and what is both, i think if this is it did not make this indictment, you have setup. you cannot do any detailing this discussion. but the fact that you've got the progress issued by a icpc with whom we ever had to fight this deputy homestead to send a member of uh, we have to take it serious. uh and, and the son of the guys got no choice in disregard the cost of it. you said somebody took it, auto buys easy, but did this is a wonderful rest of them. one of the tubs that you belong to. and uh, because i remember you up on to buy a roof regulations and to re up to info as to what to buy to that day. it says the newton falls. so this is, this is the situation. i agree with you. that the natalie due to have been done plate um it would have been a discussion there by the way, discussion people have a close them printed on how much will be guy uses, particularly ending dual. but because they use a wonderful rest of it in that particular regard, unfortunate just setup, you're going to have to abide by that. now i assume south africa has to make very

and difficult choices. not only with regards to legalities of the i see a court order, but also, you know, maneuver among various parties. uh, particularly deciding how to go about with western pressure. and earlier this month, years lawmakers sound elected to the us department of state, essentially proposing to limit the south african access to american market due to what they call the country defending military relationship with russian. we are talking about nearly $1000000000.00 worth of experts in just 3 months of this year. so it's, it's a lot of money. and the south africa is getting those opportunities just under the document called the african growth. an opportunity to ask how serious of us around that if you think of it as soon as such, because as you know, you know, the business and economies pay huge rolling in, in american politics. and so i don't think of a one in nevada as find itself in this position where it is offended,

setting americans into feel that to that much, we are much more closer to russia and as it goes out to the present, to all of these threats. so it's, it's, it's a very important one full set of you've got to uh, to navigate, but i think the initiative that we see last week of the applicant have of states 6 to communicate clearly with that if he gets it, then disregard. so i think i've insisted that it's not the lines when it comes to this was without it spending. what so many believe in this country. and i think that the actions of last week will communicate the different kinds of message to, to the west in terms of based off the find the self and district that sort of them oppose a come simply seats within manual visa emissions. and the rest, including, as i've said it on that you 20 and it's got a very i know i'm a couple relationship with the with the west and cutting edge all 5. so we'll have to wait and see or what will happen when be negotiations to renew a go uh,

starting in august, but did that so that's and day off. yeah. so if you care about this, i don't think i might just be expelled from my goal. i want to ask you a personal question because i gather from your commentary from your writing. the progressive is liberal, human rights values are close to your heart and you're also not quite critical of president durham a full. so for what you call his flip flopping on various your political issues. what do you make of this? a pro is, you know, a promising africa opportunity to it's one occasion and quickly, a remote or bulky if once any particular country decides to exercise its sovereignty or it's in the trial it to because the trial with the parent is not to the taste of the west either what is completely unacceptable and this is the live support. those are pulling full amount to paula will do. well, that has got an allow states to be think states also in countries. so i don't think i has got and i keep decide on it's all on this interest. what's all i mission of

interest all and of course that he's still got a relationship. i id totally understand with the government and some people that are seated, disregard because of the relationship that subject ahead. would they use a thought and restaurant particular um, but at the same time you have a lot of other people to believe that it's, you know, interest to invest largely on the us really us suffolk, our relationship. and they feel that if we do lose us as a trading partner, it might also impact the initial interest in the much impact when i put on me already was due to one very high unemployment rate. so oftentimes in general, i sitting on a much more complicated position. that's why most of them are pushing for this multi point a world where they can have a choice to decide based on the initial interest or to make relationships with and to go to a close to with in terms of economy and finance. well, mr. for whatever, now we have to exercise our own suffering right? to take a very short break, but they will be back in just

a few moments facing the, [000:00:00;00] the smoking doctor was a parchment in base of a senior research fellow at africa, asia dialogue mister for, couldn't before the break. he mentioned, some of the africans fulfilled, that they have to invest in their relationship with the united states and with the

west. if they only put all the ags in that box is, are they in them, in the threat of losing a whole, are there for changes because brakes is ultimately not that nowhere an anti western clock. what the receipt or if he's the way it's described here in russia is essentially an organization that is now representing non western global majority. so there is no uh, no uniformity of decisions there. but do i understand correctly that the someone offered to feel that they have to choose either between the west or the rest? well, i think for those of because i put between the bedrock and the hot place and this one me, by the way it's, it's a great political opportunity where of the consultants are going to be saying, what is on this and interest. and then after tends have been very vocal in that regard to say that they look at multiple world w, i look at multi relationships with various countries in the world. rates are very

