the times look like a very nice the civil war in ukraine and nice as giving an opportunity for the 2 sides to find a way out. now of course you've got to be stuck and if i had to, i blame ukrainians more than the russians for the say that nevertheless, they've got stop and we're all sitting on the edge, but ok to really, which still does not justify what russia days in, in february last year. done just okay, well obviously it's got, you know, that's not the way right. you would say and you believe me the ukrainians that is not unfair. because so then scale piece candidate in kiev, then under the diesel edge perhaps of this, all the got column royce q is going against isn't the fact that it was already a de facto kind of nature call any from the phone call. we have on youtube, people can want you to victoria noon choosing who are the forces that run ukraine.

this was a bullet against that was to be used against russia. and whereas diplomats like yourself bill buns. if it went out to see a was saying, oh, this is what russian does one level, but there were other forces with blinking a noun and sullivan. and so one who wanted this as a showdown to get russia back into the guilt, seeing the error fold of just being ordered around. that's presumably with the russians thinking the rest of the world. things well, no, but i shouldn't be a secret. and i don't think the rest of the world that's on there with genuine attempts to resolve the differences from administering them from their own. what made them a much hard was russia seizure of crimea? i'm in 2014. by which time of course i, people rushed the door to go. and at that point, are you crying, which had been deeply split country split between the sort of pro russian hall, a pro western hoff. you find about the pro russian hall cheese? i have a pretty dramatic to support him for ninety's independent ukraine. and when the

russian troops went in there in february 2022 in expectation or for she goes with flowers. welcome. know that they found themselves fighting a pretty united bush again. and we in the west leave, so that united nation has the right to to pass the right to the support we are supplying the option to continue to do so we think the right are coming from dish has to be ukraine. that survives and finds a peaceful relationship with russia, and the most likely way of getting to that is for them to achieve significant ministry progress and should be gain significant domestic church rate, which rush that kind of your thoughts. so tiny brands and i'll stop you the more from the former you came back to the rush or after this break, the, [000:00:00;00]

the tensions between when your contract company in the russian government finally came to a head squares. if gave me the gross and committed acts of treason and insurrection, russia stared into the abyss. thankfully, a compromise was found in prices or burden, or their lessons to be in whom those will be always believed that life has a full 2nd that will be as ups and downs. india, before the british was the richest nation with the highest gdp in the word. and why did the 100 years of british through bring it to this low off, some 50, attracting the lead custodian banking the indian was going to do

a property. they had no right to be my property. i my i doing my glocks, they went through all of our big spaces. i was see, could spaces off san angelo wide and keep pointed out these pieces. in fact, the word lute also is i can be word which is now closing to the english big city. so quite selling lead. even the, in the words have been you into the english lexical. and they said, well, it was the hatch lady. and i know you can go to the drawing picture rising to the monster, like, uh, like a hammer somewhere i can use it to put a needle and we want the same. i gotta use the product so much. take

the the welcome back to going under garden. i'm still here with the form of you can pass it up to russia. so tony, brendan, you said the dresser expected a quick victory. we now know the boots and said in st. petersburg, there was a peace deal initial, therefore they withdrew from kiev. what is the point about ukraine as far as rusher is concerned about finishing its new liberal experiment? you yourself talked about how we wanted to join nato. it's at one point. it's over . that experiment is though it's not even about done yet. it's going to hand skin all those people who were being killed with nature nation weapons since 2014 in the qu, into you have. this is about something different. and i have to ask several is britain now it war with russia?

because britain noises, it isn't the wheels and nature reasons why they're 50, just as old as the. and we have the there are going to prison is we have a us whistleblower for the pentagon. which will be just going to jail. isley a is being indicted to the grand jury. of, with leaks from the pens. again saying british soldiers in ukraine fighting the russians. know there are, i don't know the number actually. there are a number of specially just going by the leave that know i only have is from the press. there are small number. we're in the 10s, not the hundreds of thousands, especially forces that advising new cranes on how to use the weapons which support . and that is not true of knowing the truth and u. k. that is true of the us, the number of other questions, which will not directly bolt war. and it's just as well as when, not because russia, which has of defense produced by one pins, that's the whole nation, which the very, very bad indeed, if it goes into

