a cnn was on location. my former colleague, michael holmes, was with bro costing life from crimea. he was surprised to say we were saying 3 generations of people voting. a grandparents parents that they're even built, that kids as well with the line of people going around the city blocks. and, and, you know, honestly, the west immediate didn't know what to say. frankly in a here we have 4 rock obama left offers over 6 years ago. now finally admitting the cry, millions was largely in favor of joining russia. john, how we get into this point. now, why is obama saying this now? do you think a little harder for show normal for asking the question, he hasn't done no. a lot of interviews, subject to the interviews on, on his for policy. so i think it was, you know, one of those moments where the question gets asked and you dig and you get an answer i, i don't think he was being quite a definitive in terms of how he saw the referendum in

crimea. but he, she absolutely was speaking to a different time as in 2008 with the georgia when george bush was in office and then crimea, and done boss with the brock obama in office where it was a different moment. you know, we use that term different moment in history, but it was different leaders in the european countries had different priorities that connectivity to the russian federation, particularly with energy, as well as, you know, with, with other imports and exports for substantial. and so, and your president obama for president obama did say, you know, in, in, in so many word ukraine just wasn't that important that as georgia wasn't that important in 2008? well, you okay. okay. fair enough, and i guess we can do that about though to the 2014,

my done coo and what i'm getting sidetracked to edge on. but i, you know, i just want to say quickly, you know, you did have victoria newton and joe mccain on might on squared hanging out what they called freedom cookies and you know, they had the microphone. it was, i stage set up. it was almost like a, a rock show with aerosmith or something, you know, sort of writing this, this, i guess this freedom movement, but i wanted to say to you quickly, john, because, you know, brock obama, he was a staunch support. hell of ukraine. but now you've got to have actually blaming him when he's come up with these pro crimea comments equal key of getting a little bit upset for him speaking his opinion, why do you think he is upset now? because as you say, and rightfully so, john, you said, you know, this was a different time, a different time when obama was an office. yeah. i, i think i would disagree that there, you know, rather upset that there apoplectic. you know, i think it's important to understand, you know, how present zalinski use this, this frame and we'll go from 2008 forward and she looks at

2008 with what is described evasion of upside here, upsetting costs here in georgia. and he says, look, president improvement did that. and you with the collective west, you didn't do anything. you sanctioned them a bit, but you didn't do anything. you knew he was likely to do more, but you didn't really care. you just wanted to get through it. then you get to 2014 and he's basically saying the same, we told you he was going to do this. he did this, you didn't do anything really to punish him more sanctions, which didn't mean much, he's still there. russian federation still operating. and so now we get to february 2022 and presenters. so lensky says, we told you this was going to happen. you didn't do anything. so from their perspective, from the keeps perspective, everything that's happened is

a result of decisions. that's the collective west nato. your opinion made, and therefore the bill to defend ukraine, to repair ukraine, to make ukraine better than it was all on us. and that's that, you know, that's the perspective they look at this a lot of course, a lot of push back from the west. but the ukraine had as many countries to it had a different value in the 2008 at a different value. 2014. as you pointed out to us, not 2014, was in a collective mess. and it was made in, in large measure by decisions by the united states, by nato, by the european union, in terms of what they were trying to do. these of the, the government then in ukraine. but where we are now would say, you know, it, i don't think president obama was rewriting history at all. but he was, you know,

sharing his perspective from being in the oval office and how they looked at it from ukrainian standpoint. of course, you know, they just look at all this and say, we told you you didn't listen and, and now you're basically, you know, telling everybody what we told you. well, i mean, is, i guess, i guess it's better late than never, i suppose. but it's nice to hear a stipend live coming out of obama. um yeah. okay. emily, you know. yeah. so i guess some, you know, obviously that but so yeah, they put you on, you know, i mean, you know, you go back to the minutes peace accords for example. and, and, you know, you've had people like the former french, the, the frontal, all. and you've had the full, my german, john, so i'm going to fill the form or your credit in present opinion or put a shank or they will come out and basically admitted that those years. and they also, they signed that means because it basically it just gave you kind a challenge to come up and get ready for war. and yeah, there was person who, who, who, apparently, his intentions were good and he sat back and waited for something positive to be done. what, you know, coming back to a band with statements on crimea. i mean, you know, i was live on at when the referendum was going on. i,

