and he was part of the national guard party, he was an a chat room for gamers. and in that chat room, apparently that's where he devolves to all this information. you have to ask yourself how he had the secret security clearance anyway, but i guess he worked in the i key department, so i gave him security clearance by the way because it got stupid. yeah, but the soon the situation is the same at the see. busy the state department and it's kind of gone where you've got to have somebody that has access to everything because they have to have the ability to actually send out and receive everything. so they get those. hi clearances. they're not supposed to read the documents. they're just supposed to process them toys, but you're going to read some candidates, hired, he's an i t guy, you know, he knows how to fix computers. right. real smart kid. you know one of those because a lot of them, oh yes. he gets a job. they hire and they give them security clearance and he's not supposed to read them, but he has access to the parts of the world, the most sensitive reporting that the american government has, including personnel actions. you know, if you've got an officer, let's say,

here is c, i a station chief overseas and you've got an officer who is a drunk or who beats his wife or who might be working for a foreign government. yeah. you have to report that they headquarters of course, in an ice only channel or you're not a tech guy. you don't know how to send that. you have to have somebody on staff who's going to actually physically send it physically put it in the encryption machine. and send it to headquarters. that's the 18 year old kid with a high security clear. this is this kid. i mean, he didn't do it because he wanted to change the world. he's not like, uh, you know, some of the others we've seen that you do that you talk about on your show whistle blowers. this guy's not whistleblower. this guy says no guy who is just putting up some crap as far as that's really the critical issue here. he's not a whistle blower, he's a leak or there's a legal definition of whistle blowing and forgive me if i keep repeating myself, right? that's okay. but the definition was, a blowing is bringing to light. any evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality,

or threats to the public health or public safety? okay, now the reason that a whistleblower does that is supposed to be irrelevant if it, for example, chelsea manning revealed the murder videos. uh huh. right. whatever her, her justification was, is irrelevant. the fact that she did it is what's relevant in this case. what jack to sheer revealed is fascinated yes. go ahead and it's important. i want to know if we have to find a good i want to know. i want to know, right, a lot of this stuff it's, and there is a fascinating but there's a difference between that being illegal and that being a policy issue that he has a problem with. well, what do you mean? what do you mean by it being a legal or a part? in other words, the oversight committees on capitol hill were informed that the united states is going to have special forces, boots on the ground in ukraine, even though you and i know that that's unacceptable. as american citizens who are interested in this kind of thing, it's not actually

a violation of american law. you know, it's funny. yeah. i, i get a sense that the media and going back to my profession now because it bothers me a little bit. they were doing the job of the police and the f b i. they think they were actively searching. yeah. investigating and reporting like something they're chest. and by the way on the wrong, i'm not saying anything wrong with them. reporting what they learn, but they're not an investigative body and they shouldn't be acting as they should be waiting and getting the information reported. but they're bringing the crap out of this get and follow them and deserves cuz he, he said they've done some really good re stupid things. right? yeah, i get it. but, but it's not the job. the job to do is it for me, i mean grad about it. yeah. in their own reporting, they said, well, we have this copy of a video and there's a coffee mug in the video and we're trying to identify the maker of the coffee mug to see where it was purchased and see if we could g o. locate the source, why you're a journalist, you're not an f

b i agent. it's not your job to see that this kid is cap shared and then prosecuted spending it to make matters worse. he was arrested and charged in a federal court in massachusetts. the eastern district of massachusetts, not known for it's a espionage jack prosecutions. so now they're trying to transfer the case to washington. and that's fascinating, that they are looking into the guy. and i can't say that i haven't read stories and found the stories interesting about who this guy is and how some kid ended up with clarence. that's all well and good. sure. but if there's information out there that tells me that my government, who has been telling me all along, but ukraine is made up of nothing but superman. yes. and that you'll enter, you go with them and della and that they're doing great and they're kicking the crap out of russia. but in this report that he leaked, it says really the united states doesn't think that there ukrainians are doing so. well. that's right. things that are offensive is going to be, um, let me see, i'll read what it says here to you forced generation and sustainment shortfalls.