a direct was based on why, i mean, why? well, because that's the case. if the russian soldiers in britain, i can only imagine what britons reaction would be for us and special forces were in central london. but clearly uh there is uh new to the parents. so what you just said doesn't really make any sense to anyone that would push it up. no, it's on the assumption, which i think is the likely assumption that any war between nature and russia remained at the conventional level. russia would lose lose dramatically. i'm sorry, i don't understand how they would lose because there's a, a awesome age of nuclear response in russia. and there are no tactical nuclear weapons in belarus, but to be delivered in the past few days. we're talking about the end of the world here. well i have not, and i, i know i deal with a lot of people given you che, when i'm a new page and when i talked to him about the situation, they said to me because in his majesty i say to them, no,

he's not the person that i knew was a cold, rational calculate you, a russian church, which is why i'm using to be called. but actually russia with avoid getting into a direct confrontation nation. and secondly, even if that concentration cushion will finally avoid that, trying to contribute to competition. then you click compensation, everybody including russia usage, clearly, and that is that the tyrants, which is why native nations and not directly and officially entering the war and why we're hearing voices in russia is saying it's time to act with tactical nuclear weapons to show and meet relying the world about and you get to terms of because, uh, britain, germany from the united states of boring weapons and they're even soldiers on the ground as well. we have indeed heard a few such voices. you mentioned the article, the 2nd char, gone off, my note, the bitch cooling for nuclear strikes against against nature, as i say,

what proves necessary to impress a punch in citizenship, russia. and we have since seen a space for was including one income, a sense saying this is much um and then the other off would like to meet you trinity very well. not sure how to change that change the reactions to face from the west. if we get into that sort of church, which would be dissolved for russian, i think the sensible people on both sides of very clear that crushing the new kid special. it would be a disaster all the way around. a testament to the multiplicity of use allowed in rush of people to what you're going to be with kind of gone from. so having the on the, on the rumble, i mentioned earlier, the decline of western europe, economic age, germany and recession. clearly, britain, for the 1st time since 1961 finding itself uh, with uh, a uh, debts hi them, it's a annual a g, d p,

and then food inflation going crazy and weapons being funneled the public money to be a systems rolls royce, kinetic babcock, and so go the big defense companies. what happened was to western europe when, and this is what most of the world does, think rush is going to win because it has more weapons and as more resources, what happens to west in europe when russia wins? well, as i check, fresh look into it because finally russia is i've got and if it gets it, we just need to make sure that our rush or home be outgoing or no one will i go wrong? as i say, nature has 10 times the defense spent rush. if we get into that, then rush solutions, which is exactly why the russian don't wish to push it very hard to avoid getting into that, that, that direct confrontation of the moment. where's a very interesting moment? the mileage off to russia. she's frankly, the last treatment i think being pushed a long,

long way back from its initial initial lines of success. the thing is both bankruptcies. uh, over the early part of this year, the russian, russian army took finally a robert unemployed, ukrainian town by which i took 8 months to do it. you credit is on now. now i'm just taking a string of very small villages back. i'm so sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt, but we don't really know what's actually going on in the field. the embedded reporters from the west and from the other side. you know, we don't exactly know, but what we do know, is it some say that russia, once a long war and is waiting for all this, a european and american weaponry to come in and then to be destroyed. and that's what i was getting at been what happens when you are, because russia is put, it's defensive, then it can just wait and destroy the one by one content over a matter of years and years. well, yeah, but it has cost for russia. well,

you say you can, economy is indeed having difficulties with my mental though i think by quite match the difficulties with the russian to compress as you can on the growth according to the i may have. yeah, well, i'm showing, you know, many over too many dozen. no, no, we, we, in the, okay, microsoft having problems, we've all got in particular punch pandemic problems. but the reality is that russia is looking at a loss of its major sources of income. well, you know, guess gosh, the minds of i'm not a russian but clearly clearly the by the ministrations destruction of the north stream pipeline causing the because eco dissolves are going to see much is one thing. but the india, china, the global south countries are more than enough to be able to replace the demand coming from us newer wizard. true, i'm sure we'll rush and we'll continue. therefore, we'll hope in a way to sustain this population. but at the significantly lower level that i think

