if, if the c i a, the, i mean, the c, i, a by its profession is to lie to the public. we all know that. but having said that, they claim that they know the inner workings of what's going on in russian domestic politics. but they can tell us who blow up the north stream pipelines. how is that possible? how can they both be true at the same time anthony relatives way to be great, great, great, great, all the time and just start by then all of us are going to do dates of above back because i would say that i proud to say so because of the whole propaganda law is uh, i forget about this complex uh, rush is in the wrong under your credit, is that the right? and if you replace a lie off today, not office guy, but as a society, people will actually, uh, believe it, but uh, the boss in western countries are thoughts of looked at bodies actually in the

interest of lots and the well was that and for us i mean even was sending you crimes and try some, it shouldn't say one's interest i bought from a guy, but his corporation does for that. so be the consideration of this complex and those data loss of lying guy, you know, we are giving the impression release as something so that night, oh cool, was that the girls we, they slide for a minute for they said they would come up to say and bobby's police actually each to do with put faxing invested in for us because of course are you trying to is direction but not sure we're still all says which table long says for love. so of course they did a one agenda here is a plundering and it's a lot of it is already happened by the way. it was a 100 by who was 1st in line to plunder it was, it's really quite amazing weeks after the coke band. they were on the ground. all right, we're gonna have to jump in here. we're going to go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about ukraine's so called democracy and stay with our team. the on the, which i thought there were some openings for students to go. sluggard has done so right now let's showing they've always been telling you, getting this, the post is all the 50. is that i, that's a get a minute. come on. that's what i'm, i need, which is, and you saw on the screen. so of course i'm sure material which is in line. i'm willing to identify july. the 2nd is visit order by which will screw well in the middle of something in the we didn't present it to not look good results. ok, would you 20 in the to bundle? would you do me a solution for jordan?

i'm transform which would, which insidiously send him that process, the russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community. most all sense i'm at the same assist. you probably just be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester routing and supports the r t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you see a request for chance? the

of the, i don't see this conflict. so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and the neo powers, the the welcome back to the cross software. all things are considered, i'm peter, is about to remind you we're discussing ukraine's so called democracy

the . okay, let's introduce our, our latest guest areas and so far in new john and from around he's a geo political analyst. welcome to the program of the 1st part of the burglar. we're talking a little bit about ukraine's domestic politics or in the lack of democracy. and now we have the upcoming a nato, so i'm, it didn't build this. as on the, i, i thought the only in nato brought in democratic countries. so if you crane is suspending all of the like toral, and depth, uh, and democratic processes, what business does it have to be in nato? it's supposed to be a club of nato, a democratic countries go ahead and around. well, um we all know that the be honest truth to this is that mitchell is not a consent with democracy. it's actually a very hostile,

imperialistic organization that seeks to further the agenda of united the states by any means necessary. and to the extent that he's even willing to undermine the most to see is in the european countries. of course, many people in europe are now complaining about the fact that they don't really believe that the governmental officials that need boats us for, of really any reason power and their, their voice. they feel that their voice is not being heard. the process is going nowhere and the country keep engaging in this uh, proxy warfare against you, again for us. uh uh and you know, their, their budget is being sent on procuring this uh, there's a listing regime, which is a very corrupt regime in the, in this fight against russia. so it was never about democracy. it was about, uh,

you know, moving natal to the eastern, you know, starting the proxy war with russia and we can in the country. that's was their objective. in fact, if you even go back and re read the articles published in different uh, think things like the rand institute would be know that some of the sanctions that they impose any randi word calibrating to their measures in order to be able to later on use those formulas on russia and china. so, you know, considering everything that has happened and the tragic story that the united states and nato countries are about moving a horse to reaching a certain type of school. i can't say that, you know, the double ascended is here as always, and ukraine, you trade can go to that summit and they can talk about democracy all they want.

but we know the actual truth. we know that the deal is most likely is forced, like this are based on incentives like the big economic resources. corey doors, you know, we any potential accessories and competitors on a global market energy market and things like that. so i, for one and many others. we don't really bites network uh well, well, i'd like my question about democracy was often obviously facetious and use a perfectly understood that sonya just kind of curiosity. if, if the nato believed in democracy, which we just heard, it doesn't. and i don't believe it believes in democracy, but let's just say for example, if there was an election in the netherlands, should ukraine be allowed into nato? what do you think the populace would say, i don't care what the lead say. i mean, you're leads or against farmers be that was the leads are some of the worst people that have ever walked. the earth farmers are good people. okay. and now they want

