right, for sense, right, like use all of those things, keep people on the platform. if you can scroll through your facebook feed and read like one times or 3 times articles or 3 wall street journal articles that you're gonna read that day, you're going to stay on that platform. and then you're going to engage with grandma's content and you're going to engage with your best friends content. all of that is keeping you on. and then we're getting is like the nike add for the new tv, or like the night to the ad for the new checks that you want to buy or the netflix ad for the new tv show that you want to watch on. keeping your attention means more money for the social media companies. henry, you bring up the idea of all the money which is involved in social media platforms, which actually makes me think of influencers. now there's an across the board and all of the social media platforms and is a key element of this battle is the influencers and the money that they're getting . are influencers taking a big chunk out of the marketing by just the traditional budgets of those

traditional media is that's a good question. i mean, i think that influence there's slay a different role than traditional media. they are content creators for a new digital age, and they play a highly important role. and going back to your 1st question, what makes social media platforms successful? so if you think about tick, tock, some early era, and i'm sure they're doing this to some some extent or another band. countries in which they 1st started coming in. they started spending a lot of money on bringing influencers onto the platform, cultivating you influencers and giving money to people so they can spend their time generating content on the platform. and the one reason for that is if you have good content, you're going to have like if you build it, they will come right. if you have good content, people will come onto the platform. um, but that also gives influenza. there's a upside roland. these platforms, in terms of, you know,

they construct their own advertising deals with that, you know, major companies in charge, you know, anywhere from thousands of dollars to millions of dollars for like, you know, for, for displaying, you know, in, for typing up some company's products on their platform, it also makes them very susceptible to, you know, government regulations when they do come in and, you know, question mark of how does this create or economy then respond to respond to government regulations, threatening their livelihood? is a very interesting question. is there a social media platform that is more attractive to influencers and what makes influencers actually decide to go on one platform or do they all now just do multi platforms. the thing most implants are, is right now are multi platform and it's easy for them, right? because if you see what tick tock did they essentially tucked like the early off or a binds the short from form videos and made them popular again. and now every

company from a youtube to facebook, instagram, which is owned by meta, is doing them. so it's not, it's not, it's not that difficult to say, i'm going to put some content up on pick talk, and then repeat that content on youtube, instagram, facebook and monetize it. and all of those may major media platforms. well, i think all this brings us to the pandemic and the rise of take talk. it was actually a hero because it kept people at home and still engaged, interacting, and active. i feel like everybody used to be cheering for it and now they're cheering for his demise. so what do you feel like happen to change the tide? yeah, i mean, i think that's a very interesting question and i think part of it has to do with where tip top comes from. if you look at the major media social media platforms that arose during the early on,

there were all american social media companies right. um that tick tock, even if they're new offices for, for like like cancer based in, you know, single 4 or, you know, they're moving to ireland. they're still a chinese company. and i think that gives a lot of legislators room for posts because whether it's facebook, instagram, or tape talk, we by downloading these apps and using them, or giving them a lot of data on who we are, what we do, where we are, and all that data can be used and manipulated. we seen that happen before. we're that there is a potential for that to happen with a social media platform like tick tock. the fact that you know, they're sharing data into chinese data centers raises the major question. i think this is a legit question that that data can be used by the chinese government and

so you see a bi partisan support for a cautious approach to a company like take talk. thank you to kendra palmer, a. it seems like a great time take a break because when we return, we're going to look into why people are only concerned as certain government have access to their data rather than all of the

. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the welcome back. we're looking at the various condom receipts, running

a tick tock with our guests tech feature editor for business insider to kendra palmer decatur. there's a multiple avenues i want to go with your answer on this. so 1st, from a user perspective, nothing is free users get on social media platforms and then shocked their information activity have advertisements garnered for what their post are, what their interest might actually be. nothing is ever free. one has to give something, shouldn't people have expected their data to be used from all the platforms, including tape talk? yeah, of course. i mean, i think this is the implicit understanding of a social media platform is by engaging in it. we are not their customers, we are their product. every thing that we do on it is then be sold to advertisers. and there's, you know, positives and negatives that are associated with that. that's not unique to take talk that across the board. so what can any government and i want to say this includes the chinese government do with the information they gained,

which out of tick tock shows honestly for me, i'm a bad dance or a horrible cook. and then even worse, giving tips on how to clean, why should all of this be alarming to the traditional consumer? yeah, i mean, i think it's different data, right? like the other sort of and you know, i think that right now the question of how this is happening is, um store question mark. we've seen that play out in other parts of the world. so we have a reasonable understanding of this. but, you know, the big question is, can these top ones be used to manipulate us in certain ways with misinformation this information, whatnot. and those things, you know, they may not care about how your, you know, your cleaning tips and all those things. but they might care about your location where your base, they might care about the content that you're, you're engaging with to see has a sceptical you are to certain points of view. so those are the questions that i think i companies have about tick tock. but again,

i want to stress that those questions are just as legitimate for facebook and instagram, the degree to which facebook and instagram handle that. those questions are also, you know, different and require scrutiny. but it is a question that is social media at large. why is it just lately those questions are just being focus on to talk if every social media platform is collecting the same data? why are we now seeing congressional hearings on tick tock? uh, yeah, i mean, i think its, uh, its progression, right? like there's and we have these hearings around facebook and cambridge analytic a around, you know, after 2016, we had questions about the way that facebook and, and, you know, the company was known as facebook, back then microsoft, etc. we're sharing data with the us government after the edward snowden leaks in 2013. this is just the hot new thing right now,

and there is new questions that are rising. and there's also that i need to sort of element of the fact that it is a for, and the company. i'm no longer can we be sort of assured that, you know, it's an american company, therefore they will have the best interest because, you know, we can have, let's have a healthy, does a skeptical skepticism. it's saying that, but like it, the, the argument might go, an american company might have a, a interest in protecting, you know, american users. question mark on how time these companies may use american use or data or chinese companies may use indian user data is where another can cop in occurred. but here's the funny thing to kendrick, don't you find it curious for the past few years here in america. there's been this outcry in congressional hearings on social media platforms like facebook, youtube, but for censoring and making sure traffic was limited on certain political post. now it seems those same politicians are the loudest advocates for the banning of

tick tock here in the united states. why is this? yeah, i mean, i think that's an interesting question. i think that, you know, we have to sort of pierce through the political rhetoric over here and just realize that these bands, i mean, there might be some sort of, they, there is that international all meant to at of shit. like, you know, we can all come together to be like, what do we want the chinese government to have our data that it's a, it's more of a unifying elements than that sort of the of that, that the, the sort of, partisan looks that facebook and youtube and those in those social media companies . but you know, the question of why is that? i think it's a talk is a easy target in some ways for that kind of bi partisan you know, anger if you want to call it back or skepticism, may, it may be

a better word. you know, the social media giant meta lobbying efforts in washington dc in 2022. they actually spent over $20000000.00 on lobbying, and in $23.00 so far, they're projecting at $459000000000.00 spent on lobbying the us congress. and this all the current open secrets, i mean they are the 2nd largest group behind the big farm. and now, what does this mean? yeah, i mean, i think that like, business is deeply cynical. so you align yourself where you can, and you let your competitors, there's be taken out. i don't think we should all be surprised by that. but on the question of lobbying, i think this is, this is a really important question that you've raised the amounts of money that tech is spending in our political systems for influence is just going up and up and up. and that will raise really important questions for how we regulate technology companies . what's there are, there are american companies or chinese companies the in that doesn't matter because they're going to be consequences for the average user no matter what they

may be different styles of consequences. but there are going to be consequences, and that is something that every journalist, every watch, stop should be watching is where is that money going to and how are the politicians responding? let's talk about journalist integrity. are you a little bit concerned? considering more journalists are actually having to rely on social media platforms all to get their work out about honesty. and we're in reporting on the same platforms. yeah, that's an interesting question. i mean, this is a sort of catch 22. that's been an issue for an industry for a while. um, but i think there is something to be said for, you know, there are, have been, you know, over the last 10 years news companies that are rose to cater for the social media age. buzzfeed, devices like those companies are now sort of shuddering and going to the wayside. and you know, if you look at media strategies now,

