a serial mistake and as a body sheets for the 2 main bars, and they're usually the low and the students are they? the price probably is this year's. now we have the last 4 of the administration in your administration of mr. by doing since 2021 and they have 4 main targets may be serious 1st to reduce vines, as they said. second, to maintain the minutes your ration of is use and for to the, for her having the humanitarian crisis to use the same price as in the country. and 3rd is to decide why they all want to try to explain that says key because they united hearing aids, they are a precondition as we all know. and they are, as you're not invited, they are a violating on internationally know and chapters of the, you know,

i so i think i think that i'm is when you, you go, you go back to the tragic earthquake and the past couple of buttons that are the epicenter was in so okay, but it affected northern syria very much in washington dc. open. lee was blocking. she monetary and a to go to the great victims in, in syria, allow me. so i've got very little time here, but i wanted to ask you, um, i mean, obviously when it comes to the wrong people being targeted by the us intelligence community in syria, you go back to all the years of the occupation of afghanistan and how many times did you hear of a of a wedding party, old goat farm was being blown up. i drove missile and it was supposed to be an all kind of terrace. know that kind of nonsense. but the un has now created an international body to investigate these numbers of people missing from these conflicts. it could be as high as a $130000.00. do you think the un investigation will accomplish on the thing or even pull out any culprits? as i said to you, i'm investigation is coming in the right time. lots of dynamic is happening and

there isn't scores the older food states happening between the syrian but uranium, the saudi, and the turkish now. and then there's one, it can be seen babies. crap. that they use their power and their presence in reason, especially in syria, where you send to you, but it's just enough on having you base base your baseless weight. yeah, this is that goes against all the promises to reach the farm and to flee back their soldiers on the country. so we are having america. this is worried now. it's great on the reason, on the existence here. we have many agreements happening so that you, when i think even in and a lot of times they send you a investigation it's, it's a piece of the problem that's happening in the nation. well, perhaps perhaps it's

a step in that. well, perhaps it's a step in the right direction. what, what one can only hope that the, you know, the, the, the, well, it will do its purpose or international affairs research or an analyst alignment. instead of joining us your analogy international. i wish we have more time, we really don't, but i look forward to speaking to you again sometime soon. i thank you for joining us there. and also you international apologies running out of time. so busy here at this headquarter network here in moscow, a lot of storage still to come up at the top of the hour. hope you can join us, the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. western publics are told, the collective west must defeat russia, inflict a strategic defeat on the kremlin, all in the name of democracy. meanwhile, the camp regime is announced this year is parliamentary elections and next year's presidential election is suspended so much for ukrainian democracy. the processing ukraine, so called democracy, i'm joined by my guess in the web or, and we're thing,

he is an independent political commentator. and here in moscow we have sonya event then. and as she is an independent journalist or across our girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated that to you. let me go to you 1st. i mean, i find it really quite curious to say the least and watching over the last 15 months, western of public officials coming out and say, we have to protect the mob. really. there is no democracy in ukraine. there won't be a democracy in the west. okay. we don't fight them there that will have to fight them here and we've heard it over and over and over again. then we and we hear about rather casually from the authorities in care of that well, elections are suspended right now. this is on the heels of nationalizing the media . whether it's all, it's a one monotone message. the opposition parties and opposition figures are either a and in jail house arrest or exiled in the west continues to talk

about the virtues of democracy in ukraine. your thoughts, anthony? well, this is all the sort of a clot february or have the appropriate certainly the okay i'm, i'm sure in a nice a conversation as well. um i'm, i must be remembered search. uh well, so i'm just trying to manage and i've uh, collections uh, trying to discuss kind of a sound when they type with that. um, many other countries with my welders high but elections and also have nature and signs of low, but even drawing recycle of carpet. and i make somebody, there's actually, you know, is it stays locked. so right. uh, uh, no, not to have action. so then i think the reason is the people in you trying to are dissatisfied with the southern state government. and i want to see how base and our culture. we have

a very big about 400000 data amongst the training little x ray announcing, creating very many, many more power cash it will say as i'm the easiest part of the consolidating. very, very want for you. uh shotwell and the opposition. uh, the guy the um, the site to the west country where i think so would be in assess taking the if the game surveys defending democracy side goals, that must be democracy. the cause it isn't. may i ask them being there for, for some considerable time, say, let's say what happens is that it's funny to deserving. yeah. sonya, it's very interesting. i guess we could pick, pick out 2016 with the advent of trump and brags it was the rates are very tepid these days when it comes to democracy. okay. i can remember i thought it was a british publication. i think it after breaks that is

