to really era, and i'm sure they're doing this to some extent or another band. countries in which they 1st started coming in. they started spending a lot of money on bringing influencers onto the platform, cultivating you influencers and giving money to people so they can spend their time generating content on the platform. and the one reason for that is if you have good content, you're going to have like, if you build it, they will come right. if you have good content, people will come on to the platform. but, but that also gives influenza. there's a upside role in these platforms in terms of, you know, they construct their own advertising deals with that, you know, major companies in charge, you know, anywhere from thousands of dollars to millions of dollars for like, you know, for, for displaying, you know, and for typing up some companies product on their platform. it also makes them very susceptible to, you know, government regulations when they do come in and you know,

the question mark of how does this create or economy then respond to and respond to government regulations, threatening their livelihood? is a very interesting question. is there a social media platform that is more attractive to influencers and what makes influencers actually decided to go on one platform or do they all now just do multi platforms. and i think most influence there's right now are multi platform and it's easy for them, right? because if you see what tick tock did, they centrally tucked like the early off around the vines, the short for form videos and made them popular again. and now every company from a youtube to facebook, instagram, which is owned by meta, is doing them. so it's not, it's not, it's not that difficult to say, i'm going to put some content up on tick tock and then repeat that content on youtube, instagram, facebook and monetize it. and all of those may major media platforms. well,

i think all this brings us to the pandemic and the rise of tech talk. it was actually a hero because it kept people at home and still engaged, interacting, and active. i feel like everybody used to be cheering for it and now they're cheering for as demise. so what do you feel like happen to change the tide? yeah, i mean, i think that's a very interesting question and i think part of it has to do with where to talk to them. if you look at the major media social media platforms that arose during the early ons, they're all american social media companies. right. um that tick tock, even if they're new offices are preferred by, by cancer based in, you know, single 4 or, you know, they're moving to ireland. they're still a chinese company. and i think that gives a lot of legislators for posts because whether it's facebook, instagram,

or tape talk, we by downloading these apps and using them, or giving them a lot of data on who we are, what we do, where we are, and all that data can be used and manipulated. we seen that happen before we're and there's a potential for that to happen with a social media platform like tick tock. the fact that you know, they're sharing data into chinese data center is raises the major question. i think this is a legit question that that data can then be used by the chinese government and so you see a bi partisan support for a cautious approach to a company like to talk. thank you to kendra palmer and it seems like a great time take a break because when we return, we're going to look into why people are only concerned as certain government have

access to their data, rather than all of the the the a hi,

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a user perspective, nothing is free users get on social media platforms and then shocked their information or activity have advertisements garnered for what their posts are, what their interest might actually be. nothing is ever free. one has to give something, shouldn't people have expected their data to be used from all the platforms including take talk? yeah, of course. i mean, i think this is the implicit understanding of a social media platform is by engaging in it. we are not their customers. we are their product, everything that we do on it has been, be sold to advertisers and there's, you know, positives and negatives that are associated with that. that's not unique to take, talk that across the board. so what can any government? and i want to say this includes the chinese government do with the information they gained, which out of tick tock shows honestly for me, i'm a bad dance or a horrible cook. and then even worse, giving tips on how to clean, why should all of this be alarming to the traditional consumer to yeah, i mean,

i think it's different data, right? like the other sort of and you know, i think that right now the question of how this is happening is, um, still a question mark. we've seen that play out in other parts of the world. so we have a reasonable understanding of this. but, you know, the big question is, can these platforms be used to manipulate us in certain ways with misinformation, this information? what not? and those things, you know, they may not care about how your, you know, your cleaning tips and all those things. but they might care about your location where your base, they might care about the content that you're, you're engaging with to see how some sceptical you are to certain points of view. um, those are the questions that i think companies have about tip top. but again, i want to stress that those questions are just as legitimate for facebook and instagram, the degree to which facebook and instagram handle that. those questions are also,

you know, different and require scrutiny. but it is a question that is social media at large. why is it just lately those questions are just being focus on tick tock. if every social media platform is collecting the same data. why are we now seeing congressional hearings on tick tock? uh, yeah, i mean, i think its, uh, its progression, right? like there's and we had these hearings around facebook and cambridge analytic a around, you know, after 2016, we had questions about the way that facebook and, and, you know, the company was known as facebook, back then microsoft, etc. we're sharing data with the u. s. government after the edward snowden leaks in 2013, this is just the hot new thing right now, and there is new questions that are rising. and there's also that i need to sort of element of the fact that it is a for, and kind of in a,