i think we're very aware of what it means to have platforms come to us and 8. if we find this through search or find us through the app on use as of the world, there will always be a tech intermediary of some sort because we all use tech in one way or another. but i don't think that that legitimately impacts the rigor of investigative journalism that you see targeting tech companies from out looks like the mark that from, you know, outlets like ourselves. and i think that's the distribution question. that's a big question and that's the next essential question. but i think we're still doing our jobs and i would hope we still continue to do our jobs. recently the talk seo was brought in from congress and various influencers were actually made available at the request of tech talk to talk about why they believe to talk was being targeted. as a repeated answer was, it was one of the only true free speech platforms. currently,

i'd say talk says it doesn't try to edit or point people at a certain direction as other platforms have been accused of doing in the past. so what is the best platform for free speech right now with the least amount of involvement by the company or the organization that owns them? well, 1st of all, none of these companies have total free speech and i've reported on tech tax content moderation operation before i can tell you that there are things that they will take down because they have to take down because advertisers would not want, you know, a free for all on their platforms. so i think that is a bit of a misnomer. i think that that raises a really interesting question. a company can say that, and the truth of the matter is their content model. duration strategies are completely opaque to the general public. we don't know that unless we're talking to those sort of rank and file and are investigating their working conditions to, and then gleaning information about how they're moderating content as well. so

whether tick tock is a true free speech platform, i think that's a little bit to be asked, but i don't think any of the major popcorn is there to free speech because that would be into this as to their business models. now i'm sure you heard, but they see up tick tock proposed as changes to his policies. these include none of the data actually going back to china. the ceo also stated they had hired an american company, which happens to be one of the largest from donors to the republican party, to hold all of their data state side will be amends offered by the tick tock, c, o 2, congress actually restore faith and trust in tick tock the hey, i think it depends on who you ask about face and for us, right? because if you're looking at tech talks user base, i think i do trust tech talk there. so on it these congressional hearings on some level. and i do want to stress it, um, it feels like the concerns of the geriatric population in some way. right. i think

that's the sort of digital native population that is using tech talk is very cognizant that the questions that you know, people are asking about tick tock are true for all of the social media platforms they engage with. and there's as sort of learned helplessness to it, to a certain extent. now the question about sensitive data with the chinese government and things, i don't know what the like, you know, american population at large thinks of that i, i'm curious to see if your research pull on where, where they stand with it. but i think that because that idea, so nebulous right now it, you might as well replace chinese government with any government and it would have the same residence, you know, which is to say it is a fear may be, but it is as in big us a fear as any other government having access to your data or consumers in america and even in the end, you are complaining about tick tock, having ties to china. yeah,

most of the phones and used also were built in china. technology like the microscopes were built in china, is it securely or they have no objection to their phone being made in china, but an app? and yeah, it really depends, right? like i think that's, i don't know if we have reporting to suggest that there are like major hardware concerns. that like the fox on factories are, you know, going a, if putting in various malware into their computers or anything like that. um, you know, and i'd be curious let's, uh, let's see how the world plays out. i think that like the software concern is a little more legitimate because the way that, you know, these apps can extract data in there, kind of getting your consent to do it. it's just that, how do you use that data as a question? um, but yeah, i think i that to answer your question,

i think the software concern is it has more concerning the hardware concern. oh, thank you so much to kendra palmer tech feature editor for business insider. well, they've been you for a 6 if you with the news you can use on scanning. now here's thanks for watching the the has played a bag right now. you can go to the victor rising to the monster, but it's like, uh, like a hammer. somewhere i can use it to put a needle and we want the same. i gotta use the fact on wednesday the,