i sold the thousands of people lined around the city blocks who are lining up to vote. i saw cnn's coverage with the present who was what like, oh my god it it looks legit. and yet ever since then, crime has been seen as legitimate when it comes to russia and its relationship with cry. mia is never gonna, and john, do you think certain professional partners in the west, the ever going to go, you know, what is it belongs to, rush of the people chose to join russia. it just should be left alone. and admittedly, it is, russia is one of his what rushes biggest, the bikes the fleet, is it not? if you're coming to terms with reality, you know, your former 2nd or then secretary state mike pompei o he he won. so when he was talking about the goal on heights, so in serious goal on heights with this real annex thing. and he said, sometimes we have to recognize facts on the grounds. we rack the realities on the ground. and you, at some point, you know, that may be,

but until there is some political or military moments or series of moments where there's a collective belief that cry me a status is, is permanent. whether that means it's a permanent part of the russian federation, or it's a permanent part of ukraine. at some point there will be from those countries that are, that are funded for more and in that you and i've talked about that, you know, the same countries that are funding ukraine are also funding the russian federation . certainly respect. so as long as that continues, you know, people are going to have their positions, the government's going to maintain their positions, and you're always the, you're not going to have a collective agreement. and i just, i just really don't see that because of the way in which pry me is status

has changed with respect to, from the perspective of the russian federation and from respect to the government of kia. so the fact that there's a disagreement on that process makes it really difficult for a, for any of the parties to say, ok, you know, this is, this is the way it is. and or you look at georgia, a cat, a city in kazi, a us since 2008, you look at, you know, the goal, i'm heights and the you, when the rest of the world says that belongs to syria. you know, the trump administration said, well, you know, israel's there, you know, it's, there's an israel saying, ok, we're going to alex and you so, you know, i, i just don't believe that there's going to be generations before before. and what a great, because this has been for, for all the parties involved,

particularly ukraine in the russian federation, where they've lost people, people have died, families have been disrupted money, billions and billions of dollars that have been spent the generations and been disrupted young people's trajectories have been disrupted, so yeah, that's your, that's going to take an awful long time to for the wakes of all of that to, to several about. and it still, it, you know, until it does, you're going to have just a lot of anger, of you from russia to ukraine, ukraine, to russia. countries that are supporting so long. you know, it'd be wonderful that if there could be a, you know, a switch that, okay, here's the, here's, here's what it is. and everyone's going to be accepting of that. i think it makes it tough for the european union, particularly in united states to,

to accept the reality on the ground as opposed to continue to why the change it of course, the wild card here is if the government of ukraine, whatever whoever's in in and whoever is the president and, and then the parliament, if they were to say ok, you were recognizing this of the russian federation said well recognizing that it alleviates but you're still going to have that residual history as you have having been there during that referenda process. if today the, the russian federation. so okay, we're giving it back to ukraine. you would still have in your mind what your experience and removing that would be very, very challenge. i always enjoy speaking to a political analyst, a john and catholic, a, a bit of a diplomatic neutrality. all impartiality, i loved the find don's you do, john?

great. have you on the program will seems. thank you, sir. the united nations representative has a cold on america to answer for abuses inflicted on inmates at the guantanamo bay prison camp in cuba. after he says an apology and a long from a shutdown of the facility, unnecessary and to torture, was a betrayal of the rights of the victims of the 911 attacks. the us government must urgency, provide judicial resolution apology, and guarantees of non repetition. i still have serious concerns about the continued detention of now 13 men at still there and the persistent arbitrariness that provides their day to day existence. i observed that after 2 decades of custody, the suffering of those detained is profound. and it's ongoing. every single

detainee i met with lives with the unrelenting harms that follow from systematic practices of rendition, torture and arbitrary detention while a better known as a gift. mo, when located in cuba, the facility was established by the then president george w bush's administration. in 2002 wanted me to circle the war on terror that was really kicking into high gear. and there was so many reports at the time of abuse and torture at the time they did raise international alarms. i'm just the international was saying that a prison as a human rights are being disregarded at the sites. i mean a have a blessed a the

the r u n. a special weapon to his comments on the question of all the attention of i get my present as it does for a numerous us promises the folks that prison, the latest pledge coming from the by the administration. last february, the strongest assurances are made by the former us president for rock obama. you as a i have said repeatedly that i intend to close blond dynamo and i will follow

