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hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. western in public cir, told the collective west must defeat russia, inflict a strategic defeat on the kremlin, all in the name of democracy. meanwhile, bootcamp regime is announced this year as part of men free elections and next year's presidential election is suspended. so much for ukrainian democracy, the processing ukraine's so called democracy, i'm joined by my guess in the web or, and we're thing, he is an independent political commentator. and here in moscow we have sonya event then. and as she is an independent journalist. alright, across stock rolls in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciated after you let me go to you 1st. i mean, i find it really quite curious to say the least and watching over the last 15 months, western of public officials coming out and say, we have to protect democracy with there's no democracy in ukraine, there won't be

a democracy in the west. okay. and we don't fight them there that will have to fight them here and we've heard it over and over and over again. then we and we hear that rather casually from the authorities in care of that well, elections are suspended right now. this is on the heels of nationalizing the media . whether it's all, it's one monotone message, though opposition parties and opposition figures are either a on, in jail house arrest or exiled in the west, continues to talk about the virtues of democracy in ukraine. your thoughts, anthony? well, this is old being kept sort of a clot from the appropriate suddenly the okay i'm, i'm showing up and i tried conversation as well. um i'm, i must be remembered search. uh well, so i'm just trying to manage that and i've uh, collections uh,

friday just passed on the sun by the right side with that. um, many other countries with my walls and type uh, elections. uh and also have nature and signs of low. but even during recycle of carpet, how do i make somebody there's actually this is chase lot. so right, uh, uh no, not to have action. so then i think the reason is that brand new people in ukraine who are dissatisfied with the southern state government. and i want to see how base and our course we have that big about 400000 data amongst the training little x ray. i don't know thing creating very many, many more power cash it will say ease and is probably consolidating very, very won't say shotwell and the opposition. and the guy,

the in the cycle, west country where i think sold would be in assess, taking the if the game. so they, defending democracy, sycold the must be democracy, the because it isn't, may i ask them being there for, for some considerable time. so let's see what happens is that it is furniture deserving. yeah, sonya, it's very interesting. i guess we could pick, pick out 2016 with the advent of trump in brags it was the rates are very tepid these days when it comes to democracy. okay. i can remember i thought it was a british publication. i think it after breaks that is a we have too much to ma, of course the we have to, we know we need, we shouldn't have referenda anymore. we have too much democracy. meanwhile, speed up to today. okay, we've already talked about ukraine is suspending its democratic procedures. but you have in moldova, they want to ban and mold open part of it because it's pro russian. what they never mentioned, that it's probably anti government. that's why it's popular in bold area. they,

they want to start banning parties there because they're pro russian, but maybe they relapse satisfied with the government. and sophia, also the alternative for germany. it's the number to party now in germany and public opinion polls. what do you bad? my friend, they're gonna start finding reasons to band that party too, because they'll get all do it in the name of ukraine's democracy. apparently. sonya of go ahead. yes. hi, i'm interested in the during the day. yeah. whoa, very small village. somewhere in that too. yeah. they will the election, the alternative would you want to be? so the 1st real time already. but what happened today internet is, is really. yeah, it's crazy. you know, we have also to go far to that. it's for him for democracy and already a long time they are sitting on, you know, they are right, we extreme is and so, and now they are really going to suspend the sparkling and it wasn't hold to base

yesterday in the, in the bottom it says, oh, you know, use printing, say to use the newspaper by russia. this is the 1st thing they come up with. the same in, in germany and you can see, oh your, it's, you know, all the parties who not only are you can say they are supporting old fashion. no, do, even that they have to say something positive or even neutral. then they start saying, oh yeah, but you know, we have with us, you know, because you know about your eyes where you're on your brain as well. so it's, yeah, it's a democracy doesn't know the whole proceed. there's no, see, and you're any more assisted. i love those guys really i wrote about is and i here and every day people, friends and why the word germany, democracy is gone. it's in every thing. it's called if you go to the suspense political parties, i mean, you didn't do the same as what you love it and then july and 1933. you for bits all

position parties. what this is happening again. it's like today's, oh yeah, i is the the head. oh yes i was getting charged for that. but from where you find the situation with all the money side membership and then this become a member political site that i have a referendum of public where the company so long associated. and indeed, all these policies on your credit in russia, by some precedent countries including. ready logic can call no matter what. so at the public side of the public, i've been to the side, you know, on these policies were probably crying to russia. sites are these are the hottest deals of the argument that varies the real democracy of the upper management of the sonya if i'm not mistaken. there was a, uh, there was a vote to the referendum in,

in the netherlands about the european association agreement. and the public didn't pass it, but then the government just, well, you know, they just disregard the the, the democratic will of the people in the netherlands. 8. am i correct? am i remembering that correctly? sonya yes. yes. yes, it was the 2016. and the majority of the people said, no, we don't want you great to be far. oh, it wasn't association treaty, not yet, but you know, the for uh for this and i said no because the russian, a new crane. so they have to sold this yours and then you know, it could help you recommend them. but they say, okay, you know, we're not going to say you're not going to implement this because i would just put something in the, in the, i don't know how they manage this, but they go to the government. so we are going to say something to install the, the union that, you know, maybe did, that's, people said no,

