is the only thing, let's also be honest about was mistakes happen. you know, mistakes do happen from the fund does happen in the planet overall. so you know, people do make mistakes. communication lines get cut off temporarily. technology less, you don't need to show their own people on the low in the right. cool. you know which i didn't go to, but i saw a bit of it enough guns done as well. america, so i'm just talking about from the shore. so it happens. rushers what happens on the front line, but i think the take away really interesting take away from me in this is the fact that your crime just on the west and they so just basically 1st and then dollars themselves miss old adage, on the phone and i think it was used as a, when your, when your enemy is fighting and wants itself done it throughout the, you know, i think i'm not shows you a lot about where we are in the world. because if you're talking about something like 25000 troops removed from a particular area of that front line, truly the military strategist. so nature. ready will be saying, hey,

there's an opportunity to though you really should move now. now is the time you know, this is a, this is norman g d, j beach is kind of a small area where you go a window of was it a, on your site, in this case it was a ministry. an interesting way to promote what i understand, they read regular russian service, been hand, replace that part of the frontier. george, you mentioned something i think it's very interesting is that, you know, inside the beltway and, you know, in brussels, there was a, a muffled laughter. you know about what are the rushes travails and all that, but the probation is, you know what they are, but you know, the weight is always described as this. you know, a authoritarian, the hard definitely hook with the growth in this to the right. and he's a populace, right. okay. and i don't think, you know, the, the, the, the ideological process, these were very, but we're getting percolate very well because essentially it's bad because rest is having problems. but they really told really they don't really want to analyze how much for the right version is when, when, when you look at his rhetoric, george,

well that's right down the post about the goshen has the yes be in like the end of a best and a lot of the west, i mean, as far as i remember, maybe i think he has been labeled as a terrorist organization by the united states government. i remember he was blamed for the 2016 election that he did either he is of the, the delta from when. so it's suddenly of a a but usually a, the southern embrace of the upgrade goes in. but for the western governments, they just one calles as a feel that this is we're going to go back to the 19 ninety's and uh, and the where you once once filtering can be pushed out, then you know, the, the, you know, there's no, i'll be a successor, waiting in the wings and then you know, or all hell breaks loose. and that's really the western policy. i mean, i know, you know, it is the empire. ok also, i mean they just like it. i, it's,

if it's chaos, then it's good for us. and i think that's why they would be a belief full about what's happened. and i think this will encourage then they, they say, well, you know, it's a says we thought boot is a lot weak up. uh then then we had suspects it. and you know, there's michael mcfall, let me easy he's been doing is usual with a storm as a well book and as always, back down, you know, every time anyone has confronted him, he's always back down. you look what happened with a turkey in 2015 and so on and them. and that's, that is going to be the perception. and i, and i think that, i mean i, i agree with you that the bloodshed was avoided and that's, that's a good thing. and because i think we will see everything yesterday that there was going to be an old might to class a bit between the russian pauses and the rag. no, that didn't happen. but as we move forward, i mean, i think bill rusher really had does have to resolve this problem. and i think that this, this problem and your brain has to be dealt with because i think the frustrations

within the middle of the tray is going to grow. i mean, are they going to feel that this, this needs to be brought to an end? because soon already be commemorating to me is sense the start of this a special mental job races, or they have to bring this to an end to which one can only hope that that is the conclusion that will be drawn by the russian leadership. you need anything, we have 30 seconds before we go to the breaks. i like what you said because you know that with the deb supposed to work, you know, something like michael mcdowell shown. the treatment is very weak, but you actually say just the, with the reverse, he has the capital to be able to make compromises to go look at nuances and whatnot . here i don't have a definitive a position on all of this. i'm still trying to absorb it. like the both of you real quick before we go to the break. yeah, i mean it just, i think it boils down to one main thing. um, yesterday he had every stop choice. if he had taken a more aggressive viewpoint towards this mutually,

you know what was looking at was looking at a situation of actually sending traction soldiers to roaster on. don't that would have been a lot boss that would have been literally upload the boss. and where do you, what do you go from above? think about the that's not my friend. we have to go to the heart break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion said the party, the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence. the point obviously is to place a trust rather than fit the area. i mean,