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the same time of the kremlin has received messages of support for many, a middle east and government, saudi arabia, among the latest, with the crown prince voting mister post and expressing install it directly with most good. let's take this conversation further here on how to international down crossing live to the areas right, that professor holly by tennessee from the l 50 university. joining us here and on the international mr. bucks, talk to you. thank you very much for coming on this program. this evening in your opinion, so the significance of the phone call. ready between the russian and saudi leda attempting, excuse me, concerning the attempt to, to wagner a mutiny in russia. how significant was that phone call from where you at? and i think it's important, it's a, it shows how much strong relationship and the sort of dirty. so the idea, as for russia, russia has always been loyal to so the idea, so the idea is showing that its appreciates this loyalty and it's,

and it's also loyal to russia. of course, we believe in a strong government to relieve and stronger constitution and situations. and what's happened to us ever used any, and that was not acceptable by all means and by all the standards. and so there may be a viewing as much because is this it standards position in any similar situation like any em in, for example, that's what's happened to them, which is already built against the government a and depending on where his beloved is, uh, trying to do ahead there on uh government uh uh with the government and has to shelby and i like so. and everywhere we uh she something like that we

stand with the government with the legitimate government. i guess. and it's such videos. i'm unity. i'm sure i'm sure moscow is very grateful for the phone call from the, from, from re add during a south of those big events when, when the attended ministry news and they what was being carried out, how did the saudi me, the cause of the event, the well, the saw the media convert to the events uh uh, with the uh, government view. uh, taking uh priority and uh of course we understand uh the government uh uh, stand and uh we have to appreciate some for that in the media. we believe a strong, a government and a strong president and, and russia is beneficial as to whether it's in the and russia itself or to

uh, its friends and neighbors. it's a, it's been said in the recent past. joe biden in washington has blamed re add for following the energy policy of the russian federation. of course, you will remember some months back when joe biden flew to re add and had a fist pump and said, you know, we want you guys to, to increase all production. and then we went back to america. and saudi arabia basically decided to cut a oil production. how, how significant is this time right now? the saudi arabia is in saudi arabia. is a note true in his relationship with russia, it's nurturing it's relationship with china that let's talk about a possible petrow. you one in the future, tell me about how important is saudi arabia today on the global stage of geo politics and geo economics. as we know, it just started. the idea is drawing,

it's on a road map looking for its own interest. and it doesn't matter whether it is at east or west. everybody has to respect that the russian chinese theatre expected that they never interfered in our internal affairs. unfortunately, some other countries, and there was a thought that they could uh uh, and force their own edge. and their own interest on us, and they could interfere in our internal affairs and was there on the campus of the morality and the rest of doors. that sort acceptable. and it's sort of the idea of the lease that it's and it's best center. and it's best interest to raise the production or lower the production of oil. they wouldn't do that to,

regardless of what america or the waste or anybody else be leaf is right or wrong. and russia is a good, a lie, a good trained in the times and, and with times, and to fall the pressure on so the others to got the lose that ocean. uh, i or to, uh, uh, not cooperate with russia where they are in a big loss or otherwise uh, is visit, refused, of course because uh, we followed our on campus as an ice mass. many countries are as well in that part of the world, sort of jump in progressive, but as many countries are in that part of the world, a lot of countries are growing. i guess a strong the backbone and steining on their own 2 feet in the, in the, in, in, i guess on the front line it was changing. multi poder world l 5 will university

professor college photography. joining us live from a jetta where it's about 10 pause midnight. appreciate you joining us as such a late hour here on how to international. thank you very much. yeah. and have a to audience. thank you. so the united nations representative as cold in america to on so for the abuses, inflicted on inmates of the guantanamo bay prison. come, she said as an apology and a long promised shot down to the detention facility. a long way of adhere torture was a betrayal of the rights of the victims of the 911 attacks. the us government must urgency, provide judicial resolution apology, and guarantees of non repetition. i still have serious concerns about the continued detention of now 30 men at still there and the persistent arbitrariness that provides their day to day existence. i observed.