important plan important platform in each of the content is most established strong relationships. we have also pilots with olds with countries such as what i show a china united state take you, et cetera. again, those are also distributing important. so the cutting situation that you'll find also, i think it's a great political opportunity to paul for goods. for the 1st time to articulate the world, to say, listen, we have a multi, a whole lot of relationships with all the possible of the world. and what would dictate relationships between african countries and those platforms. ease the initial like interest. and i would say that happening at the moment that i think to an extent those voices are beginning particularly into the use of many in the list in terms of the way off because it's in district that entered and rushed out by the way. but i shall also do to understand to know that i think guys good the rights to choose. it's friends. i think we've, we've got it can be, it kind of dictates it. and i think that messaging will trickle through from the,

from the us. try the end rush, and that's why i do believe that the cutting stand off that you find those, those at the moment is an opportune time to, to create those positions. now, let's put that they should because aside and speak about, talk about the upcoming breaks. i'm in because as we already eluded the issue, all 5 of them are put into participation. and this is pretty charged, especially in, in, in south africa and south, which were interesting, it's more likely to be in when it comes to the i c, r. s for, and was the other way. so if you guys do period changed, designed to isis, the spot in puzzle does incorporate it into up with solution. the only way you could have a, b, b, b, the possible address to send it to or not applied would be through the vote in parliament and the attempt to be again taken to the constitutional court. so as things as being stands right now, if president development puts in lots of visits out of the car,

so i don't think i will be forced to assume um, and did. that's the situation at the moment of close to the very views and sort of in that regard, that you cannot even the rest head of states of the size and power of what i show. you know, the new cape also built it to create international counts. and it to be kills and international relations that, that, that, that's going to be extremely, extremely dangerous. but at the same time, if that's an important does come to south africa, and it's not that it's not that is that that also will compromise modular total isn't it? to atlanta invites a huge cause open uh, on setup because i'd have to go by just find itself also in a much more comfortable position when it comes to. it's all lies, particularly those of the about defending. but by the way, that those that i put in for the rest, i not have not rectified the icbc add on start jobs. so let's say i think you're

talking about the and the united states and protect hillary leaders launched a number of wars. uh that led to depths of uh, you know, hundreds of, uh, thousands of people and we all know that many of those wars were launched under false pre texas. but you mentioned uh, you know, the possible undermining of multilateralism and not opposing the ices see what the rest warrant then is the same chord that back in 2011 endorsed absolutely and bogus charges against more market alfie. we know that if the same chord that didn't issue a single warrant against the western leaders. and i wonder if for a country of nelson mandela what i know was former principals on the, when it comes to, you know, defining who your friends and avenues are. i'm being very solver and then that choice. i wonder if that's in a way and betrayal is let me say when you have to sort of side with the polite

society and the way that they don't punish you. what i told you to agree with you, and i think we're in a hobby of the 1994 james. all right, if i am all of these cities and entering into all of this partnerships, i because i want it to be a septic, by the well, you know, post about it. but, you know, the biggest challenge you die is to see if it's a, it's a double sentence. you know, you've got was on the trip in the form of tony blair. and george bush wasn't uncomfortably not in the respects them into the color of his skin. i mean, this isn't meant who ravaged, we bet will destroy that country. and this was a relatively prosperous country. i'm not talking even about the law margaret asking his fame, but about because he just joined the whole state. it's a open air slave market right now. there people sold industries there, but the she did not. i agree, i totally, i totally agree. i mean, it's double spending so far. it's been the lead us from mainly african countries that, that taking today, c c. not just sending that to good people up what's holding others on