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some real moves. the ok, let's go back to you in america. so we had to had to go to a heart breakdown interrupted your thoughts, please continue. so yeah, i think so we, we, we looked at a situation where we could have had sort of an internal strive of civil war within russian schools. just put you on a pointed to and i think if they did a very mostly tough and quickly, very quickly worked out a way of actually resolving issue diffusing it and doing, you know, being a, being the chief electric i the, the, the, some new shows or leadership and the state come with the pressure result, the price just i'm, you know, imagine all of these opinion roch's, all these experts on the cnn, you know, with the garbage. they've been writing over los ranchos out, they have to buy federal today. there's also some have been writing, was like, crisis impala, trembling to sit on the edge facing the abyss. you know,

is this the tipping boy? that's oh, this notion so close is, is that is just, that is absolute rubbish. well, i'm not going to name names here, jump, i'm gonna go to jordan, the name of the time that i've done, but it will have to be much the point. the point is i was sent in a link in the early evening and it was basically pack your bags theater. it's over there a quite a bit. it's plenty of the street lamps and they'll probably pick out for you. it was all this bravado, and i just wrote back to back down, he's going into exile and it was just like silence. okay. because this for you both been saying is you come on graciously? every single weekend is they, they reality be, you know, they will never get in the way of their id all and say, okay, and, and, but you know, but you can georgia, you were saying something that we say on our babel podcast and you've said have many to and so i think it's really important is that the initial special military operation was supposed to be done on the jeep. as he would like to say,

i think it's appropriate you that having the wagner of the group was doing it on the jeep to when they came back and bid them, you know where george yeah. what i think that's right. and i think that some, uh, is it clear to the extent that, um, you know, any, anything to be clear because we have so little information has been divulged that the russian government was planning on some very quick um, knock out blown to t a in the early days of the launch of a circle, special village opperation, you know, just falls, zone and skin to interchange your policy. i'm so big intimidate them with that massive force outside kids. and then any would be something similar to what happened in chapter. so back in 9068, that didn't happen. and then once the a, you know, this whole spectrum of the job ration transformed into essentially

a rule, then russia decided not to go down the path of a full scale globalization. but wanted to do it on the trip and with the people such as break goes and i pray golshani is really, you know, a fall back to the air of the 1990 is, i mean, these big, powerful, all the gods who amassed a lot of money and a lot of our and who because do all sorts of things for the government. i have roman, i brahman, they generally the rest of them even a problem of which was also involved in conducting various operations for the government. and yeah, who did it the last day? i mean, the last is yachts and the football club is going to happen to a nicer guy. um i, i but i was and so they said they delegated this to pre goshen as really they delegated the other thing is to figure out some of the various operations this scenario in the, in, in this a handling and so on it. but its,

you pay the price. uh and, you know, it goes in like many uh, generals of the past let, will this go to is had, they said they realize they, i'm, i'm bigger and more important than the government that has given me these lucrative contracts. so yeah, it was, it was the question that they dissolved. so it was in the making, i mean, there's been weeks has been sounding off denouncing the russian states, obviously, believing himself to be boss the more important than uh, than anyone else. yeah. was it, it was a town to end in disaster united martin george brings up a good point because we've talked many, many times the one following the say this has been months and the making here, you know, like why is a brush and barking like the is these a to personally attacking the, the defense minister or the being intelligence alvarado. and you know, and there was no reaction, there was no reaction. it was just something that was sent out there. and it was,