the likelihood of such an operation being successful is not good. canada result in modest territorial gains and that's what we learned from that information. i want to know that we have the right products, right? this is something that daniel ellsberg has been warning us about since 1971. the government always lies to us and they lied to us about the policy and then they lied to us about the success of the policy. now here we are. what 53 years later. and literally nothing has changed. you know, i little, i want to bring up something else about these documents. if i could go, i was wondering for a long time until he until jack to share was actually caught you. whether this was what's called an authorized leak. because every one of these stories as it was appearing in the media, maybe administration look good. for example, we learned from the leaks that, that the gibson government was going to sell missiles to russia. the us intervene

and they ended up selling the missiles to ukraine, right? that makes map try sides. yeah. s. and that makes a white house look so strong and so influential. the same thing about a b is right. we're going to use really and they said the lesbians and the south koreans in the moroccans and the cypriots. we didn't like the south korean defense minister and foreign minister, and then like the magic there deposed that makes the white house look strong. and i wondered if the whole point was to leak these dock because there's nothing here that makes them look bad. no, it just reveals things that are fascinating and we are. that's right. and the point that you raised a moment ago that there's really no way that the ukrainians can be victorious and this conflict. what does that do on the west side, that allows the white house to then go to congress and say, we need billions more money. what about this? so what if instead of that the people inside the, by the ministration or finally realizing this is a loser? and if he stays out this whole ukraine thing,

it's going to make fewer people want to vote for him because nobody really likes a war in the end. uh, and it's not one of those wars that makes you look like a war president, you know? no bush did with the iraq, so maybe there secretly trying to see if they can kind of deescalate the but that's, that's a good point. now we're under a lot of pressure from the chinese, from the turks, and even from the united nations, to at least encourage the ukrainians to good and go shooting table. something for the russian government has been urging for a long time and we keep saying, no, no, no, there aren't going to be any negotiations. but maybe the purpose of leak is just test public opinion to see if the american people want us to get to the negotiate that is fascinating. so that's why the way the media treats the story has a hell of a lot to do with how the american people react. you stay right there, young man, because i want to continue talking about this with you. by the way, i have a pod cast, whereas a journalist as a lot to you know, as an entrepreneur, i tell my stories and i share a lot of stuff with you about wins and losses as well, including the stuff that like john and i are talking about here right now,

it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to go and check it out, especially some of the last stuff episodes that we've done. they're pretty cool when we come back. we're going to talk a little more about what's going on in china. in particular. how is china related to this league story and ukraine? well, it is, and we're going to tell you how see right there, the the yes session over the law right now. moving up, i give a shit, a position associated with the local church. so certificate of boulevard too much and watch coolers, which was a john bullshit. so the southern, the cause of the room when the gym, the one to know heart,

that of all our other choose, control the impression of the suffering needs for you. press the transfer which is kind of charlotte. see what the number was somewhere else. let me put this thing up so let me just plug in something i will start slowing charter, legit, daughter? get on your new north sheriff service in law school. good from uh, but it says total k, i believe this looks like you did you validate the i don't see this conflict. so as the one over a values, that's not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and illness of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as

really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and the new powers, the ok welcome back. i'm rick sanchez and a series of lease documents filled with interesting stuff. among the most interesting of the stuff that is what we learned about china. so it appears according to the documents of china, was warming up the russia all along and was being very supportive. even though it said it was neutral, the report also signals that in u. s. terms, china was willing to provide russia with, quote me full aid. i think of patients, that's a where they use legal aid and even go so far as to disguise that legal aid as humanitarian and not intended for defense. now that's fascinating,

right. joining us once again is john kerry, he's a former intel officer and host of whistle blowers. thanks again for being with us . my pleasure. what do you think of that whole thing with china? and the us apparently is saying that the chinese are giving a to russia. i found it ironic that the united states would be angry. yeah, go ahead. where do you, we would begin with something like this. the fact of the matter is that the united states provides legal aid in every one of these kinds of conflicts all around the world. a lot of it, a lot of their people all over the world. we could count dozens of country eman, afghanistan, and libya, syria libby, uh, i mean, we could go on right now, you crate and now ukraine. so let's say that this is true, that the chinese are providing legal aid to russia. so what, that's not a violation of international law that's an international commercial transaction.

