and then there's going to be a problem of how to deal with it. but i as, as i said before, i think that the longer this will drags on the more was such problems are going to rise. i don't, i don't think this problem with bread goshen has been sold yet. learn but be, you know, it's a from, from my point of view. i'm glad there was that this incident has come to an end because of past experiences. what i'm thinking of 1917, in the collapse of the russian state. um. but nonetheless, it was overheard. it has been resolved, at least temporarily. but i, i, i would have preferred a per block in handcuffs. i'm sorry, look, i'm old school that way. but then again, it has been resolved and leave it to the point where there was a blood shed. but the ramifications and george was getting close to it is that,

you know, when you read, take up arms against the states. that is the probably the most serious crime you can commit, and it's being watched over that is problematic. martin. yeah, and we would imagine we would assume if you, if you indulge yourself with a narrative of western media, we would assume that coaching being the odd man would come down like a ton of bricks on this guy. anybody else? but your thoughts. i think i'm really putting my head on the book here for the used for which i hate to this, but i actually think the pollution cancer it as, as quite cool poundage and quite measured on quite a leader. me, leaders, by definition, good leaders, leaders of superpowers. usually the french went across just as much as they handle it. and that's why the, that's why they're at the top and that's where they stay a powerful. what is it? 23 is, you know, there was a crisis here today. i don't think it was an attempt to to, i think we're going to be too excited with that. i think it's the, what could you to that is probably wrong. i think the proper french key shape is

want to go down. that route is to detail. so it was a drama and i think it was a drawing, missouri world history. it's just um by precaution. i think he prepared it. i think he knew what the steps involved, so there was no room there was not making it up as you go along. i think you knew exactly where he was doing it. i don't think he intends to go to moscow. i think he knew that will be some sort of negotiation somewhere else. well, the full but they're all lessons lunch and i think, you know, we should reflect on this and i hope mister poaching on his advice is a reflection on it. but we don't have a stringent story. it on the level of accountability on the russian side said much, you know, this been a bit of an outrage, but if she wouldn't cry, what is um, tv personalities are criticized what's going on, but they haven't come up with the so they haven't come up with a re, the professional um 11 is appropriate uh, military speaking and listening is actually quite a good thing. what's, what's the big deal of this guy being in a, in better is, i think he wrote

a lot of it. yes. now i think he would probably just date a, you know, to be this other for, he'll be the professional you it's, it's all to the of the ministry of the, of the ministry structure to the best thing. you know, i think it might be quite good. i mean, i hope pushing at least as the decorum to take a step back and reflect on some of the points this guy raised. that will be a real tragedy if you didn't do that, you know, their work. let's say um the gray areas there were mistakes made. let's just say, let's say it right out front to play all 3 of us. okay. so there's a lot of people that don't have to go and fight. okay. oh, they're pretty good. young people driving their little fancy cars for mommy and daddy and you know, big periods, ambridge. i mean, let's be honest about it. okay. the, let's also be honest about was mistakes happen. you know, mistakes do happen from the fun. it does happen in the funny overall, so, you know,

people do make mistakes, communication lines get cut off temporarily. technology. let's do jobs and you do share their own people and the law in the right. cool. you know which i didn't go to, but i still a bit of it enough to understand as well. america. so i'm just talking about from the side. so it happens. rushers what happens on the front like, but i think the take away really interesting take away from me in this is the fact that your crime just on the west and they so just basically 1st and then dollars themselves me. so outage of napoleon and i think it was used as a, when your, when your enemy is fighting and wants itself, don't interrupt the, you know, i think i'm not shows you a lot about where we are in the world. because if you're talking about something like $25000.00 trips removed from a particular area of that front blood, truly the a military strategist. so nature will be saying, hey, there's an opportunity to though you really should move now. now is the time you know, this is a, this is norman g d, j beach is kind of a smelly. and here we go