i'm no longer can we be sort of assured that, you know, it's an american company. therefore, they will have the best interests because you know, we can have, let's have a healthy dose and skeptical skepticism saying that, but like it, the, the argument might go, an american company might have a, a interest in protecting, you know, american users. question mark on how time these companies may use american use or data or chinese companies may use indian user data is where another can cost man occurred. but here's the funny thing to kendrick, don't you find it curious for the past few years here in america, there's been this outcry in congressional hearings on social media platforms like facebook, youtube, but for censoring and making sure traffic was limited on certain political post. now it seems those same politicians are the loudest advocates for the banning of tick tock here in the united states. why is this? yeah, i mean, i think that's an interesting question. um, i think that, you know,

we have to sort of pierce through the political rhetoric over here and just realize that these bands, i mean there might be some sort of they, there is that international. i'm going to add of shit like, you know, we can all come together to be like, what do we want the chinese government to have our data that it's a, it's more of a unifying elements than that sort of the of that the, the, the sort of partisan looks at facebook and youtube and those in those social media companies. but, you know, the question of why is that? i think it's a 10 talk is a easy target in some ways for that kind of bi partisan. you know, anger if you want to call it batch or skepticism, may it may be a better word. you know, the social media giant meta lobbying efforts in washington dc in 2022. they actually spent over $20000000.00 on lobbying and in $23.00. so far,

they're projecting at $459000000000.00 spent on lobbying the us congress. and this all the current open secrets. i mean, they are the 2nd largest group behind the big farm. and now what does this mean? yeah, i mean i think that like, business is deeply cynical, so you align yourself where you can and you let your competitor if there's be taken out, i don't think we should all be surprised by that. um, on the question of lobbying, i think this is, this is a really important question that you've raised the amounts of money that tech is spending in our political systems for influence is just going up and up and up. and that will raise really important questions for how we regulate technology companies . what's are there are american companies or chinese companies the end that doesn't matter because they're going to be consequences for the average user no matter what they may be different styles of consequences. but there are going to be consequences, and that is something that every journalist, every watch,

stop should be watching is where is that money going to and how are the politicians responding? let's talk about journalist integrity. are you a little bit concerned? considering more journalists are actually having to rely on social media platforms all to get their work out about honesty. and we're in reporting on these same platforms. yeah, that's an interesting question. i mean, this is a sort of catch 22. that's been an, an issue for an industry for a while. but i think there is something to be said for, you know, there are, have been, you know, over the last 10 years. that's news companies that are rose to cater for the. so for media age, buzzfeed, devices like those companies are now sort of shuddering and going to the wayside. and you know, if you look at media strategies now i think we're very aware of what it means to have platforms come to us and 8. if we find this through search or find us through

the app on use as of the world, there will always be a tech intermediary of some sort because we all use tech in one way or another. but i don't think that that legitimately impacts the rigor of investigative journalism that you see targeting tech companies from out looks like the mark up from, you know, outlets like ourselves. i think that the distribution question is a big question and it's an ex, essential question. but i think we're still doing our jobs and i would hope we still continue to do our jobs. recently the talk seo was brought in from congress and various influencers were actually made available at the request of tech talk to talk about why they believe to talk was being targeted. as a repeated answer was, it was one of the only true free speech platforms currently talk says it doesn't try to edit or point people at a certain direction as other platforms have been accused of doing in the past. so

what is the best platform for free speech right now with the least amount of involvement by the company or the organization that owns them? well, 1st of all, none of these companies have total free speech and i've reported on take tax content, moderation operation before i can tell you that there are things that they will take down because they have to take down because advertisers would not want, you know, a free for all on their platforms. so i think that is a bit of a misnomer. i think that that raises a really interesting question. a company can say that and the truth of the matter is their content model. duration strategies are completely opaque to the general public. we don't know that unless we're talking to their sort of rank and file and are investigating their working conditions to, and then gleaning information about how they're moderating content as well. so whether tick tock is a true free speech platform. i think that's a little bit to be asked, but i don't think any of the major popcorn is there to free speech because that

