so they decided to profit by selling the organs of their own dead soldiers. the those of orphans would you let us see of the one? yeah. he is lamb, i don't suppose did it to the bus up, but it just get pushed it with god. with these huge j several ways and that was in thought a lot of the, the genius to enough ways and like you to, to do bring in that. ok in the and you come when you, because over the to is you could keep them with them for doing you most of you. so when your website still seem it, but it was actually it starts maybe children's home. number one, the oldest in new guns is operational. children of own ages live here. the

that up. your call griffith tory a. much of a is the boss and of main teacher at the children's home, from the cancer dresser, affectionately as mama vehicle, kimball mazda, both of them fit, sending it to sort of thing. how can i spell it in the little going to the last one was denied me. it's go 1st. so to use that card should go i found is do you think about if i did it earlier? but i didn't know right before i said, i need to like even read the subject. still not some good to switch us to thoughts a couple of small above much of us, little ones. i'm not the back in 2014. citing the military danger. the ukrainian or authorities ordered the evacuation of all children who had lost their parents and don't bass. this is the most engaging blame of putting it on

this that somebody union would use quote or invoice. so it's really new that militia that now you teen them and that's not bad. the wheels often start went to odessa. they all finished down, their itself was run by american d. as for, if you're looking at the say 7 people that were responsible for the children, 5 or more americans. and these were people that were supporting the combat that probably sector was doing in numbers. after that, a year later in publications like perfect impulse, they were reporting the boyfriend inches in odessa, which were being supported by churches, which is this particular one. and these particular children were being

used for child trafficking. okay, so you have children missing their human trafficking. quotient is where are you going to find the black organ trait? the

i don't see this conflict as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and illness of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy or on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then you know, powers the the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. non peter lavelle, western publics are told the collective west must defeat russia, inflict a strategic defeat the kremlin ball and the name of democracy. meanwhile, the camp regime is announced this year as part of a mentor you elections and next year's presidential election is suspended so much for ukrainian democracy, the processing ukraine, so called democracy. i'm joined by my guess, anthony webber. and we're thing, he is an independent political commentator and here in moscow we have sonya event then, and she is an independent journalist. all right, cross out girls in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated after you let me go to you 1st. i mean, i find it really quite curious to say the least and watching over the last 15 months, western of public officials coming out and say,

we have off to protect democracy with there is no democracy in japan, there won't be a democracy in the west. okay. we don't fight them there that will have to fight them here and we've heard it over and over and over again. then we and we hear about rather casually from the authorities in care of that well, elections are suspended right now. this is on the heels of nationalizing the media . whether it's all, it's one monotone message, though opposition parties and opposition figures are either a and in jail house arrest or exiled, and the west continues to talk about the virtues of democracy in ukraine. your thoughts, anthony? well, this is all being kept for the clock from ray or have the appropriate certainly in the okay. um i'm sure in the upper right side conversations as well. um items must be remembered. search will also i'm sure to manage certain i've uh,

selections. uh, friday just passed on the sound were very tight with that. um many other countries with my walls and type uh, but elections. uh, and also have nature and signs of low, but even uh, try and recycle a carpet and i make uh somebody there's actually, you know, is it stays locked. so right. uh, uh no, not to have action. so then i think the reason is the people in you trying to are dissatisfied with the southern state government. and i want to see how base and our course we have that big about 400000 data amongst that you can find in little x ray. i don't know thing creating very many, many more power cash. it will say eas. i'm the easiest part of the consolidating

very, very want say, shotwell and the opposition. and the guy, the um, the site to the west country where i think so would be in this just taking the if the game. so they defending democracy side goals. that must be democracy. the because it isn't, may i ask them being there for, for some considerable time. say let's see what happens is, but it's funny to deserving. yeah. sonya, it's very interesting. i guess we could pick pick out 2016 with the advent of trump in brags it was the rates are very tepid these days when it comes to democracy. okay. i can remember i thought it was a british publication. i think it after brags that he said, we have too much too much. of course the we have to, we know we need to, we shouldn't have referenda anymore. we have too much democracy. meanwhile, speed up to today. okay, we've already talked about ukraine is suspending its democratic procedures, but you have in moldova, they want to ban and mold open part of it because it's pro russian. what they never

