the cross talking after the board of 2 and joined by my guest, scott ritter in del mar is a former intelligence officer in united nations weapons inspector in nashville. we have steve gill, he is an attorney and political commentator, and in lisbon we cross boot. alexander guerrero, he is an international law analyst part, gentleman comstock rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it's gone. let me go to you. um, you know, we have the after glow right now. i know you were glued to it like the rest of us. what are your initial thoughts after this very bizarre weekend? my initial thoughts are that um the entire world's going to be re imagining wagner now that the mythology has been stripped away and we're compelled to look at the, the reality of, of the organization, the people who ran the organization, what actually the organization did. and then what it cost russia to,

to they have a fogged or a group of let's remember that wagner was a business. i write a report is released statistics about just how successful a business wagner was. um, you know, almost uh, almost 200000000000 roubles poured into wagner last year. and i think we're, we, we, we know some insight into why a promotion of did what he did. it wasn't about patriotism. it wasn't about, you know, demanding that the, it's showing doing, garage, them of would do. the right thing is about money, plain and simple. he was desperate retain. the contract has made him so much money in cost, russia, so many lives. so i, i think that you'll issue a show that the wagner experience was a, was a bad experience for russia. this, this was, it was irresponsible to create a private army, understand why they did it. but just to stay in that private army. and it led to

this most embarrassing nova the buckles, which course was the bugger, attempted to. yeah. and, and i agree with it and then you know, it was also a lot about ego in about public presence. and we saw the, the going uh, the refute going on of it. he had with the, the authorities, which he, himself is not really a trained military man. so the public here i can tell you from my perspective is very happy. this affair is over the way it ended. it's a mixed bag, but there was a political resolution. i would have preferred also a legal one, but i couldn't live with the outcome. steve, let me go to nashville with uh, it's what your thoughts on this here because all during the, the events of the weekend. well, the thing to be accomplished continued in, in ukraine. ukrainians are dying from the west. really didn't know what to make a bit except for if it's bad for poor and it's good for us, which again,

it's kind of a juvenile interpretation of everything. and then when i talk about how it would this whole affair was talked about in western media. so your thoughts vive, go ahead. yeah, i think it continues to be something that is not really completely resolved because the stories now are changing after this. i suppose it negotiated settlement progression is now claiming that it was, was never an attempt to go to mazda on military. this is just upfront test march, when you, when you take over a military operation, as they did with armed forces and chains and other military army. that's not a friendly project march. and now you've got a new president clinton, who earlier the message was over not going to prosecute any of these thoughts. now present, put and is making it clear that he intends to prosecute both the leaders, although not the, the armed forces beneath the leader. so. so this is, this is not over yet, and start to talk, you know, better about what happened militarily in your brain is a, as they moved out and have now moved apparently, to is it about a 120 miles?

yeah, but, but the, the russians were still sitting in the faces pastor, do you have an american generals on a fox and other locations urging you, praying to charge to put all the work on which makes something just a trap from the beginning. does it just, you know, more than brains as they thought they had their opening, and the russians are sitting there just, you know, continuing to white. so now started talking about those tactics, but i think we don't know the aftermath of the west is as perplexed as anybody, you know, probably as much as people advice as well where this goes next. yeah, alex i, i think we, we do were um, basically finished with this right now. i mean, scott's absolutely right. it was a huge business enterprise, the garage and saw his empire being diminished dramatically. and his is placing in the public. i mean, what most russians know about production is on telegram channels. okay,

that's where he was king and he was vetted a lot. okay. and now that there's been a major reversal here, but like i said, i wasn't putting a bow on it here is that there's an enormous amount of relief and a lot of people are very happy to see this man move on. okay. and keeping the piece at the same time, your thoughts, alexander, leasing russia. are you seeing like this? but in the west here we had the totally different perspective. because as far as i know, according to the coverage made by the western media, we must serialize in sports that the west continues to make it to be stable. can you can get through us. yeah. through western eyes, believing that it's the work social work with the same dynamic sense to see the cities. and that's how everyone betrays versus using the west as a country. at least one sees 3 these mark by successive, but certainly go who said the, but it seems loving me, putting things above or the west actually has come to russia as a country born by a solid and symbol literacy. however, last week and last subsidize the piece to include the group immediately led to