a daily basis and putting things, i mean to know it needs to read. but importantly, tony, blad troubled stream that you know, to spending that to the same man who took us on a felt false pretenses, including george w bush into the wall. i knew it off, which is since created hubbub around the world. so the biggest challenge you dies is it double standards. what is a south africa interest in upholding the icing? is credibility? well, it's out of you got sucked into to do to withdraw from nice to see if you remember in 2016 after that. so yes, but we had with the form, i pressed it up, so then i found the model by ships. but then the ac conference last year december was seen that the decision to say that, you know, we need to find those those back and for the and change with the dicey seat. but again, the criticism stands that i see is not uploading just that the quality uh it, it takes others and its quite lenient on others. and this is a case in point. this is a test by the way. but unfortunately this i don't think is

a fit in no one had no choice post 1990 for it. it was looking for a substance. it had to look for, you know, a big step to do all of these clubs and the organizations, including dice, the seats because we wanted to be known as a democratic institution. and unfortunately isn't all what you can have come home just. i think it's primarily western narrative that south africa and reputation as a democratic country would be damaged if it doesn't do a, b, and c. all the things that i pushed for by the west, including the i c. c, arrest warrant. but i wonder if the south african leadership ability to maneuver to pursue the own interest in these very dire straits. and i mean the, the international student is pretty complicated right down many countries have to do a lot of juggling. i mean the, and the, you know, jungle obstructive values versus practical necessities on that own people. i wonder

if, you know, taking a stance out of in, you know, your own vision out of your own agenda could earn you some credibility in non western warners. do you think the rest of the world is looking at africa to see how you know how to behave and this a complicated situation? you all want us instead of to tell you is uh, is, is by the way the honeymoon is over for a very long time. so if it goes to the to it gets gloves again because they'll bring them in the country. but now we're facing real politics and we have to make sort of decisions. and i think i don't realize, uh oh, realizes, no, that's the national interest, domestic presidents. and what do i do that we do? and that's why you have time to do it. but again, days that fumbling and if you're probing and you know, treating and throwing in terms of the positions that they're supposed supposed to take. but having said that until they um they, they be able to resign and get out of these treaties that they have, which uh, sometimes um, you know,

this had been day just to day off the conditional interest or side of the condition interest. we're going to be finding ourselves more involved in similar situations. that's a fixed point. the other point is shut off because it won't do it when i'm on the left and, and he's just pretty fast as they want to promote and push this modular total isn't even though much of the total is it doesn't work. i, we know, for example, at the moment that they're talking about to the expansion of united security to console people it's, it's still maintains the, the very few members of decide who lives and dies in the world. just thought of because one of those crunches that phase, we need to expand this. so those are the kinds of adults that side of you guys having and educating to watch the change around the world. but you know it's, it's tough time for, for what democracy. but the adapter crept at both by the holes, and i think this particular one would be nice to see and i've been doing a lot under photos. the games a major problem in the world is one of the greatest tests ever. we've had since the don't have democrats in this country. well, it's always good. you know, all of us come to

a point whenever you have to grow up and make some difficult. the choices, i think that was also the case for russia and deciding whether how to repels western military expansion, then the decision was taken. and we all have to leave and deal with a concert class as a very unfortunate that we will have to do that for many, many years, especially a rush or when it comes to your claim. because we, we are sharing the border, reassuring families with them. so it's, it's actually a hard choice and i think once again, the russian would appreciate anyone who can actually a sense of how fast man sounds as well. so with our neighbors and hopefully rebuild the country and make sure that the, you know, it does what it needs to do for its people. now, i don't know what was being so sort of to, to do country. one of the things that it's important to note is that the, the sort of relationship is between both countries. ukraine,

the english because the menu made the africans and sort of because in particular going chiefs and then this is such a desperate during the days of potted. so both russia and ukraine paid a very important role. and i think that's what adds to the fit of confusion that we find ourselves and thought, i think in terms of who do support in this all hands been on the line position when you're talking about the ukranian uh, associates, republic, you know, and that it was part of the soviet union and the legacy of the soviet union for the current and coordinate leadership. you know, it's a bowman nation total abomination. they don't recognize any of that as a, as something legitimate this part of the history they see that are in totally black terms. so when a south african leaders during a prostate era went to a desa, they went to the soviet union and it is a russian that is a legal successor of, of the country, not only in