a window of was it a on your site, in this case it was a ministry. an interesting way to promote what i understand, they read regular russian service, been hand, replace that part of the frontier. george, you mentioned something i think it's very interesting. is that, um, you know, inside the beltway and, you know, in brussels, there was a, a muffled laughter, you know, about one of the russians travails and all that. but the probation is, you know, today, but you know, the weight is always described as this. you know, a thorough terry in hard yesterday looks like the growth in this to the right. and he's the populace. right. okay. i don't think, you know, the, the, the, the ideological process, these were very, but we're getting percolate very well because essentially it's bad because rest is having problems. but they really told really they don't really want to analyze how much further, right? the version is when, when, when you look at his rhetoric, george, well that's right. then the cost about the goshen has the yes. the like the end of

a beth and the love of the west. i mean, as far as i remember, maybe i think he has been labeled as a terrorist organization by the united states government. remember, he was blamed for the 2016 election that he did either he is a fee is a delta from when. so it's suddenly very peculiar, the southern embrace of the upgrade goes in, but full of the western governments. they just want chaos as a feel of this is we're going to go back to the 19 ninety's and uh, and the where you once was filtering can be pushed out. then you know, the, the, you know, there's no, i'll be a successor waiting in the wings and then you know, all hell breaks loose. and that's really the western policy. i mean, i know it is the empire. okay. also, i mean, just like it, i, it's, if it's chaos, then it's good for us. and i think that's why later they will be a believe full about what's happened. and i think this will encourage then they,

they say, look, you know, it's a says we saw features a lot week up. then then we had suspects that and you know, there's michael mcfall, let me easy he's been doing is usual with a storm as a well book and there's always a bank down, you know, every time anyone has confronted him, he's always back down. you know what happened with a turkey in 2015 and so on and them, and that's, that is going to be the perception. and i, and i think that, i mean i, i agree with you that the bloodshed was avoided and that's, that's a good thing. and because i think we will see everything yesterday that there was going to be an old my to class a bit between the russian bosses and the wagner. that didn't happen. but as we move forward, i mean they feel rush or really have that have to resolve this problem. and i think that this, this problem in your brain has to be dealt with because i think the frustrations within the middle of the tray is going to grow. i mean,

are they going to feel that this, this needs to be brought to an end? because soon will already be commemorating to me is since the start of this, a special ministry operations are they have to bring this to an end to which one can only hope that that is the conclusion that will be drawn by the russian leadership. you know, maybe they may have 30 seconds before you go to the breaks. i like what you said because, you know, the, you have suppose to what, you know, but in the southern, like michael mcdowell shown that treatment is very weak. but you actually say just the, with the reverse, steve has the capital to be able to make compromises to go look at nuances and whatnot. here. i mean, i don't have a definitive a position on all this. i'm still trying to absorb it like the both of you real quick before we go to the break. yeah, i mean it just, i think it goes down to one main thing. um, yesterday he had a very stop choice. if he had taken a more aggressive to a new point towards this, i'm using it. now what was looking at was looking at a situation of actually sending traction soldiers to roster on don't. that would

have been a lot boss. that would have been literally upload the boss. and where do you, what do you go from the law both. think about the thought, my friend we have to go to the heart break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion said the party, the the, the

the watching is why is the why in this control if i give but plenty of the store and this this, she said and i showed order for not imagine just the last name scale nor when i am that's at your desktop session that's just showing your just is when you mine is when you sit on the, you know, the, the, the, the willing of the us over to the, to the local union. dorian show name. yeah. i did she shit, a duck lean. i report the control room for 2 of us. so we fixed you get

the project you system really mean you have enough not to sing, but so it's, uh, that's interesting to see the, well we did the cloud shows actually it's streams of dark news, but i'll let you as well. but the crazy if that's all there is to motivate myself away, but just to do, you still know? sadly, if she ever we get a split the shipper of just stick with a lift or flip that came over to them. i need deals says that you train school, so that's good news. i used to move on when they for each of a couple years opening soon after buddies folks go to frontier dot com. i'm saying yes, i see the best way to take a picture of i'll go and dump it on the straight place so that i'm not