big deal. i think what the united states is far more worried about is that the chinese have made serious inroads into what for 70 years has been us a gemini in the middle east. the beginning of the middle east, and this is going to spread. now the chinese just recently negotiated the resumption of diplomatic relations between the saudis and the iranians. yes, this is something that the u. s. has stood stead fastly against the saudis. me, ronnie is hate one another. we want them to hate one another. we don't want them to cooperate and to improve relations. what happens next when the chinese get acceptance as to their offer to meet a between russia and ukraine? yeah. they just had a conversation with zaleski and he started out as far as the lead. yeah, exactly. they had what, what both sides describe does a productive phone call it. but here's the thing though, john and maybe we need to take a step back because you and i sometimes we read this stuff every day and after a while it goes over or has been, you know, serious. so you just said something that has me thinking and really concerned as

a citizen of the world, china is giving legal aid to russia to use against soldiers in ukraine, who are getting legal aid from our country. yes. do that worries me. it's bad luck that are totally live around here. it sounds like world war for can 3. it does. it sounds very much like the vietnam war, where the russians and the chinese were cooperating on one side, the united states and nato were cooperating on the other side. and we had essentially a proxy war. but it was in reverse because we were the ones who were bogged down and where that never seemed to end. this isn't something that's new, this is something that's been done for, for generation the week but, but, but going back to the thing, i'm the point i made at the beginning. i'm a journalist and i want to know new information. yeah. because i'm not going to pull it out or maybe i can get a better understanding. that's right. i'm not saying i know that this happen for all we know that china did not give legal aid, correct?

this document has a leak where somebody in some embassy somewhere, some tashay. that's right, that it to somebody. and that's how it got into this document. and now it's having me and you have a conversation about it, which we showed me because it is true that china is a, is doing the opposite of what it's saying. and it's not really that neutral. and it is giving it to, to, to, to the russians. this thing could be a conflagration, not just a regional, to get out on hand quickly. yes. see this is, this is one of those situations where both sides have to have to work hard to not overreact to, to news like this, right? the united states, let's say the states genuinely believes that china is, is providing legal aid to russia. ok. we've noted it, what you do then is you make it the full amount of march. you said you're in bass that are in beijing, into the form industry and say we protest in the strongest possible terms. this contract providing legal aid. that's what you do. you don't send

a carrier battle group into the taiwan strait and send an a wax plane along the border and overreact. it just makes it worse. so why do we do stuff like that all the time? is it political? because why? by the way, and not just pick on joe biden, but you know, every reason he does, he's an old dude. looks really weak and he looks, he needs to look strong. so he's going to send point, right? yes, yeah, good point. yes. easy that's, that's an important point that you're making. this is not specific to joe biden. every president does this, every president wants to look strong and wants to look tough. and at the same time, the united states far more so than russia or china needs to, to reinforce the notion that this is a unipolar world, not a multi polar world. that we have the final say in the international structure. and by god we want to keep it that way and very quickly that's beginning to spin out of

the us as has it. i, you know, i've had to get it recently on this show sitting on this side who told me just the opposite. he said, that's good, we need to keep that uni poor environment. we need to be in charge and we need to let the russians and the chinese and the iranians, and the indians and everybody else out there know that, you know, we're, we're the bad since we're the ones who matter. i would disagree strongly with that because i think multi polarity keeps us safe. for example, in uh, syria. okay, the us has a true presence in syria. it's not huge, but it's a true presence. that true presence is a vi at least some international law. there only 3 ways that a country can send troops to another country, legally. it's at the invitation of that country. it's if that country has attacked you. and it's that the invitation. and with the approval of the united nations security council, we don't have any of those 3 things. the russians do. the russians have been

invited into syria by the internationally recognized government in damascus. there is a difference. there's a big difference whether you that automatically makes it multi polar. now, why hasn't the us attacked brochure? i said, why have these relays attacked by charlotte? i said, because the, the russians will respond and the russians can respond legally because they've been invited to do. so that's how multiplicity makes the world say, just from what you're reading final question. do you think there's a possibility that we will see some kind of compromise in ukraine based on all these meetings? we're seeing that. so lensky is now undertaking with, for example, she absolutely yes. for a couple of reasons. first of all, we know from these documents that there just aren't enough ukrainians to go around . yeah. they're just going to run out of people at the end of the day, number 2, rapids and not enough weapons. number 3, the american people are rapidly getting tired of financing. this thing,

