a turkey in 2015 and so on, then them, and that's, that is going to be the perception. and i, i think, but i mean i, i agree with you that low bloodshed was avoided and that's, that's a good thing. and because i think we will see everything yesterday that there was going to be an old my to class a bit between the russian boys and the i'm glad enough that didn't happen above as we move forward. i mean, i think the rush or really how does have to resolve this problem? and i think that this, this problem in your brain has to be dealt with because i think the frustrations within the military is going to grow. i mean, are they going to feel that this, this needs to be brought to an end, because soon will already be commemorating to me is start of this a spectrum of the job races, or they have to bring this to an end to which one can only hope that that is the conclusion that will be drawn by the russian leadership to meet me and we have 30 seconds before we go to the breaks. i like what you said because you know, the deb supposed to what you know,

but in the southern like mike on the ball showing the truth is very weak. but you actually say just see what the reverse. steve has the capital to be able to make compromises to go look at nuances and whatnot. here. i mean, i don't have a definitive a position on all of this. i'm still trying to absorb it. like the both of you real quick before we go to the break. yeah, i mean, it just, i think it boils down to one main thing um, yesterday had every stop choice. if he had taken a more aggressive viewpoint towards this, from using it. you know what was looking at, we was looking at a situation of actually sending traction soldiers to roster on don't that would have been a lot boss that would have been literally upload the boss. and where do you, what do you go from above? think about the that's not my friend. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion said the party, the

the the has played a by then, or you can go to the victor rising, the monster. but it's like, uh, like a hammer somewhere i can use it to put a needle in my want at the same. i gotta use the fact how much time it's a to the person was for the, the rolling of the us over to the board. you know, credit union, daugherty,

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a picture of the day. so if it's the a while to make across that were all things are considered id little bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real moves. the ok, let's go back to you in america. so we had to had to go to a hard break. i interrupted your thought, please continue. so yeah, i think so we, we, we looked at a situation where we could have had sort of an internal strive of civil war within russians forces between the pointed to us. and i think if they did a very mostly tough and quickly, very, very quickly worked out a way of actually resolving issue diffusing it and doing, you know, being a,

being the chief electric i the, the, the, the, some new shows or leadership and the state come on the pressure and resolve the price just i'm, you know, imagine all of these opinion rocha's, all these experts on the cnn, you know, with the garbage. they've been writing over los ranchos out, they have to. but as of today, there's a lot of them have been writing words like crisis impala, trembling, pushing on the edge, facing the abyss. you know, is this the tipping boyd and all of this notion so close is, is, is, is just that is absolute rubbish. well, i'm not going to name names here, jump, i'm gonna go to georgia, the name of the time that i've done, but it will have to be much the point. the point is to you. i was sent in a link in the early evening and it was basically pack your bags theater. it's over . there are quite a bit is plenty of the street lamps and they'll probably pick out for you. it was all this bravado, and i just wrote back to back down, he's going into exile and it was just like silence. okay. because this for you both

been saying is you come on graciously? every single weekend is they, they reality be, you know, they will never get in the way of their id all and say, okay, and, and then you know, which in georgia you were saying something that we say on our babel pod cast and you've said have many to and so i think it's really important is this, the initial special military operation was supposed to be done on the jeep as he would like to say, i think it's appropriate. you, that having the wagner of the group was doing it on the cheap too. when they came back and bid them, you know where george yeah. what i think that's right. and i think that some uh, is it clear to the extent its, um yeah. any, anything to be clear because we have so little information has been divulged that the russian government was planning on some very quick um, knock out blown to t a in the early days of the launch of a circle,

special village opperation, you know, just falls, zalinski into interchange of policy, i'm so big intimidate them with that massive force outside kids. and then they would be something similar to what happened in chapter. so back in the idea of success, that didn't happen. and then once the a, you know, this whole spectrum of that, your operation transformed into essentially a rule. then russia decided not to go down the path of a full scale localization, but wanted to do it on the cheap and with the people such as religion. i pray goals, it is really, you know, a fall back to the air of the 1990 is, i mean, these big, powerful, all the gods who amassed a lot of money and a lot of our and who could just do all sorts of things for the government, i have roman, i promise that generally the rest of the problem to which was also involved in