um, it was in russian political culture. it's very disrespectful. you don't usually do that type of thing that you use movie, but to yourself. and so a lot of people really surprised by it and, and i thought it'd be, it'd be a to be an annoyance because it seemed to be distracting from what was at the at hand. and plus, you know, i always kind of fall back on the position he was hired to do a job. okay. and let's be honest, here his fighters took the brunt of the blood, letting. okay. but that's what the deal was that going back to george's, well, the conflict on the cheap, you know, you don't want to send boys there. i'm just going to, um, uh, like buy call in places like that. okay. that was part of the deal. but then again, that showed the class difference, the poor us and lit least advantage ended up going into wagner. yep. that's that's, that's what it's revealed here for a lot of people languish like most of it, which is not the good. well, wagner is and who there is no soak, so the mysteries,

so they all paid money to flights without professional searches, they don't have ethics or audiology has not been by any of the. notice that you that you mentioned earlier that we had indications. we are closed for a long time. i really, i'm surprised that some it really that came to this. i mean, i think probably this, this climax, this my most web page and supposedly looked into the database. you know, i think it was probably helped by western media because, you know, who really sees on those. i roll the petulance on a color for videos that precaution made. it was really west of media. it was western journalist was known as to reach me to them. we really lent on them and gave them the prominence appropriate they shouldn't, they shouldn't have really deserved um, but in terms of that shoot guessing what came next. one of our contributors a matter of the scottish right to bring it right to coach on weiss. i actually predicted this a few months ago, but it isn't an obstacle. we've got some, there was a assumption of the could it's out on the colors and this, this is the guy who was going to put it off. so i think the science was the,

i think we lost sight of who he was and what he does and what is most employees do . he didn't feel that his services and these many services were, were rolled correctly. he's in a complained about like about munition and about the from the far not having the respect that he believes you need is he deserves. the narrative from the defense minister across the defense minister is a key part of this full route, you know, to show you was really the nemesis of this guy who is showing it was really the one he had in his, in his, in his slice. and the silent sites so well, a lot of it, i think, was down to western media. if you do what i did yesterday, i don't voices, but i actually bit the bullet yesterday and put on cnn. listen to cnn. while i did the washing up and various for me to tossed around the house and i was a pools. so the analyst and the academics, the people who i cool wife, bookshelves, people always have what book shelves behind them. i don't know why in america, the academics always have what bookshelves they seem to be more objective and

informed and balance in how they frame the whole circle $2.00 a day. where is the next? the real experts, the journalist, the scene and wheeled out, you know, i've been nice but then way to my next person will. she would just talk central console for ever. okay. he's a brett. he's all checking that he has funds. he was, you know, a, but a, these guy is these journalist, you know, then i went to russia. they never said once in these long, long, long pieces to camera, according to people i've spoken to in russia, according to my, so we never home. so we just here is, i think there's a nice thing about that, you know, the case a stuck up and you realize that you're talking to john, that is really haven't got the faintest idea of what's going on in russia and then place to pitch in a know all of these cliches and lies them hundreds and just this, this part of the law is really is fed to people and

a little bit sticks. a lot of it is actually taking the oh absolutely, it's based on the how much of the year. what, what do you think about and what, how much the catholics have to people they were exposed to rush engaged still believe it. yeah, but i wonder how much of it actually impacted a precaution himself. when he made those videos, the school will charge, you mean, you know, when we can take a step back. i mean, it seemed to me in this, in the, as the beds were on folding up to this weekend versions position was actually being diminished. i mean, bottom, there was a, the wagner group was being withdraw. they've done their job. they, they bled, they got, they got a lot of kudos from the public. i mean, it was very interesting watching over the last, the 36 hours these telegram channels. they worship tim and they had to tie themselves into a huge spread still trying to figure out how do i explain this. ok and,

