who in his ability to be a cons forever. and so it was a, it was an integrity check, you know, and so i had to step forward and joe, and i did we, especially in those initial years, we've just joined, i against the world. uh and then she moved on to the federal protective services and went on with his career. and i stayed at the v a u side of the story of the new story where the 4 hours went public. but i've, i've gone public several times before that. and after that story, it was, at least there was a hit list that was read by the a my names on it. and they call me the ring leader or the police national. and while i bear that like a badge of honor, um that's right. i don't know how big that is, but i'm by more than willing to own it. and so it's been a pretty long road and this is my 1st interview. yeah. well i, i'm thrilled by that. i'm thrilled by it. this is important. you made protected

whistleblower complaints. there are laws that deal with this kind of thing. where are you working? were you working together with the other officers on these issues, or were you reporting independently of one another and then sort of came together later a yes to bucks. so i words my own issues. there were officers who were absolutely, i'm afraid it's for their careers to come forward. so they would send me the information. i would divide it and collect it and then i would file the complaints for them. some folks uh jeremy balls and out of the washington d. c, b a, we kind of encountered each other because they had list we were going through that list. i'm like, wait a minute, i heard this guy. and he and i started talking and they were actually doing all the same things in dc that i was doing independently of me and unknown to me until the headless came out. and then we started coordinating, of course, from that point forward. so. so yes to both. so tell us what happened once you blew

the whistle you've said, or at least i've seen a counsel in the press saying that you were given poor performance evaluations. you were put on desk duty while you were investigated. for example, tell us about that and what else uh, happened to you? sure. well the effects of that was in december, they fired down. oh my gosh. yeah, support. i yeah, you're going with this part. so that was, it was to prolonged the 1st was that i was working a case in which a veteran had stated that he had contracted with someone to kill his wife. i was working that case with a municipal agency, the federal police department, and i shared information to the, the under the exceptions to the law. and they fired me because they say that those exceptions to the law don't exist. that's their entire case. the 2nd problem was they didn't like an email communication and a facebook post that i made as

a union steward on official time under the direction of the union. good career. and so the, the 2 aspects to the, to my term, to december's termination. are there truly for tutors and that's, that's something that, that kind of you have to highlight about to be a, you hear a lot of people talk about the incompetence and they do it with a kind of, you know, the beginning to be insulting or to take a job that the da da is truly in comp attempt at every level and it, it, it's worth taking a moment to just think about that and understanding that they can't even abuse their authority in a competent man. it's not like whatever the street crow copper, some of the other people you've had on the show legitimately with getting disappeared in a very precise and tactical mer via can't do that. they'll try it, but they're going to mess it up and they're going to leave a paper trail and there's going to be an email or, you know,

something of the kind of because these are the we have uh, well, when i say we, i'm talking about to be, have promoted these and confident players to higher and higher levels. and then the echo chamber sort of seals that in. and you have, this is truly st. of this. it's like to stand for present experiment exercise. just, you're not as, as out of hand maybe or more out of hand in some respects, one of the results of whistle blowing is the isolation. and the loneliness that comes along with it. what was it like for you? you were forced onto desk duty? how did your friends and colleagues at the v a respond where they supportive did you have any other support from inside the organization? oh, yeah, so again i, this is sort of like my, my 3rd life as a copyright. so i have a friendship network and i got some really,

really good advice all the way back in 1988 senior deputy at the sheriff's department. i worked for a told me straight out. he said, tim, if you're going to do this job, get a get a hobby that doesn't have anything to do with law enforcement and get friends that aren't cops. and there was something i took to heart and i just, i carry that through the year. so i kind of had this network established a prior to that, but i'm pretty well known. and so when they transferred me out of police services in into the transportation division, there were a lot of people who found me on the side walk away from the year where they couldn't be overheard offered their support, their gratitude i, i'll get a facebook messages from time to time, just your notes of encouragement and they are absolutely critical. jackie, derrick wrote this wonderful book about the psychological effects. yes. of the read seems to be subcategories, but every single piece of blower should immediately fall under that. ca,

to like without question, somebody to change them all that we need because of that psychological damage. yeah, i'm just fortunate enough that i planned for the the, that was, that was really very forward thinking we were speaking with the department of veterans affairs. was the blower, tim petoskey, about problems inside the sprawling federal government. we're going to take a short break and come back with more of this conversation, which is stressful. stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the

. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers i'm going through! yahoo! were speaking with tim petoskey, whistle blower from the us department of veterans affairs. tim, thanks again for being with us. is always tim frank cervical, the famed whistleblower from the early 19 seventy's. new york police department is a friend of mine. one of the things frank has always been very clear about is that corruption only exists in police departments when police leaders allow it to exist . frank also has been clear that he had very little support from other police officers when he made his revelations. you've said that other police officers in

the va are afraid, and when a whistle blower engages the da's leadership, the va attacks, the officer. these attacks tend to be effective and the majority of cops are afraid of losing their jobs and it being attacked in the same way as the whistleblower is attacked. i can tell you that this is also true and national security. the goal of those protecting the wrongdoers is to frighten, would be whistle blowers so that they remain silent. tell us about what you went through immediately after you made your revelations. what was it like inside the va? sure. well, i think the worst was, was definitely um, at the very beginning when joe murphy and i made our original disclosures they, uh they were, they were using the was our traffic cameras to follow as to and from work with the intent to harassing us about you know, showing up on time or not um, anything that they could fabricate. uh,

they attempted to besmirch jose professional reputation when he applied for a p us and an attempt to abrogate his security clearance of the anything you can think of at some point in time they, they, i went for an entire month without pay months because they couldn't get their pay worked out in my or was the only $1.00 by the way. right. but they pay me for an entire. um, you know, you said uh something and one of your other uh, um cas about integrity versus honesty and integrity being something about self and honesty but you know something we project for others. i'd also, i'd like to talk to you off of that and suggest that there is an institutional integrity. right. that the integrity of the individuals in those leadership positions bring, which is what i think frank circle with which by ways one of my person sherise. and this thing about intrinsic value and then agencies,

professional integrity and the intrinsic value, but that breeds for the agency or lack there of. and that's exactly this, this situation with the da, where they attacked me, they attacked joe, they tried to project that abuse of authority in a grandiose manner with this sort of a chest pounding. but what we can get away with, which is the i the acid in my termination case, that is, that is precisely what they are trying to transmit to the workforce, which is the back of us and shut off. right? and we've seen that in the unit number of our, our stores have resigned. we are having all kinds of difficulties in getting back regular support. and we've got numerous cases that the federal relations authority that are focused back on the agency. and i have personally one upwards, i think either 4 or 6 unfair labor practices while from the up since january of this year. because the agency has been so in bold. and uh,

by my termination. while here, there seems to be a theme here where you should be able to rely on your, on your union to support you. and it's not just you, it's, it's both inside and outside government. and there they're just really isn't much in the way of support from the union. one of your colleagues also told the media that revelations that the 4 of you made were not taken seriously and were not acted upon. um, usually that's not the case. usually they'll target you try to get rid of you and then quietly implement the changes that you demanded in the beginning. why would the officials engage in a cover up when it would be so much easier just to work with you and make these changes? sure, well it gets back to that, that incompetence rate is big so steep. they don't know how to do that. but there's also layers and like in the, in the, in my world, back in the day i,

and we've been around for a little while anyway. back in the map days and you had the, the acetate and use to do the layers. right. and you build up a picture, right? so one of those layers is this thing about, uh, uh, some of the dangers within the hospital setting that the grandiose. but what am referencing here are actual serial killers that operate inside of medical facilities of all kinds. now there's a wonderful book by 3 sacrament called behind the murder trick that focuses specifically on the da's problem in this regard. and one of the things that she touches on in his book is that the serial killers operate it to be a do. so at the age that are known to have a 41, police forces, why staff, please cetera. so this is in there's been some netflix videos and things like that . this is a 4 story for hospital administrator. so the last thing they want is for something like this to get out. and then they have to deal with the kind of panic that comes

from it. but as you know, getting ahead of the story is how you deal with those critical elements. but to be so incompetent, they have nothing in their toolbox to deal with that complex reality. and they can't even handle something like that. in c, i see. right, right. seattle was one of the only organizations in the state of washington habits terminals pulled because of the incompetent handling of the n c icy system. right? it's similar to walk in the door. i'd say, if you've ever worked with these people in the united state of washington there and write a retractable, they get, they tell you what's going on, how they want it when they want it. it's, you know, i love my brothers and sisters in the infantry but isn't an infantry guy could get this done right? but the v a can't. right? and so how is it going to deal with is incredibly complex situations that you do have to deal with is the hospital administrator. when your competency level is so low, you can't handle, you know, something like making sure there's enough paper for the fact each one of the

