much so tony burns and i'll stop you the more from the former you can investigate the rush or after this break the the in 2022, the attorney and government to prove the package of me that we a to you nation with the year and they to, to help ukrainians defend themselves and fight back about 150000000 euro

america we even a told me bones are getting all the same. and also in the us like issue and the ones that people with died just for make money. the one that i have been yes, cuz the volume as you go through on it, that if you got the sheets completed, i mean there's what i don't know. she thought if you've come to me, you need to be down to get a room for that means as well. the more sign me my choice of room to store april holbrook, exec leila lesson opinion poll, show that over 70 percent of italians are against military support. for ukraine, landed and confirm for me to go for that last or the 5 still a little the guy in most on a skid out and we're still main. do not you them to, to the, all of us, the ability to ask for when the use of the my last, who adult low to the interest has been s little things and we're not just running

funds theater. the the interim, those of the always believe that life as a full set goes that all of is ups and downs. india, before the british was that it just nation with the highest gdc in the word and white of the 100 years of british truly bring it to this low off some 50, interacting the late 30th. 19 and there was no deeper party. they had no right to feed my property. my idols. oh, my god. they went through all about big spaces. i will speak could spaces off san angelo wiley, pulido. these pieces inside the wood lute also is like in the wood, which is now quarter into the english, the big city. so quite selling me,

even the heating, the word has been you into the english lexical. has played a bag, right? and or you can go to the drawing picture rising to the monster, but it's like, uh, like a home or somewhere i can use it to put a needle and we want at the same time, i can use the fact how much tax the the welcome back to going underground, i'm still here with the full, but you can bass of the russia. so tony brands and you said the grocer expected

a quick victory. we now know the boots in said in st. petersburg. there was a piece deal initial therefore they withdrew from kiev. isn't the point about ukraine as far as rusher is concerned? about finishing its new liberal experiment? you yourself talked about how we proved and wanted to join nato. it's at one point . it's over that experiment is though it's not even about done yet. it's going to hand skin, all those people who were being killed with nature nation weapons since 2014 and the going to have this is about something different. and i have to ask several is britain now it war with russia? because britain noises, it isn't the wheels. and nature was why they're 50, just as old as the. and we have the, there are going to prison is we have a us which will the for the pentagon, which will be just going to jail, is me, is being invited to the grand jury of, with leaks from the pentagon saying british soldiers in ukraine fighting the

russians know, there are, i don't know the number actually there are a number of, especially just going by the leave that know, i only have just from the press. there are small number. we're in the 10s of hundreds of thousands, especially forces that advising the trainings on how to use the weapons which support. and that is not true of knowing the truth and u. k. that is true of the us, the number of other question which will not directly bolt well. and there's just as well as when not because russia, which has of defense funded by one kids that as a whole nation. which stuff of very, very bad. indeed. if it goes into a direct was why, i mean, why? well, because of the case, if the russian soldiers in britain, i can only imagine what britain's reaction would be. my fresh and special forces were in central london, but clearly uh there is uh new to the parents. so what you just said doesn't really make any sense to anyone,

would appreciate that. no. the only assumption which i think is the likely assumption that any war between nature and russia remained of the conventional russia were lose lose dramatically. i'm sorry, i don't understand how they would lose because there's a uh, also amazing nuclear response in russia. and there are no tactical nuclear weapons and bella roost, but then we do live it in the past few days. we're talking about the end of the world here. well i have not, and i deal with other people given you k one, i mean you k. and when i talked to him about the situation, they said, you mean there isn't as much as i say to them? no, he's not. the person that i knew was a cold, rational. how could i ship a russian church? which is why i'm, we're going to be called. but actually russia will avoid getting into a direct confrontation nature. and secondly, even if that concentration happens, cushion will finally avoid that, trying to contribute to competition. then you click confrontation. everybody

