yeah, i think this is one of the things over and i even know where i tells them when i'm working they, i, someone from us or someone from us immediately brings of the terminator, or are we going to be leaving under, at a rule, our machines are going to take over, but if i throw that to an indian, is my job safe? so there is this different bus, becky, right? we focus more on jobs. i'm the one that says well, it would perhaps play that. and i and i got a new role in your eyes and does a i of the monster. but it's like, uh, i'd like a hammer. if i have another number, i can use it to put a name on my was the same number. i can use it that someone say it's a 2 pairs of the person was folding. the hammer. now, you know, people like it, almost all are coming. all those to be the extension. ok. so that a, i really don't mean the thing is by me, by nature, it doesn't how any emotion it doesn't have to go through human evolution, right? the dominant, straight v. how assume it be titled into associated with the intelligence and the

things some of the bar in the bottom do that. that's i wasn't sure. but mister ellis, this is a very interesting question to consider again as an assist or as a philosopher. because i am for one a, a big fan of the ancient history, ancient literature. and what strikes me is a sort of the human eyes ation of the humans that is going on. i mean, the split between the mental intellectual capacity and the psychological or ethical capacity which always distinguished us as a species. and i think my concern is that any new technology comes to, to him would charge a certain aspect of our nature and desensitized another. and i wonder how does a i play into that? is it more likely to balance those or imbalances, or is it more likely to exacerbate them? so it just depends on how we build these 2 as i b b. how to control it right now you can go to judge b d, all right, which is a very powerful language model you oscar to use. um lets say it'd be done,

i'd wise or otherwise, i'm gonna try and we doesn't do that. why? because of the program to ensure that these kind of advisors are not given out. right. so these are be brought down by too much control by us. now, because these humans are the smartest, let's say, as much as, or go with the, with our glass be in the bottom via that i'm donating the spot. but so be things on something that more smarter than us end up dominating, or you look at the history of promoting isn't meant to be as of right, the immunization records, or we advise technology ended up taking or colonizing the lower one. but here, the prism is a high, doesn't the power and need to go mean it's a to it right? now it all depends on how well it's a to, if you are a south korean the right. but the, as you said before, if you are, let's say a japanese, you're more likely to see it as a partner. um, i've heard you say that when we move on that spectra and allow, you know, more of a partner like qualities to the a i,

it allows for the full or realization of its positive potential. can you explain what it means because it sounds like actually giving out the controls and, and trusting yourself to them known really shouldn't be sure. so the thing is, be sure to call the check boards which are no guidelines frameworks or do it. i some regulation to ensure that they, i will often add the spring board or dissolve, it shouldn't be going on. right. so, and so the board, i'm worried mostly them, that good sense of what is the current situation? first of all the dependency people are taking see does lead, advises that coming through this language, more of the house and up wasn't already committing suicide. anybody originally based on i talked with the job or we're seeing and maybe are there, is somebody gonna buy? would you be the that you'd be the grungy be now people are probably going to these models already. did that? why is that even do they get that? you like to watch their religious people or what do they act up on these things, like, certainly the job situation. i mean my,

my biggest worry at this point is job. i've used recently, although i saw that one of the indian memory. but like if i are on the read the number of people because they're incorporating a trying to read, write the whole scene, government document board saying that almost kind of thinking a 1000000 full time jobs are exposed to organization. now be able to try to balance a new kind of jobs our company, right? but my question here is, imagine you are a copier and there are 50 and on the computer you are a job is not taken over by a long res. yeah. you invested a lot of money and a lot of here was a, of your life into this craft and then all of a sudden, i mean, so i really don't like, don't worry there are new kind of don't. yeah. like of that. and then very thing, right. our the find the item, the doesn't make any sense. absolutely. well, what makes sense is taking a short break right now, but they will be back to these fascinating conversation in a moment state and the

. i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law should we live in justification. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously, is to trace a trust, rather than to the various jobs. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have summoning the demon, the robot must protect his phone, existence was on the

interim. those will be always believe that life as a full 2nd that will be as ups and downs india before the big dish was that it just nation with the highest gdp in the word. and why did the 100 years of british truly bring it to this low off some 50, attracting the late 30. it's banking the indian was going deeper, but he had no right to be my property. my. i don't my gods. they went through all of our big spaces, i was the could spaces off. sam pointed out the spaces inside the wood lute also in the wood, which is now working to the english,