tactics that the v a used against you and against the other whistle blowers is, is through the use of your medical records your medical records were illegally access to hundreds of times. i was shocked when i read that in the case of one of your colleagues, he stopped demand for speeding on the grounds of a v. a facility. that man happened to be a v, a psychologist, and the psychologist threatened the officer over the speeding ticket. in the end, the officers medical records were also illegally access 100 times and he was unable to be promoted. presumably you have legal representation to try to guide you through this awful experience. but what is your lawyer say about this kind of illegal retaliation? when, when a psychologist, because you're giving them a, a speeding ticket can pull your medical records and leak them and use them against you. it's so patently illegal. how do you deal with for even worse than that

because that particular case that you're talking about, that psychologist was of a clinical psychologist. not a forensic psychologist. we have, i said, estimates every year. they're done by francis ecologist, not kind of a psychologist and the clinical psychologist had to get sort of google boy into the system to even look at that officers case to begin with, let alone accessing his, his records and things like that. but one of the things that we learned with, i've learned definitely over my time with the da's the, we already cabinet level agency. and that's one of the things that kind of, it's brought me up short. i don't know how many times and it's just taking me, it's taking me quite a while sometimes to wrap my head around it because we are on the same tier is the department of justice. mm hm. um, you know, i looked a little bit of tractor story from the embassy a and i, i, it, it blew my hair back. but one of the things in listening to your story is that the, the v thinks they are the see i, it, they believe,

and they act with that kind of a density as if they can just make up something and who's going to make us do anything different and to a large degree there, right? we have to follow the department of justice policy or direction. we're a cabinet level cr agency. and so does the v a have to follow the law? i something i told to congress all the time because if you don't have an enforcement model, you don't have a law. if there's nothing there that says dell shuttle or i will spank you, the v is just going to do what about right, right. ways to save the c a all the time. it's better to act now and ask for forgiveness later. so you, i may have those words, right? so you mentioned earlier in the show that you're no longer at the v a i'm, i'm hoping that you still have

a width of lowercase pending. so where does your case stand now? it seems like there's been no real changes. no, no interest from capitol hill? no satisfaction for the whistle blowers what happens next for you. so because on the union representatives, the national via council sent me a lawyer and we are taking my cases to arbitration. now the reason why is because the merit system protection board decides 97 percent of the cases for the agency. 97. wow. percent are they were trying to justify that last session before congress and their, their lot logical reasoning if you can call it that is, is, is, is cartoonish as well. so my cases are set for later this year. and it is going to have to stand in front of an arbiter and an attempt to justify what their position is. however, their attorney is a board certified. and so if they're,

if the age of the case is going to continue to be that the law isn't the law, that's going to be a really interesting outcome for that particular lawyer. but the highlight that i want to make here is that if it were not for arbitration, i just be getting the water. right. because it has to be isn't gonna help me. right? they're going to decide for the agency. this has happened to other vehicle the sprague, they've got to work their way through the system, you know, and i think you've experienced this yourself and it was a cost benefit analysis rate. and if the agency can run that cost up, at some point in time, those offices are going to walk away because it's just, it's to monitor really expensive. it's too emotionally expensive, it's true psychologically expensive. and to be a rest. that's how they've gotten away with this for so many tickets. just crazy. well i, i would like to thank our guest in petoskey, not just for being here with us today, but for allowing us to be his 1st interview. thanks for that. and thanks to our viewers for joining us, sometimes when a police officer is given maximum power,

he bears minimum responsibility. that's why it's incumbent on the rest of us to support those brave officers who stand up in the face of waste, fraud, abuse, or illegality. they are the ones to keep the honest people honest. they are the ones who eventually we'll re route out corruption. they're the ones who are deserving of our support and our respect. i'm john kerry. aku thanks for watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the

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the from missouri to the world. this is on the it is going to have your company today. my name is what i was told on more than 1300 people. i've been arrested overnights in front of public outrages continuing to intensify nationwide over the fatal police shooting of a teenager. i'm due in december. the 3 year end of the size in trouble on friday night. the country's interior minister, the size of the company hours would prove decisive. $45000.00 officers were deployed to confront the rights process as low as fireworks and smooth ones that police damage, buildings onset fires to cause so far result say,

