so it happens rushers what happens on the front line. but i think the takeaway really interesting take away from me in this is the fact that your crime just and the west and they so just basically 1st and then dollars themselves miss out outage on the phone and i think it was used as a when your when your enemy is fighting and wants itself done throughout the, you know, i think i'm not shows you a lot of talking about something like 25000 troops removed from a particular area of that front line. truly the military strategist. so nature. ready will be saying, hey, there's an opportunity to though you really should move now. now is the time you know, this is a, this is norman g d, j beach is kind of a small area where you go a window of was it a on your site, in this case it was a ministry. an interesting way to promote, when i understand the regular russian service been hand, replace that part of the frontier. george, you mentioned something. i think it's very interesting inside the beltway, and, you know, in brussels, there was a,

a muffled laughter. you know about what are the rushes travails and all that, but the probation is, you know what they are, but you know, the weight is always described as this. you know, a authoritarian, the hard, definitely hook with the broken this to the right and he's a populace. right. okay. and i don't think, you know, the, the, the, the ideological process, these were very, but it didn't percolate very well because essentially it's bad because rest is having problems. but they really told really they don't really want to analyze how much further right progression is when, when, when you look at his rhetoric, george, well that's right. then the cost about the goshen has to be used in like the end of a beth and a lot of the west. i mean as far as i remember, maybe i think he has been labeled as a terrorist organization by the united states government. um, i remember he was blamed for the 2016 election that he did either. he ends up in the delta from when. so it's leave

a julia let the southern embrace of the upgrade goes in. but full of the western governments. they just one calles as a feel of this is we're going to go back to the and uh and the where you once once filtering can be pushed out, then you know, the, the, you know, there's no obvious success or waiting in the wings and then you know, or all hell breaks loose and that's really the western policy. i mean, i know it is the empire. ok also, i mean they just like, you know, it's, if it's chaos, then it's why later they will be a belief full about what's happened. and i think this will encourage then they, they say, look, you know, it's, it's, as we saw, it is a lot weak up. uh then, then we have suspects that, and you know, there's michael mcfall. let me easy he's been doing is usually a twitter storm is saying, well, booting is always back down. you know, every time anyone has confronted him, he's always back down. you look what happened with a turkey in 2015 and so on and them. and that's,

that is going to be of the perception. and i think that, i mean i, i agree with you that the bloodshed was avoided. and that's, that's a good thing because i think we will see everything yesterday that there was going to be an old might to clash a bit between the russian bosses and the wagner. that didn't happen above as we move forward. i mean, i think the brochure really have does have to resolve this problem. and i think that this, this problem in your brain has to be dealt with because i think the frustrations within the middle of the tray is going to grow. i mean, are they going to feel that this, this needs to be brought to an end already be commemorating to me is since the job braces, i have to bring this to an end to which one can only hope that that is the conclusion that will be drawn by the russian leadership, you might need to say we have 30 seconds before we go to the breaks. i want to let you know about the seller mike michael. my ball showing improvement is very weak, but you actually say just see what the reverse. steve has the capital to be able

limits isn't what not you have sleep, i don't have a disability. i position on all this. i'm still trying to absorb it like the both of you real quick before we go to the break. yeah, i mean, it just, i think it goes down to one stop choice. if you take one more aggressive viewpoint towards distribution, you know, what was looking at. we was looking at a situation of actually sending traction soldiers to roster on don't want to truly upload the boss. um, where do you, what do you go from above? think about the that's not my friend. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion said the party, the release of come to the russian states. never as tight as on the phone in the most

sense. community best ingles, all sense and up the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you say even closer to the willingness to a sober tutorial? no credit union? dorian show name. yeah, i do. she shit. a doctor. i mean i report the con program for 2 of us. so we just,

you get to move all the way to system really being you have enough lots and lots of lots and lots of let's see what we did. the boom cloud shows actually it's strange uh, fox news, but i'll let you drive both on the on their own crazy if that's what they're used to motivate my software, but just to, to use it on a satellite. if chevrolet get a split the shipper instead of just stick with a lift or flip that came over to them, i need deals that says that you are in school. so that's for only for each of the, for couple years. you not to buy useful shoot the job here. nestle choose the feature of the double plate, the straight place so that i'm not

the a while to make across that were all things are considered a hight funeral bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves, the ok, let's go back to you in america. so we had to had to go to a hard break. i interrupted your thought, please continue. we. we looked at a situation where we could have had sort of an internal strife, a civil war within russian. so let's just put you on a pointed to and i think if they did a very mostly tough and quickly, very quickly worked out a way of actually resolving issue diffusing it and doing, you know, being a, being the chief electric i the,

