engage with grandma's content and you're going to engage with your best friends content. all of that is keeping you on. and then what you're getting is like the nike add for the new tv, or like the nike add for the new checks that you want to buy or the netflix ad for the new tv show that you want to watch on. keeping your attention means more money for the so for media companies account are you bring up the idea of all the money which is involved in social media platforms, which actually makes me think of influencers. now there's an across the board and all of the social media platforms and is the key element of this battle is the influencers and the money that they're getting are in slow. it's just taking a big chunk of the marketing by just the traditional budgets of those traditional media is that's a good question. i mean, i think that influence there's slay a different role than traditional media. they are content creators for a new digital age, and they play a highly important role. and going back to your 1st question,

what makes social media platforms successful? so if you think about tape task, early era, and i'm sure they're doing this to some some extent or another band. countries in which they 1st started coming in. they started spending a lot of money on bringing influencers onto the platform, cultivating you influencers and giving money to people so they can spend their time generating content on the platform. and the one reason for that is, and if you have good content, you're going to have like, if you build it, they will come right. if you have good content, people will come onto the platform. um, but that also gives influencers a upsides roland. these platforms, in terms of, you know, they construct their own advertising deals with, you know, major companies in charge, you know, anywhere from thousands of dollars to millions of dollars for like, you know, for, for displaying, you know, and for typing up some company's products on their platform,

it also makes them very susceptible to, you know, government regulations when they do come in and, you know, question mark of how does this create or economy then respond to respond to government regulations threatening their livelihood? is a very interesting question. is there are social media platform that is more attractive to influencers and what makes influencers actually decide to go on one platform or do they all now just do multi platforms. and i think most influence there's right now are multi platform and it's easy for them, right? because if you see what tick tock did they centrally tucked like the early off or of binds the short from form videos and made them popular again. and now every company from a youtube to facebook, instagram, which is owned by meta, is doing them. so it's not, it's not, it's not that difficult to say, i'm going to put some content up on pick talk, and then repeat that content on youtube, instagram, facebook and monetize it,

and all of those major major media platforms. well, i think all this brings us to the pandemic and the rise of tick tock. it was actually a hero because it kept people at home and still engaged, interacting, and active. i feel like everybody used to be cheering for it and now they're cheering for as demise. so what. ringback you feel like happen to change the tide? yeah, i mean, i think that's a very interesting question and i think part of it has to do with where to, from. if you look at the major media, social media platforms that arose during the early odds, they're all american social media companies, right? um that tick tock. even if they're new offices are preferred, like by chance. are based in, um, you know, single 4 or, you know, moving to ireland. they're still a chinese company. and i think that gives

a lot of legislators for boss. because whether it's facebook, instagram, or kick talk, we by downloading these apps and using them, or giving them a lot of data on who we are, what we do, where we are, and all of that data can be used and manipulated. we seen that happen before. we're and there's a potential for that to happen with a social media platform like tick tock. the fact that you know, they're sharing data into chinese data centers raises the major question. and i think this is a legit question that that data can then be used by the chinese government. and so you see a bi partisan support for a cautious approach to a company like take talk. thank you to kendra palmer and it seems like

a great time take a break because when we return, we're going to look into why people are only concerned as certain government have access to their data, rather than all of the get the,

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it's the welcome back. we are looking at the various condom receipts, running a tick tock with our guest tech feature editor for business insider to kendra palmer decatur. there's a multiple advertise, i want to go with your answer on this. so 1st, from a user perspective, nothing is free users get on social media platforms and then shocked their

information or activity have advertisements garnered for what their posts are, what their interest might actually be. nothing is ever free. one has to give something should have people have expected their data to be used from all the platforms including take talk. yeah, of course. i mean, i think this is the implicit understanding of a social media platform is by engaging in it. we are not their customers, we are their product. everything that we do on it has been, be sold to advertisers and there's, you know, positives and negatives that are associated with that. that's not unique to take, talk that across the board. so what can any government and i want to say this includes the chinese government do with the information they gained, which out of tick tock shows honestly for me, i'm a bad dance or a horrible cook. and then even worse, giving tips on how to clean, why should all of this be alarming to the traditional consumer to yeah, i mean, i think it's different data, right? like the other sort of and you know, i,

i think that right now the question of how this is happening is, um, still a question mark. we've seen that play out in other parts of the world. so we have a reasonable understanding of this. but, you know, the big question is, can these top ones be used to manipulate us in certain ways with misinformation, this information? what not? and those things, you know, they may not care about how your, you know, your cleaning tips and all those things. but they might care about your location where your base, they might care about the content that you're engaging with to see has a sceptical you are to certain points of view. but those are the questions that i think. companies have about tick tock, but again, i want to stress that those questions are just as legitimate for facebook and instagram, the degree to which facebook and instagram handle that. those questions are also, you know, different and require scrutiny. but it is