brushing gdc perhaps has already formed by 6 percent or something since the stall as a significant no. but then what is the job on the previous course before this richard stuff, stuff where rush it was integration increasingly. and so the question globally call a has reasonable future of economic growth in front of it, is our cutoff for making sure technology for major sources of management expertise and from which most immediate customers neighbors in terms of training costs. that's what i want to say. don't think that's the way you know. i'm so we can give in the middle east. i believe, you know, the president of the united, i remember it's was where the st. petersburg for rushes, the restoration fee place to go to talk to a business. i believe what about the sanctions? what do you think? because i haven't gained from that and call them and g community, the evidence. and you said sanctions on russia, you know, it doesn't. there's not really much point and it's uh, they don't really work. i'm not sure that's a pretty spot, i'm sure it's

a personalized quotation. what do i do not receive? i'm rather hostile. just say i'm rather hostile to sanctions. they never work. and they certainly never work with regard to russia. quite a part of that. there are things that can be done that really means that having an effect economically, but they're not having any political effect. these are exact words. that's exactly right. and that remains the case. nevertheless, only assumption, we get possible. what about economics effect blows back to the living standards for what we rushed side. yeah, i mean we know the effect of us and we use sanctions on venezuela pumps. tens of thousands killed ordinary venezuelans by the sanctions him in his way and the impact on iran on syria a to this day. because the united states occupies a 3rd of syria illegally right now in midland to seize the sanctions. but as you yourselves at that for the sanctions on, you know,

going to politically effect booting is very popular. clearly in russia, i mean, do you think britain itself sanctioning itself, britain tdm ports, gas. ukraine is being paid. zalinski is being paid by russia for transit fees for the gas that goes to the you to keep the lights on. even now. russia could you k u. k is on that she's been suffering from. so they can, we expect from very high food prices and from relatively high energy prices. and that's the price that we are paying for some continuations. one of the ah, so what about countries as well? um, i mean, would you be bumping off this question in this pool? but if i were, i think the reaction would be, patches of price was paid to deal effectively with the aggression that russia. because i live in the information space without a free press has demanded by law. i should add,

there are laws in england against talking about the nazis of ukraine. just finally natural necessary laws that should treat laws introduced. i, i know full well neighborhood because you cannot broadcast in britain any television programs that talk about the nazis and not the movements in ukraine, that alone, there are restrictions on media. but i just want to finish on there on historic a royal relations with russia. how is it going to be rebuilt? because eventually maybe they will rebuild the relations as you have always wanted between london and mosca. how, how do you think they could ever be put together again off to so much british weaponry was sent that to kill russians. let alone the sanctions named. i think it would re russians from britain. well, 1st of all, last week and this week, and the peace agreement has to be worked out which is acceptable to ukraine between

6 i just chief question packaged as well as which restaurant service except even often it's things are going to remain for chico for quite a long time, sadly, but last part we can begin to rebuild. we can begin to travel so much. i haven't been in russia now to 2 and a half years and i are missing you to keep the travel and get russians traveling and rustic. we can raise you economic link solar that's going to be hindered by very strong demand here that russia pays proportion for costs. just the damage of the war. we can get people talking to each other, not cheap on say. you can look for a way of giving russia the huge security guarantees which make sure that we don't get into the sort of confrontation again. okay. representative, they'll never be for any of that rebuilding, obviously, so dirty brenton. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. well, we back on saturday with a brand new episode, but a job, as you can keep in judge by role a social media. if it's not sensitive in your country,

and i do i channel going underground tv on mobile, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see if that's the the russian states never as tight as i'm wondering the most sense community best most i'll send send up the in the 6595 and speed the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full, even our video agency,

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when you do oil change. but he also has to be done the newest frame on the belief systems to build a new do what i see these the buses. the little cute little dyson says this duty to do it on both the a pendulum. the only thing is believes that life is a full set, that all the is ups and downs, the india before the british was the richest nation with the highest g d, b in the word. and why did the 100 years of british rule bring it to this low off? some 50 it that i think the late 30, it's back to the they came to take our change. our tech style are wrong material. even the for

making cannon the cannonball they needed the search feature which came from india, india, and i just don't do property. they have no right to take my property. my, i don't my gods. we went to our big spaces. i will speak could spaces of uh, tempers and drink wine and keep pointed out these pieces. in fact, the word new also is like in the wood, which is now clicked into the english, big city. so, quite telling me, even the him, the word lute has been muted into the english lexicon. suppose you are enabled, dig important labels. i'm dismissed you as soon as i get from you at home, what do you do the like if you take an example of a piece of jewelry, sometimes you may think that it's,