the a while to make across that were all things are considered a hight funeral bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves. the ok. let's go back to you in merits. yeah. show we had to had to go to a hard break. i interrupted your thought, please continue. so yeah, i think so we, we, we looked at a situation where we could have had sort of an internal strive of civil war within russians forces between the pointed to us. and i think if they did a very mostly tough and quickly, very, very quickly worked out a way of actually resolving issue diffusing it and doing, you know, being a, being the chief electric i the, the, the, some new shows or leadership and the state come on the pressure and resolved the

price just, i'm, you know, imagine all of these opinion, rocha's, all these experts on the cnn, you know, with the garbage. they've been writing of a los ranchos out, they have to. but as of today, there's a lot of them they've been writing, was like, crisis impala, trembling to sit on the edge facing the abyss. you know, is this the tipping boyd? all of this notion so close is, is, is, is just that is absolute rubbish. well, i'm not going to name names here. jump, i'm gonna go to jordan, the name of the time that i've done, but it will have to be mazda point. the point is to you. i was sent in a link in the early evening and it was basically pack your bags theater. it's over . there are quite a bit is plenty of the street lamps and they'll probably pick out for you. it was all this bravado, and i just wrote back to back down, he's going into exile and it was just like silence. okay. because this for you both been saying is you come on graciously? every single weekend is they, they reality be, you know,

they will never get in the way of their id all and say, okay, and, and then you know, which in georgia you were saying something that we say on our devil podcast and you've said have many to and so i think it's really important is this, the initial special military operation was supposed to be done on the jeep, as he would like to say, i think it's appropriate you, that having the wagner of the group was doing it on the jeep to when they came back and bid them, you know, where door got what i think that's right. and i think that some uh, is it clear to the extent its, um yeah. any, anything to be clear because we have so little information has been divulged that the russian government was planning on some very quick um, knock out blown to t a in the early days of the launch of a circle spectrum of the tree opperation, you know, just falls zalinski into interchange of policy. i'm so big intimidates them with

that massive post outside kids and, and then they would be something similar to what happened in chapter. so back in 96, the that didn't happen. and then once the a, you know, this whole spectrum of the job ration transformed into essentially a rule, then russia decided not to go down the path of a full scale localization. but wanted to do it on the cheap and with the people such as a precaution, pre golshani is really, you know, a fall back to the air of the 1990 is, i mean, these big, powerful, all the gods who amassed a lot of money and a lot of our and who could just do all sorts of things for the government. i have roman, i promise. they generally the rest of them even a problem which was also involved in conducting various operations for the government. and yeah, who did it the last day? i mean, the last is yachts and the football club is going to happen to

a nicer guy of the above but i was and so they said they delegated this to pre goshen as really they delegated the other thing is to figure out some of the various operations is syria in the, in the, in this a handling and so on. it, but its, you pay the price. uh, and, you know, it goes in like many uh, generals of the past. let, will this go to is had, they said they realize they i'm, i'm bigger and more important than the government that has given me these lucrative contracts. so yeah, it was, it was the question that they dissolved. so it was in the making. i mean, there's been weeks has been sounding off the denouncing the russian states, obviously, believing himself to be boss the more important than uh, than anyone else. yeah, it was, it was a town to end in disaster united martin. george brings up a good point because we've talked many, many times, the one following the say this has been months in the making here. you know,

why is a brush and barking like he is? these are to personally attacking the, the defense minister, or the bi intelligence opera and, you know, and there was no reaction, there was no reaction. it was just something that was sent out there. and it was, um, it was in russian political culture. it's very disrespectful. you don't usually do that type of thing where you usually bid to yourself. and so a lot of people really surprised by it and, and i thought it'd be, it'd be, uh, would you be an annoyance because it seemed to be distracting from what was at the at hand. and plus, you know, i always kind of fall back on the position and he was hired to do the job. okay. and let's be honest, here his fighters took the brunt of the blood, letting. okay. but that's what the deal was that going back to george's? well, the conflict on the cheap, you know, you don't want to send boys there. i'm just going to, um, uh, like buy call in places like that. okay. that was part of the deal. but then again,