mentioned that it's probably anti government. that's why it's popular in bold area . they would, they want to start banning parties there because they're pro russian, but maybe they relapse satisfied with the government. and sophia, also the alternative for germany. it's the number to party now in germany and public opinion polls, what are your bad, my friend? they're gonna start finding reasons to band that party to because they'll get all do it in the name of ukraine's democracy. apparently. sonya of go ahead. yes. hi, i'm interested in the during the day. yeah. will very small village somewhere in that meeting. they will the election, the se, alternatives for germany. so the 1st real time already. but what happened today internet is, is really, yeah, it's crazy. you know, we have also a political party that it's for them for democracy. and already a long time they are saying, oh, you know, they are right, we extreme is and so,

and now they are really going to suspend the sparkling, and it wasn't hold to base yesterday in the, in the bottom and understand all you know, you spreading, say, use the newspaper by russia. this is the 1st thing they call it in germany, and you can see, oh your, it's, you know, all the parties who not only are you can say they are supporting the know, the, even that they have to say something positive or even neutral. then they start saying, oh yeah, but you know, we have is us, you know, because you know about your eyes where you're on your brain as well. so it's, yeah, it's a democracy doesn't know the whole proceed. there's no look and see and you're anymore . i said, good luck guys, really? i wrote about it and i hear it every day. people friends and why the netherlands were in germany. democracy is gone. it's in every saying, it's call. and if you go to the suspense political parties, i mean you do,

you do the same as what you love it. and then july and 1933. you for bits all position parties. while this is happening again, it's like a day to yeah, is this. ready the head, oh yes, i was going to add so that but from we've had the situation with all the money side membership and then has become a member. but of course, i never have the right to run down the road public where the problem is so low, most issue. and indeed, all these policies on the private, russia, by some precedent, countries and crazy logic can call no mandate whatsoever from the public side of the public. i've been to the side here on these policies. we're probably crying to russia. sites are 5, are the hottest deals of the arguments for various the real democracy of

a provide even of the sonya if i'm not mistaken. there was a uh, there was a vote to the referendum in, in the netherlands about the european association agreement. and the public didn't pass it, but then the government just, well, you know, they just disregard the the, the democratic will of the people of the netherlands a am i correct and by remembering that correctly sonya yes, yes, yes, it was a 2016 and the majority of the people said, no, we don't want you great to be far. oh, it wasn't association treaty, not yet, but you know, the for uh for this and i said no because the russian, a new crane. so they have to sold this yours. and then, you know, it could help you recommend them, but they say, okay, you know, we're not going to say you're not going to implement this because i would just put something in the, in the, i don't know how they manage this, but they go to the government, so we are going to say something to install the, the union that,

you know, maybe did, that's, people said no, but still we have to continue with this whole association treaty and this is what they did. and this is democratic, the middle of the, the whole restroom system in the middle of. so basically today is, i mean is, yeah, that's democracy in uh, yeah, well well, you know what, we after in the wake of the gross and nonsense that we had here in russia over the weekend. um, uh, it's a, it's quite amazing anthony. and how the west continues to miss read what, what's going on in russia actually, you know, it would, there was a name paddic rejection of the cloud misbehavior of this individual here. but of course, no walls or table again, where your opponents days are over. i mean this, the, you know, what they do is they come instead of stepping back and trying to understand what's going on with their looking is for ask for

a mation of their own prejudices. and they certainly got it with that episode, anthony, the yes, the progression, the sex ration of about the last will be 3 pound data. right? wrong thing costs are the last, i mean, obviously there's more to come out. but it does or the, or the rest of the security side of the city you about this of the phones. and so the coolest people like to say i got a lot of big cases. so i was taught to be my useful or how america and the, the allies to show them i'm going to stay safe or is of the front line or to the right to decide, belies russia as well. i'm a but he was a just fine the and the does on the line. why the people working

some countries completely misunderstand the the russian got so bad, anthony, let me ask you a question here. i mean, if the c, i, a, the, i mean, the c i, a by it's profession is to lie to the public. we all know about. but having said that, they claim that they know the inner workings of what's going on in russian domestic politics. but they can tell us who blew up the north stream pipelines. how is that policy? how can they both be true at the same time? anthony butler, there's a way to be great, great, great, great. all the time is fine. just start by then all of us are going to do rates of above back because i wouldn't say that i proud to say something because of the whole propaganda law is i'm facing about this complex uh, rush is in the wrong and are you trying to check the rice, and if you replace a lie, often main office guy, but as a society, people will actually, uh, believe it, but uh,

based on what i was saying less than common physics. also look at bodies actually in the interest of lots and the well is that and for us, i mean even send that ukraine's and dress and it shouldn't say one's interest about from a guy. but as corporations, as for those will be the consideration of this complex and those data loss of lying guy are giving the impression release or something. so the naval coal was