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believe this looks like your id searching. did you validate the i don't see this conflict uh as being one of our values. best. not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the us. the video powers, the

total is the aggressive today. i'm authorized is additional strong sanctions today . russian was the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that is constantly growing. but i think the pitch of the problem just a couple seniors. just click on anything and we'll see more in the way. we'll shift for banning all important, so rushed an oil and gas news, high res, suffering the price for another country of those lower, but the rest of the folks that as involved, the little joe biden in imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's a boomerang the the high on rick sanchez. i've been doing news down for 30 years into languages all over the world here in the united states. interviewed for president, standing

a $1000000000.00 business. i believe news to just be honest and direct and impactful, and this, by golly, is called direct impact. the mr program is about the leak, but not necessarily about the link itself. rather the way this league has been covered. i'm sure you've heard of it. somebody got ahold of some classified documents regarding the war and ukraine and other things. the documents are chuck full of all kinds of fascinating note where the news would be stuff that we don't know about, but probably should know about what all that. how does the media handle this story? watch what is your confidence level of the pentagon being able to

track down how these documents were linked in the 1st place? so much for fascinating information that we should know about, right. ok. for starters, i should let you know that me. hi, rick sanchez, i'm all 4 legs. why? because i'm a journalist. i am a journalist, i'm a reporter. you see my job is to have an adversarial relationship with the government, our government, actually all governments. my job is to find out what they are doing, that they may not want me to know or for you to know. their job is to make sure that i don't get that information so that i don't know and you don't know. so this is what's called a healthy system of checks and balances that are supposed to be working in this country of ours. and when it's done properly, we get the right results. for example, during the war in vietnam, the media found out about things. the government was doing lies exaggerations,

manipulations through leaks. they found out and thank god, it helped us put an end to the vietnam war. despite the lies. yes, lies that both henry kissinger and president richard nixon were trying to get away with it from time to name is now come out as the possible source of the time is probably gone documents. it is out of daniel salisbury, pharmacy analyst for the defense in the states department, prepared to answer the consequences of these. henry kissinger said that daniel ellsberg was the most dangerous man in america. he had to be stopped. someone helped us avoid a disaster, maybe even a nuclear war in that case, lakes and the power of us, the american people saying enough is enough. there's a documentary in fact that's out there right now. i think it's on netflix. you might want to look for it. it shows just how close we came to letting the lives

when it's called the movement and the madman, nixon's the madman. by the way, i would encourage you to check it out. it's, it's that good. and now once again, we find ourselves in the midst of a powerful weak that gives us information that we previously did not know. and this one is about the war and ukraine. and what it really is is exactly what we as citizens are supposed to know. for example, if our government has troops on foreign soil fighting a war, shouldn't we need to close that? of course we should. so our money could even be our son or our daughter over there . we better know the principle of a democracy is that we are transparent and that we share that type of information with ourselves. so barring, for example, you know, secret on how to make a nuclear bomb or some other highly secretive information by giving away the position that a soldier is in or that type of stuff. something that could endanger our lives. or many real national security, whatever that is,

everything else is fair game or should be fair get what we learned from these documents. and this latest case that no one knew about beforehand is, for example, what we've learned that quote, a small contingent of less than $100.00 special operations personnel from nato members, france, america, britain, and lot via were active in ukraine. yes. meaning, american soldiers could have been in ukraine and we didn't know about. so what that says is that we now have boots on the ground in ukraine. does that mean we're actively engaged? does that mean sort of where we're fighting russian troops, americans? my god. if that's the case, as an american citizen, we have a right to know the answers to the questions. and i would say good members of the media would want to know that as well, right? well, apparently not the, apparently they're,

they're more interested in who linked to information, which is a story. but that's not all. it's almost as if they're more interested in representing and defending our government. then they are and representing and defending us. you and me look at these stories about the lake this pedagogy leak represents the largest breach of us military intelligence. and roughly a decade, the vast majority of the documents doesn't put out there are about ukraine and also expose the extent to which do us has been able to gather intelligence on russia. there too many people with too much access to too much information about guard rails and safeguards. and i was left with more questions than answers to talk a little more about this. we're joined by the host of the whistle blowers, john kerry, uncle john. the 1st of all, let me just say it's

a pleasure to talk to you places online. really somebody in the invitation you, you're. busy the guy who represents this conversation that i just had a moment ago, probably as well as anybody else can. thank you and did it. i don't know if you've got the gist of what i was trying to say beyond the link itself and all the information. it seems to me that we have not made a conscious effort in the media to try and find out what do we know here that we need to report? you're absolutely right. you're absolutely right. the american people own this information. they have a right to know what the government is doing in their name. and the only way we find this stuff out is when somebody leaks it, for one investigative journalist is able to do his or her job and develops the information on his own. and i mentioned the vietnam moore, there have been times in our history where we have learned things that we needed to know that have kind of changed the course of history. that's right. or this document, or we and several books that i've been reading recently made me not say he would