a we have too much too much. of course the we have to, we know we need to, we shouldn't have referenda anymore. we have too much democracy. meanwhile, speed up to today. okay, we've already talked about ukraine is suspending its democratic procedures, but you have in moldova, they want to ban and mold open part of it because it's pro russian. what they never mentioned that it's probably anti government. that's why it's popular in bold area . they would, they want to start banning parties there because they're pro russian, but maybe they relapse satisfied with the government. and sophia, also the alternative for germany. it's the number to party now in germany and public opinion polls, what are your bad, my friend? they're gonna start finding reasons to band that party too, because they'll get all do it in the name of ukraine's democracy. apparently. sonya and go ahead. yes. hi. i'm interested in the need a, a very small village. somewhere in that community yet they will be election. the f

b alternative majority. so the right now, but they are afraid for a long time already. but what happened today internet is, is really, yeah, it's crazy. you know, we have also political party dad. it's for him for democracy. and already all the time they are sitting on, you know, they are right, we extreme is and so, and now they are really going to suspend the sparkling, and it wasn't hold to base yesterday in the, in the bottom it says, oh, you know, you spreading, say use the newspaper by russia. this is the 1st thing they call it, a sign in germany and you can see, oh, you are, it's, you know, all the parties who not only are you can say they are supporting old fashion. no, do. even that they have to say something bulletin or even a neutral. then they start saying, oh yeah, but you know, we have with us, you know, because you know about your eyes weighed your brain as well. so it's, yeah, it's

a democracy doesn't know the whole proceed. there's no look and see and you're anymore. i said good luck guys already i wrote about it and i hear it every day. people friends and why that have been that allows were in germany. democracy is gone, it's in everything, it's call and if you go to the suspense political parties, i mean you do, you do the same as what you love it. and then july and 1933. you for bits all position parties. what this is happening again, it's like a day to yeah, is this. ready the head, yes i was going side so that, but from we've had the situation with all the money side membership and then this become a member. but of course i have a referendum of the promise so long associated. and indeed, all these policies on your credit in russia, by some precedent countries including united kingdom. but i thought no matter what

. so as i was in the public side of the public bane, i just don't like to say on these policies. we're probably crying to russia side or 5 or the hottest deals of the arguments for various the real democracy. you have a provider and in the sonya, if i'm not mistaken, there was a uh, there was a vote to the referendum in, in the netherlands about the european association agreement. and the public didn't pass it. but then the government just, well, you know, they just disregard the the, the democratic will of the people in the netherlands. 8. am i correct? and by remembering that correctly, sonya yes, yes, yes, it was the 2016. and the majority of the people said no, we don't want you. great to be far. oh, it wasn't association treaty. not yet, but you know, the for uh for this and i said no because the russian, a new crane. so they have to sold this yours and then you know,

it could help you recommend them. but they say, okay, you know, we're not going to say you're not going to implement this because i would just put something in the, in the, i don't know how they manage this, but they go to the government. so we are going to say something to install the, the union that, you know, maybe did, that's, people said no, but still we have to continue with this whole association treaty. and this is what they do. and this is democratic, the, the whole rest room system in the middle of sunday to be betas. i mean, is, yeah, that's democracy in uh, yeah, well well, you know what we after in the wake of the gross and nonsense that we had here in russia over the weekend. um, uh, it's a, it's quite amazing anthony. and how the west continues to miss read what, what's going on in russia actually, you know, it would, there was

a name paddic rejection of the cloud misbehavior of this individual here. but of course, no walls or table again, where your opponents days are over. i mean, i did this the, you know, what they do is i can instead of stepping back and trying to understand what's going on with their looking is for ask for a mation of their own prejudices and they certainly got it with that episode, anthony. so yes, the progression was a trace of them about the com that's would be great, but data rate, wrong thing, cause of loss. i mean, office save as more should come out, but it does or did or the pressure the security side of the system. you about this of the phones and so the coolest people like to say i got a grandma, i think ations. so i was taught to be my useful or how america the, the allies to try i'm going to stay safe or is the front

line or to the right to decide, belies russia as well. i'm a but it was a i just find the and the does on the line why people working some countries completely mess um just um be the russian got so. but anthony, let me ask you a question here. i mean, if the c, i, a, the, i mean, the c i, a by it's profession is to lie to the public. we all know that. but having said that, they claim that they know the inner workings of what's going on in russian domestic politics. but they can tell us who blew up the north stream pipelines. how is that policy? how can they both be true at the same time? anthony rober later today to be on the wait, wait, $393.00 on the 5 side of the site based on all the site guns and the rates of above back because they wouldn't see that i proud to say so because of the whole