a question that is social media at large. why is it just lately? those questions are just being focus on tick tock. if every social media platform is collecting the same data. why are we now seeing congressional hearings on tick tock? uh, yeah, i mean, i think its, uh, its progression, right, like there's and we had these hearings around facebook and cambridge analytic a around, you know, after 2016, we had questions about the way that facebook and, and, you know, the company was known as facebook back then microsoft, etc. we're sharing data with the u. s. government after the edward snowden leaks in 2013. this is just the hot new thing right now, and there is new questions that are rising. and there's also that sort of element of the fact that it is a for, and the company. um, no longer can we be sort of assured that, you know, it's an american company,

therefore they will have the best interests because you know, we can have, let's have a healthy dose and skeptical skepticism saying that, but like it, the, the argument might go, an american company might have a, a interest in protecting, you know, american users. question mark on how time these companies may use american use, or data or chinese companies may use indian user data is where another can cost man occurred. but here's the funny thing to kendrick, don't you find it curious for the past few years here in america, there's been this outcry in congressional hearings on social media platforms like facebook, youtube, but for censoring and making sure traffic was limited on certain political post. now it seems those same politicians are the loudest advocates for the banning of tick tock here in the united states. why is this? yeah, i mean, i think that's an interesting question. um, i think that, you know, we have to sort of pierce through the political rhetoric over here and just realize

that these bands, i mean there might be some sort of they, there is that international all meant to at of shit. like, you know, we can all come together to be like, what do we want the chinese government to have our data that it's a, it's more of a unifying elements than that sort of the, of that the, the, the sort of, partisan looks at facebook and youtube and those in those social media companies. but you know, the question of why is that? i think it's a talk is a easy target in some ways for that kind of bi partisan you know, anger if you want to call it that your skepticism may, it may be a better word. you know, the social media giant meta lobbying efforts in washington dc in 2022. they actually spent over $20000000.00 on lobbying, and in $23.00 so far, they're projecting at $459000000000.00 spent on lobbying the us congress. and this

all the current open secrets, i mean they are the 2nd largest group behind the big farm. and now what does this mean? yeah, i mean, i think that like, business is deeply cynical. so you align yourself where you can and you let your competitor if there's be taken out, i don't think we should all be surprised by that. um, on the question of lobbying, i think this is, this is a really important question that you've raised the amounts of money that tech is spending in our political systems for influence is just going up and up and up. and that will raise really important questions about how we regulate technology companies. what's are there are american companies or chinese companies the end that doesn't matter because they're going to be consequences for the average user no matter what they may be different styles of consequences. but there are going to be consequences, and that is something that every journalist, every watch, job should be watching is where is that money going to and how are the politicians responding? let's talk about journalist ec integrity. are you

a little bit concerned? considering more journalists are actually having to rely on social media platforms all to get their work out about honesty. and we're in reporting on these same platforms. yeah, that's an interesting question. i mean, this is a sort of catch 22. that's been an issue for an industry for a while. um, but i think there is something to be said for, you know, there have been you know, over the last 10 years news companies that are rose to cater for the so for media age, buzzfeed devices like those companies are now sort of shuddering and going to the wayside and you know, if you look at media strategies now i think we're very aware of what it means to have platforms come to us native. we find this through search or find us through the app on uses of the world. there will always be a tech intermediary of some sort because we all use tech in one way or another. but

i don't think that that legitimately impacts the rigor of investigative journalism that you see targeting tech companies from outlets like the mark up from, you know, outlets like ourselves. so i think that's the distribution question. that's a big question and it's an ex essential question. but i think we're still doing our jobs and i would hope we still continue to do our jobs. recently the tech talk seo was brought in front of congress and various influencers were actually made available at the request of tick tock to talk about why they believe to talk was being targeted. as repeated answer was, it was one of the only true a free speech platforms currently talk says it doesn't try to edit or point people at a certain direction as other platforms have been accused of doing in the past. so what is the best platform for free speech right now with the least amount of involvement

by the company or the organization that owns that? well, 1st of all, none of these companies have total free speech and i've reported on tech talks content, moderation operation before i can tell you that there are things that they will take down because they have to take down because advertisers would not want, you know, a free for all on their platforms. so i think that is a bit of a misnomer. i think that that raises a really interesting question. as somebody can say that, and the truth of the matter is their content model. duration strategies are completely opaque to the general public. we don't know that unless we're talking to their sort of rank and file and are investigating their working conditions to, and then gleaning information about how they're moderating content as well. so whether tick tock is a true free speech platform. i think that's a little bit to be asked, but i don't think any of the major popcorn is there to free speech because that would be into this as to their business models. you know, i'm sure you heard,

but they see of tick tock proposed as changes to his policies. these include none of the data actually going back to china. the seo also stated they had hired an american company, which happens to be one of the largest from donors to the republican party, to hold all of their data state side. will the amends offered by the tick tock, c, o 2, congress actually restore faith and trust in tick tock. the hey, i think it depends on who you ask about faith and for us. right? because if you're looking at tech talks, user base, i think i do trust tech talk there. so on it these congressional hearings on some level. and i do want to stress it. um, it feels like the concerns of the geriatric population in some way. right. i think that's the sort of digital native population that is using tech talk is very cognizant that the questions that you know, people are asking about tick tock are true for all of the social media platforms they engage with. and there's as sort of learned helplessness to it, to