that showed the class difference, the poor us and lit least advantage ended up going into wagner. yep. that's that's, that's what it's revealed here for a lot of people wish legal services. no to get well. wagner is on who there's the folks out there most res. so they all paid money to fight for the professional associate. they don't have ethics or audiology has not been by any of the. notice that you that you mentioned earlier that we had indications. we are closed for a long time. i really, i'm surprised that some it really that came to this. i mean, i think probably this, this climax, this my most web pretend supposedly looked into the database. you know, i think it was probably helped by western media because yeah, who really sees on those. i roll the petulance and the color for the videos that precaution made. it was really west of media. it was western joe, this was an honest degree, treated them. we really lent on them and gave them the prominence appropriate they shouldn't, they shouldn't have really deserved, but in terms of su guessing what came next. one of the contributors

a matter of the scottish wright. so brilliant roger coach on weiss, i actually predicted this a few months ago, but it isn't an article. got some, there was a assumption of the could it's out on the colors and this, this is the guy who was going to put it off. so i think the songs was the, i think we lost sight of who he was and what it, what it does and what is most employees do. he didn't feel that his services are these many services were, were rolled correctly. he's in a complained about like around the nation and about the from the far not having the respect that he believes you need is he deserves. the narrative from the defense minister across the defense minister is a key part of this full route. you know, to show you was really the nemesis of this guy is showing it was really the one he had in his, in his, in his slice. and this island sites, so well, a lot of it, i think, was down to western media. if you do what i did yesterday, i don't realize it. but i actually bit the bullet yesterday and put on cnn. listen

to cnn. while i did the washing up and various for me to tossed around the house and i was a pools. so the analyst and the academics, the people who i cooled wife bookshelves, people always have what book shelves behind them in any way in america. the academics always have what bookshelves, they seem to be more objective and informed and balance in how they frame the whole circle $2.00 a day. where is the x, the real experts, the journalist, the scene and wheeled out, you know, been nice, but then wait a month. and next person will, she would just talk central central for ever. okay. he's a bread, he's all taking that he has funds. he was, you know, a, but a, these guy is these journalist, you know, then i went to russia. they never said once in these long, long, long pieces to camera, according to people i've spoken to in russia, according to my. so we never heard of. uh, we just here is, i think there's a nice thing about that, you know, the case i stuck up and you realize that you're talking to john is

a really haven't got the faintest idea of what's going on in russia and then place to pitching a know all of these cliches and lies them hundreds and just which this part of the law is really is fed to people and a little bit sticks. a lot of it is actually taking the oh absolutely it's, it's the how much of the year. what, what do you like for that and what, how much the catholics half the people they were exposed to russia gave still believe it. yeah. but i wonder how much of it actually impacted precaution himself when he made those videos there. but your to mean, you know, when we can take a step back, i mean, it seemed to me in this, in the, as the beds were unfolding up to this weekend, the groceries position was actually being diminished. i mean, bottom, there was a, the wagner group is being withdraw. they've done their job. they, they bled, they got, they got a lot of kudos from the public. i mean,

it was very interesting watching over the last, the 36 hours these telegram channels, they worshiped him and they had to tie themselves into a huge spread. still trying to figure out how to explain this. ok and, and it was the end. and then i, i agree with martin, i think it was just kind of flaming out with knowing somehow there wouldn't be severe consequence. it's george. yeah, i think so. um, you know, the other he's obviously been trying is luck, issuing video off the video and we were astonished that he was good. just speak like this, about the, the top brows up. well, he was still working, but then he was on the contract to them and that's the way he spoke with them. and um, you know, there's no question that once he has gone down this path of attacking the russian government, they, are they the leadership and essentially spreading