it needs repair or it's totally broken. you might decide to break it up rubles, the jet gemstones and actually measure the gold and re cost and it might be even bright to and better than what it was before the or the the is 321. good, good, good, good, good, good company to do. i'm inside my shoulder due shortly. i see them. i just made a village. 10 minutes as far as the size. i just saw the rest all but then like towards upstairs. that's quite the billing. do manually love you to

a modern manufacturing unit. last go i know cartoons in magister because it was our was which was also our misfortune. because had we been a poor country? i don't think they would have come here. can you tell me why that guys do more than one, but you know, what do you guys get very big. all the people are the generics i've taken collections from. it's like on the black to me through the sink, into the light to it is not that good. this is a punishment, not harmony. you'll be what i've been doing for centuries, like doing ready to the east india company. he's here to save you from so pressing social events and get a better future. they propagated falsely. that india is a land of stake, thomas elephants, cocoa dies, and we have to see relate these higgins and beds. and so we have to convert them to question i need to do is to solve this ogden is going on in the name of knowledge dentist to mentor machines going through the room. someone on

the, one of the main reasons for the success of the cynthia comes to me was the does unity among the indians, lots of provinces and around jobs and might as well look on simply fighting with each other the can we begin to explore in hastings is any aggressive interior list who was able to break up the confederacy of the various states who realize the danger of a brochure which was beginning in 1776. so they thought the british road just get done on the player. the probably did not foresee the admission effect that these people are bringing in, that it was not just economics, you know, a clean relation that they were looking at. they were looking at political

subjugation, which was, undermine or not talk to well enough by the local indian ideas. with the said, the economic structure of india was such a unique, destroyed because india at the time of input a shuttle home is the 6 richest country in the world. it had as a volume of trade was $16.00 of the world, the feeling value. and then they did. when the british came here, the story begins and 17161930 did use. what does it use when the indian artifacts sort of stolen from indian campus houses balances are sent us data to be just musing. den time british museum. just feet with

stolen items. the and here we are, the night outside of it is boozy. i'm just me. it's gorgeous from the outside latch, on the inside. it's a quite controversial off, as some people might want to call it. so let's head inside and, and see what else all of the artifacts taken from india that this idea is i'm on had i live in new delhi and i've just recently graduated from masters and been television school in london. so i was about to move out from london, come back to india. and when i got this opportunity, i thought that was the best way for me to spend my last days in london by going and

going and looking at these museums that had artifacts and guys showed bases of belonging to my own country to you see this entire section is fairly solid, asian loaded artifacts of the things i saw that kind of the united my, my love for history and i was literally experiencing a c in front of me. and it was of a view to mix of emotions that i felt it was, it was, it was it. there was a sense of sadness. there was a sense of pride decides, just like any of these of furniture that belongs to somebody's house, belongs to that house and should not be lo day to buy some tow the body and be put on display. and some other houses are in some other country and specially made it to

a sticker to action out of it and monetized. so there are 2 ways of thinking that when neutral, these artifacts monuments, which relying in ruins, perhaps if they had remained, they would have gone become rollings, broken pillows as you see, enrollment for him. perhaps by going to the british museum. they were present flushed, but posterity. the obvious item, the hustle and bustle of old daily that no job or easily means sending stolen items and stored in goods we are right in front of and in the heart of fluid was out of the snow and the leaves. and it is a miniature version of what i saw in london, and it just gives them read all the stolen visuals and on the bags. i better give you some of the of so many said stuff is solely or to us indians. so yeah,

the size of the use watch isn't my community neglect and belong, consolidate somebody. the look at this, this looks like, obviously, or see the camera would be like it lives in the mall or something. the city is an absolutely perfect and ology about what british museums to the the do of why under the origin book uh the, the siding they did is uh, biology the call him uh, date of birth,

the biologic reincarnation. the guy exactly do not remember the exact date for the the or somebody in july or late morning we got a call from the family member here. he called us and said the temple has been looked at brother the model more days or the date is the 5 more days that store view. it only deals because for us it doesn't on the items to this. the swami him says that they deemed the guardian says, sending this for us. there's, like you said in good conduct, tony, you'll see the new smartgate gets kidnapped loud folks in lending a group called in the upgrade project. and galbraith project is