doesn't think that their ukrainians are doing so well. that's right. things that are offensive is going to be um, let me see, i'll read what it says here to you forced generation and sustainment short falls. the likelihood of such an operation being successful is not good. canada result in modest territorial gains and that's what we learn from that information. i want to know that we have the. 7 say that's right, that's right. this is something that daniel ellsberg has been warning us about since 1971. the government always lies to us and they lied to us about the policy and then they lied to us about the success of the policy. now here we are, what 53 years later and literally nothing has changed. you know, i little, i want to bring up something else about these documents. if i could go, i was wondering for a long time until he until jack to share was actually caught you whether this was what's called an authorized leak. because every one of these stories, as it was appearing in the media, maybe administration look good. for example,

we learned from the leaks that, that the gibson government was going to sell missiles to russia. the us intervene and they ended up selling the missiles to ukraine. right. that makes map try sides . yes. and that makes the white house look so strong. and so influential the same thing about a b is riley, we're going to use really and they say i'm electrons and the south koreans and the moroccans and the cypriots. we didn't like the south korean defense minister and foreign minister. and then like magic there deposed that makes the white house look strong. and i wondered if the whole point was to leak these dock because there's nothing here that makes them look bad. no, it just reveals things that are fascinating and we are. that's right. and the point that you raised a moment ago that there's really no way that the ukrainians can be victorious and this conflict. what does that do on the west side that allows the white house to then go to congress and say, we need billions more money. what about this? so what if instead that the people inside the,

by the ministration are finally realizing this is a loser? and if he stays out this whole ukraine thing, it's going to make fewer people want to vote for him because nobody really likes a war. and the, yeah, and uh, and it's not one of those wars that makes you look like a war president, you know, no bush did with the iraq. so maybe there secretly trying to see if they can kind of deescalate the but that's, that's a good point. now we're under a lot of pressure from the chinese, from the turks, and even from the united nations, to at least encourage the ukrainians to good and go shooting table. something for the russian government has been urging for a long time and we keep saying, no, no, no, there aren't going to be any negotiations. but maybe the purpose of leak is just test public opinion to see if the american people want us to get to the negotiate that is fascinating. so that's why the way the media treats the story has a hell of a lot to do with how the american people react. you stay right there, young man, because i want to continue talking about this with you. but by the way, i have a pod cast, whereas a journalist as a lot to you know, as an entrepreneur, i tell my stories and i share

a lot of stuff with you about wins and losses as well, including the stuff that like john and i are talking about here right now, it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to go and check it out, especially some of the last episode that we've done. they're pretty cool. when we come back, we're going to talk a little more about what's going on in china. in particular. how is china related to this league story and ukraine? well, it is, and we're going to tell you how see right there, the the, [000:00:00;00]

the which i thought there were some openings to students. the sluggish north carolina mutual funds come to look. you agree, mr. late. the post is all the at the is that i, that's a get a minute come. other things i need, which is easy to saw on the screen. so of course to ensure material which is in

line and someone in id like to lock up, the game is oregon, which will screw well in the middle of something in the we did present it to not revisit the results. ok. between you and nick, to bundle, would you do me a solution for sure and i'm comfortable that much which which insidiously sent him the . hey, welcome back. i'm rick sanchez in a series of lease documents, filled with the interesting stuff among the most interesting of the stuff that is what we learned about china. so it appears according to the documents that china was warming up to russia all along and was being very supportive, even though it said it was neutral. the report also signals that in u. s. terms,

china was willing to provide russia with, quote me full aid. i think of patients, that's a word they use legal aid and even goes so far as to disguise that legal aid as humanitarian and not intended for defense. now that's fascinating, right. joining us once again is john kerry ok you? he's a former entail officer and host of whistle blowers. thanks again for being with us . my pleasure. what you think of the whole thing with china and the us apparently is saying that the chinese are giving a to russia. i found it ironic that the united states would be angry. yeah, go ahead. is it where do you even begin with something like this is the fact of the matter is that the united states provides legal aid in every one of these kinds of conflicts all around the world. a lot of it, a lot of it all over the world. we could count in dozens of country. amen. afghanistan and libra, syria. libby. uh, i mean, we could go off right now ukraine and now ukraine. so let's say that this is true,

that the chinese are providing legal aid to russia. so what, that's not a violation of international law, and that's an international commercial transaction. big deal. i think what the united states is far more worried about is that the chinese has made serious inroads into what for 70 years has been us a gemini in the middle east beginning in the middle east and this is going to spread. now the chinese just recently negotiated the resumption of diplomatic relations between the saudis and the iranians. yes, this is something that the u. s. has stood stead fastly against the saudis. me, ronnie is hate one another. we want them to hate one another. we don't want them to cooperate and to improve relations. what happens next when the chinese get acceptances to their offer to mediate between russia and ukraine? yeah. then there's a lot of conversation with zalesky and he said auditors functionally. yeah, exactly. they had what, what both sides described as