comparing the rest in all 5053 we the russia or the 1988. and that'd be ninety's. that was already seen as a memory from the law in these tests to earn the discussion in the west and media manual who are actually a very to a true, a sounding board. so for simple additions to focus on the view that the rest of his approval to be the more political stable than it was believed. and the c panel being as safe as believed to the point where there at least was a personality like you have any boys in the group decided the russian government luchella's u. s. and subdivision much of space. and from here, the political situation in russia began to be discussed with the service. and so far as an eventual political interest in russia and would be dangerous for the west because of russia. if he's a stays, there is nothing more,

nothing less than that which has been get power. so here everyone now is still discussing what fix there was this stage and get this thing done. what kind of the things that effects the case? it was not stage, it would have for the russian politics in the future. and that remind everyone that from a to, to may have any, be losing the game, the piece, mo, most popular politician, interrupt shit. well, he all i like for me to be pushed back there. he's not a politician. that's the problem. he acted like one. okay. and he was on the left leave and anyway, and he was on elected here scott, that's of it's very interesting point because as much as the, the western media and political lead stared this on no state institution, no regular soldiers, nothing. there was a uniformly rejection of this. okay. and i think they'd let them here put in did the right thing. it was the best of the worst possible outcomes. that's the way i kind of look at it. scott. so again that we have to re imagine wagner. we have to

strip away the mythology law of which was largely created and promoted by a precaution himself. be a telegram and uh, it's cetera. um, you know, for goshen in his march to, to moscow said i'm providing the russians with a case example of how it should have been done in key of of no for goes in that what, what, what people don't realize right now isn't this was not provision negotiating an end to his do is damn it up. he was told by lucas jacob, that if he didn't back down all the wagner guys would die. that day. that day. that day, a day that the houses, there were thousands of russians. special forces deployed in the civil region. the elite elements of wagner had made contact with them and reported back if they were

about to be over. well, understand with your margin on the road was an extended call. there's a thing called a basic load. basic about load? oh, that's what you carry on you. you might have a couple of re supplies in your truck. that's it. you're getting a firefight with a regular r before she will run out of ammunition to die. and remember, wagner was scattered all along the road. they weren't afraid, they were going to die. meanwhile, and most of them done $10000.00 children, osmond special forces and surrounded most of the single have been given to provision that they were coming in that night to kill him and all his wagner soldiers. this would have been a massacre. it was right to avoid it, but this was it for goshen doing anything nice. you know that the criticize is showing in garage you month. let me point out that the success of the russian military is enjoying today on the battlefield is because of decisions made by showing go. there are some of the defense industry, production, joy,

do the deployment of rush forces. your last them up, the victory there enjoy that which it for goes, you know, offer is just reflect on the battle of bus moved up 250000, but your soldiers engaged 30000 more context. we suffered 60 percent casualties, including 20 percent. the 20000 said 20000 dead promotion that model if applied across the entire got dead zone 300000 russian debts. thank god rush. it didn't embrace the wagner model. i'd say, you know, steve, the way, the way i look at it and you know, and, and things have calm down. obviously it was, he was making progression was making a public plead to make a asking who to make a deal. okay. because he wasn't going to get a deal from the department and the ministry of defense. okay. and, and, and put in the next week we asked and called up lucas hand guns. i. this is a deal. i'm going to offer him and he took it okay. because of the reasons that scott just said they would have been overwhelmed in one day. your thoughts before we go to the break. i think so amazing refrain or stop pointed out there was only

so much time he was going to exercise at restraint before he went to these guys out . i think if i run a jet for boys in criticizing the military leadership for not being real soldiers, real military man, while he's a chef, he's a guy that had a chair and yet he's criticizing them for not being real soldiers is, is stop what and out yes, the miss ology of progression to some sort of the greatest military leaders in history. i gotta stop. which is the bigger mythology, the ghost of g f, shooting down all these russian aircraft or production as the greatest military leader invest in history. a at least provision did go to the front line and bus mood. i'm not going to denigrate his courage, but i will agree that the man is not a military leader. he was the public relations front and the business for the public relations guy. no, perfect, very successful businessman gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion after the board and co stay with our to