a sort of international what terms, but also in terms of ideology, and recognizing that, you know, that's part of that chapter about history. it was difficult, but it was there and you cannot just stick it out. and perhaps, and, and this is where a south africans are an inspiration for us. because i think sometimes when i speak to south african experts, you have a much more objective look at that period of soviet history in terms of social safety and as in terms of public services, you know, and it was an old black at that time. and i think the in part of your current government is also inspired by those ideas. but it has been able to re adjust as to more than times. but it's hard to argue that governments need to provide social services and be supported for the citizens in multiple ways. don't you think so? you know, i'll, i'll, i'll understanding and view of the, the, this will be a junior, and of course it's, it's all grandiose. it's, it's great because they are provided with all the systems that we need. but of

course, if you speak to uh, the people that live during that period, where are they in the right shop, wrap up today. oh and ukraine, as i said, they don't recognize that either. but for us, we're talking about the good job part of the job, the importance uh the, the optic ends where physically in ukraine, not disbanding the politics of today. and for them on to do the interpretation and analysis on the way to sit on this while they think of the people and drop it off. and that's what i meant. ok, well here's the fact that it's been a fascinating conversation, but we have to live in there. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thanks for having me and thank you for watching. hope to hear again on it was a part of the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the, the, the, the group fine says withdrawal office sunset phase, attempted new to me in russia. thing sciences will now head to fax. the com the been the russian president, health broke of a deal to end the crisis, which was the the wagner chief leave russia slopes out of the, on the 1st state visit to the us of india as prime, minnesota touch as the house of the policy makers in congress, along with presenter buys and he puts his hand on his chest as the indian national

anthem to say the able and welcome see you. you're watching the weekly here on, on see international with the late as well as news updates on the round up. but the stories the shapes, the week is good to have you with us. logging in for days have withdrawal, and from south western russia without incident into quoted the local authorities of a nice the find says left best positions and most of on don't the claiming the headed back to the field. thompson, against the move came off of the bell of russian presidents held negotiations with the groups chief has the moments, thoughts, he has been able goes and left the headquarters of the military district in most of on don't, which have been captured by his group in the attempted new today, he's now supposed to be heading to bella. ruth's early involved, the fight is managed to seize the headquarters of one of the local military districts, where they dom, onto the meeting with top ross. here's how the groups lead to explained his decision to back down to

a guy walked me and they want you to discipline that p. m. c. book. now we went to the march of justice on june. the 23rd. and today we go to, within just 200 kilometers, must go. during this time, we've not shed a single drop of blood from off by just now we've approached the moment when blood can be shed, realizing the full responsibility for the fact that the russian blood will be shuttled one side. when we turn our columns around and go in the opposite direction to the field camps, according to the bottom, that could with more than 2 is ramon calls. the riff was on the scene earlier with more on the often most of the events in rough stuff. and we are standing right next to the military headquarters here in russ cellphone zone. as you can see, the situation has now completely the escalated the roles have been d blog, so the traffic is now back to normal. you can see the military here are the back to work, the members all the wagner, a private business or a company have gone as well. uh now can see some of the consequences of what

happened on saturday. um, the military headquarters are right next to the circus. so this is where uh, at 10 was they have destroyed this gauge so they have destroyed the pavement here as well. the situation was quite sense on saturday. as there were shots wired, there was a loud bang as well. we found out that it was the fact that our members were shooting in the air, trying to disperse the crowd for a little extension from the locals as well. who were approaching the members, i'll see a wagner prior. is there a company asking them what they are doing here? what their purpose was and why they're not on the front line? is that here in a row stall on so on at 1 point one, they became sold sense of one of the members of the wagon group accidentally shot

himself in the 1st. he was a treated a right away. at the moment, older roads around role still have the zip laws. life is back to normal and people full of leave salvage whatever he's left off of this weekend and a life is back to normal. remind golfer of r z rushed off on police. dogs will also use to help sift through the off the mouth of the incident in the city by check for any suspicious object scenario is occupied by the sizes. one of the places inspected was the local circus which hit the headlines with an image of a ton of stuff and it states the criminal is announced a criminal case against the vaulted chase has been dropped. the criminal spokesman also said voc, defiance is, will know, to be prosecuted, taking into accounts their assets on the front lines in ukraine. the by the russian presidents press office on the lines, the importance of the escalating tensions. the negotiations were held throughout the day. we came to an agreement on the end, admissibility of unleashing