a productive phone call it. but here's the thing though, john and maybe we need to take a step back because you and i sometimes we read this stuff every day and after a while it goes over or has been, you know, serious. so you just said something that has me thinking, i'm really concerned as a citizen of the world. china is giving legal aid to russia to use against soldiers in ukraine, who are getting legal aid from our country. yes. do that worries me. it's bad love and are totally what is the thing here? sounds like world war for can 3. it does. it sounds very much like to the vietnam war, where the russians and the chinese were cooperating on one side, the united states and nato were cooperating on the other side. and we had essentially a proxy war. but it was in reverse because we were the ones who were bogged down and we were, that never seemed to end. this isn't something that's new, this is something that's been done for, for generation the week. but, but, but going back to the thing on the point i made at the beginning, i'm

a journalist that i want to know new information yet because i'm not going to put out there. maybe i can get a better understanding. that's right. i'm not saying i know that this happen for all we know that china did not give lisa lade, correct? this document has a leak where somebody in some embassy somewhere, some tashay. that's right. send it to somebody. and that's how it got into this document. and now it's having me and you have a conversation about it, which we show it to me because it is true that china is a, is doing the opposite of what it's saying. and it's not really that neutral. and it is giving it to, to, to, to the russians. this thing could be a conflagration, not just a regional, could get out on hand correctly. yes. see this is, this is one of those situations where both sides have to have to work hard to not overreact to, to news like this, right? the united states, let's say the united states genuinely believes that china is, is providing legal aid to russia. ok. we've noted it, what you do then is you make

a diplomatic march. you said you're in bass that are in beijing, into the foreign ministry and say we protest in the strongest possible terms. this contract providing legal aid. that's what you do. you don't send a carrier battle group into the taiwan strait and, and send an, a wax plane along the border and overreact. it just makes it worse. so why do we do stuff like that all the time? is a political because way, by the way, and i'll just pick on joe biden, but, you know, every reason he does, he's an old dude. looks really weak and he looks, he needs to look strong on. so he's going to send point, right? yes, yeah, good point. yes, easy that's, that's an important point that you're making. this is not specific to joe biden. every president does this, every president wants to look strong and wants to look tough. and at the same time, the united states far more so than russia or china needs to,

to reinforce the notion that this is a unipolar world, not a multi polar world. that we have the final say in the international structure. and by god we want to keep it that way and very quickly that's beginning to spin out of the us as has it. i, you know, i've had to get it recently on this show sitting on this who told me just the opposite. he said, that's good, we need to keep that uni poor environment. we need to be in charge and we need to let the russians and the chinese and the iranians, and the indians and everybody else out there know that, you know, we're, we're the bad since we're the ones who matter. i would disagree strongly with that because i think multi polarity keeps us safe. for example, in uh, syria. okay, the us has a true presence in syria. it's not huge, but it's a true presence. that true presence is a violation of international law. there only 3 ways that a country can send troops to another country, legally. it's at the invitation of that country. it's if that country has attacked

you. and it's that the invitation. and with the approval of the united nations security council, we don't have any of those 3 things. the russians do. the russians have been invited into syria by the internationally recognized government in damascus. there is a difference. there's a big difference whether you that automatically makes it multi polar. now, why hasn't the us attacked brochure? i said, why haven't these really is attacked by charlotte side. because the route the russians will respond and the russians can respond legally because they've been invited to do so, that's how multiplicity makes the world save just from what you're reading. final question, do you think there's a possibility that we will see some kind of compromise in ukraine based on all these meetings? we're seeing that. so lensky is now undertaking with, for example, she absolutely yes. for a couple of reasons. first of all, we know from these documents that there just aren't enough ukrainians to go around

. yeah. they're just going to run out of people at the end of the day. number 2, rapids. not enough weapons. number 3, the american people are rapidly getting tired of financing. this thing, this is costing us a fortune. we have bridges that are falling into the rivers below them. we have the international airports that are, that are international embarrassments. we have schools that are in dire need of repairs. we have international, i mean, interstate highway systems that are just designed before. the thing is, i don't think it's going to be a winner politically. i agree with him by the administrative. i agree with continues in the way that instead of just the american people really care. and i mean, at the end of the day, really, how many people in united states got a phone you're creating a map a year ago. exactly. and you, sir, are a pleasure to have on let's do this again. okay, i look forward to that very much. thanks for have really appreciate a job. all right, so we appreciate you as well for coming here and talking to us and you know what? we try to do here is have

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the i don't see this conflict, so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and illness of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers, the unity and those of income children's ombudsman in the new guns people's republic is

investigating cases of missing children associated with his or not. that is to see him just of the sort of it is a dss. them just for pitching out and it's really that that's going to come up and just give them like a normally don't put people on your grandson elementary school. but again, the g. i'm done in the center, but i'm really am. i am going to show as little as collateral, and that is point 9 in school. but she had to put things that would mean that there was somebody that move to switch any districts and moving to swing by and introduce