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the 30th 2006 said i'm was saying was executed and john will shut me down for december, the 15th 2011. a ceremony was held in back down to him on the end of the us military mission. in reality, the us army is still in a rock, and i didn't see how the village was still out there, but the

the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter live, else remind you we're discussing after the board of the . okay, let's, let's go back to alexander and elizabeth know, i'll tell you, you already mentioned that west 3 responses to this. i want to ask all 3 of you starting with alexandra here. what happened over the weekend is a case study perfect case study of how the right, how the west misunderstands russia. i mean, looking at twitter feeds, looking at all and cable news. i mean, it was bizarre. anyway, i find it really remarkable. i've lived here for a quarter of

a century and when i looked at news analysis and so called analysis about russia, anybody and everyone has a opinion, but not about a night, jerry, or was, or south africa. you know, people just say, i'm not an expert on or the, i'll, you know, fuck as to what, but everybody in western media is an absolute expert on russia and almost none of them get ever get it right. go ahead, alexander, i mean, so literally everyone's starting to be an expert on, there is an issue the and even also on the doors and the room. actually people don't even moved and looking. so i ran back what for the times i have actually other private companies working for united states and many of them actually meeting the they really for me to the international crime. so they don't understand that there are contract 2 companies that and police, they are working for a rush it in the brain, but they are legalized yet they presently are also be the soul. what this means is

that appear to be in the west. we keep booting a drug shift through our western eyes and we see that the same phenomenon and dynamics that happen shooting the with must be also the same that are presents in russia and people who suffer people to understand this, the presently, the soul and the actually solve this problem in this fashion, on the very big way because the decided that on july 1st then the fighters, she joined the revenue direct, all uterus and armed forces, and on they want. they all do like they will actually join the russian army forces as early as security forces. and for here we go start the 1st of brought up because everyone expected booty. what police tried to resist. they wanted to see some kind of blood, the russians. they wanted to see some kind of who she was even hard to imagine that

the main goal here getting the boys and was too tall blogging me for this little just a method of business and all the contracts there few was we knew russian states, it was hard to understand here there as well as it is now hard to understand why the speed goes in blurs. so it's actually really hard for people to see reality because they are used to imagine a lot of capacity, some of things towards the russian. yeah, this god, i mean you know it as well as anyone else. is that the way right? the way rushes seen is always through a wish list. okay. the walls are caving in. okay. the, the regime is crocker, where it hits your all of it. i've been hearing it for 25 years. you know, and you, i, you would think it would be so i'm kind of corrective, i mean, if you're wrong, every single time isn't time to say, maybe we should reassess, but they are completely incapable of doing it. scott, a doing it's amazing. i mean if you think about it right now, the west has a,

an image of flattery putting that they've painted as, of course, this autocratic uh, victor tauriel, bug who governs over a dysfunctional state that's on the internet. the verge of collapse of this is why, of the less believe that they could implement sanctions to crush a weak russian economy. and thereby, generate interest amongst the domestic population would rise up and do a mosque out. my don remove food and look, look at the results of labor food and prior to the wagner, the bach. ready i was in st. petersburg for the st. petersburg international economic form, where the reality is, the rest of the economy today is stronger than it has ever been in it's our history . let me just say that one more time, the russian economy is stronger today. then it has ever been its entire history because of wherever footage responds to. western sanctions,

right of blood report today enjoys more popularity, is more secure in his role as a democratically elected president than ever before. because of what the west is, the west doesn't understand russia, they don't understand its leader. and if they were to reevaluate, they realize that all their policies are wrong, that the best policy is to actually reach out a hand of friendship to russia and work with russia together to, to build a better safer world. but that of course would require a total re imagining of the west rule. ready in the world data or. ready data can't exist that a russian threat, and if you evaluate rusher correctly, you'll realize the rush is a threat to no one. yeah, it's interesting, steve, i agree completely with what scott said and, and because russia isn't collapsing and he can now make collapse about the defeat on the battlefield of what is very interesting in douglas mcgregor talked about

this so that he wrote an article for the american conservative visit as the west policy towards russian. and i would also say china, the more the powers that be demonized, the sent it home. i mean it, it's truly extraordinary. how is it going off script as it were? how much you can be demonized, canceled, etc. is there is a correlation, steve. well, it's gone. alexander, exactly, ryan. that this a western media has for trade in on the brink of death for over a decade because maybe that's their wish list. the scariest thing oper likely was been present. brewton this week announced that they were going to increase the arm of the production of weapons and, and bullets, but that the russian tax payers weren't going to be paying for that. when i purchased my prices as a gas pump here in the united states were about to go up again. i'm sorry, one of my friends in the us, it a few weeks ago and pointed out that with the hundreds of billions the american taxpayer support into your brain on their side of this conflict. and with the