conducting various operations for uh the government. and yeah. who did it the last day? i mean, the last is yachts and the football club is going to happen to a nicer guy. um i, i but i was and so they said they delegated this to pre goshen. as really they delegated as a separate goes and i'm in the various operations is syria in the, in the, in this, the handling and so on. it but its, you pay the price. uh, and, you know, it goes in like many uh, generals of the past. let, will this go to is had, they said they realize they i'm, i'm bigger and more important than the government that has given me these lucrative contracts. so yeah, it was, it was the question that they dissolved. so it was in the making. i mean, there's been weeks has been sounding off denouncing the russian states, obviously, believing himself to be boss the more important than uh, than anyone else. yeah, it was, it was a town to end in disaster united martin. george brings up

a good point because we've talked many, many times, the one following the, sorry, this has been months and the making here, you know, why is a brush and barking like he is? these are to personally attacking the, the defense minister, or the being intelligence alvarado. and you know, and there was no reaction, there was no reaction. it was just something that was sent out there. and it was, it was in russian political culture. it's very disrespectful. you don't usually do that type of thing that you use movie but to yourself. and so a lot of people really surprised by it and, and i thought it'd be the, it'd be, uh, would you be an annoyance because it seemed to be distracting from what was at the at hand. and plus, you know, i always kind of fall back on the position and he was hired to do the job. okay. and let's be honest, here his fighters took the brunt of blood. lenny, okay, but that's what the deal was that going back to george's? well, the conflict on the cheap, you know, you don't want to send boys there. i'm just going to, um, uh,

like buy call in places like that. okay. that was part of the deal. but then again, that showed the class difference, the poor us and lit least advantage ended up going into wagner. yep. that's that's, that's what it's revealed here for a lot of people wish legal services. no to get well. wagner is on who those and the folks out there, most res. so they all paid money to flights. without professional searches, they don't have ethics or audiology has not been by any of the. notice that you that you mentioned earlier that we had indications. we are closed for a long time. i really, i'm surprised that some it really that came to this. i mean, i think probably this, this call him access my most web page and supposedly looked into the database. you know, i think it was probably helped by western media because, you know, who really sees on those. i roll the petulance and, and the color for the videos that precaution made. it was really west of media. it was western journalist was known as to reach it,

them we really lent on them and gave them the prominence appropriate they shouldn't, they shouldn't have really deserved, but in terms of actually guessing what came next. one of the contributors, it might be a scottish wright to bring it right to coach on weiss. i actually predicted this a few months ago, but it isn't an obstacle drops. um there was a assumption of the code. it's out on the cards and this, this is the guy who was going to put it off. so i think the songs was the, i think we lost sight of who we was and what it, what it does and what is most employees do. he didn't feel that his services on his managed services were, were rolled correctly. he's in a complained about like around the nation and about the from the far not having the respects. but he believes you need is, who does the narrative from the defense minister across the defense minister is a key part of this full route. you know, to show you was really the nemesis of this guy is showing it was really the one he had in his, in his, in his science and his headlines sites. so well, a lot of it,

i think, was down to western media. if you do what i did yesterday, i don't realize it, but i actually bit the bullet yesterday and put on cnn. listen to cnn. while i did the washing up and various for me to tossed around the house and i was a pools. so the analyst and the academics, the people who i cool white bookshelves, people always have what bookshelves behind them in any way in america, the academics always have what bookshelves. they seem to be more objective and informed and balance in how they frame the whole circle to today's the day. where is the x, the real experts, the journalist, the scene and wheeled out, you know, a been nice but then wait a month. and next person will, she would just talk central console for ever. okay. he's a bread. he's all checking that he has funds. he was, you know, but of these guy is these journalists, you know, then i went to russia. they never said once in these long, long, long pieces to camera, according to people i've spoken to in russia,

according to my so we never heard of. uh, we just here is, i think there's a nice thing about that. you know, the case i stuck up and you realize that you're talking to john, that is a really haven't got the faintest idea of what's going on in russia and then place to pitch in a know all of these cliches and lies them hundreds. and just this, this part of the law is really is fed to people and a little bit sticks. a lot of it is actually taking the oh absolutely, it's exposed to how much of the year, what, what do you, what, how much the passage after people they were exposed to rush engaged still believe it. yeah. but i wonder how much of it actually impacted precaution himself when he made those videos there. but your to mean, you know, when we can take a step back. i mean, it seemed to me in this, in the, as the beds were unfolding up to this weekend, the groceries position was actually being diminished. i mean, bottom, there was a,

the wagner group was being withdraw. they had done their job. they, they bled, they got, they got a lot of kudos from the public. i mean, it was very interesting watching over the last, the 36 hours these telegram channels. they worshiped him and they had to tie themselves into a huge spread. still trying to figure out how to explain this. ok. and, and it was the end. and then i, i agree with martin, i think you know it's, it's kind of flaming out with knowing somehow there wouldn't be severe consequences . george. yeah, i think so. um, you know, the other he's obviously been trying is luck, issuing video off the video and we were astonished that he was good. just speak like this, about the, the top brows up. well, he was still working, but then he was on the contract to them and that's the way he spoke with them. and um, you know, there's no question that once he has gone down this path of attacking the russian