propaganda law is uh, i'd say thing about this conflict from russia is in the wrong, under your crimes or the rights. and if you replace a lie, often enough is guide. but as a society, people will actually, uh, believe it, but uh, the boss, western come physics also looked at bodies actually in the interest of lots in the walls and trash, and even boss in the cranes and dress. and it shouldn't say one's interest about from us and guy, but as corporations, as for those to be a consideration of this complex and those data loss of lying guy are giving the impression released as something so that night or cause other goals we, they slide. but man for they sit, they read them off to say, and bobby's police actually each to do with pets. faxing office it in for us

because of course are you trying to is direction about natural resources, which table long says for love. so of course they did a one agenda here is a plundering and it's a lot of it is already happened by the way. it was a 100 by who was 1st in line to plunder it was, it's really quite amazing weeks after the co, bam. they were on the ground. all right, we're gonna have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break of after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine's so called democracy and stay with our team. the the this is a southern russia and in a relatively small area between the cost, the m. c and the car, because there's mountains, you'll find in extreme

a variety of climates and nature. this is in my visions, i'm from thomas, and together we're going to discover the magic of russians republic, august, august on the welcome act, across software. all things are considered. i'm peter was about to remind you we're discussing ukraine's so called democracy the . okay, let's introduce our, our latest guest areas and so far in new john and from around he's a geo political analyst. welcome to the program of the 1st part of the burglar. we're talking a little bit about ukraine's domestic politics. so in the lack of democracy, and now we have the upcoming a nato, so i'm, it didn't build this. as on it i, i thought the only nato brought in democratic countries. so if you crane is suspending all of the like toral and depth. uh and democratic processes, what business does it have to be in nato?

it's supposed to be a club of data, of democratic countries. go ahead and around. well, um we all know that the be honest truth to this is that mitchell is not a consent with democracy. it's actually a very hostile, imperialistic organization that seeks to further the agenda of united the states by any means necessary. and to the extent that he's even willing to undermine democracy is in the european countries. of course, many people in europe are now complaining about the fact that they don't really believe that the governmental officials that need boats that's for i've really any reason power and their, their voice. they feel that their voice is not being heard. the process is going nowhere and the country keeps engaging in this

a proxy warfare against you, against russia. uh and, you know, their, their budget is being sent on procure into this, uh, there's a listing regime. this is a very corrupt regime in the, in this fight against russia. so it was never about democracy. it was about the, you know, moving natal to the eastern, you know, starting the proxy war with russia. and we can, in the country. that's was their objective. in fact, if you even go back and re read the articles published in different uh, same things like the rand institute would be know that some of the sanctions that they impose any randi word calibrating to their measures in order to be able to later on use those formulas on russia and china. so, you know, considering everything that has happened and the,

the trajectory that the united states and nato countries are about moving a horse to reaching a certain type of school. i can't say that, you know, the double ascended is here as always, and ukraine, you trade can go to that summit and they can talk about democracy all they want. but we know the actual truth. we know that the deal is most likely is force like this are based on incentives like, uh, economical resources, corey doors, you know, we can, in the potential adversary's and competitors on a global market, energy market and things like that. so i for one and many others, we don't really bites network. uh well, well i my, my question about democracy was up to obviously facetious and use a perfectly understood that's sonya just kind of curiosity. if, if nato believed in democracy, which we just heard, it doesn't,

and i don't believe it believes in democracy. but let's just say for example, if there was an election in the netherlands, should ukraine be allowed into nato? what do you think the populace would say, i don't care what the lead say. i mean, you're leads are against farmers be. that was a leads. are some of the worst people that have ever walked. the earth farmers are good people. okay. and now they want to bring in another agricultural country into nato, into the european union. my point is dear, with the public support that if, if nato actually didn't believe in democracy, go ahead. i still think they will not support is because they know that, you know, do great as they both within 2016 visuals. you know, to be part of the association treaty as would be part of the nature wrong. so they know that isn't across the country and now they see what is happening with suspension, military operations. so the public in the netherlands now, i think the, they know that you know what is really going on. so no,

i don't think they really insane. the crating faulty and your name and nature. and then the saying, i mean, nature ok, so close to the russian border and this is what they people also see now that i mean there was somehow, i don't know if it was written or wait for oh, but it was after the collapse of the soviet union, they said that, you know, they will not go very close to the russian federation. this is what and do you see on the west is doing all the time and, and other parties, adults. so home, the article about it a few weeks or 2 months ago need to actually was set up by s s. s member. so you know, in the 2nd to the nazi regime they would fall years old and data. so i mean we still have this fascism in euro and maybe it's index it for