some new shows are leadership and the state come with the pressure and resolve the price just i'm, you know, imagine all of these opinion right now with the garbage. they've been writing over los ranchos out. they have to buy federal today. there's also some they've been writing was like, crisis impala, crumbling, pushing on the edge, facing the abyss. you know, is this the tipping boy? that's all of this notion. so close is, is, is that is just, that is absolute rubbish. well, i'm not going to name names here, jump, i'm gonna go to jordan, the name of the time that i've done, but it will have to be my, the point. the point is to you. i was sent in a link m e early evening and it was basically pack your bags theater. it's over there, a put a, there's plenty of the street lamps and they'll probably pick out for you. it was all this bravado, and i just wrote back to back down. he's going in silence. okay. because this what you both been saying is you come on graciously. every single weekend is they, they reality be, you know, they will never get in the way of their id all and say,

okay, and, and then you know, which in georgia you were saying something that we say on our devil podcast. and you've said it many times, i think it's really important is that the initial special military operation was supposed to be done on the cheap as he would like to say. i think it's appropriate you that having the wagner, the group was doing it on the jeep to when they came back and bid them, you know, where door got what i think that's right. and i think that some uh, is it clear to the extent its, um yeah, any, anything to be clear because we have a so little information has been divulged that the russian government break um, knock out blown to t a in the early days of the launch of a circle, special village opperation, you know, just falls zalinski into an interchange your policy of so big, intimidates them with that massive force outside kiff. and then they would be

something similar to what happened in chapter. so back in, i guess, 68 that didn't happen. and then once the a, you know, this whole spectrum of the trop ration transformed into essentially a rule, then russia decided not to go to localize ation. but when with the people such as break goshen, i pray going through these really you know, a fall by to the air of the 1990 is i mean these big, powerful all the gods who amassed a lot of money and a lot of our and who could just do all sorts of things for the government. i have roman i brahman, they generally the rest of them even a problem which was also involved in conducting various operations for the government. and yeah, who did the last, i mean, the good good enough happened during nice a guy um uh i but i was and so they said they delegated this debris goshen

as really they delegate of other things to free goals. and i'm in the various operations in syria, in the, in the, in the saw handle and, and so on. it, but its, you pay the price. uh, and, you know, it goes in like many uh, generals of the back cost less. will this go to his head, these are the realize a i'm, i'm bigger and more important than the government that has given me these lucrative contracts. so, you know, i was, i was the question that they dissolved weeks has been sounding off denouncing the russian states. obviously believing himself to be vastly more important than uh than anyone else. yeah, it was, it was a town to end and disaster. it'd be taught many, many times. so when following the story, this has been months and the making here, you know, why is a brush and barking like the defense minister or the of the intelligence out. but in the end there was no reaction. there was no reaction. it was just something that was sent out there and it was, um,

it was in russian political culture. it's very disrespectful. you don't usually do that type of thing what you usually but to yourself. and so a lot of people really surprised by it and, and i thought it'd be, it'd be a to be an annoyance because it seemed to be distracting from what was at the at hand. and plus, you know, i always kind of fall back on the position he was hired to do a job. okay. and let's be honest, here his fighters took the brunt of the blood, letting. okay. but that's what the deal was that going back to george's, well, the conflict on the cheap, you know, you don't want him of like buy call in places like that. okay. that was part of the deal. but then again, that showed the class difference, the poor us and lit least advantage ended up going into wagner. yep. that's that's, that's what it's revealed here for a lot of people wish most of it, which is not the good. well, wagner is on who those talking to folks out there? most res. so they all paid money to flights. without professional searches,

they don't have ethics or audiology has not been by any of the notice that you mentioned earlier that we had indications we had closed for a long time. i really i'm surprised that some it really that came to this. i mean, i think probably this, this climax, this my most webpage and supposedly looked into the database. you know, i think it was probably helped by western media because, you know, who really sees on those. i roll the petulance on a color for videos that precaution made. it was really west of media, it was western joe. this was an honest to reach out to them. we really lent on them and gave them the prominence appropriate. they shouldn't, they shouldn't have really deserved um, but in terms of actually guessing what might be a scottish right to bring it right to coach on weiss. i actually predicted this a few months ago, but it isn't an obstacle. we've got some, there was a assumption of the could it's out on the colors and this, this is the guy who was going to put it off. so i think the songs was the, i think we lost sight of who he was and what it,

what it does and what is most increased do. but yeah, he does, and he's managed services were planned about like around the nation and about the front of the file and not have any respect. but he believes you need is he deserves his narrative from the defense minister across the passenger. so, you know, to show you was really the nemesis of this guy who says that it's showing it was really the one he had in his, in his, in his science and this island sites. so, well, a lot of it, i think, was down to western media. if you do what i did yesterday, i don't realize it, but i actually bit the bullet yesterday and put on cnn. listen to cnn. while i did the washing up and various for me to tossed around the house and i was a pools. so the analyst and the academics, the people who i call the white book shelves, people always have what book shows behind them. i don't know why in america, the academics always have what bookshelves they seem to be more objective and informed and balance in how they frame the whole circle $2.00

