back to normal. you can see the military here are the back to work. the members of the wagner, a private business or a company have gone as well. uh now i can see some of the consequences of what happened on saturday. um, the military headquarters are right next to the circus. so this is where the tank

was. they have destroyed the escape, so they have destroyed the pavement here as well. the situation was quite sense on saturday, as there were shots fired there was a loud bang as well. we found out that it was the fact that wagner, members were shooting in the air, trying to disperse the crowd for a little attention from the locals as well, who were approaching the members. i'll see a wagner prior. is there a company asking them what they are doing here? what their purpose was and why they're not on the front line. and instead, they're here in a row stall on zone. at 1 point one, they became sold sense. one of the members of the wagon group accidentally shot himself in the 3rd. he was a treated a right away. at the moment, older roads around real self have the zip long. life is back to normal and people sold lease salvage whatever his left off of this weekend.

and a lot of his back to normal women golf for emergency thrust all phones on police. dogs were also used to help sift through the off the mouth of the incident in the city. i checked for any suspicious objects and there is occupied by the sciences. one of the places inspected was the local, the coast which hit the headlines with an image of a ton estimate state. the requirements announced the criminal case against the log in. it's a positive being dropped. the equipment spokesman also said involved in a fight as will not be prosecuted, taking into account the assets on the front lines in ukraine. the butler, russian presidents press office on deadlines, the importance of the escalating tensions. the negotiations were held throughout the day. we came to an agreement on the end, admissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of russia. the head of the wagner pmc accepted the proposal of the president of valerie,

was to stop the movement of armed wagner personnel on the territory of russia, and to take further steps to de escalate attention. we're grateful to the russian president lucas shingle for his efforts. he's known to be received on the head for 20 years, and it was the president's personal initiative to madison. his only situation val figure lost as an escalation, as a result. and the human cause of the stuff is being built down. some of that fight, as will say, contracts with the russian defense ministry. they have changed their minds and ask the minister to come back. as for the others, no one of the 16th dems, which we have always suspected there would be a supposed to go on ahead. you've given a precaution to criminal case and sell only for billers, but either they even conversations or things disagreements. what i'm some stuff to

it was the to about take 24 hours in rush. so let's recap how events unfolded the on friday evening. wagner pmc group, co founder, if kenny, pre collision, says the russian military has attacked or rear camp of the wagner group. russian military officials denied those reports and a criminal case, it gets you any precaution on charges of organizing. an armed rebellion is open the ground, 8 am on saturday morning. a video with any precaution conducting talks with russia's deputy defense minister and military intelligence. chief in the south was to russian city of ro, stuff on john, appears on social media. the wagner chief claims his troops have taken control of the local army facilities and military vehicles are heading to moscow subsidies. we

are at the headquarters. at 7 30 am crossed over the military facilities, including its airfield board, taken under control, police leaving for come. but as well as humanitarian flights are working, as usual, there have been no problems. military vehicles are also seen moving through the streets of the city of roast. on dawn, the russian law enforcement officers in st. petersburg forties are deployed to monitor the situation in the city with reinforced security measures. the counter terrorist operation regime isn't posted in moscow and the surrounding mosque. our region as well as the phone is region. all mass public events or cancel,

rushes to nice ministry calls on soccer fighters not to participate in an armed insurgency. the russian president vladimir putin addresses the nation and describes the unfolding incense as treason to the email of what we are facing now is treason. big ambitions and personal interests have led to the betrayal of one's country, one's nation, and the costs of which mazda suffices and come on. this was slicing along with the armed forces. send me the argument, pete's so that any internal rebellion is a deadly threat to all states, just as a nation. nobody really city, that's a blow against russia. good on that again. so i'll keep home bus and i'll action to defend all the threats will be haws. you use the food ice, we deliberately went on the path of trees and the slab prepared and on rebellion. but he ended up having with arrows the times away with a negative b. b. a college settlement televised speech russian regional leaders express their support for president. the,

an archie corresponded reports and explosions near the military headquarters. it real stuff on dawn. people are seen running from the side of the blast. a lot of people are running low down fog new pmc military hardware is seen moving to the bar owners and neighboring with pets. region governors reassure the public. the law enforcement agencies in the forty's are undertaking all necessary measures to ensure the safety of citizens and bar owners . wagner fighters reportedly attempt to shoot down a russian military helicopter. the aircraft is said to have deployed decoy players to divert the incoming missiles church and russian special forces are seen near the