but still we have to continue with this whole association treaty. and this is what they did. and this is the, the whole restroom system in the middle of. so this will be 2 pages. i mean, is that and that's democracy in uh, yeah, well well, you know what, we after in the wake of the gross and nonsense that we had here in russia over the weekend. um, uh, it's a, it's quite amazing anthony. and how the west continues to miss read what, what's going on in russia actually, you know, it would, there was a name paddic rejection of the cloud s behavior of this individual here. but of course, no walls or table again, where your opponents days are over. i mean this, the, you know, what they do is they come instead of stepping back and trying to understand what's going on with their looking is for ask for a mation of their own prejudices. and they certainly got it with that episode, anthony, the yes, the progression,

the 2nd trace and about the rest will be great. but the data rate, one thing costs of loss. i mean, obviously there's more to come out, but it does or the, or the rest of the security side of the system. you about this of the phones. and so the coolest people live to say, i know a lot of vacation is that. so i was taught to be my useful or how america and the, and the allies to show me, i'm going to stay safe or is the front line or to the right to decide the lies. russia as well. i'm a but he was a just to find the and the does on the line. why the people working certain countries completely misunderstand the, the russian, god forbid, anthony. let me ask you a question here. i mean, if the c, i, a, the, i mean,

the c i, a by it's profession is to lie to the public. we all know about. but having said that, they claim that they know the inner workings of what's going on in russian domestic politics. but they can't tell us who blew up the north stream pipelines. how is that policy? how can they both be true at the same time? anthony rober later today to be great. great, great, great on the side side just stopped by then all of us are going to do it. so the above back because i would say that prophecies undergoes of a whole propaganda law is. uh, i'd say thing about this comfort from russia is in the wrong 100 year crimes or the rice. and if you replace a lie, often enough is guy. but as a society, people will actually, uh, believe it,

but uh the boss in less than common physics also looked at bodies actually in the interest of lots and the well was that and for us, i mean even send the cranes and dress and it shouldn't say one thing for us i bought from a guy, but as corporations, as for those will be the consideration of this complex. and those data loss of lying guy are giving the impression release to something. so the night on coal was that the gross re, they slide, but man for they said they would come up to say bobby's police. actually each to do with put slack saying office to do for us. because of course, you train is rich and about natural resources, which table long says for love. so of course they did. a one agenda here is a plundering and it's a lot of it is already happened by the way. it was a 100 by who was 1st in line to plunder it was, it's really quite amazing weeks after the coke band. they were on the ground. all right, we're going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to

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for common ground the the welcome act across software. all things are considered, i'm peter, is about to remind you we're discussing ukraine's so called democracy. the ok. let's introduce our, our latest guest areas and so far in new john and from around he's a geo political analyst. welcome to the program of the 1st part of the burglar. we're talking a little bit about ukraine's domestic politics or in the lack of democracy. and now we have the upcoming a nato. so i'm, it didn't build this. as on it, i, i thought the only nato brought in democratic countries. so if you crane is suspending all of the like total in depth, uh, and democratic processes, what business does it have to be in nato? it supposed to be a club of nato, a democratic countries go ahead and around. well,

um, we all know that, uh, be honest with to this is that nature is not a consent with democracy. it's actually a very hostile, imperialistic organization that seeks to further the agenda of united the states by any means necessary. and to the extent that he's even willing to undermine democracy is in the european countries. of course, many people in europe are now complaining about the fact that they don't really believe that the governmental officials that the boats us for have really any reason power and their, their voice. they feel that their voice is not being heard. the process is going nowhere and the country keep engaging in this proxy warfare against you against russia and you know, their,

their budget is being sent on procure english. so there's a listing regime, which is a very corrupt regime in, in, in this fight against russia. so it was never about democracy. it was about, uh, you know, moving natal to the eastern, you know, starting the proxy war with russia and we can in the country. that's was their objective. in fact, if we even go back and we read the articles published in different uh same things like the randy institute would be know that some of the sanctions that they impose any randi word calibrating to their measures in order to be able to later on use those formulas on russia and china. so, you know, considering everything that has happened and the, the trajectory that the united states and nato countries are about moving up. we're

still reaching a certain type of cool. i can say that, you know, the double standard is clear as always, and ukraine, you credit can go to that summit and they can talk about democracy all they want. but we know the actual truth. we know that the deal is most likely is for us like this are based on incentives like the big economic resources. corey doors, you know, we can in the potential adversary's and competitors on a global market energy market and things like that. so uh i for one and many others . we don't really bites network as well, but well, i'm like, my question about democracy was up to obviously facetious and use a perfectly understood that sonya just kind of curiosity. if, if the nato believed in democracy, which we just heard, it doesn't, and i don't believe it believes in democracy. but let's just say for example, if there was an election in the netherlands, should ukraine be allowed into nato?