a day. where is the next? the real experts, the journalist, the scene, and we'll balance, you know, i've been nice, but then wait a month and next person will ever, okay, he's a bridge, he's all checking that he has funds. he was, you know, a lot of these guy, russia, the never said once, and these long, long, long piece is to camera according to people i've spoken to in russia, according to my so we never heard of, uh, we just here and you know, the case. i stuck up and you realize that you're talking to john is really haven't got the faintest idea of what's going on in russia and then place to pitch in a know all of these cliches and lives of hundreds. and just this, this part of the law is really, is fed to people on a lot of the sticks. a lot of it is actually taking the oh absolutely it's, it's the how much of the year. what, what do you think about and what, how much the catholics half the people they were exposed to rush engaged still

believe it. yeah, but i wonder how people are shown himself when he made those videos. but your to mean, you know, when we can take a step back. i mean, it seemed to me in this, in the, as the beds were unfolding up to this weekend, the groceries position was actually being diminished. i mean, bottom there was, uh, the wagner group is being withdraw. they've done their job. they, they bled, they got, they got a lot of kudos from the public. i mean, it was very interesting watching over the last, the 36 hours these telegram channels. they worship tim and they had to tie themselves into a huge spread. still trying to figure out how to explain this. ok. and, and it was it the in, in the i i agree with martin. i think it was just kind of flaming out with knowing somehow there wouldn't be severe consequence. it's george. yeah, i think so. and you need, obviously been trying use a lot of video and we were astonished that he was good. just speak like this,

about the, the top brows i believe is still what's the way you spoke with them. and um, you know, there's no question that once he has gone down this path of attacking the russian government, they are the leadership and essentially spreading a message of defeatism. i mean, it was defeatism demoralization then. well, how, how different are you now from cnn? his mother was saying, how different are you now from? well, the british government to say, you're basically saying the same thing. i mean, you're just going that talking points rough as real base. russia is being led by terrible people rustic on when this war, like we're getting like getting club and by the, your brain is your brain is a much better fight is on the russians. well, is allowed just sounds just like michael look phone. and then the just wonder, well was there was some point at which contact was made between western

intelligence services and um, 3 goals and they, why don't you try something might be the right time was one thing i can tell you that i'm going through the city but as this was go in the city of moscow and talking to people and was observing people, one thing was absolutely sure that there was just a profound folk, that there would be no bloodshed, and they know it is the ability is something that people dread here and that's one of the reasons why bottom yearbook and maintains as popularity. i think for reasons that martin is already explored here. you know, if you make hard decisions, you have political capital, you can expand it out, doesn't always make you look good. okay. so it's, those are the long term outcome that is important here with a gentleman. this story is far from over. i think we just going around the edges here because so much more can unfold and we had a whole learn a lot more. and we found out of how a lot of this information works right in front of our eyes. all right, gentlemen,

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the, the, the on cnn, that's the us intelligence news about insurrection being planned. but they decided to make it known, hoping that it would be successful, rushes for administer slams washington for trying to manipulate the narrative or event regarding the wagner bmc is attempted new to me during his 1st exclusive interview. since the situation and pulled, it will have more on that later in the our wagner forces are seen returning to the region as of the chief, as a mercenary group, abandoned to meet any attempt after agreeing to a deal that we'll see him. we brush out all the roofs of the us plan to move holy orthodox relics from ukraine to the u. s. kia continues as impression of the church gods,

according to russia's born intelligence services. the and 10. yeah. launches an investigation into a large killings and assaults by security guards out of us own pineapple plantation, [000:00:00;00] the coming to live for the rest and capital. this is our t international. i'm rachel evans. here with the top stories of the our welcome to the program, has spoken to archie for the 1st time since the wagner group short lived meeting the. the country's top diplomat has touched upon several vital issues. you can watch the full exclusive interview throughout the day here on archie. but for now, here's a preview. uh, let me get you. somebody is the one key, but it should be on the phone calls. uh, he's a count of pots, more support and solidarity underway. confident that the situation would be under

control and that the constitutional order would be restored as, as, and now the case. all right. also how the several phone conversations at the initiative of, of my, for in terms of pods menus invoice to the same opinions and to express solidarity. they were confident that we would not allow any attempts to submit the stability in the state of the spectrum. it's reparation. what is your assessment of the role of mints and the situation and the sort cushion to was willing to help you find a peaceful solution and prevents bloodshed, which wouldn't be inevitable if the surgeons would continue their movements towards moscow. this proposal was accepted by president putin and announced yesterday by the tremulous books months in which we send you by chit loving those i have the odds up in the notes as your opinion about certificate. western analysts saying that the wagon, the crisis,