a message of defeatism. i mean, it was defeatism demoralization that, well, how, how different are you now from cnn? his mother was saying, how different are you, the british government? does it say you're basically saying the same thing? i mean, you're just going there talking points, rushes rubbish. russia is being led by terrible people rustic on when this war, like we're getting like getting club and by the, your brain is your brain is a much better fight is on the russians. well, is loud just sounds just like michael look phone. and then the, this one, the well was there was some point at which contact was made between west the new challenges, services and um, 3 goals and they, why don't you try something might be the right time. one thing i can tell you that when i'm going to the city, but as this was go in the city of moscow in talking to people and was observing people, one thing was absolutely sure that there was this profound folk,

there would be no bloodshed, and they know it is this ability is something that people dread here and that's one of the reasons why i buy them yearbook and maintains as popularity. i think for reasons that martin is already explored here. you know, if you make hard decisions, you have political capital, you can expand it out, doesn't always make it look good. okay? so it's, those are the long term outcome that is important here. but the gentleman, this story is far from over. i think we just going around the edges here because so much more can unfold the whole, learn a lot more. and we found out of how a lot of this information works right in front of our eyes. all right, gentlemen, smell, dinner and we, i want to thank make us american in budapest and thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time, remember across stuff, it's the

acceptance and i'm going to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do you have the state department to see i a weapons bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do, don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way and say the wagner forces are seeing, returning to move on to the region as the chief of the mercenary group of banners and meet read tent. after agreeing to a deal that we'll see him leave russia about the roof, the western media claim us officials expected more afford shut in the wagner chase

attempted mutiny as russian allies, including china, under ron express support from moscow following the weekends event. and israel's summons the premium in the bathroom, probably accusing israel. i'm not sending enough a to key at the coming to you why from the russian capital. this is r t international. i'm rachel blah. but to at the top stories of the, our welcome to the program. wagner forces have been seeing withdrawing from t russian regions claiming their heading back to their field cans. after negotiations ended the groups mutiny attempt the latest, but it shows call. it's moving through the logos for public oper, withdrawn from the russian city over a $1000.00 where they seized a number of military facilities on saturday. wagner cheap. if jenny for goshen

agreed, just stop to meet me and we've russia for bella. ruth, after talks with all russian president lucas, chicago, and coordination with the russian president vladimir putin, artes roman costs are up, takes a look at the aftermath of wagner's prizes enroll silva, not bloodshed here. and rest of i'm gone has enough versus members of private company. have and now left the city. we are right next to the headquarters of the military here in law storm on dawn and its back concert, their control, the ministry police. here you can see the guy it's far back to work. however, the consequences of this farm use any roommates take a look at this game is been destroyed by saying solve the wagner military group. there are 10 tracks on the street as well, but the roles have beans and blogs. now of course,

so the situation here was the very sense on saturday. and i tried to gauge people's opinion about what happened here. they need to sort out their relationship after victory. it broke my heart, seeing what happened. we were worried, but now everything is fine. with very glad that everything worked out safely and without bloodshed and jermel leave all the forces a note that they just did a bad thing. i think what took place should never have happened, though they behaved comedy and polite just citizens. they let people to come up to the vehicles, take pictures, but nevertheless, i'm a gang subtractions. they don't improved the authority of our country to be a serious sensor of the city and on the outskirts of the city as well. people are now able to move around freely. however, on saturday, the situation here was very tense. indeed. they weren't shots flyers. we heard the

sang sang explosions as well as people ram for their lives. take a look at how it whole happened. the . the most of military facilities, including each air fields, were taken under control. who wants to talk with the chief of staff and defense

minister, but they are not here we have blogs, the rest of region and are headed to moscow. the way i was facing now is treason. big admissions and personal interests have led to the betrayal of one's country, one's nation, and the cost of which boxes fights has and commodities with fighting along with the armed forces of pete's. any internal rebellion is a deadly threat to us states to us as a nation. it's a blow against russia against people, and all i.