the big city. so quite selling lead. even the, in the words have been looted into the english lexical of the welcome back to worlds of parts with cheap ellis and a i. f, assist as an expert on in a i. mr. ellis, before the break we mentioned slipping into sections between the, the field a religious or theological studies and the a i essex. and i heard you say that buddhism in particular, offers a very distinct way of thinking about those technologies. um, can you elaborate in that? yes, so i think the more trusted them from this book written by those uh, uh,

i got a mission right. the same as far as kind of the dental. i have written up and dusting book that looks like they are on a buddhist best. but you know, the whole question about, let's say we create a send in machine really visa now when we send out an hour, i'd be happy to create or i can present generally those which will be equal into humans. and uh, you know, send in machines which got be on do other things right now that's, i'd be operator. but anything i want to do with this um, uh, from what i have the end of the send you how should i should be under human? it should holly it has a saw, i bought it, but this believe is really right. and then if that's the case, then what about human rights? does it apply to these indian machines? then what about labor laws? so the extra dollars which is already done was over. so that's a question, right? the moment you're intelligent assessment in the machine, then the whole questions will come right? be be able to create us, we are becoming creat all intelligence, right?

so that means that the not only distresses we're going to, but i'm to be honest, we don't have any answers at this point. there is a difference between uh, artificial intelligence and artificial consciousness. can you, uh, ex, explain, was the boundary between the 2 of them. so what we, how right now is so the field of technology goes along back $5060.00 or above the ideal a drawing i yeah. really do. does by like, uh, even sales bobby's idea pretty easily. but yeah, the opportunity to go must go in and produce like, but we have gone through many models, many male building, then we had this machine learning deep learning, majestic us. and so far now, what we, how is a more than one thing? very good, right? charge you with the gun, right? edit do almost anything. it's like a really will do, or maybe better than the magenta. again, do paintings amazingly. right? dot again, via email. just but a judge, you really gone through a few minutes or

a not a gone to go forward, right? don't say so once you build a doors that can do multiple things or why don't you build a i to, is that, let's say, based on the and that is, that is capable of identifying itself as an entity. i think that's what i use. they are going to pursue a consciousness is being created. and the problem is recently, i think, uh, i think the i buy 6 months ago. uh, 67 months ago there was a gentleman called blake when he was an engineer with google. she was working on this long, don't we just move his language model. he actually said the model of the game from the people. i mean i, i, i thought maybe it was much better because we still are ready at least asian dental . but i don't know what he was gone, but that this martin was sent in and people are right about mental health issues already. now the question is, nor does this more of us and do it or not, but how it will make us believe, right when you're trying to charge you be the uh you ask it. otherwise,

it gives you a very solid advice that other one you are starting to think that this is a conscious entity, right? this is not just a computer program that is only good in trouble understanding the sequence of words organic. spend what is prospective, helps here as well, because you know, what's important ultimately in the religious whale of life is the transition from suffering to freedom. but suffering is very important. that's where the sort of the work of the soul happens. that's where you actually build up consciousness. and if that comes to you as old raging made or you know, fast package, the question is, um, you know what the real humans do with that? because i know, for example, from psychologist managers, i called just extremely concerned about the use of, let's say, pornography right now. not because of any uh, like moral issues, but because humans lost the ability to communicate with other humans because they don't like suffering. they don't like frustration,

they look for easy ways for themselves, but you know that, that seems like a very direct way to again, to humanizing. yeah, that's true. i'm the more you under my products, like you pointed out the japanese they are doing it, but the more you angel more pride this to was it. oh it's our behavior like the bought it. all right, there are, there are used cases where uh, i think i recently, so i be a preschool, a kindergarten teacher saying usually the baby. so comes to the board. call her mom the teacher because. ringback happens right, there's a young kid right? oh, i accidentally, but now they're, they all going her. alexa, in human, that site here we always have these sort of conflict between homeostasis and these try for novelty. and we have a bias for homeless spaces, but the live sort of pushes us so often in very uncomfortable ways to a to was normal to i wonder if that something like that could be configured into the a i, algorithms. and again, is that safe?