a certain extent. now the question about the sensitive data with the chinese government and things, i don't know what the like, you know, american population at large thinks of that i, i'm curious to see if your research pull on where, where they stand with it. but i think that because that idea, so nebulous right now it, you might as well replace chinese government with any government and it would have the same residence, you know, which is to say it is a fear may be, but it is as in big us a fear as any other government having access to your data and consumers in america and even in the, in you are complaining about tape talk, having ties to china. yeah, most of the phones and used also were built in china. technology like the microscopes were built in china, is it peculiar? they have no objection to their phone being made in china, but an app? and yeah, it really depends, right? like i think that's,

i don't know if we have reporting to suggest that there are like major hardware concerns. that like the fox on factories are, you know, going a, if putting in various malware into their computers or anything like that. um, you know, as i'd be curious let's, uh, let's see how the world plays out. i think that like the software concern is a little more legitimate because the way that you know, these apps can extract data in there, kind of getting your consent to do it. it's just that, how do you use that data as a question? um, but yeah, i think i that to answer your question, i think the software concern is i have more concerning the hardware concern. oh, thank you so much. the kendra palmer tech feature editor for business and side or well, they've been you for a 6 if you with the news you can use, i'm scanning now here's thanks for watching the

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everybody can see and hey, the international reaction and every other which is capable of making the wrong judgment about it. what sort of support says rush i received from its allies? let me get you familiar with it and keep it in to president. putin received numerous phone calls from his colleagues who expressed solidarity support and confidence in the fact that the situation would be under control unconstitutional, that would be restored, and that was what happens moody. i had several phone conversations initiated by my phone call that you've seen so many of them also have expressed some of diversity and confirm that confidence that we wouldn't let anyone undermine that countries. unity all the success of the special minutes to be operation. they oscar these goals to remain confidential. so we respect that, sir, and we are not making their information public. so get victorious. how would you assess the role of minutes in resolving the situation? that's why i'm giving you the screen. we've voice our assessments, have better ruth is roll a long time ago, including to present nutrition coming person school to meet you. pass golf is

repeated more than once in all detail loose because the battle resume president had a phone call with president putin. saturday morning. when he said he would try to mediate a peaceful solution of the situation and avoid a blood boss, which would have an evidence of really happened if the rebel forces had continued. that revolves towards most got here. this proposal was welcomed by president polluted and it tears and you know the result as it was announced by the criminal in yesterday. but it loves it and you say what articles of the us upon to delay sanctions on the wagner group for quotes, fearing that they would be seen to side with parents. and what does it change of approach sites you especially considering that they were very loud coals to coal. wagner, a terrorist organization. you do most of them me on the but who are the so i don't think for us as change its approach or the new is just another proof that the us is approach as long as the depends on what it wants to get from a particular the external plan to a particular time, both in connection to the global arena and the individual countries. the u. s. has

more than once demonstrates this bias in the ukraine crisis. and it's also a political policy auditing. in fact, is waging a proxy what we're using ukrainians to fight with russia. but do you remember that just a few years ago? i think it was just before the main sca cool to assign a new organization such as the as a fatality and what designated as terrorist by the us congress could even put it down in black. why is it the support? ukraine is guessing from the americans and cannot go to any of these organizations possible. this has been forgotten or you, i'm the as or fatality must be criminalized long ago. really, by the way, following in the footsteps of his big brother, which of japan decided to remove the as a fatality him from its list of extreme mr. organizations around 2 months ago if i'm not mistaken. so you see that everything is regulated by the rules of the west itself, wants to follow the overall the reason living binds amongst all other countries to live by as well. that these rules have nothing to do with international law or the law of any individual nation. including western ones. do you think that this

unsuccessful mutiny by wagner could have a negative impacts on versus relations with as partners? so shooting us without partners and friends? no, i don't think so, just as all the others here, frankly, i don't really care. and so i figured it was a relationship with the collective west of being destroyed by the connective west itself because of that relationship is going and use this one case more. 0, one case less makes no difference if you ask me what the president has said. it's on many occasions that when and if they finally come to their senses and reach out this way or another, with some sensible proposals and how to restore our relations. we'll see what these proposals are actually taking into account the role each of the states play the installing a hybrid warning and thrush out of it. is there any evidence that maybe ukrainian or even some foreign entities were involved in this one successful new to me? yeah, what i'm going to have them stick up. my ministry does not collect any evidence about the legal activities of the country. shoddy has such agency and i can assure

you that they are on it. and so there was some american outlets that did publish articles saying that lee dissolve african countries in particular, the central african republic with beginning to panic, that maybe the private army, wagner would cease its operations in, in africa. i'm, what does it say about the role of russia enough because of stabilizing falls? how likely do you think it is? the varnette would cease, is activities the find. you could go through this with you. as for the reports by some american outlets about the panic and the central african republic and the rest of africa, so young, i'd say you'd need to keep in mind the interest these out is a serving book on how little they care about reporting finalist in comparison to that desire to present policy is going to dictate the boat to connect to west ideology and atkins. i already talked about the role russian is playing on the african continent, the central african republic. would you just like molly has officially requested

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