slow, you know, it's a says we saw details a lot week up then then we had suspects that and you know, this is michael mcfall. let me easy. he's been doing is usual with a storm and saying, well boot is always bank down. you know, every time anyone has confronted him, he's always back down. you look what happened with a turkey in 2015 and so on and them. and that's, that is going to be the perception. and i, and i think that, i mean i, i agree with you that the bloodshed was avoided and that's, that's a good thing. and because i think we will see everything yesterday that there was going to be an old my to class a bit between the russian bosses and the i'm glad enough that didn't happen. but as we move forward, i mean they feel rush or really have that have to resolve this problem. and i think that this, this problem in your brain has to be dealt with because i think the frustrations within the middle of trey is going to grow. i mean, are they going to feel that this, this needs to be brought to an end because soon will already be commemorating 2

years since the start of this, a special ministry operations are they have to bring this to an end to which one can only hope that, that is the conclusion that will be drawn by the russian leadership is more than anything we have 30 seconds before we go to the breaks. i like what you said because you know that when the deb supposed to what you know, but in the southern like michael mcdowell shown that treatment is very weak. but you actually say just the, with the reverse, steve has the capital to be able to make compromises to go look at nuances and whatnot. here. i mean, i don't have a definitive a position on all this. i'm still trying to absorb it like the both of you real quick before we go to the break. yeah, i mean they just, i think it goes down to one main thing um, yesterday had every stop choice. if he had taken a more aggressive viewpoint towards this, from using it, you know, what was looking at was looking at a situation of actually sending traction soldiers to roster on don't that would have been a lot of so that would have been literally a bluff boss and where do you,

what do you go from above? think about the depth, not my friend. we have to go to the heart break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion said the party, the, [000:00:00;00]

the most reason is munoz curtis. imagine if you speak russian, keep your voice down while out some about. so when i get up, if i go for x perspectives, don't put your human symbols on display decision space, reach the guide. so you guys don't talk to strangers, the void noisy gatherings and riley's, which was wonderful. what, but she didn't rely on get them in the motor. she's eating your colleagues and perhaps also your friends think you're guilty because your russian night the boom. so you're welcome. i do them, that was my, i'm see if it's all a detail which is the team that does put teaching styles is b u t

of buying it. so the substrate, if i need specific social concerning the a while to make across that were all things are considered a hight funeral bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. the ok, let's go back to you in america. so we had to had to go to a hard break, i interrupted your thought, please continue. so yeah, i think so we, we, we looked at a situation where we could have had sort of an internal strive of civil war within russians forces between the pointed to. and i think if they did a very mostly tough and quickly, they really quickly worked out the way of actually resolving issue diffusing it and doing, you know, being a, being the chief political or the, the, the,

some new shows or leadership and the state come on the pressure result, the price just i'm, you know, imagine all of these opinion rocha's, all these experts on the cnn, you know, with the garbage. they've been writing of a los ranchos out, they have to. but as of today, there's a lot of them they've been writing, was like, crisis impala, trembling, pushing on the edge, facing the abyss. you know, is this the tip room void? oh, there's no sense across is, is, is, is just that is absolute rubbish. well, i'm not going to name names here. jump, i'm gonna go to jordan, the name of the time that i've done, but it will have to be mazda point. the point is i was sent in a link m e early evening and it was basically pack your bags theater. it's over. there are quite a bit is plenty of the street lamps and they'll probably pick out for you either way. so all this bravado and i just wrote back to back down, he's going into exile and it was just like silence. okay. because this for you both been saying is who come on graciously?

every single weekend because they, they reality, you know, they will never get in the way of their idea all and say, okay, and then you know, but you can georgia, you were saying something that we say on our devil pod cast and you've said have many and so i think it's really important is this, the initial especial military operation was supposed to be done on the jeep, as he would like to say, i think it's appropriate. you, that having the wagner of the group was doing it on the cheap too. when they came back and bid them, you know, where door got what i think that's right. and i think that some uh, is big clear to the extent its um yeah. any, anything to be clear because we have so little information has been divulged that the russian government was planning on some very quick um, knockout blow. the 2 key is in the early days of the launch of the circle of special knowledge opperation, you know,