and it was the and, and then i agree with martin. i think it was just kind of flaming out with knowing somehow there wouldn't be severe consequences. george. yeah, i think so. um. you know, the other he's obviously been trying is luck issuing video off the video and we were astonished that he was good. just speak like this, about the, the top brows up. well, he was still working, but then he was on the contract to them. and that's the way you spoke with them. and um, you know, there's no question that once he has gone down this path of attacking the russian government, they are they, they are the leadership and essentially spreading a message of defeatism. i mean, it was defeatism demoralization. the, well, how, how different are you now from cnn? his mother was saying, how different are you? well, from what the british government does it say, you're basically saying the same thing. i mean,

you're just going there talking points. russia is rubbish. russia is being led by terrible people, russia, con, when this war, like we're getting like getting club and by the you brain is your brain is a much better fight is on the russians. web is now just sounds just like michael look phone. and then the just wonder, well was there was some point at which contact was made between western intelligence services and um, 3 goals and they, why don't you try something might be the right time. mm hm. one thing i can tell you that when i'm going to the city lazarus was go in the city of moscow and talking to people and was observing people. one thing was absolutely sure that there was this profound folk that there would be no bloodshed and they know it's instability. it's something that people dread here. and that's one of the reasons why i buy them yearbook and maintains as popularity. i think for reasons that

martin is already explored here, you know, if you make hard decisions, you have political capital, you can expand it out, doesn't always make you look good. okay. so it's, those are the long term outcome that is important here with a gentleman. this story is far from over and i think we just going around the edges here because so much more can unfold and with the whole, learn a lot more. and we found out of how a lot of this information works right in front of our eyes or a gentleman, smell dinner, and we, i want to thank my guest, american in budapest, and thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time remember across stuff in the, the, the

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just been off. that's quite the billing do manually. well, you'd see a modern manufacturing unit in glasgow. i know cartoons in manchester. it was all really, which was also our misfortune. because had we been a poor country, i don't think they would have come here. can you tell me why that guys do more this for the platforms about you know what the next step would play for all the people? i guess i've taken glitching some hints like on the black to me through the sink into the light to it is not like that. this is a punishment, not harmony. you'll be what i've been doing for centuries. like doing ready though they're using your company. he's here to save you from the oppressive social events and get the future. they propagated falsely. that india is a land of saint john most elephants, kroger dies. and we have to see relate these higgins and peasants. so we have to

convert them to question is to solve this, ogden is going on in the name of knowledge dentist to enter our mission is going through the room, someone on the one of the main reasons for the success of these india comes to me was the did unity among indians, lots of provinces, and got jobs and might as well look on simply fighting with each other the beginning before in hastings, which any aggressive interior list who was able to break up the confederacy of the various states who realize the danger of a brochure which was beginning in 1776. so they taught the british, we'll just get another player. the probably did not foresee the admission effect

that these people who are bringing in that it was not just economic, you know, a create relations that they were looking at. they were looking at political subjugation, which was undermined or not talk through well enough by the local indian kias. with the said the, you can only structure having deal with such needs destroyed. because india, at the time of input a shuttle home, is the 6 which is country and the was, it had the volume of trade was $16.00 of the world, the field value. and in between when the british came here, the story begins and 1716. 1930. did use. what does it use when the indian artifacts sort of stolen from indian temples, houses balances are sent this data to

printer, schmoozing di, british museum. just feed a big stolen item. the and here we are, the night outside of it is boozy. i'm just me. it's gorgeous. from the outside latch on the inside, it's quite controversial as some people might want to call it. so let's head inside and, and see what us on with the artifacts taken from india that this idea is i'm on had, i live in new delhi and i'm just recently graduated from masters and been television school in london. so i was about to move out from london, come back to india. and when i got this opportunity i taught that was the best way

for me to spend my last days in london by going and going and looking at these museums that had artifacts and guys showed bases of belonging to my own country. you'll see this entire section is filled with solid, asian looted artifacts and all the things i saw that kind of the light did my my love for history and i was literally experiencing it see in front of me. and it was of a viewer to mix of emotions that i felt it was, it was, it was it. there was a sense of sadness. there was a sense of pride decides, just like any of these of furniture that belongs to somebody's house belongs to that house and should not be.