a while and then only x associated republics in their independence. totally majority is good to the servers like in the twin. yeah. we see. does it all the time? now this pushes people now are gaining ground receivable. so if you notice that you said to down and everything, so at ease, uh, you know, they would say, okay, uh, you can do your may to what you know works from may to is yes, you can do one of natal only when you, when the one well, i don't know. okay, that's yeah, that's what i want to go, anthony. i so yeah, that was an extraordinary statement. by stilton bird they had of nato, is that you can join the club once you do feed russia. i mean, if you are in care of what would you be thinking, you brought us all those way, all those, what you made all these problem is, is you open the door, you shut them through with the new slamming closets and say when you, when give us a call extraordinary. go ahead anthony,

which is in the course of june. i'll see you currently. and people are probably around one was upfront conversations or one night sites, sites at by getting some afraid of them and about to say, i'll also put moods actually use. i have nice of apps and of course, you know, getting back inside the house, the best of the re getting a gorbachev or uh, uh, viras. i'm a premier agent in the direction of the world piece, which is a tremendous role. and uh, again about last time presentation in the south side for rush it was, was sent to your appliances your right sides. so you know, times it may have dawn. we've got the politicians on the well stage. we could all game politicians here more control by our or go to cooper or you shouldn't say don't guy about the public boss. we certainly have a situation where night so it's original it and sentences or surprises to be

defensive. the useful problem. yeah, yeah, yeah. they think that's a very good point. let me go to, i guess, is go to it ran here. you the article 5, the volunteered article 5 of the nato treaty is always brought up here. but it, with the, with the nato, his behavior in wanting in the future, it will never bring in ukraine internet. it's never going to happen. i don't know why so much time is wasted on it. but we're going to, we're going to continue with a, talking about their plans. it's an, it's a violation of article one of the nato trade, either not supposed to be an aggressive organization inducting a country like ukraine, or moldova, or georgia wouldn't be a violation of their 1st article. but i don't even think stilton burg notes notes. the 1st article he gets takes is talking point from jake sullivan. go ahead and the ran yeah, yeah, exactly. i mean the point is that if there is no conflicts,

then nature will cease to exist. the entire sea of this organization is a life on the basis of the never ending wars. and you know, like going back to the topic of whether they're going to, uh, you know, allow you trade during the nasal organization. obviously, it is not, it's not going to happen. it was just some base that they dangled in front of. there's a lensky regime in order to newer them into this trap with the russian. this. uh and uh, obviously they're not doing too good. the counter offensive is going very badly, very poorly. uh, there is no clear road map as to what they're going to do and what their plan is because they have done lots of things which many security analysts would have quotes to be impossible and meant all you cool. but they have done it like

providing the ukrainian forces with the police of uranium, which everyone, i mean, if you had off the uh, security, and i wish they would say the nature of organization is crazy. but for me it's not that crazy. but now. yeah, yeah, my friend, bye bye thing, but us on but sorry. yeah, i agree with you, but you know what? it shows their complete disregard and disrespect for ukrainians, ukrainian soldiers and ukrainian civilian this is this a so call us it's so cruel sonya, you know, they're fighting this proxy war. it's a ne told proxy war against russia and ukraine is the fodder. and that's the kind of moral compass these people have pursuing this war. they don't give a hoot about ukraine. sonya, now this match, and this is what they did before and sir, yeah, i understand. they don't know that above people that, i mean, okay, a lot of people plan to you're a part of the large majority flat to russia itself because, you know,

they are russian. so also they're now stations coming out to soldiers. a few companies, they are, you know, say all the time they were trained somehow in from ortho virginia. and you know what they said the 1st thing. it's not about handling weapons for training and know they say you have to pay the russians. this is their, you know, title if you want to, what they are say, as you credit is, are. so we're in the, you know, these, these people understand that they, they kill people, they kill children, elderly people. and he only wants to know a lot of them are the elderly children, mothers with children, big old old and that are on the trunk lines. but they don't really care about this old dish. you know, they don't even have a natural. is this, why are you comfortable? vinson is going to bed. this is also what is uh no. so i mean it's just, they don't care about people, they never did, and they never will. this is, did they?

the leads the readings. what do we have these days in the western world as well? and we've seen with all these sanctions encounter sciences at western leads, don't even care about their own people. that's also, that allows you to have as all the time we have fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guessing more than your rent and, and miles scouts. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember process the, [000:00:00;00] the,

the, or the, [000:00:00;00] the the suddenly exterior, we are cells have serious doubts about the common sense of many western leaders. they have admitted that it is they who are fighting against us not here craves rushers pop different. a mouth says western leaders like certain companies have abilities and expose themselves, so they are now in