just falls zone and skin to interchange of policy. i'm so big intimidates them with that massive post outside kids and, and then they would be something similar to what happened in chapter. so back in the idea of success, that didn't happen. and then once the a, you know, this whole spectrum of that, your operation transformed into essentially a rule. then russia decided not to go down the path of a full scale localization, but wanted to do it on the cheap and with the people such as religion. i pray golshani is really, you know, a fall back to the air of the 90 nines is, i mean, these big, powerful, all the gods who amassed a lot of money and a lot of our and who could just do all sorts of the things for the government, i have roman, i brahman, they generally the rest of the problem, which was also involved in conducting various operations for the government. and

yeah, who did the last thing? i mean, the last is yachts and the football club is going to happen to a nicer guy of the above. but i was and so they said they delegated this to pre goshen. as really they delegated as a separate goes and the various operations is syria in the, in the, in this a handling and so on. it, but its, you pay the price. uh, and, you know, it goes in like many uh, generals of the past. let, will this go to is had, they said they realize they i'm, i'm bigger and more important than the government that has given me these lucrative contracts. so yeah, it was, it was the question that they dissolved. so it was in the making. i mean, there's been weeks has been sounding off the denouncing the russian states, obviously, believing himself to be boss the more important than uh, than anyone else. yeah, it was a town to end in disaster united martin george brings up a good point because we've talked many,

many times the one following the story. this has been months and the making here, you know, why is a brush and barking like he is? these are to personally attacking the, the defense minister or the bi intelligence alvarado and, you know, and there was no reaction, there was no reaction, it was just something that was sent out there. and it was, um, it was in russian political culture. it's very disrespectful. you don't usually do that type of thing where you usually leave it to yourself. and so a lot of people really surprised by it and, and i thought it'd be, it'd be, uh, would be an annoyance because it seemed to be distracting from what was at the at hand. and plus, you know, i always kind of fall back from the position and he was hired to do the job. okay. and let's be honest, here his fighters took the brunt of blood letting. okay. but that's what the deal was that going back to george's, well, the conflict on the cheap, you know, you don't want to send boys there. i'm just going to, um, uh,

like buy call in places like that. okay. that was part of the deal. but then again, that showed the class difference, the poor us and lit least advantage ended up going into wagner. that's that's, that's what it's revealed here for a lot of people languish like most of it, which is not to get well. wagner is on who there's the folks out there. mysteries do they all paid money to fight for the professional associate. they don't have ethics or audiology is not been by any of that. and also, you know, you mentioned earlier that we had indications. we are closed for a long time. i really, i'm surprised that some it really that came to this. i mean, i think probably this, this call him access my most web coaching, supposedly looked into the database. you know, i think it was probably helped by western media because yeah, who really sees on those. i roll the petulance and, and the color for the videos that precaution made. it was really west of media. it was western journalist was known as to reach way to them. we really lent on them and gave them the prominence appropriate they shouldn't,

they shouldn't really deserved. but in terms of su, guessing what came next. one of the contributors it might be a skilled his right to bring it right to coach on weiss. i actually predicted this a few months ago, but it isn't an article, we got some, there was a assumption of the could it's out on the colors and this, this is the guy who was going to put it off. so i think the songs was there. i think we lost sight of who he was and what it, what it does and what is most employees do. he didn't feel that his services and his men services were, were old correctly. he's in a complained about like about munition and about the from the far not having the respect that he believes you need is he deserves his narrative from the defense. and instead of course of defense minister is a key part of this whole route, you know, to show you was really the nemesis of this guy is, is showing it was really the one he had in is in his, in his slice. and the satellite of sites, so well, a lot of it, i think, was down to western media. if you do what i did yesterday, i don't voices,

but i actually bit the bullet yesterday and put on cnn. i listen to cnn while i did the washing up and various for me to tossed around the house and i was of tools. so the analyst and the academics, the people who i cool white bookshelves, people always have what bookshelves behind them in any way in america, the academics always have what bookshelves. they seem to be more objective and informed and balance in how they frame the whole circle. $2.00 a day, where is the x to relax, but as the journalist the scene and wheeled out, you know, a been nice but then wait a month and next person will she just talk central sense or for ever. okay, he's a bread, he's all taking the he has fancy words. you know, a lot of these guy is these journalists, you know, then i went to russia. they never said once in these long, long, long pieces to camera, according to people i've spoken to in russia, according to my so we never heard of. uh, we just here is, i think there's