including russia, loses, clearly. and that is that the tyrants, which is why nato nations are not directly and officially entering the war and why we're hearing voices in russia is saying it's time to act with tactical nuclear weapons to show and remind the world about new kid turns. because britain, germany from the united states of boring weapons and there are even soldiers on the ground as well. we have indeed heard a few such voices. you mentioned the article, the 2nd car, gone off my note, the bitch coding for nuclear strikes against against nature as i what proof necessary to impress a bunch of citizenship, russia, and we have since seen a spike off. it was including one income restaurant saying this is much um and then the other off would like to meet you trinity 30. well not sure. on the chase that's saying the reactions to face from the west. if we get into that sort of church,

which would be dissolved for russian, i think the sensible people on both sides of very clear that crushing the new kid special. it would be a disaster all the way around. a testament to the multiplicity of use allowed in rush of people to what you learned to be the kind of gone from to having the on the, on the rumble. i mentioned earlier, the decline of western europe, economic age, germany and recession. clearly, britain, for the 1st time since 1961 finding itself uh with uh, a uh, debts hi them its, uh, annual a gdp and then food insulation. i'm going crazy and weapons being funneled the public money to be a systems rolls royce, kinetic backup. and so go with the big defense companies. what happened was to western europe when, and this is what most of the world does think russia is going to win because it has more weapons and it has more resources. what happens to western europe when russia wins? well, as i check versus not going to it,

because finally russia is our gun and if it gets it, we just need to try to rush or help me out gun or no one will i go wrong? as i say, nature has 10 times of defense, but gosh, if we get into that, then rush solutions, which is exactly why the russian government wants to push it very hard to avoid getting into that, that, that direct confrontation. so i put it at the moment. where's a very interesting moment? the moment off to russia, she's frankly, failure. last chapman i think being pushed a long, long way back from its initial initial lines of success. the thing is both bankruptcies. uh over the early parts of this. yeah. russian, russian army took finally a robert unemployed. could you trade in town by which i took 8 months to do it the crate and it was on now that i'm just taking

a string of very small villages back. i'm so sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt, but we don't really know what's actually going on in the field. the embedded reporters from the west and from the other side. you know, we don't exactly know, but what we do know, is it some say that russia, once a long war and is waiting for all this uh, european and american weaponry to come in and then to be destroyed. and that's what i was getting at when what happens when you are, because russia is put, it's defensive, then it's can just wait and destroy the one by one content over a matter of years and years. well, yeah, but it has cost for russia as well. you saying you european economy is indeed having difficulties my venture, although i don't think by quite match the difficulties with the russian decompression as you can on the growth according to the i may have. yeah, well, i'm showing, you know, many over to him and he doesn't know, know we, we in the okay, in my room. so i'm having problems. we've all got in particular punch pandemic problems. but the reality is that russia is looking at

a loss of its major sources of income. well, if you'll guess guessed something, miles of, i'm not a russian, but clearly clearly the, by the ministrations destruction of the north stream pipeline causing the biggest eco dissolves, are going to see much is one thing. but the india, china, the global south countries are more than enough to be able to replace the demand coming from us, the newer wizard. true, i'm sure we'll rush and we'll continue. therefore, we will have to wait to sustain this population. but at the significantly lower level, i think brushing gdc perhaps was already formed by 6 percent or something since the most significant. no. but then what is the job and the previous course report? well, this richard stuff starts with a rush. it was integration increasingly, and so the question and global company has reasonable future. well,

they can only gross in front of it. we just are cut off for making sure technology for majors, social management expertise and from its most immediate customers, neighbors in terms of training costs. that's what i want to say. don't think that's the way you know. i'm so we can give in the middle east. i believe, you know, the president of the united i remember to is where the st. petersburg, florida rushes, the restaurant is the place to go to talk to a business. i believe. what about the sanctions? what do you think? because i have a gain from that and follow them and g community, the evidence. and you said sanctions on russia, you know, it doesn't, there's not really much points and it's uh, they don't really work. i'm not sure that's a pretty spot. i'm sure it's a personalized quotation. what do i do not? i'm rather hostile, just say i'm rather hostile to sanctions. they never work. and they certainly never work with regard to russia. quite a part of that. there were things that can be done. that remains that having an effect economically, but they're not having any political effect. these are exact words. that's exactly