is evidence that the russian government is losing control of the situation and that aside from the war is immune into the country. no later than the let him is it just recently? yes, to talk with sport. i think that is some wishful thinking to be a very fitting description of the behavior of what western partners i saw. the reports on cnn. they said that the us intelligence knew about the ins insurrection being planned a several day to make it known. hoping that it would be successful and another cnn report that was around yesterday featured in an opinion by an american. i said that it was expected that that precautions march towards moscow would be met with more response and would entail much more bloodshed. so that's the question about, so what, so the expectations where and why these comments could be seen as we saw in the, the, the part of the lensky regime. i think that they have a certain pull, deluxe and

a certain done. knew that this situation could not be used to destroy the russian regime butts. emanuel back on the representative of european democracy stands at for strategic autonomy of europe. with regard to the united states did not have your file from the us position. it said something like, what are viewing the situation with caution? but the main thing we saw metro and said is a for judy over the regime and me and this for g. let's see. and it's weakness justify our support for your brain. but that's what he said, and i think even an age trades can understand the position of a president, not from the political, economic, and media machine of the west is jointly working against us, such politicians as micron, positive this machine, and the wagon or me and me has failed and now their forces have the same withdraw. 1 him from key russian regions, stating that they're heading back to their fields,

counts the latest, but it shows call ups moving through gone square public. after withdrawing from vol stop, i don't where they seized a number of military facilities on saturday. he mc. wagner agreed to stand out and leave russia for bella. ruth, after talks with all russian president, alexander lucas shingo and coordination with russian president vladimir food argues roman, closer up, takes a look at the aftermath. the bloodshed here and rest of i'm gone has been versus members of private company have and now left the city. we are right next to the headquarters of the military here in law storm on dawn and its out back. com is are they are control the military police. here you can see the guys are back to work. however, the consequences of this farm use. any roommates or i think it's been destroyed by say,

solve the wagner military group. there are 10 tracks on the street as well, but the roles are being zip blocks. now, of course, so the situation here was the very tense. i tried to gauge people's opinion about they need to sort out their relationship after victory. it broke my heart, seeing what happened, were it, but now everything is fine with very glad that everything worked out safely and without bloodshed and generally vulgar forces. a note that they just did a bad thing. i think what took place should never have happened, though they behaved comedy and polite just citizens, but let people to come up to the vehicles, take pictures, but nevertheless, i am against such actions. they don't improve the authority of our country here, the center of the city and on the outskirts of the city as well. people are now able to move around freely. however, on saturday,

the situation here was very sense. indeed. they weren't shots flyers. we heard the sang sang explosions as well as people ram for their lives. a miscellaneous change is the russian foreign ministry says moscow's response, receive support from a number of allied countries including china, venezuela, and the wrong. so it has expressed its support of the russian leaderships efforts to stabilize the situation in the country in connection with the events of june 24th and has confirmed its interest in strengthening the cohesion and further prosperity of russia. rainy and foreign ministry spokesman nasir kanadi has described. the recent developments in russia as an internal issue of the country saying that the islamic republic of a run supports the rule of law in the russian federation. no one should take it upon themselves to take action in the face of the situation in russia, in this sense, we as turkey a stand ready to do our part in order for the incidents to be resolved in a calm and peaceful manner. while the attempted me unfolded western media outlets

and some politicians were adding fuel to the fire with a grim predictions. want us, senator openly expressed his hope for to ins downfall, calling the potential perpetrators. true patriots. internal strife and gales occurs in sort of russia media outcome eventually be the russian people freed from corrupt, autocratic war, criminal dictators, like putting, replaced not by a terrorist organization like the wagner group, but true russian patriots. one to establish freedom and integrate, rush up to the world. our hope is freedom for the long suffering people of russia. it's however, the media's position regarding the wagner group and his actions very drastically throughout the weekend, depending on how the events were unfolding archie, corresponding on the chart explain, i was through media appears to be grappling with an internal dilemma regarding its own convictions. one minute brendan, those fighting on the front lines against ukrainian forces as not these. but the moment they turned their guns around and were marching full steam towards the

kremlin, they were suddenly seen as rebels. widow calls and their evil background was conveniently forgotten. and walter alarm and accredited private security firm claims that their tweets no agenda in less than a day, they went from calling to group freedom fighters. when them u. n. e started to labeling them was which, but this sudden change of this course did not go notes and media never disappoints . when the march began, they became wagner forces and freedom fighters of the agreement. they make it slavery as how wagner group turned from a genocidal melisha meeting war crimes,