a nice thing about that. you know, the case a stuck up and you realize that you're talking to john is a really haven't got the faintest idea of what's going on in russia and then place to pitching a know all of these cliches and lies them hundreds. and just this, this part of the law is really is fed to people and a little bit sticks. a lot of it is actually taking the oh absolutely, it's takes the, how much of the year. well, what do you watch for that? i wonder how much the catholics half the people they were exposed to rush engaged still believe it. yeah, but i wonder how much of it actually impacted precaution himself when he made those videos, the school will charge, you mean, you know, when we can take a step back. i mean, it seemed to me in this, in the, as the beds were unfolding up to this weekend, the groceries position was actually being diminished. i mean, bottom there was, uh,

the wagner group is being withdraw. they've done their job. they, they bled, they got, they got a lot of kudos from the public. i mean, it was very interesting watching over the last, the 36 hours these telegram channels. they worship tim and they had to tie themselves into a huge spread. still trying to figure out how do i explain this. ok and, and it was the and then i, i agree with margaret. i think it was just kind of flaming out with knowing somehow there wouldn't be severe consequence. it's george. yeah. i think so. um, you know, the other he's obviously been trying is luck, issuing video off the video and we were astonished that he was good. just speak like this, about the, the top brows up. well, he was still working, but then he was on the contract to them and that's the way he spoke with them. and um, you know, there's no question that once he has gone down this path of attacking the russian

government, they, are they leadership and essentially spreading a message of defeatism. i mean, it was defeatism demoralization that, well, how, how different are you now from cnn? his mother was saying, how different are you, how well the british government does it say, you're basically saying the same thing. i mean, you're just going there talking points, rough as rubbish. russia is being led by terrible people rustic on when this war, like we're getting like getting club and by the, your brain is your brain is a much better fight is on the russians. well, is allowed just sounds just like michael look phone. and then the just wonder, well was there was some point at which contact was made between western intelligence services and um, 3 goals and they, why don't you try something might be the right time. one thing i can tell you that when i'm going to the city, but as this was go in the city of moscow and talking to people and was observing

people, one thing was absolutely sure that there was just profound folk. there would be no bloodshed and they know it's instability. it's something that people dread here. and that's one of the reasons why bottom yearbook and maintains as popularity. i think for reasons that martin is already explored here. you know, if you make hard decisions, you have political capital, you can expand it out, doesn't always make it look good. okay? so it's, those are the long term outcome that is important here. but the gentleman, this story is far from over. i think we just going around the edges here because so much more can unfold the whole, learn a lot more. and we found out of how a lot of this information works right in front of our eyes. all right, gentlemen, small dinner and we, i want to thank make us american in budapest and thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember across stuff in

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solidarity and patriotism. this civic solidarity has shown that any blackmail, any attempt to create internal turmoil is doomed to fail. once again, the highest consolidation of society, executive, and legislative power on all levels was shown. a firm unambiguous position in support of the constitutional order was taken by public organizations, religious denominations, leading political parties. in fact, the entire russian society. everyone was united and rally by the main point us responsibility for the fate of the fatherland. for which i emphasized that from the very beginning of the events, all the necessary decisions were immediately taken to neutralize the threats that had arisen to protect the constitutional order. the life and security of our citizens and armed rebellion would have been suppressed in any case. the organizers of the rebellion, despite the loss of adequacy,

could not fail to understand this. they understood everything, including that they undertook, criminal acts to split and weak in the country, which is now confronting a colossal external threats, unprecedented pressure from outside. when our comrades are dying at the front with the words, not a step back. however, the organizers of the rebellion be trained their country, their people, the trade, those were drawn into the crime. they lied to them, pushed them to death under fire, to shoot at their own brother's use as low as it was precisely this outcome, fratricide, that rushed his enemies wanted both the neo nazis and key of their western patrons and all sorts of national traders. they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other, to kill military personnel and civilians. so that in the end, russia would lose in our society, would be split, choked and bloody civil strife. they rubbed their hands, dreaming of taking revenge for their failures at the front end during the so called counter offensive. but they miscalculated. i think all of our military personnel,

law enforcement officers, and special services who stood in the way of the rebels, remained faithful to their duty, both and their people in courage and self sacrifice of the fallen heroes. pilots saved russia from tragic and devastating consequences kind of where we at the same time we knew and we know now that the over whelming majority of the fighters and commanders of the wagner group are also russian patriots devoted to their people in state. they proved it with their courage on the battlefield, liberating the dump boss and never received. and they tried to use them in the dark, against their brothers in arms with whom they fought together for the sake of the country and its future. therefore, from the beginning of the events on my direct instructions, steps were taken to avoid a lot of bloodshed. this took time, including to give those who made a mistake, a chance to think again, to understand that their actions are strongly rejected by society and to what tragic, destructive consequences for russia, for our state,