have done it. nixon was crazy enough to actually use nukes, to make sure we won the warrant. vietnam, she actively considered it. mm hm. the only reason we know that is because thank god somebody started finding out and reporting this stuff, right, which scared us enough to say, hey, what are we doing here? and we put an end to it. well, whether, whether you're talking about afghanistan or a rock or, or now, you know the situation in ukraine, we have to ask ourselves, what are we really doing there? and we need the media to ask those questions rather than share lead. that's right. because that's what they're doing, that's exactly what they're doing. any of this, this goes to the demise of investigative journalism in the united states. i get that the news industry has changed. i get that, that paper hard copy. newspapers are having a tough struggle for me, but the 1st thing that they cut out was investigative journalism. and rather than developing sources inside the national security structure, they've come to the point where they just just whatever press release the c i a,

the pentagon gives them. and then that's the news, by the way, this kid john picture is his name. he was part of the national guard farm be, was in a chat room for gamers and in that chat room, apparently, that's where he devolves to all this information. you have to ask yourself how he had the secret security clearance anyway, but i guess he worked in the i t department, so i gave them security clearance by the way because it got stupid. yeah. but the some, the situation is the same at the see. busy the state department and the depending on where you've gotta have somebody that has access to everything because they have to have the ability to actually send out and receive everything. so they get those high clearances. they're not supposed to read the documents, they're just supposed to process them toys, but you're going to be some candidates hired, he's an ip guy, you know, he knows how to fix computers and the right, real smart kid. you know, one of those, cuz a lot of them, oh yes, he gets a job they high or they give them security clearance and he's not supposed to read them. but he has access to that in front of the world. the most sensitive reporting

that the american government has, including personnel actions. you know, if you've got an officer, let's say, here is the i istation chief overseas. and you've got an officer who is a drunk or who beats his wife, or who might be working for a foreign government. yeah. you have to report that they headquarters of course, in an ice only channel or you're not a tech guy. you're not us. and that you have to have somebody on staff who's going to actually physically send it physically put it in the encryption machine and send it to headquarters. that's the 18 year old kid with a high security clear. that's the 1st kit. i mean, he didn't do it because he wanted to change the world. he's not like, uh, you know, some of the others. we've seen that you do that you talk about on your show, whistle blowers. this guy's not whistleblower. this guy says no guy who is just putting up some credit reports as far as that's really the critical issue here. he's not a whistle blower, he's a leak or there's a legal definition of whistle blowing and forgive me if i keep repeating myself,

right? that's okay. but the definition was, the blowing is bringing to light any evidence of waste, fraud, abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. okay, now the reason that a whistle blower does that is supposed to be irrelevant. if for example, chelsea manning revealed the murder videos, huh. right. whatever her, her justification was, is irrelevant. the fact that she did it is what's relevant in this case. what jack to share revealed is fascinated yes. go ahead and it's important. i want to know if we have to find a good, i want to know, i want to know, right. a lot of this stuff it's and there is a fascinating but there's a difference between that being illegal. and that being a policy issue that he has a problem with, well, what do you mean? what do you mean by it being a legal or a part? in other words, they do, the oversight committees on capitol hill were informed that the united states is going to have special forces, boots on the ground in ukraine,

even though you and i know that that's unacceptable, as american citizens who are interested in this kind of thing. it's not actually a violation of american law. you know, it's funny. yeah. i, i get a sense that the media and going back to my profession now because it bothers me a little bit. they were doing the job of the police and the f. b i, they think they were actively searching. yeah, yeah. investigating and reporting like something they're chest. and by the way, on the wrong, i'm not saying is anything wrong with them, reporting what they learn, but they're not an investigative body and they shouldn't be acting as they should be waiting and get me information reported. but they're bringing the crap out of this kid eliminate deserves. cuz he said they've done some really good rates. stupid things. right? yeah, i get it. but it's not the job not to do. is it for me? i mean grad about it. yeah. in their own reporting, they said, well, we have this copy of a video and there's a coffee mug in the video and we're trying to identify the maker of the coffee mug

to see where it was purchased and see if we could g o. locate the source, why you're a journalist, you're not an f b i agent. it's not your job to see that this kid is cap shared and prosecuted spending it to make matters worse. he was arrested and charged in a federal court in massachusetts. the eastern district of massachusetts, not known for its uh, espionage act prosecutions. so now they're trying to transfer the case to washington, and that's fascinating, that they are looking into the guy. and i can't say that i haven't read stories and found the stories interesting about who this guy is and how some kid ended up with clearance. that's all well and good. sure. but if there's information out there that tells me that my government, who's been telling me all along, but ukraine is made up of nothing but superman. yes. and that your lender would go with the man della and that they're doing great. and they're kicking the crap out of russia, but in this report. busy the link, it says really the united states doesn't think that they're ukrainians,

they're doing so well. that's right. the things that are offensive is going to be, um, let me see, i'll read what it says here to you. forrest generation and sustain much short falls . the likelihood of such an operation being successful is not good. canada will result in modest territorial gains and that's what we learn from that information. i want to know that we have the. 7 right products, right, this is something that daniel ellsberg has been warning us about since 1971. the government always lies to us and they live.