to bring in another agricultural country into nato, into the european union. my point is dear, with the public support that if, if nato actually didn't believe in democracy, go ahead. i still think they will not support is because they know that, you know, do great as they both within 2016 visuals. you know, to be part of association tracy. that would be part of the nature wrong. so they know that this is across the country and now they see what is happening with suspension, military operations. so the public in the netherlands now, i think the, they know that you know what is really going on. so no, i don't think they really insane. the crating faulty and your name and nature. and then the thing, i mean nature, ok, so close to the russian border and this is what they people also see now that i mean there was somehow, i don't know if it was written or wait for. oh,

but it was after the collapse of the soviet union, they said that you know, they will not go very close to the russian federation. the end of this, it was indeed receive the west is doing all the time and, and other parties, adults. so home, the article about it a few weeks or 2 months ago need to actually was set up by s s. s member. so you know, the 2nd to the nazi regime. they were founders all and they told. so i mean we still have these fascism in euro and maybe it vendors for a while. and um, only s as long as republics in their independence. slowly but surely it's good to deserve is like in the twin. yeah. we see. does it all the time now? and as far as people now are gaining ground receivable. so if you notice that you sent to him down and everything. so at ease, uh, you know, they would say okay,

uh you can do your may to what you know works from may to is yes, you can do one of natal only when you, when the one. well, that's yeah, that's what i want to go. anthony. i so yeah, that was an extraordinary statement. by stilton bird they had of nato, is that you can join the club once you do feed russia. i mean, if you were in care of what would you be thinking, you brought us all those way, all those. what you made all these problem is and you open the door, you shut them through with the new slamming closets and say when you, when give us a call. extraordinary, go ahead anthony, which is in the course of june. i'll see you correctly and people are probably around what was upfront come, she said you are a night sites, sites at by giving some afraid of them and about to say, i'll also put moods actually. ready so i have nice of apps don't cause you know, getting back inside me or we have the best of the right. you getting

a gorbachev or uh, a virus. i'm a premier agent in the direction of the world piece, which is a tremendous old and uh, a game about last time presentation in the south side. so it's a rush. it was, was sent to your appliances your right sides. so you know, times it may have dawn, we've got the politicians on the well stage because dog a bowl efficiency or more control bar a our go to. ready corporations to guy about the public boss. we certainly have a situation where night, so it's original and sentences or surprises to be defensive. the useful problem. yeah, yeah, yeah, but i think that's a very good point. let me go to why my guess is go to it ran here in the article 5, the volunteered article 5 of the nato treaty is always brought up here. but it with

the, with the nato, his behavior in wanting in the future. it will never bring in ukraine internet. it's never going to happen. i don't know why so much time is wasted on it. but we're going to, we're going to continue with the, talking about their plans. it's a not, it's a violation of article one of the nato trade, either not supposed to be an aggressive organization inducting a country like ukraine, or moldova, or georgia would be a violation of their 1st article. but i don't even think stilton burg notes notes. the 1st article he gets takes is talking point from jake sullivan. go ahead and the ran yeah, yeah, exactly. i mean, the point is that if there is no conflicts, then they so it will cease to exist that entire c o, this organization is a live on the basis of the never ending wars. and, you know, like, going back to the topic of whether they're going to of, you know, allow you crazy joining the nation organization. obviously, it is not,

it's not going to happen. it was just some base that they dangled in front of. there's a lensky regime in order to newer them into this trap with the russian best. and obviously they're not doing too good. the counter offensive is going very badly, very poorly. there is no clear road map as to what they're going to do and what their plan is because they have done lots of things which many security analysts would have quotes to be impossible and meant all you cool. but they have done it like providing the ukrainian forces we decrease of uranium, which everyone. i mean, if you had off the uh, security and i was, they would say the nature of organization is crazy. but it's not that crazy. but now. yeah, yeah, by fred, by seeing the sound but sorry, yeah, i agree with you, but you know what? it shows their complete disregard and disrespect for ukrainians,

ukrainian soldiers and ukrainian civilian this is this a so callous? it's so cruel. sonya, you know, they're fighting this proxy war, it's a ne, told proxy war against russia and ukraine is the fodder. and that's the kind of moral compass these people have pursuing this work. they don't give a hoot about ukraine. sonya now this much and this is what they did before in syria, where they don't know that above people there. i mean, okay, a lot of people fled to you're part of the large majority flat to rush. i tell because you know, they are russian. so also that those patients coming out to soldiers a p o w 's, they are, you know, say all the time they were trained somehow in from ortho virginia. and you know, what they said to the 1st thing. it's not about handling weapons for training. you

know, they say you have to hate the russians. this is their, you know, title if you want to, what they are say, as you credit is our sophomore in the us. you know, these, these people, of course, in those days they kill people. they few children, elderly people and they only want to know a lot of them are the elderly children, mothers with children, big old old and that are on the drone glass, but they don't even care about this whole dish. no, they don't even have a natural this wine to come to vincent is going so bad.