would be into this as to their business models. you know, i'm sure you heard, but they see of tick tock proposed as changes to his policies. these include none of the data actually going back to china. the seo also stated they had hired american company, which happens to be one of the largest from donors to the republican party, to hold all of their data state side. will the amends offered by the tick tock, c, o 2, congress actually restore faith and trust in tick tock. the hey, i think it depends on who you ask about faith and for us. right? because if you're looking at tech talks, user base, i think i do trust tech talk there. so on it these congressional hearings on some level. and i do want to stress it. um, it feels like the concerns of the geriatric population in some way. right. i think that's the sort of digital native population that is using tech talk is very cognizant that the questions that you know,

people are asking about tick tock are true for all of the social media platforms they engage with. and there's as sort of learned helplessness to it, to a certain extent. now the question about the sensitive data with the chinese government and things, i don't know what the like, you know, american population at large thinks of that i, i'm curious to see if your research pull on where, where they stand with it. but i think that because that idea, so nebulous right now it, you might as well replace chinese government with any government and it would have the same residence, you know, which is to say it is a fear may be, but it is as in big us a fear as any other government having access to your data and consumers in america and even in the end, you are complaining about tape talk, having ties to china. yeah, most of the phones and used also were built in china. technology like the microscopes were built in china, is it securely or they have no objection to their phone being made in china,

but an app? and yeah, it really depends, right? like i think that's, i don't know if we have reporting to suggest that there are like major hardware concerns that like the fox on factories are, you know, going a, if putting in various malware into their c p use or anything like that. um, you know, and i'd be curious let's, uh, let's see how the world plays out. i think that like the software concern is a little more legitimate because the way that, you know, these apps can extract data in there, kind of getting your consent to do it. it's just that. how do you use that data is a question um but yeah, i think i that to answer your question, i think the software concern is it has more concerning the hardware concern. oh, thank you so much. the kendra palmer tech feature editor for business and side, or to. well,

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the you have defended the constitution as well as the lives of security and freedom of our fellow compatriots. you have essentially saved our country from a civil war. the mutineers saw that the russian people were not on their side areas . right. the other russian president vladimir putin. fine, king russians service men who can count that. the wagner mutiny saying that loyal service helped save the freedoms of the country. citizens and prevented aids loving simple it's fine us when it's a pulls on black obama over his criticism of minority issues in india, reminding the former us president of goodwill, the trail of destruction that he left in parts of the middle east during his time. and i'll be honest to the general around 6 countries with predominantly muslim

population, were bombed for this very reason, how anyone will listen to them or trust them when countries making political decisions such as these bring allegations against india. also in the program, the us times to stop funding the new when investigation was into is really crimes against palestinians. as washington expressed, his support for his closest ally in the middle east, meanwhile, is riley to continue to expend in legal settlements the from india to the mid east, and washington to kia, have lots of big stories. and this ours program live from moscow. and ultimately, as much of the world is still talking about the wagner minute treat mutiny over the weekend of the russian president, vladimir putin has now addressed members of the country's armed forces at the kremlin, essentially fronting them for preventing that of

a civil. i should get it consistent. so let's throw it. you have defended the constitution as well as the lives, security and freedom of our fellow compatriots. you have essentially saved our country from a civil war for a future in a difficult situation. you punch your loyalty to the people of russia and your devotion to your military oath, showed responsibility for the motherland and its future. we did not have to remove any battle units from the combat zone. comrades of ours have fallen in the fights against the mutiny ears. the mutineers saw that the russian people were not on their side when it gets to you. the russian leader also commented on the government's relationship with the wagner group. he noted that the private miniature company has, in fact, been 40 financed by moscow. as for the wagner group, we always treated as fighters and commanders with great respect and just because of

the courage and heroism they had been showing you to our soldiers and officers of the russian army as well as volunteers worked in combat conditions with no less dedication and also showed her wisdom and self sacrifice at the same time, those who served and worked in the box or group were respected in our country. and i also want to note that the maintenance of the entire faulkner group was fully provided by the states. we fully financed this group from the defense ministry and the state budget, due from may 2022 to may. 2023. the state allocated 86262000000 roubles to wagner for monetary maintenance and incentive payments. from. meanwhile, the neighboring belarus, or the army has been put on full combat readiness. the country's president, alexander lucas franco, deliver that upgrade. then his 1st speech following the failed, wagner, moving to the head of state said the events in russia were of key concern as both nations share a common homeland. he also won't have

a threat post against his country by sourcing western powers somewhere. question, it took you up to the most dangerous thing. as i understood it was not the situation itself with how it might have developed with all the consequences to follow. that was the most dangerous thing. i also understood that a brutal decision was made. judging by the implication of put a speech to eliminate that, i suggested that, but it should take his time. let's talk to production and he's good monitors. i said the bell, russian president, alexander lucas angle made a speech at today's ceremony while conferring the rank of general the leaders of the nation's law enforcement agencies. in his speech, he spoke about his role in resolving the reason crisis in russia was looking for, noted, the threats of russia collapsing would also be a threat to bubble roofs, which would surely quote, parish under the rubble comparing what happens to the attempted coo and bell ruse,