what do you think the populace would say, i don't care what the leads say. i mean, your leads are against farmers. the that was the leads are some of the worst people that have ever walk the earth. farmers are good people. okay. and now they want to bring in another agricultural country into nato, into the european union. my point is dear, with the public support that if, if nato actually didn't believe in democracy, go ahead. i still think they will not support is because they know that, you know, do great as a village in 2016 they told you know, to be part of the association treaty as it'd be part of the nature wrong. so they know that isn't across the country. and now they see what is happening with suspension, military operations. so the public in the netherlands now, i think the that they know that you know what is really going on. so no,

i don't think they really insane. the crating faulty and your name and nature. and then the thing, i mean nature, ok, so close to the russian border and this is what they people also see now that i mean there was somehow, i don't know if it was written or what it was. oh, but it was after the collapse of the soviet union, they said that, you know, they will not go very close to the russian federation. the this was and you see on the west is doing all the time and, and other parties, adults as a home article about 2 weeks or 2 months ago. nature actually was sent off by s s. s member. so driven, you know, from the 2nd to the next few years you, they were the founders own. and so i mean we still have these fascism in euro and maybe it vendors for a while. and um, only ex, associated republics. it depends, slowly,

but surely it's good to deserve is like in the twin. yeah. we see that all the time now and especially the people now are gaining ground repeated also with you know, the structures that you're down and everything. so and he's, you know, they would say ok i, you can do your may tell what you know the words from natal is yes, you can join. they tell only when you when the what well it. okay, that's yeah, that's what i want to go anthony. i so yeah, that was an extraordinary statement. by stilton bird they had of nato, is that you can join the club once you went about do feed russia. i mean, if you were in care of what would you be thinking, you brought us all those way, all those, what you made all these promises and you opened the door, you shut them through with the new slamming closets and say when you, when give us a call extraordinary. go ahead, anthony. which is the cause of jean. i'll see you correctly. and people are probably around what was upfront tom. she said you were a night sites,

sites at by giving some afraid of them and about to say, i'll also put moods actually use. i have nice that perhaps i don't cause you that going back inside me or we have the best of the right. you getting a cool picture of the error of i was, i'm a premier agent in the direction of the world peace, which should have tremendous old. i saw a game about last time presentation in the south side for rush. it was, was sent to your appliances your night sites. so you know, times it may have dawn, we'd go dressing politicians on the well stage. you could all game politicians here more control by our go to corporations, to guy about the public boss. we certainly have a situation where night. so its original insight and since we're surprised to be defensive on that for everybody. so a problem. yeah, yeah, yeah. they think that's

a very good point. let me go to, like, my guess is go to it ran here in the article 5, the volunteered article 5 of the nato treaty is always brought up here. but it, with the, with the nato, his behavior in wanting in the future, it will never bring in ukraine. and tonight, it's never gonna happen. i don't know why so much time is wasted on it. but we're going to, we're going to continue with the, talking about their plans. it's not, it's a violation of article one of the nato treaty. they're not supposed to be an aggressive organization inducting a country like ukraine, or moldova, or georgia would be a violation of their 1st article. but i don't even think stilton bird notes. no. so 1st article he gets takes is talking point from jake sullivan. go ahead and the ran yeah, yeah, exactly. i mean the point is that if there is no conflicts, then nature will cease to exist. the entire sea of this organization is

a live on the basis of the never ending wars. and, you know, like, going back to the topic of whether they're going to a, you know, allow you crazy join the nation organization. obviously, it is not, it's not going to happen. it was just some base that they dangled in front of. there's a lensky regime in order to newer them into this trap with the russian this and obviously they're not doing too good. the counter offensive is going very badly, very poorly. there is no clear road map as to what they're going to do and what their plan is because they have done lots of things which many security analysts with a quote to be impossible and then all your cool. but they have done it like providing the ukrainian forces with the police of uranium, which everyone, i mean, if you had off the uh, security,

and i wish they would say the nature of organization is crazy. but it's not that crazy. but now. yeah, yeah, my friend, bye bye thing, but us um, but sorry. yeah, i agree with you, but you know what? it shows their complete disregard and disrespect for the ukrainians, ukrainian soldiers and ukrainian civilian this is this a so callous? it's so cool. sonya, you know, they're fighting this proxy war, it's a ne, told proxy war against russia and ukraine is the fodder. and that's the kind of moral compass these people have pursuing this work. they don't give a hoot about ukraine. sonya, now this much and this is what they did before and sir, yeah. those good. yeah. the people that, i mean, okay. a lot of people slept to you. a part of the large majority flat to russia itself because you know, they are russian. so also they're now stations coming out to soldiers

a p o w 's. they are, you know, say all the time they were trained somehow in from ortho virginia. and you know, what they said to the 1st thing. it's not about handling weapons for training. i know they say you have to have directions. this is buried outside. well, if you want to what they are say, as you credit is our shop window shop. excellent. by showing no boss, you know these, these people understand this. they, they kill people, they killed children, elderly people, and he only wants to know a lot of them are the elderly julian models with children. big old old a man are on the trunk lines, but they don't even care about his old dish. no, they don't even have a natural. is this, why are you comfortable? vinson is going to bed. this is also what you said. no, no. so i mean it's just they don't care about people, they never did, and they never will. this is, did they? the leads the regimes. what do we have these days in the west? and we've seen with all these sanctions encounter sanctions at western elite,

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