because you will have to, you know, receive some level of control for that. so i think this are, you know, a d, right the what we need our brand new is this document, or i think it's being already being done through social media and, or right. the system has all manner pollution. that's happening now with a i think we don't know what will be the next stage in the i right. that's the that's the reason why i don't give you great times the by the time the independence normalization things without change, right. because of the only thing we are portable of these predicting our own future . so we, we don't know what will happen, right? the cold is, programs will change, or even thought about how these companies, you know, whether it's met or microsoft or google, or whoever wants to use it, right. of course they, they already using who's going to go to them, you know, take dog. i'm starting, i'm already using it right to do that sense of novelty. now you pointed out a very important point to work on. real estate is right vs. so that's

a really long time using but be wanting to know that the, uh, how do i as a status, go that somebody be humans, preferably and that's largely helping. so you just recently, right? we had a small, small doors that do a little bit little bit little bit conveniences know when this genie is out of the border. people are starting to i keep getting b and i didn't like you mentioned. and you know, this is always broken as like, things will change, but everyone less do believe that things are going to be the same going for you also mentioned in your reading something very interesting. and this is sort of, uh, a i being wise because of the historical bias because it fits on big data. and obviously, if in our any big data is a reflection of our current state of affairs with the intrinsic historical discrimination or privilege. is there a base point of time i at least are there any ways all accounting for that? yeah, so a bias has been a model for a long time. man, advisor b, b as you go forward as well. so there's nothing, it's pretty much done by this,

this uh, academy shift. but how does uh, contact i, i'm not sure i'm mispronouncing her name, right. she used to judge you be the do how that going was a i have a conversation about adult on the nose, but it already and the funding that dr. nessa, he and the nurse as i see now she makes it up again. the female is another doctor, is always a me, the nurse is always the theme is a b scandal. so show us the model or more over on a bus option i've already there. now the problem be addressing bias is that technology or technologist tend to address it good by adding more technology, right? they believe that this technology, so it does solution as i'm a pro. so i do have a problem with technology, okay? you will fix by adding more technology and a more of the technology you are, the better it will get. but that's a for, it's not that the problem we have is that the dental ignore my disability approach a hearing or speak. uh, it makes me wonder what is actually

a known by state. is it just something that is scientifically proven and measured? and if that's the case, then that the real exclude, they're very large portion of human existence. i think i'll tell you what we also have a good question is, is it really because new what, what these are known by us do so far that i can say, i began to say it just they, i but even the definition of just done just as it is always available, but i wonder what i can say i want to diag won't discriminate. people based on uh, certain elements like gender, ethnicity, or race color language. that's a big woodstock right. do do how. right? but so, so imagine you're, i'm a government, i'm a person of color and i'm going for a, i mean, i'm an investor, i'm going, i'm going for a bank, do something to loan application. now if it is, i don't know if it is this committed to watch me. that's a case of a bias or we'll see. and this is called the bottle on occasion, out toward the us this, the system used right?

well, it was giving a lower risk or for white man who out a who, who are on a surfboard condition, or it can be different also also sort why people, you know, the young black good by giving a higher score even though there are also has more about this of my on or something like that, right? so these, this is a problem is, is it the, is it is something that is convent upon out of the humans to do it within our own soul rather than trying to out sources to some technological term. because on some level, it's very convenient. but at the same time, i mean, what makes humanity a unique is our log nature. i mean, we all have very unique filters on to this reality. and this is ultimately, you know, the, the beauty of, uh, the spacious. so the, the more we tried to create the good by the technological means the, the more just stop in to be frank with your phones. and that's why i, that's why i believe, you know, i am or i or this is are, and what do we need more ideas? we know more day was bus 50, right?

what is right, done wrong. who's supposed to decide those things? when you have more posts, but the more people who are more, for example, there's this report that say that and i'm going to get house or create. and at that point, every 6 seconds, i'm based on that. many of the stores are on the bills, right? homework numbers, how many of this? now there is another 5 that will say that congress, like most on the, which i was only 6 percent of the country. i think the only thing is 30. how, what is there a presentation when you're building to is know, you better get me to it's not limited to us. it's the but i think you're finding the 2nd largest user off that you'd be doing is use their probably the would have your building towards that to use everywhere. and your best buy has more of the people sitting and dividing. how really, how well, like you pointed out, all these different ideas are in a different way of looking at the, what the different kinds of will be addressed or incorporate or. so that's why i think you said you need that. i have, i only have less than

a minute for that question, but it's the most interesting question for, for me, because ultimately, you know, human intelligence is all just intelligence. it's not only about the brain is not only about the body, it's about the soul. and it's about the rational about the feelings and ultimate, that it's about a connection with the divine. do you think technology can ever be in? so i got some 1000000000 dollar rest in the house. 30 seconds to answer. i don't think, i don't think it's a good idea to see technology as a replacement for over spirituality or our spiritual belief, stride those, those are a baby on done technology that doesn't do well. and that may be the argument against the entrepreneur filing this technology too. much because there is a certain uniqueness and such and dignity plugged dignity in being human. and perhaps the vicious intelligently and consciously tried to preserve that true. i think i'm not of out of under more wisely. but everyone sees an easy way of getting