3 years ago, a little different goes trust that quote, color revolutions don't happen without a reason. nevertheless, it was not without external influence. as the west poses a threat by actively expanding the nature block. the president spoke of constant provocations on the country's borders withdrawal and flying in corpses being dropped mines being planted. and the military installations being built particularly in ukraine in this regard. moscow in men's could find themselves in the same boat as, according to look into the west, would take advantage of the turmoil. or just a quick reminder of saturday is the events where of wagner forces to control over the russian southern come on, central and all stuff on don't itself typically clag pretty much as a claim that it's uh, some of its field comments are being targeted behind the front lines by russian armed forces, i must go dismissed those allegations as just information. so the evolving a group of bonds through 3 russian regions. it was marching towards moscow before

a southern stoppage happened officer and the agreement was struck between the russian president and the wagner. chief in coordination with bruton and the broker deal. so forces turn around and head back to the original bases. so as those events unfolded and wagner ended federal stuff, region articles appeared in western media, speculating whether or not this was the end of july to me and food in the us. senator lindsey graham, i chimed in and openly expressed a desire for the russian leaders down full. i mean, well, the republican presidential candidate nikki haley, a few was president joe biden, and the vice president of missing the challenges to use the crisis in russia for america's own game. this weekend's events show that the russian leadership is in a week or position than the ukrainian leadership is called presidents biden. and harris weren't asleep at the switch. we could be sending a real message not just to russia, but to the dictators in china and iran as well. well,

i really am i calling to discuss the using the with a pair of guston and what to do to actually strength and russian society at the end of the day. also, however, dash the few hoops among 2nd professional partners. they were hoping that the they, that a civil war would break out, which would be to their advantage. but of course the president booked in reactance in the very careful way. there was no blood shit. and actually uh, this is this uh, this incident leaves putting much more stronger than before, since he has the support of the russian people. and he has bought it took a blues. i said, now it's over. we've got over the west, it was a terrible crisis because a, you know, the country held together society held together all the key institutions held

together. and what not to use by any um, uh, oh, opportunistic ideas about the extra constitutional change. what do you think is the, the destiny of the vol, category pain in russia? now, i think that's the majority of woodside contracts with russian defense ministry to continue. so, work set as they have started, which is, which is the defense of uh, of russia. in this war aims are things that your grain is that just supported by the west? well, that's the interesting question i, i would've thought that the, the way i can improve what remains of it will now be taken over by the russian government. i don't think russia is just going to give this up. i think it's much too useful for them. so i think that just going to bring the are the remnants of this, the wagon, a fighting group under the control of the russian defense ministry. i would think

that is, this is too useful for us, or just to dissolve well, 24 hours that show russia, i mean what? so what was it, you know, is it a wakeup call? a bad omen? was the president of the roost that we to actually cite youth rusher and, well, why did the mutant beef fail and also a lot of questions and quite a lot of on. so that's what i'll get into the conversation online right now. for the meantime, here on this program, india is finance minister, his his house at the full my us president for rock obama for the destructive bombing city or that across the middle east. while he was in the oval office, it coming at school coming rather well, should we say in response to comment. so from obama who had taken a mate, india's internal affairs have to listen to this. both the us to the general key when i'm talking about foreign matters. i'm speaking with moderation on the topic of the us. we want to good friendship,

but there are room. 7 x about indian religions, tolerance from u. s. commission on international religious freedom. mr. for our president, obama says something about that. meanwhile, around 6 countries with predominantly muslim population, we're bomb to put this very reason, take serious yemen. saudi arabia iraq, was there no bombing the were like situation developed in several countries with more than $26000.00 bombs being dropped. how anyone listen to them or trust them when countries making political decisions such as these bring allegations against india. while adhering a obama is 8 years of the white house of us conducted us drawings on 7 different countries. it's easy to forget. i guess that includes, for example, just name a few iraq, syria hackers done. and based on america's own military reports since 911, the pentagon is carried out nearly as i was nearly get this 100000 strikes will open out to the former us president. if i had a conversation with.