this is costing us a fortune. we have bridges that are falling into the rivers below them. we have the international airports that are, that are international embarrassments. we have schools that are in dire need of repairs. we have international, i mean, in interstate highway systems that are just does that. the 4th thing is, i don't think it's going to be a winner politically. i agree with them by the administrative. i agree with continues in the way that it's center to the american people really care. and i mean, at the end of the day, really, how many people in united states could have found you creating a map a year ago? exactly, and you, sir, are a pleasure to have on let's do this again. okay, i look forward to that very much. thanks for having really pre shaded job. all right, so we appreciate you as well for coming here and talking to us. and you know, what we try to do here is have a conversation because we really think that we should not live in silos. ah, the truth doesn't live in silos. the truth doesn't learn in boxes and neither should we. so check us out. check out my podcast the rick sanchez podcast. i will

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[000:00:00;00] the french cities once again become cold runs of rage over the fade. so police shooting of a 70 on youth on choose day. almost a 1000 people have been invested overnight. the ukranian showed that landed on this house, struck the kitchen directly. at least 9 people injured off to a town in the republic comes of the ukrainian shedding and broken news became a festival suspends the french television news channel. claimants likes objectivity . as following

a report it made on rebel groups in the country. the just going to mid date in moscow this saturday mine is peach of scouts and welcome to 30 minutes of news analysis. bradley joiners, almost 1000 people have been arrested over nights in front about says rage continues to boil over nationwide over the face. so police shooting of a scene of al julian descent on tuesday in speaking it had all the expected trouble on friday nights, the country's interior minister said the coming hours would prove decisive. 45000 offices were deployed to confront the rights for just as loans, fireworks on smoke bombs of police damage buildings and set fire to cause. so far report suggests more than $200.00 offices have been injured in the process of this

voltage shows looted and vandalized stores in the central city of lee on this has demonstrates his costs with offices after a rally against police violence was bundled across the country. 31 police, they could stations with targets it overnights, while an office of a french financial services company. it was run science vices, it must say, lead to the guns don't store hunting rifles. meanwhile, presents a manuel macro and as opposed to some of the responsibility of both being happening on parents and social networks. people really and by calling the parents to be responsible, it is the parents' responsibility to keep them at home. and so it's important for the calm of everyone that parental responsibility is for the exercise. and i called on the sense of responsibility of mothers and fathers, incident platforms and social networks are playing a considerable role in the movements of these past days. we saw and several of them snapped track take talk and several others by some vine and gatherings, being organized in a sort of copycatting of violence. this among the youngest leads to a sort of escape from reality. we sometimes have the feeling that some of them are

living in the streets of the video games. the vin talks to kate at them. helpless coal science professor of california state university. how much so he, he believes the issues that have led to, through the current crisis have been rooted in funds for some time now. and this is not the 1st time that the french had been conduct on this for the you had put them on notice back in 2012 and it sticks to the kind of policies that the disagreement, i guess people have come. and so it's frankly is also true. busy in the colonial mentality, and that seems the friendship particularly or how it is, have enough or gotten to where we're that are we can see how the present themselves when visit. he visits african countries. it's always this was a monster. snobbish. a good on yours. uh, uh,

colonial literature that we've seen from him in several of his stops these in obviously the congo and other other places. so in a sense, it's a system problem. the french have, have to deal with that are 60 cases that have been the same as this was not you uh, the victim a became. so it's not to you and a message has always been seen to blame all those. i'm not too deep boots of the problem and we, we don't know to the phone lines of the wall and you claim 9 people have been wounded after the tone of a yes and no, that's all you and the done. yes, good agent came on to ukrainian showing us these roman costs are repulsed from the science of utah in the hills early couple that lives here in this house survived. miraculously, the ukrainian shell that landed on this house struck the kitchen directly.