a bloody massacre on the territory of russia. the head of the wagner pmc accepted the proposal of the president of valerie, was to stop the movement of armed wagner personnel on the territory of russia and to take further steps to de escalate attention. we're grateful to the bill of russian president lucas shingle for his efforts. he's known to bmc involved in the head for 20 years, and it was the president's personal initiative. he managed to resolve this situation with alfredo losses and escalation. as a result of an agreement was reached, the bmc will return to the field caps some of the fight, as will sign contracts with the russian defense ministry. they have changed their minds and as the ministry to come back, as for the others, no one will best succeed them. we have always respected there. he really needs us for the vote in the head. he's getting pre gordon. the criminal case has been terminated and he himself will leave for bella, luce, they even conversation to things. disagreement was, was and constructive. the russian foreign ministry safe laska receive support from

a number of countries to is response to the rebellion, including china. the chinese side has expressed its support of the russian leisure ships efforts to stabilize the situation in the country in connection with the events of june 24th. it has confirmed its interest in strengthening the confusion and further prosperity of russia. earlier president piers and held a phone call with his turkish towns to pause while the rain you know forward. he's also on the lines, best support nelson, one from the sun cost center for women pack and international studies. it's a sign is interested in russia, means it's of us that would have concerns about the development stuff for a ministry, a response of trying to a towards russia, i think, came at the right time, which shows that the charlotte does support the leadership in russia and which is very, very important that this critical state structure is a close neighbor and as

a strategic partner for china as well. so well, i think it's when only natural that we don't want to see any social instability of the chaos in russia. the, the incident itself as being a widely covered across china, a different levels of media, including social media as well. people are talking about it for the approach trying to, uh, mostly concerned about the well being of the russian people went about the social stability of russia, which is quite unnatural. but considering that the country is in the middle of an ongoing conflict in ukraine. so i think it's natural that people are very much concerned. mazda curacy forces with employed in the russian capital to secure the highways leading into the city, kansas. her emotions would have caused by local officials and we'll stay in place despite the peace bill. monday has been declared to

a known working de la scale public events not being postponed, while several check points was set up on the outskirts of the capital. animals going to the regions, traffic restrictions on the main highway have been lifted media, lopez, ons, politicians, and also when was well storage he's against the stores. thing official information father troops was said to have got within 200 kilometers of most good before they finally turned around. it'd be, i think, along the m full highway towards the capital nazis. steve sweeney. sent this report from the route. this looks like any other old re sunday, but it could have been so very different. instead of the trucks and the calls that we're seeing making they way down the i'm for to was arrested uncomfortable. bosco, it could have been tongues unbelief, g vehicles. now, some 10000 fighters, i'm going to see hardware was repeatedly some 200 kilometers outside of most go further down the info,

waiting for the cool to make to so cool mulch on most go. now we have seen some ability vehicles and some soldiers on the outskirts of most go defending the city for the only people of both sky. they were largely under tubs, the balls the restaurants in the shop throat. but as usual, people were going about that diety business. they ignore the cold by precaution to take up arms and join his rebellion in fact, to have the opposite effect. instead of a southern disunity, the people remained united with many promising to defend the city. with some 200 kilometers outside the russian capital moscow, this is the for this point, the vault, the policies advanced on their so called march, but just as which was due to end in the shooting capital. now that's been a lot of speculation about what did happen, what didn't happen most go has into the western countries even knew about what

directly involved in what was that failed to attempt not questions hopping off as to how those policies were allowed to advance. why they would stop, but of course, that would have pitied russian against the russian brother against brother, people who are a cause naturally king to avoid what would be found to be a be a bloody civil war. but as you can see, the road behind me, the info which leads to the russian capital remains open, traffic is able to pause freely. the atmosphere is calm on the situation remains under control. this is the sweeney in the most good region. salty. gowns or websites always he to come live updates about these logs, them you to the attention, the latest developments in the peace process. and of course, stay tuned. hit on the international for more continuing contracts. it was all smiles, handshakes on the big money deals. this week, as well as syncing rolls out the red carpet for the 1st state visit of india's prime minister. as, as the wife's house quotes, new delhi,