right. and that remains the case of nevertheless, only assumption we get past the rule that economic effect blows back to the living standards. but what we rushed shots. yeah, i mean we know the effect of us and we use sanctions on venezuela pumps. tens of thousands killed ordinary venezuelans by the sanctions. them in his way of the impact on iran, on syria a to this day. because the united states occupies a 3rd of syria illegally right now in midland to seize the sanctions. but as you yourselves at that, for the sanctions on, you know, going to politically effect booting is very popular. clearly in russia, i mean, do you think britain itself sanctioning itself brittany tdm ports? gas? ukraine is being paid. zalinski is being paid by russia for transit fees for the gas that goes to the you to keep the lights on. even now. rush it to do you k,

u k is on douglas and suffering from some of the economic structures for very high for the price is i'm from relatively high energy prices and that's the price that we are paying for. some engineers, one of the, ah, so what about countries as well? um, i, i'm sure people bumping off this question in this form. but if i were, i think the reaction would be key factors of price was paid to deal effectively with the aggression that russia. because i live in an information space without a free press, as demanded by law. i should add, there are laws in england against talking about the nazis of ukraine. just finally i'm there are actual necessary laws, natural tree laws introduced. i, i know full well that because you cannot broadcast in britain any television programs that talk about the nazis at nazi movements in ukraine, that alone, there are restrictions on media. but i just want to finish on there on historic

a royal relations with russia. how is it going to be rebuilt? because eventually, maybe they will rebuild the relations as you've always wanted between london and moscow. how, how do you think they could have it would be put together again off to so much british weaponry was sent that to kill russians, let alone the sanctions named hunting or re russians from britain? well, 1st of all, last week and this week, and a peace agreement has to be worked out which is acceptable to ukraine june 6th, which was chief question packaged as well as which russia service except even often it's things are going to remain for chico for quite a long time, sadly, but laptop we can begin to rebuild, we can begin to travel. so actually i haven't been in russia now to 2 and a half years. my, i'm missing you to keep the travel and get russians traveling in the rustic. we can

raise you economic link solar that's going to be hindered by very strong demand here that russia pays proportion for costs. just the damage of the war. we can get people talking to each other, and if i keep on site, you can look for a way of giving russia to some security guarantees which make sure that we don't get into the sort of compensation to get. okay, representative, they'll never be for any of that rebuilding obviously. so tony brenton, thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. well, we back on saturday with a brand new episode, but a deal that you can even judge by role that social media. if it's nonsense it in your country and i do i channel going underground tv hon. they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. so you said the the

release of russian states never as tight as one of the most sense community best ingles, all sense and up the same assistance must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will bend in the european union, the kremlin, the machine, the state on the russians to day and supports the r t support tech team and our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the student services for the question, did you say they requested the

as they already. gosh, they are cps because they could best offer ideas and then use their email. you're just going to offend them to the rules. the nazi theory of racial superiority, finished style for years of creating an ssl all the place and 14 concentration comes. so the full prisoner of war labor comes 10 prisons really well, you know, thing to do is go level. she's the media venue. so i'm assuming if i need even the chest is really to get over the fields. i'm assuming people's going to be approximately 25000 people went through the occupied of go to finish camps according to official figures. these move stuff, dudley looked as if the ship did you to day and i give you my dear such as the snider stuff. so asking youngest, i mean yeah, what the famine disease forced labor to achieve by the wording. so

for me was what was the last it, it also means you don't want to take that to you, but that it's a deep, it almost human off. what does it, what it is, 9 portion of things up the give you what you want to do because he does it go to thousands of testimonies of crimes and the impunity of criminals. nothing more when you've got here, you know, one or 2. so do you to speak to me in the did i tell you? yeah, for the good i see it or released upon me decided to do it. you got to do, please don't. so you can just you, because i you put this danielle, that was put in the middle of the stations between the contract company and the russian government finally came to a head way as if gave me the grove and committed acts of treason and insurrection. rushes stared into the abyss, thankfully, a compromise was found in price as a burden or their lessons in

