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including general business executives, attorneys, and even activists. but nothing is worked. there's something deeply wrong about the culture within veterans affairs. we only know about it, thanks to whistle blowers, i'm john kerry onto and welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 in 2018 for police officers from the us department of veterans affairs went public with allegations of waste, fraud, abuse, and illegality in the sprawling department that is supposed to take care of americas veterans. v a police officers are responsible for protecting the property, staff, veterans, and visitors. they cover v a property all across the united states, conducting patrols, responding to calls, including calls about suicide will patients and investigating crimes. those 4

officers found evidence indicating that their supervisors covered up false reports, covered up for corrupt officers, and fairly promoted people in the forest with whom they were having affairs, and performed numerous acts of favoritism. they had side businesses in violation of ethical codes and they engaged in discrimination, gross mismanagement, and overtime pay fraud. when they reported their findings to senior officials, rather than those officials acting on the information they targeted these 4 officers. almost immediately, there were problems with their pay. they received poor performance evaluations and they were transferred to desk duty while long term investigations against them played out. as we say to frequently on this show, what happened was exactly the opposite of what was supposed to happen. were joined today by one of those v. a police officers, tim petoskey. tim, thank you so much for being with us. we're glad to have you an honor to be here.

tim, tell our viewers a little about yourself. how did you get involved in law enforcement? especially in federal law enforcement and how did you end up at the department of veterans affairs? i'm sure you. so i've, i'm, i've been a comp for a very long time. i often joke that i'm, i'm upset for anything else. i retired from the union support organization and then i started looking for something to do is sort of that dead space between retirement, where you're still young enough to get out and do the job. but you've passed your 1st milestone, your job to retire from the 1st department. and so i accidentally discovered that the department of veterans affairs actually had a police officer. so i was surprised to find that out initially. and so 2009, when i retired from the states side, i took a job with the va for that reason. originally i did my thought was this was going

to be a retirement good. i. i couldn't envision that law enforcement at a hospital would be that detailed. and so i figured it would be a good place for me to kind of to my shields until all my retirements settled out and i was still in the army reserves. so i figured, you know, this was a good place to, to come. and so i've been working since the eighty's. i worked street crimes in florida in those years. um, and i've been military intelligence officer for quite a few years. and m. p in the army and in the air force for a few years as well. so that's pretty much all i've done with my life. wow. boy scouts. yeah, it is right. you had been at the va for a long time. you're a professional. you know the rules and then you started seeing things that were just wrong. tell us about that and about what you did when you saw these things. well, originally, like i said, i drive in 2009 by 2010. i kind of looked around and i was like, wait a minute,

especially in what we called level one who facilities like out here in seattle or detroit or boston. it is not just being a hospital. com. there's a lot of stuff it goes on in those facilities and the agency here in seattle is woefully understaffed. your officers are wearing a hand me down 2nd chance best, but we're out of date, the radio system didn't work all kinds of stuff. and i almost just walked off the job. i almost just put myself in the bag and walked out the door. and at the front of my name, rob ad, it was assaulted so bad that you'll never be accomplishing. wow. and he laid a pool of his own blood screaming over those radio systems that can work. and um, and we couldn't find them. and so i looked a friend of mine, and joe murphy, the fellow officer. and the days after rob's assaults,

we just go to the, in the i, and so what are we going to do? and joe said to me and my, my brother's keeper. hm. and those words, i just sent me like a lightning bolt. and that's because joe was a young guy, she was starting his tour. i'm at the end of mine, right. like my, the ability for the view to harm me is marginalized by the fact that i, my career is science who lives in many respects. joe was stepping up in an environment where the vehicle could ruin his ability to be a comp forever. and so it was a, it was an integrity check, you know, and so i had to step forward and joe, and i did we, especially those initial years. it was just joe and i against the world. and he moved on to the federal protective services and went on with his career. and i stayed at the v a u side of the story of the new story where the for, i was want tell that, but i, i've done public several times before that. and after that story, it was, at least there was a hit list that was you read by the, the

a my name's on it and they call me the ring leader or the police national. and while i bear that like a badge of honor. um that's right. i don't know how to being that is, but i'm by more than willing to own it. and so it's been a pretty long road and this is my 1st interview. yeah. well i, i'm thrilled by that. i'm thrilled by it. this is important. you made protected whistleblower complaints. there are laws to deal with this kind of thing. where are you working? were you working together with the other officers on these issues or were you reporting independently of one another and then sort of came together later. yes. to books. so i worked my own issues, there were officers who were absolutely, i'm afraid it's for their careers to come forward. so they would send me the

information. i would divide it and collect it and then i would file the complaints for them. some folks, uh jeremy balls and out of the washington d. c. b a. we kind of encountered each other because they had list we were going through that list. i'm like, wait a minute. i heard this guy and he and i started talking and they were actually doing all the same things in dc that i was doing independently of me and unknown to me until the help us came out. and then we started coordinating, of course, from that point forward so. so yes to both. so tell us what happened once you blew the whistle you've said, or at least i've seen accounts in the press saying that you were given poor performance evaluations. you were put on desk duty while you were investigated, for example. tell us about that. and what else uh, happened to you for sure. well, the effects of that was in december. they fired. oh, my gosh. yeah, support. yeah, you're going with this part. so that was, it was to prolonged the 1st was that i was working a case in which

a veteran had stated that he had contracted with someone to kill his wife. i was working that case with municipal agency, the federal police department, and i shared information to the, the under the exceptions to the law. and they fired me because they say that those exceptions to the law don't exist. that's their entire case. the 2nd problem was they didn't like an email communication and a facebook post that i made as a union steward on official time under the direction of the union. good career. and so the, the 2 aspects to the, to my term to december's termination are truly for tutors. and that's, that's something that, that kind of, you have to highlight about the, the, you hear a lot of people talk about the incompetence and they do it with the kind of, you know, the meaning to be insulting or to take

a job at the da da is truly incompetent at every level and it's, it's worth taking a moment to just think about that and understanding that they can't even abuse their authority in a competent manner. it's not like why it was a street crow copper, some of the other people you've had on the show legitimately, with getting disappeared in a very precise and tactical america. they can't do that. they'll try it, but they're going to mess it up and they're going to leave a paper trail and there's going to be an email or, you know, something of the kind because these are the we have uh, when i say we, i'm talking about to be promoted these and confident players to higher and higher levels. and then the echo chamber sort of seals that in. and you have this is truly st. this. it's like the stanford prison experiment exercise. just, you're not as, as out of hand maybe or more out of hand in some respects,

one of the results of whistle blowing is the isolation. and the loneliness that comes along with it. what was it like for you? you were forced onto the desk duty, how did your friends and colleagues at the v a respond where they supportive. did you have any other support from inside the organization? oh, cool. yeah. so again, i, this is sort of like my, my 3rd life as a copyright. so i, i have a friendship network and i got some really, really good advice all the way back in 1988. i see.