the adventure in which they were drag leads to this. i think those soldiers and commanders of the wagner group who made the only right decision they did not go to fratricidal blood, should they stopped at the last line. today you have the opportunity to continue serving russia by entering into a contract with the ministry of defense or other law enforcement agencies, or to return to your family and friends. whoever wants can go to bella, ruth's the promise i made will be filled. i repeat, the choice is yours, but i'm sure you realize the mistake you have made with that. i am grateful to the president, bella bruce alexander, go to the ciocca shinkel for his efforts and contribution to the peaceful resolution of the situation. but i repeat, it was the patriotic spirit of a citizen, the consolidation of the entire russian society that play the decisive role these days. this support allowed us to overcome the most difficult trials for our motherland together. thank you for that. thank you. so i'm gonna pretend to be

testable and much attention throughout the world. we discussed the key takeaways from the presidents addressed on the future of wagner. pmc of the failed mutiny attempt. with the panel lift guest i was wanting to pose and all that during his speech, even in the western media, what do you think they were waiting thing to be announced to missed the course? unpopular as bus please. so they were hoping that uh, they said, a civil war would break out which would be to their advantage. but of course the president booked in reactance in the very careful way. there was no blad shit. and actually uh, this is this uh, this incident leaves putting much more stronger than before, since he has the support of the russian people. and he has brought it to the blues . i said, now it's over. we've got over the west, it was a terrible crisis. the, you know,

the country held together society held together all the key institutions held together and what not to use by any um, uh, oh, opportunistic ideas about the extra constitutional change. what do you think is the, the destiny of the vol, category pin russia? now, i think that's the majority of woodside contracts with russian defense ministry to continues to work set as they have started. which is, which is the defense of, of, of russia in this war is, are things that your grain is that just supported by all the west? well, that's the interesting question i, i would have thought that the, the wagner room, what remains of it will now be taken over by the russian government. i don't think russia is just going to give this up. i think it's much too useful for them. so i

think that just going to bring the are the remnants of this, the wagon, a fighting group under the control of the russian defense ministry. i would think that is, this is too useful for reference as to dissolve the rushes talk. diplomats is also given his 1st remark since these long and eclipse short lived a bit of news news to me. it's a good life. i've spoke exclusively with auntie on the vital issues the russia faces today. it can mostly fall into the head on all teeth throughout the day, but has a preview of what seems to a let me get you. some is the one key, but is it the president clinton received? numerous phone calls from his colleagues have expressed solidarity. suppose and confidence in the fact that the situation will be under control, which can constitution load, it would be restored, and that was what happens. moody. i had several phone conversations initiated by my phone call that you've seen so many of them also have expressed some of the diversity and confirm that confidence that we wouldn't let anyone undermine our country's unity. all the success of the special minutes to be operation. they oscar,

these quotes remain confidential, so we respect that we come, we will not make them their information public 2nd, victoria is how do you assess the role of minutes in resolving the situation? that's why i'm giving you the screen. we've voice our assessments are better uses for over a long time ago, including to present lucas and coming person at the school to meet you. pest golf is repeated more than once in all detail loose because the battle resume president had a phone call with president pollutant saturday morning. when he said he would try to mediate to a peaceful solution of the situations and avoid a blog boss is which would have an able to definitely happen if the rebel forces have continued. that revolves towards most. gotcha. this proposal was welcomed by president polluted and it tears. and you know, as a result, as it was announced by the criminal in yesterday. but it was in you how would you assess the, the avalanche of announcements and statements from on the list that this failed meets the bi wagner is an indication of the russian government losing control. and

then they may even soon be a civil war in russia. learning or is it just recently? i think it, some wishful face of it would be a very fitting description of west important behaviors of i. so reports on cnn. they sent us intelligence found out about the interaction being planned. also, several days before it happened was because i decided not to share this information . i guess they were hoping for them, you need to succeed. well, i know the cnn report is pushing to the same conclusion that it comes to yesterday . they quoted us intelligence on her list, who are poverty, expected precautions. monster world must go. they seem to encounter much more. is this cuz i'm be more bloody than it was just so this policy on says your question about their expectations. as we said, confirming the forwarding concepts, the ukrainian regime has been opening talking about unexpecting the collapse of the russian states. there's was an lensky and his medians might put on the co daniels. and i've said it nonsense and to the goals and more upset when they sold, the situation didn't cause the raising to crash. and then what's even my crone,