through on that when i was elected in 2008. i said we need to close once out of i continue to believe that we've got a close one time with them provide the process whereby guantanamo will be closed. no later than one year from now that's i've had this conversation further now with a full my us intelligence office at john q or yahoo! joining us here, we're nazi international joint. it's always great to see you. thanks very much for coming on this program. thank you. so much my pleasure coming on my pleasure in the you, you in the a basically old enough to remember all of this stuff going down with george w and get him. oh, of course, you know, you remember obama? this was one of the bottom was main campaign. pledge is we are going to shut down one ton m o bay. how will we still here? i'm going to, mo, is still there as well. we should place blame squarely on the shoulders of the

us congress. brock obama was serious when he said he wanted to close. guantanamo he campaigned on the issue. he said that he intended to follow through. and then congress passed the law and put him under political pressure with the laws saying that no prisoner who had ever served in guantanamo would be allowed on us soil. meaning they could not be transferred to american presence. and so his hands were tied, but i'll go back a little further than that. uh huh. you might recall that i was the c. i is a chief of kind of chairs. i'm operations in pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the 911 attacks. and when we started capturing large numbers of all kind of prisoners, the pakistanis told us that they were filling the jails and we needed to get them out. so i called c i a headquarters knows what to do with them. i was told to send them to guantanamo, and i sit guantanamo cuba. they said yes, we're gonna keep them there for 2 or 3 weeks until we can figure out which federal

district court to try them in. and they'll be transferred to either washington, new york or boston. this is only supposed to last a matter weeks, not 22 years. exactly, exactly. i mean, it's just been dragging out all this time. i mean, john, you know, when the icpc tried to hold us accountable for what happened and i was kinda still and then a rock washington actually sanction senior officials of the international criminal court. i turned of any other country. it has ever done that before. but i guess some people are asking how, how can you hold certain people in washington accountable when they can just whip out a sanctioning stick and just say you'll sanction and get out of the way. and not only did they you, she's sanctions, they passed a lot that's you put, mystically known here in washington as the hague invasion act, that actually authorizes the united states to send in the military to the hague, to rescue any american who might be facing justice. there we've entered the realm

of the truly ridiculous. yeah, yeah, yeah. now this, let me draw on it with a hugh and now you know, i guess putting a sites back on the bottom kind of my base. so can you help me as being a well, what would you expect the binding whitehouse to listen to the un in this case regarding get my, you know, i wouldn't know if this report has been bubbling up for several months now. we've been hearing bits and pieces of it of some of the conclusions, and there's been literally no reaction at all either from the white house or from the state department. certainly no reaction from the c. i might get s as they're just going to ignore it. and it will die acquired to join us before i let you go. hey, so could i have you on the program that you're just kind of on the left field here? how, how is it, do you think the havana has allowed guantanamo bay to be that now for the past 20 plus years? that's a great question. you know, the castro government refused to recognize the us presence in guantanamo because the, the agreement had been made with the but to use that dictatorship before. fidel castro

came to power. and so fidel castro to his great credit, never cashed the rent checks. the united states would issue a check to the cuban government every single year. it's a 99 year lease and he would never cash them not a single time, because he wanted to show that he did not recognize this uh, this lease agreement. this was an illegal occupation, really is what it amounts to of cuban sovereign territory. and listen, i've been to cuba, i can tell you that every cuban, no matter what is personal politics happened to be once the united states out interesting little side note, the former us intelligence officer, john kerry echo joining us here. we are now to the international orange. appreciate your comments for you. we'll see you again sometime. thanks so much. thank you very much. well, to iran, now with the country has dedicated an entire week to what it calls exposing us double standards on human rights and shedding light on washington's actions in the

early years of the as la make revolution shed. some light on this is yusef july, a recounting and exposing the american human rights. this is the theme of this conference held in the wrong name that shedding by somebody us rights abuses. any of our officials, rights activists and victims of us sanctions on the wrong are present here to provide physical evidence. so be us as dual take on the issue of human rights and may be patients and like, and this is, was a sanction of the listener. and usa cause i life as a be patient like other people that's to they are here at our patients, butterfly patient, tell us nutrition. and they have a lot of problem. and the about the drugs in death situation from one or 2 years that we can we can do,

do our button binders, our drugs and from another country i've seen a diet loser. the us cleans that medicine is exempt from the sanctions. but here's an interesting point. there are different types of sanctions direct and indirect. but the type of sanctions that have never been addressed, or the networks sanctions, which do not allow me to conduct banking transactions with entities that transform my payment to the pharmaceutical companies. such sanctions prevent me from working with medical firms. events comes as far as coming to anyone with asian dog and to be american and human rights, where it barks the series of tragic incident city laws. all falling within the same time frame when hundreds of iranians were killed in 2 years after the victoria of 1979, his vomit revolution works occupancy, or say, in all of those instances, the court find something you us can be traced. one of the most tragic incidents was