government, they, are they leadership and essentially spreading a message of defeatism. i mean, it was defeatism demoralization that, well, how, how different are you now from cnn? his mother was saying, how different are you, the british government? does it say you're basically saying the same thing? i mean, you're just going there talking points, rushes rubbish. russia is being led by terrible people, russia, con, when this war, like we're getting like getting club and by the you brain is your brain is a much better fight is on the russians. well, is allowed just sounds just like michael look phone. and then the just wonder, well was there was some point at which contact was made between western intelligence services and um, 3 goals and they, why don't you try something might be the right time. mm hm. one thing i can tell you that when i'm going to the city lazarus was go in the city of moscow in talking

to people and was observing people. one thing was absolutely sure that there was this profound folk that there would be no bloodshed and they know it's instability is something that people dread here. and that's one of the reasons why i buy them yearbook and maintains as popularity. i think for reasons that martin is already explored here, you know, if you make hard decisions, you have political capital, you can expand it out, doesn't always make it look good. okay. so it's, those are the long term outcome that is important here. but a gentleman, this story is far from over. i think we just going around the edges here because so much more can on fold. i'm going to whole learn a lot more. and we found out of how a lot of this information works right in front of our eyes. all right, gentlemen, small dinner and we, i want to thank make us american in budapest and thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember across stuff in the,

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resist the the, the, the welcome to all the parts. historically, any new technology has been matched with a mix of fear and excitement, but the advantage of the artificial intelligence has created a new possibility of human is becoming redundant, if not completely obsolete would be a revolution already on the way. caching will still set the rules and the

boundaries both for themselves and for that life is creation. we'll discuss them now and join, but g, l, e s a n a i f, assist and an expert on india and a i. miss ellis is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. that's on up or having me in the show on that. also for choosing this topic because the video 11 does days most of ours. absolutely. and let me start with the, perhaps a very personally biased question because you know, after years of my covering, uh, global politics and seeing how decisions are made and implement that i have huge doubts about ethics because we live in a day and age when the, the influence of vested interest is enormous. when i disregard it, i'll just feel values, but basic humanities all around. so i think it's very hard to believe that anything faces this costs can be implemented truthfully as

a policy. what makes you hopeful about that? the copies walk, it keeps us going, right. the rates are not just about technology, but in general, and i like that to be honest, i'm not that of domestic ven, yasu pointed out like, oh, how much will be the implementation part when it comes to, right? because of the house, the and the ethics i think of watching or ethics while i say right. but somebody like to go minds they, if you care about the ethics, right? i think in recently you'll see us all more about the creator of the be coming and say, oh it does is scary, but then the rest and why did you release it? right. why, why? i mean, the latest adult if you look at the original hoping i the whole company started to save you money from a i, and then you launch this to what i'm going to for the in between. and then you go, mine's, i'm worried about this thing. so this raises the question, right, how much, how much don't worry is genuine in this cases. so i'll be hosting from time to time,

brother, we have talking about climate change or any of those things, right? it's, it's very difficult to get people behind on the go. uh, or how do i say social goals and, but now that we are, and that's right off uh, let's the people losing job like a blunder maybe gilbert to have this as being made by the stores. we have to do something about it. let's, let's talk about that in detail because, um, you also have a, someone geopolitical perspective. because you mentioned that the, i think the discourse of, for now at least, is dominated by the western perspective. and soft pers, from a lack of diversity, can you give some examples of that? so uh, ethics is that's up to the corporate culture, right, of how people both see you. so i kind of things is not the same. the other part of the word, the same business with you. for example, i will give you 2 countries, claudia, and about these 2 countries. i'll share and then i'll go to our federal technology . right. and the job will be done to batch them together as is ation economic

powerhouse is. but when you look at how they approach they, i do recently it's, it's a totally different idea. for example, victorian policy makers has laid it out that a i is a to it, right? it should be to buy to buy a human. so let's have the extreme and of a spectrum. you know, i as a do it as you like, jump round. they being, they have a robot run day, how robots i can get of the other. so it's a lot more. how do i as a, go to bit technology right now, the japanese documents tutors, and these days that we should look for building society by, by and all where humans a i, n, roll woods reside together. so the extreme end of the spectrum know europe, the house, somewhere in between rush hour, hour, difference done, but of you, you as an hour difference. i'm going to view in the, out of the have a different sound point of view of privacy, right? the 2 comes to is done, go just like a very many people lives the live, enjoy the family. the idea of privacy may be very much different from lot and