the sample size, that from the very beginning of the events, all the necessary decisions were immediately taken to neutralize the threats that had arisen to protect the constitutional order the life and security of our citizens, an armed rebellion would have been suppressed in any case, plasma approved and addresses the nation for the 1st time off to sales from you to the 10th and place the members of the vault group have 2 options left to continue service if enjoying the russian ministry of defense, had to ballard. loud enough for things on seeing returning to the guns were public is the chief of the private mercenary group of bands. and this is launched towards moscow of the agreeing to

a deal that we'll see him leave russia full pallets and the as follows, when is a take same, it's only us president barack obama. his comments regarding minority issues in india, reminding him that he ordered the bombing of 6 muslim nations during his time in office. and kenya alone took an investigation into the alleged killings and the soldiers by secures, had gone to the us sons, pineapple plantation and the east african country. the a very room, welcome. this is all to international with the latest world news update is good to have you with us. we still have tony's program with not to my page in speech to the nation off the failed new to the attend. that's have a lesson that i gave those young. dear friends today, i again speak to all citizens of russia. thank you for your in durance, solidarity,

and patriotism. this civic solidarity has shown that any black males, any attempt to create internal turmoil is doomed to fail. once again, the highest consolidation of society, executive, and legislative power on all levels was shown. a firm unambiguous position in support of the constitutional order was taken by public organizations, religious denominations, leading political parties. in fact, the entire russian society. everyone was united and rally by the main point you responsibility for the fate of the fatherland. for which i emphasized that from the very beginning of the events, all the necessary decisions were immediately taken to neutralize the threats that had arisen to protect the constitutional order. the life and security of our citizens, an armed rebellion would have been suppressed in any case. the organizers of the rebellion, despite the loss of adequacy, could not fail to understand this. they understood everything,

including that they undertook, criminal acts to split and weak in the country, which is now confronting a colossal external threats, unprecedented pressure from outside. when our comrades are dying at the front with the words, not a step back. however, the organizers of the rebellion be trained their country, their people, the trade, those were drawn into the crime. they lied to them, pushed them to death under fire, and to shoot at their own brothers so slow. and it was precisely this outcome fratricide, that rushed his enemies, wanted both the neo nazis and key of their western patrons and all sorts of national traders. they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other, to kill military personnel and civilians. so that in the end, russia would lose in our society, would be split, choked and bloody civil strife. they rubbed their hands, dreaming of taking revenge for their failures at the front end during the so called counter offensive. but they miscalculated. i think all of our military personnel, law enforcement officers, and special services who stood in the way of the rebels,

remained faithful to their duty, both and their people in the courage and self sacrifice of the fallen heroes. pilots saved russia from tragic and devastating consequences kind of where we at the same time we knew and we know now that the over whelming majority of the fighters and commanders of the wagner group are also russian patriots devoted to their people in state. they proved it with their courage on the battlefield, liberating the don't boss and know versa. they tried to use them in the dark, against their brothers in arms, with whom they fought together for the sake of the country and its future. therefore, from the beginning of the events on my direct instructions, steps were taken to avoid a lot of bloodshed. this took time, including to give those who made a mistake, a chance to think again, to understand that their actions are strongly rejected by society and to what tragic, destructive consequences for russia, for our state, the adventure in which they were drag leads to. i think those soldiers and