the 1988 down in governor on an airliner by the u. s. navy, which killed all the $290.00 people on board the doing plane of 35 years on there. one is, are still waiting for an apology from washington. i believe that that's a captain of the ship. william rogers may be, was his name rogers. i know his last name is rogers. uh, i believe that he knew it was a passenger plane and he was ordered to to shoot it down. and uh, unfortunately hundreds of innocent people lost their lives. it's, it's a great tragedy. i, i'm not aware, it's maybe maybe they did, but i'm not aware of the us government ever paid any kind of reparations or damages to the iranians families that, that lost family members on that flight. in 1981, the notorious terrace group, the majority in a common organization known as the m k. o m u k. bomb, the headquarters, other ones as well on the car, public party dealing several officials including it,

runs the injustice chief mohammad, the history activists. it'd be enter your 3rd group has enjoyed significant support from washington, strep throat, all you is at the chevy and one of the engine main actions carried out by the moon offer can, you, would you deem have led their supporters to stop packing them. despite their 40 years of support for the m k o, the west had to finally retreat from the terror group and can no longer rely on them. the us as use the m k. o as a criminal tool over the past 40 years. but now it has come to realize that it has stained its reputation with the m k o image. and this is forced to us to back down on the groups via and k. o was also allegedly responsible for the assassination of top iranian nuclear scientists into 20 tens, wherever on accuse us the celia to have engineered guitar attacks. but the most recent one was the assassination of top your money and military commander, general goss, i'm so the money this time, washington admitted, but it directly carried out the attach. i gotcha. although the american officials

have tried to justify their actions, we have talked to international robert to from the un, like in this column market so confirms the international crime committed by the us and declared that the assassination of general solve money is a blatant human rights violations on an international scale goes on, so you want us has lost its for whole video wants is more than 4 decades ago. in the dark memories, it's less than the countries seem to be indelible. this is not the end of the story yet. washington continues to create even sweeter memories for the ronnie s, as it intensifies its harsh as the sanctions regime on the wrong. with her run, this humanitarian side effects all with impunity. use of generally our to the size of the iran region. we invite you to russia to help it develop 10 new oil and gas fields in his territory, supposed to be worth billions. the question is, what currency will be used to export all the energy to the world on so it will not

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a common practice among the english at the time, towards indians who opened the what was understood the all right guys, i think we might have found it. i think the light i've just found as it is the blue building you see that used to be the log type of where it's listed by you scott. it was about when i brought the topic of the item, big guy that was found in, in uh, in the, in the above. she was aware of it. i have a boat with me use uh who is now the, one of the, uh, the base. uh and yeah, so do you know about the history of this? so then yes, we uh my husbands mine both the uh, the bill doing a props with the 9. is the guy um, once we lived in, we were told at some point, but somebody mentioned to us that the driver had a history then apart from them use makes. and that because of the name somebody had

backend the way, way back in history and the uh, the days that the pub, hutch, uh, bruce presented the landlord ways. uh. the scarlet oven bag. um, who was the of in bold and the indian lead to an age. and was colson, published by being fired from a kind of the ad fullest. she was very hesitant to give an interview. and the reason that she told me was that his business days go on is the past, it's dead, but it happened. and it's, it's, it happened, nobody can change it. so why discuss about that? why talk about that? i think there's a lot of a media in, in the book didn't go to it about of the colonial bonds. they have the was a continuous stream of an armstrong, a violent and a very bloody on spending as well. right from what was known in the 1st uprising in

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the of the as you can see it's flying through is the a lot of people come here when i and do the bit. there's museums in the museum. i didn't see people who are really bad to learn anything. they was just dad, in my opinion, do um, as students do just just see in the different sections of the countries what kind of artifacts are made because they have different styles. i don't see a point of the artifacts that belong to us became that and in, in london a bit in as an excuse for 4 people, you know,

in history. oh, i think we are in front of the moos going to a sion artifact in my opinion, in the british museum, which is the sword and the rings and perfume of the was of done is it. is it reminders of the colonialism that a good in india to use? if you to read these a descriptions, you will find that they have very explicit you need it. and that this sort in the building was actually taken from his dead body after he was going ancestors protected these objects within a blood they lost their lives for it. you know, the, they've been bringing to and given the respect to these objects, for centuries, the least we can do is convince other nations to give these all to expect to us.

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