more people to adopt this technology. by under more pricing, it is easier, so it's about the i don't, but it's also easier to get it misused anyway. is it in a fascinating conversation? thank you very much for that mister ellis, york's on our does. and thank you for watching hopes to see her again on was a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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instead of just stick with a lift or flip that came over to them, i need diesels says that you train school. so that's the only for each of them or not somebody's rules on potable reuse, nestle take a picture of, i'll go with the blue plate, the straight face of the late hi everybody. so i am good and lean though again, and i've come you it in. so it's a large glade, but with the supplies scrub it was found this gulf of them big. so in the mid 20th century and a small bob and english don't do of can yonah is discovered and always got it. as it turned out,

it belong to one of the see boys which are banned against the british and the 19th century. the even managed to find out his fate. the boy's name was automate, and he was executed off to this oppression of the rebellion. and his head was brought back to britain by british officer. this was a common practice among the english at the day of the woods indians who opened the of what was the next door. all right guys, i think we might have found it. i think we might have just found as good as the blue building. you see that he used to be the last type of where it's listed by he's got a list about when i brought in the topic of the item, big guy that was found in, in uh, in the, in the above. she was a van of it. i have a boat with me use uh who is now the one of the uh, the base. uh and. yeah. so the, you know about the history of this stuff in. yes,

we uh my husbands mine both the uh, the bill thing of troops with the 9 is the guy. um, once we lived in, we were told at some point, but somebody mentioned to us that the driver had a history then apart from them use makes. and that because of the name somebody pads back into the way, way back in history and the uh, the days that the pub, hutch uh, bruce presented the landlord ways. uh. the scarlet oven bag, who was the of involved in the indian rear to an 8. and uh, was cool and published by being fired from a kind of the ad fullest. she was very hesitant to give an interview. and the reason that she told me was that his business day is going is the past. it's dead. but it happened. and it's, it's, it happened, nobody can change it. so why discuss about that? why talk about that? i think there's a lot of a media in,

in the didn't go to it about of the colonial bonds. they have the was a continuous stream of an armstrong, a violent and a very bloody arms for that as well. right from what was known as the 1st uprising in 18. 57. the 1946 when we had a naval and then on the new to me. so throughout this entire screen there were lots of people who would know who would that ever use these?

and then if we use the movement in india, the this month by our might be, it might be best buy's been done on the back of the the, as you can see, it's quite to see a lot of people come here. when i went to the british museums in the museum, i didn't see people were really there to learn anything. there was just data, in my opinion, do um, as students do just just see in the different sections of the countries,

what kind of artifacts are made because they have different styles. i don't see a point of the artifacts that belong to us became dead. and in, in london a bit in as an excuse for 4 people in history. oh, i think we are inside of the most current dilution octave act, in my opinion, in the british museum, which is the sword. and the rings and perfume of the was on. is it? is it reminders of the colonialism that a good deal to you? if you're to read these descriptions, you will find that they have very explicit needed in that disorder. in the building was actually the control is that body after he was candid ancestors protected these objects within a block, they lost their lives for it. you know, the, they've been bringing to i'm giving the respect to these objects. first,

entities, the least we can do is convince other nations to give these off to expect to us. at the time of my grandparents test, they had said, well, now the search for this or it is, is your duty. i've been looking for the source for quite some time and it was in this, in october of 2018 was a time when the end is believe the ancestors come back to visit for a 2 week period. i saw that there was an announcement for an auction, and it was the option of general wishes never novels. but in the story was a piece of information saying that in fact, she had kept this particular sort it passed on in the family. and one of his

defendants in 1965 had donation to, to the right opportunity institution. the i contacted around much injury is a do have the source. and they took about 3 months and they finally confirm that they, they have it and they were able to locations. and it was in a, in a case that hadn't been opened. it seems for a very long time. and uh, anyway, they confirmed that they had it, they sent me some, some photographs the so what is important for my family and this sort. there is a concept in hinduism called pittsburgh. gosh,

this is the idea that your ancestors may have done something bad for something bad may have been done to them. but you as descendants carry the comma of those events in those acts. and so there is a disturbance that enters into the family. in other words, it's like a collective traumatic consequence of events. and in order to put those things to rest, if you need to either perform certain ceremonies or in this case, the return of the sword is really about putting to rest the effects of history. so then they'll be individuals in my family who to have risen to a certain success. and then it just dissipates. one can see this repeating pattern of individuals arise and then for rise and then for rise in the following stream, the quickly. and so this is a very typical comment, consequence called picture josh, uh,

which in which basically the ancestors are trying to get your attention to fix the