person in the house, right? oh, okay, but privacy is something that essentially directional within. but when we deal with the artificial intelligence, it's essentially dealing with the collective psyche because artificial intelligence feeds on the big data and, you know, simple logically, you know, all societies a different because they, you know, approach was problems in a different way. and that was chris, genuine diversity if, as you say, the current discourse and perhaps the current technology to some extent is dominated by one strand of thought. one way of life. uh, isn't there a threat of extinction? north of humanity, but as these diversity within key humanity really definitely. so there is this uh, business part explain monday enough and also be under to explore that tony problem . right. you have a tony that is coming out of control. you have a new are and you go to the doctor, the probably by the tony by default is going to the left track. there. find people are crap. and by pulling deliver you can change his direction to the right track,

but only one person who stop. so this question is, what do we do? that's impressive. now i keep asking this question, i know, or i need someone from a new country or a new region i'll discussing immediately. so it's quite clear, if i offer specials or anyone from you or all, or do an extra for me to go, they will say they won't do anything. because 1st of all, the europe is generally st. by pulling the, the work they're migrating one person to save the fight. i like my present, but they're modeling one person, right? i are the same time. some people, the one person's life easy, pretty valuable as a fine people. but when you bring this question to india or china or somebody, you know, you shouldn't go to visit. finalize is always bigger than one. so this is now imagine this kind of the got lots of bits of driving car to i should act, administrators and like that. what is the philosophy? what the 8 miss ellis, this is a very interesting uh, foster experiment to consider. especially given again the current state of jail

politics because uh, western countries historically have lunch to have more wars with 5 bigger a. that's those them, any of these certain kinds of countries that supposedly i'm not concerned about the value of a single human life. now, you politically and i think it's unlikely as well. the world is moving away from western, had gemini, and towards more diversity towards multiple direct to do seem to same tribe happening in the field of a i. i think the one good example i think the oven we are talking about. they are, people tends to avoid talking about china because they've been doing some phenomenal work on an increase in the us. i not have done, but there's more i got big was than us, right. there's even a thing that's, i know he's leading. they are right now you're going to india also. yeah. it has like a totally different. i'm all right. do from what you guys or jane already. one is putting forward. right. became old as a. we know. yeah. you're right. because we are the biggest export of the talented may, i may be on the sunday, i've been always also, but with, with the technology,

we have a program was gonna be help investing in are going to begin to choose and be decided to choose a i to sort of ours, which your economic problems, like the big created this say i start to do besides the day i for we want overhead good problems to be at those. but they, i be honest, if there is any educational issues, we are the other day i because of which is the biggest economic sector and media, we thought it was $50.00 and it was a what, what goes by the new board. we want to make it more efficient by using yeah. that's why we been doing a no easy this language model is coming out. and why do we have them to behave use their language models. and we used a program called box of need, which is a national, a language translation issue, because we are going to do it with the language on hundreds or on a visual language. so we use this box any layer. i'm the creating joyce to rich people to access this kind of phenomena language model technology, right? you tell people who can speak to these models through this process,

my voice in to be get done with the benefits of get farmers wisely and many other things. so that's where we've been doing, and that's where we want to be. the leaders will be starting knology across the board. and that sounds very inspiring because, you know, and you're working, provide many examples of how a, i can. it's not narrow uh the gaps that the exist between privileged and disadvantaged groups done that please bring some very nelson certain development. and i think an argument can be made that there is a natural synergy, you know, between a i and such huge countries like india or china that you're bound to use big data. but always in the west, you're here this here, all of those big browser at the tall attire and control and what have you do those issues concern you? are they as my to read to you as a to some of your western colleagues? yeah, i think this is one thing, so when i even know where i tell them when i'm working, i,

someone from us or someone from us, immediately brings of the dominator. or are we going to be leaving under at a rule or machine, or they're going to take over. but if i to the is my job safe. so there is this different bus. thank you, right? the focus more on jobs. a doing next is what it would perhaps play that and i and i and gotten those rolling, which are rising today. i also want to start, but it's like, uh, i'd like a home or if i have another number, i can use it do with a name on my what and the same number. i can use it back on wednesday. if it's the person who's forwarding the home or no, you don't, people like it on the coming all those to be the extension of the product so that they either don't mean the thing is binding me by an agent and it doesn't how any motion. it doesn't have to go through human evolution, right? the dominant, straight v, how i assume it be titled.