commanders of the wagner group who made the only right decision they did not go to fratricidal blood, should they stopped at the last line. today you have the opportunity to continue serving russia by entering into a contract with the ministry of defense or other law enforcement agencies, or to return to your family and friends. whoever wants can go to bella luce, the promise i made, will be filled. i repeat, the choice is yours, but i'm sure you realize the mistake you have made with it. i am grateful to the president, bella bruce alexander, gore of a ciocca strangle for his efforts and contribution to the peaceful resolution of the situation. but i repeat, it was the patriotic spirit of a citizen, the consolidations of the entire russian society that play the decisive role these days. this support allowed us to overcome the most difficult trials for our motherland together. thank you for that. thank you. so i'm gonna pretend to be testable and much attention throughout the world. we discussed the key takeaways

from the presidents addressed on the future of the pmc of the failed mutiny attempt . with the panel of guests i was wanting to pose and all that during his speech. even in the western media, what do you think they were waiting thing to be a nose to missed the course unpopular as bus please? so they were hoping that the they, that a civil war would break out, which would be to their advantage. but of course, the president put in reactance in the very careful way. there was no blad shit. and actually, uh, this is this uh, this incident leaves putting much more stronger than before since he has the support of the russian people. and he has bought, it took a blues, i said, now it's over. we've got over the west, it was a terrible crisis. because a, you know, the country held together society held together all the key institutions held

together. and what not to use by any um, uh oh, opportunistic ideas about the extra constitutional change. what do you think is the, the destiny of the vol, category pain in russia? now, i think that's the majority of woodside contracts with russian defense ministry to continue. so work set as they have started, which is, which is the defense of, of, of, for russia in this war, aims are things that you're grain, is that just supported by the west? well, that's the interesting question i, i would have thought that the, the wagner room, what remains of it will now be taken over by the russian government. i don't think russia is just going to give this up. i think it's much too useful for them. so i think that there's going to bring the are the remnants of this, the wagon,

a finding group under the control of the russian defense ministry. i would think that is, this is too useful for reference as to dissolve russia's talk. diplomats is also given his 1st remark, since the vulgar eclipse short lived a bit of news news to me. so good laptops, but exclusively with auntie on the vital issue. it was the rush of faces today. it can mostly fall into the head on all t throughout the day, but here's a preview of what seems to, to let me get you. some is the one key for the dental president. clinton received numerous phone calls, somebody's calling, so express solidarity. suppose and confidence in the fact that the situation will be under control, which can on constitution load, it would be restored. and that was what happens. would you have several phone conversations initiated by my father and calling since so many of them also expressed on the diversity and confirm the confidence that we wouldn't let anyone undermine our countries, unity, all the success of the special ministry operation. they often these goals to remain

confidential, so we respect that we, somebody are not making their information public, so get victorious. how would you assess the role of minutes in resolving the situation? so i'm giving you a screen. we've always, our assessments have better routes as well over a long time ago, including to president lucas and coming person will have to meet you. pasco has repeated more than once in all detail loose because the battle resume president had a phone call with president putin saturday. morning, so what he said, he would try to mediate a peaceful solution of the situations and avoid a blog boss is which whatever enables have really happened as a rebel forces have continued that evolves to what was most got here. this proposal was welcomed by president polluted into tears and you know, the result was it was announced by the crime than yesterday, but it was in you how do you assess the, the avalanche of announcements and statements from on the list that this fail meets the bi wagner is an indication of the russian government losing control, and then they may even soon be a civil war in russia learning or is it just recently?

i think it some wishful face. so it would be a very fitting description of west important is behaviors of i. so reports on cnn. they said us intelligence found out about the interaction being planned. also several days before it happened was this, i decided not to share this information. i guess that you were hoping for them, you need to succeed. well, i know the cnn report is pushing to the same conclusion that it comes yesterday. they quoted us intelligence analysts, who are powered, unexpected precautions. monster world must go. they seem to encounter much more this, this goes on be a lot more bloody than it was just so this policy on says your question about their expectations of waste confirming the forwarding concepts. the ukranian regime has been opening talking about unexpecting the collapse of the russian states. there's was an lensky and his medians might put on the co daniels. and i've said it and uncertain terms and doesn't much more upset when they sold that this situation didn't cause the regime to crush it from the most even macro on. but it's a european democratic leader who.