sanctions that have raised the price of oil. americans have funded the russian side of this conflict as well. this may be the 1st time in history we funded both sides of war. and americans are disputing one side of the story. europeans as well as it's just the propaganda machine. if you brain telling us every day your brain is winning and man, this is what winning looks like. i don't want to be a part of it. yeah, it, alexandra it's, it's really quite incredible to me. it's something that i've chronicled on this program here is that the biggest loser outside of ukraine obviously, is europe. i mean, you're, you're trying to isolate rushes, isolating itself in impoverishing itself. i, i've said on this program, you know, future historians will explain to us, but i've changed my mind, it'll be future psychologists. they will have to explain this to us. go ahead. elizabeth. when we look, for example, if you repeat union and we see that these has already approved the 11 seconds on the sanctions against russia,

and each has already began the routine here at the united states approved at least 4 large a package is exceeding $113000000000.00, which corresponds to a value much higher than the gross domestic product on gary, i have to raise your hand very close to the gross domestic product. it's all based on your luck yet. and when you combined. and even though they're not the chief actually reasonable results, except in the accounts of the states themselves, that the group such measures even to day, i heard the boldly russians for installation in their country. and some days ago, the era bronzer remarked at the boston bloss of purchasing power and several, you remember sides. few reports, you know, like for example, most of the goods for the, for the day, every day. but you actually have lost 80 percent of the power barges. this is a huge, yet we even heard a couple of weeks ago, residential by them and read these try minnesota. really to not saying that us and

you pay will support to bring as long as he pays. well, this seems like a kind of a paradox for me because when we look forward to view research said they're very artic surveys, that we can see that in march 2052, only 7 percent of respondents. after that, the amount of weight was too much. now, in june 2053, the secretary's already do 60 percent or so it seems to me that in other words, and not only washington's efforts, but also the re union effort, can show that the great news winning default is no longer and it is not necessary to show people that is necessary to invest money, you great. and there is also something a rather different tier because they presently ad it has become more and more difficult to going to be supposedly not only that, it brings meaning, but also the rest is losing. it may not seem like it's, but they are actually 2 different things. yeah. they are, you know, it's got the skies out with, uh, steve, you want to jump in,

go ahead to by just trying to claim that these sanctions are going to break the russian economy. i think the russian inflation rate is about 2 or 3 percent. it's about 8 percent of the us who's breaking, who's a con? absolutely good point. i mean, i keep telling people me, go to, uh scott, right now i keep telling people that, for russians, if you, if you're not an avid consumer of the news, you probably don't even know russia is sanctioned. it's it, that's how it and see there. it's got your, you have military experience here. so considering the, the lack of effectiveness of the ukranian counter offensive, when do you think we can expect a russian offensive? a look doctrinally rush, it will absorb the full strength of the, of their opponents attacking force before going onto the counter offensive. right now, rushes fighting, a doctrinal conflict plane to their straits. the defensive network that's been built, it's called the sort of ican line. but the reality is it was designed by somebody

named colonel general alexander roman chuck. he was a dean director at the combined arms academy, right moscow? any rewrote rushes defense of doctrine using the lessons of the training conflict. he rewrote the that the defense is, are be built based upon a, you know, his new doctor, and then they pulled him out of the academy, needs commanding his upper read your front. so russia right now is conserving its strength, destroying depleted the ukrainian spring. and that's your appropriate time when these 12, they know, chamber gauge have lost all combat capability with the supporting a remaining, your training and forces have likewise lost any or general combat power. a russia will go on the counter offensive, a strong as a defensive bar. the people are recognizing the rush is held back. 852200000 troops were organized in the offensive strike units equipped at the most modern military

equipment led by good leaders, manned by motivated 1st forces. and i believe it's sometime by the end of the summer of you're going to see that you're training and offensive stuff and you're going to see the right. all right on that thought, that's a good thought to start another program. but that's all the time we have a one to think, my guess, and del mar, nashville. and elizabeth, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time and remember across doubles the the on the bus can do, i just need to get them with key at the washington state,

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