and both of the, both of them there were in the house at that point. thankfully, their kids and their grandkids were in the next, at the time of shedding. at this moment, the house is completely burned down and is destroyed, the young repair thought, i knew it wasn't the garage when the selling started strike close the door to the garage and the door was crush. my wife yelled for me. she wasn't the bedroom where the ceiling have collapsed on her. i went out through the garage window and pulled her out. the explosion was instantaneous. as soon as it seemed the house, everything went out at once. the house is completely destroyed with all of them. according to officials, ukraine fired several rounds bowl from still good made multiple launch rockets, systems and natal made 155 millimeter habits. there's now this one, this is a shelf from grad multiple launch rockets system. it landed right in the middle of

the street right next to the kindergarten, which is only about 50 meters away. well, should i have on the, after the 1st wave of showing, i went out to see if anyone needed help. i met a neighbor and while we were talking, the 2nd wave of showing began. i lay down in the grass and he fell right beside his car. if his car wasn't there, he wouldn't have been so lucky. you and father sent a hose at the time of the assess showing my son was in the room at home, and my husband was at the car. i told my son not to leave the house a shelf. so here my cell go to either a piece of shop, no gloss in his hand. he's in the hospital now. my husband was also injured on his arm. what should we do now? the city of use in nevada is adjacent to the landscape, comes under constant ukrainian, shedding nearly every house here. every apartment building every bus stop. every hospital is full of fish, wrapped all holes or houses or destroyed just like this one. however,

local residents are still willing to live here in hope that this conflict will and very soon and be useful. finally, come per month, cost for emergency don't ask for public la civilian in for so to continues to come under shutting vs and void to the un says the west is not the only fun thing is weapons insecure is training is false as to a stem curriculum. looks like they've west is now known any pumping weapons into the key. avery team relentlessly, but also training the ukranian forces and they are not see battalions on each territories. is providing the ukranian army with intelligence for the purpose of instructing. and even authorizing strikes specific targets with weston weapons. at the same time, it is a saturday diligently. the western countries not involved in the conflict with russia is not just a minute issue. and ukraine k of would like you to join them in turning a blind eye to the facts, but numbers don't lie. and according to a recent poll,

only 43 percent of ukraine year respondents currently living in ukraine. se not these or neo nice. the id l a g is not widespread in the country, but when pulling ukrainians living abroad, that number decreased to 36 percent pointing to the fact that those who have left the country see nights as a, as a bigger problem for ukraine. furthermore, when questioned if the revolution of dignity in ukraine during 20132014 could be considered a could at the 29 percent of ukrainians within the country live. but in fact, was one of those who live abroad were much more willing to call the event as to know it is prudent to approach these poles like many others conducted, missed the ongoing conflict in ukraine with caution. after all, they usually exclude the regions that recently became a part of russia, as well as the queen is residing in other parts of russia,

while ignoring the potential influence of desirability, bias, and fear. furthermore, it is no more the that ukrainian president blood, the result. lensky himself does not shy away from stimulate confirming reports that link b is solved to tell you to not the id ology is off. battalion that is said to be nazi affiliated organization, operating as a militia in your country. so said to be committing their own atrocities as also it was one of those of many battalions. the key of will need you, they are what they are. it appears that neither of them has indeed found a breeding ground in ukraine and is not just russia that notice that this sentiment has been e code by numerous western institutions over the years. raising the alarm about the is solved and utilize the power military group. notably the us house of representatives has admitted in the past that the post school regime in ukraine has heavily relied on the assistance of knives, the forces,

to execute its violence campaign against ethnic russians. i am grateful that the house of representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to insure the military does not train members of the repulsive neo nazi as a battalion along with 1000000 measures to keep the dangerous and easily traffic mine potable air defense systems. out to these unstable regions, however significant shift in the western node of occurred in february 2022 within months as all fighters with being states as in congress semen, stanford university. i'm s, and they sees wound over ukrainian soldier who switch account overflowed with me. you now to images facebook made this taunting decision to allow post praise in the as of battalion, even though the company admitted that he was a hate group. this overnight normalization of white supremacy was possible because west and institutions driven by zeal to ignore allison negative about our ukrainian