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a sort of copycatting of violence. this among the youngest leads to a sort of escape from reality. and we sometimes have the feeling that some of them are living in the streets of the video games. the vin talks a k to them. we find itself medical science. so 5 side california state university who believes the issues that have led to the con glasses to be rooted in fonts for some time. this is not the 1st time that the offense had been contact on this for the a you had put them on notice back in 2012 and it sticks to that kind of policies that to discriminate against people of color. and so it's frankly is also . busy in the colonial mentality, and that seems the friendship, particularly the alternatives have enough to or gotten to wherever that, or we could see how the present themselves when visit a visit to african countries. it's always, this was a monster,

snobbish. a good on yours, colonial literature that we've seen from him in several of his stops these in obviously the congo and other other places. so in a sense, it's a system problem. the french have, have to deal with that are 60 cases that have been the same as this was not you a victim a became. so it's not to you and a message has always been seen to blame all those time. not to cause a deep thoughts of the problem. moving to the fun life now 9 people wounded as a town and the dentist when vision came under you planning, shutting off the is a robot. cost of the report for the sites of the of that in the hills early couple that lives here in this house survived. and miraculously,

the ukrainian shell that landed on this house struck the kitchen directly. and both of the, both of them there were in the house at that point. thankfully, their kids and their grandkids were in the nest at the time of shedding. at this moment, the house is completely burned down and is destroyed the young repair. but the, i knew it wasn't the garage when the selling started astray, close the door to the garage and the door was crush. my wife yelled for me. she wasn't the bedroom where the ceiling have collapsed on her. i went out through the garage window and pulled her out. the explosion was instantaneous. as soon as she the house, everything went out at once. the house is completely destroyed with all of them. according to officials, ukraine fired several rounds bowl from still get made multiple launch or rocket systems, and natal made $155.00 millimeter habits. there's now this one, this is

a shelf from grad multiple launch rockets system. it landed right in the middle of the street. right next to the kindergarten, which is only about 50 meters away. well, i should update all of them. uh, after the 1st wave of showing, i went out to see if anyone needed help. i met a neighbor and while we were talking, the 2nd wave of showing began. i lay down in the grass and he fell right beside his car. if his car wasn't there, he wouldn't have been so lucky. you and father sent a hose at the time of the assess showing my son was in the room at home, and my husband was at the call. i told my son not to leave the house a shelf. so here my cell, good either a piece of shop, no gloss in his hand. he's in the hospital now. my husband was also injured on his arm. what should we do now? for city of use in nevada is adjacent to the landscape comes under constant ukrainian, shedding nearly every house here,

every apartment building every bus stop. every hospital is full of fish, wrapped all holes or houses or destroyed just like this one. however, local residents are still willing to live here in hope that this conflict will and very soon and be useful. finally come per month, costs for emergency donuts. republic to the head of one of key is largest. one of the 3 says you play and security officials offered him the deal by as if he knew that says the claim author of charge, which is ancient times to refine suppose the transition of his modesty to a different organization. connected with keys lead the ship outlets of o. as in pablo, refused to do saying he's done nothing wrong. he was speaking in a quoting keys or a judge extended his con house arrest until the end of all this. back in april he was charged with and so i think we were just hatred and justifying what cubicles russian russian, just as a guy few clients present savanski,

propose the bill to move the celebration of christmas data on the catholic kind of instead of the traditional orthodox well, you said the russian ideal is including in religion the hadn't been imposes on ukrainians. the move was positive, a crime found by keith only for an officer of church which is traditionally ties to most care. monks announce inhibited from entering the heave chest. love rock and others is they the most of the but mostly within the next 3 days, we have an academic and gymnast jason, michael says the persecution against the charge by keys on government has been ongoing for at least 5 years. there's no mention of this because this is part of an ongoing propaganda campaign where and the broadest of all possible sensors. the ukranian regime was being given a blank check by. ready a total of the european union and the united states. what

was happening to the ukranian orthodox church is an ongoing persecution. it's concerning that metropolitan pothole has been under how you start asked them that this has been going on since last april, behaving this. of course, we can trace this by can want to follow up to 2018 when the ukrainian government and t as assaulted as i liked of parliament as a, as a government moved to remain the church. and it's very rare, particularly in any state pretending to be a liberal democratic states, to use an act of parliament for subjects to change its name, to reflect some form of incentives for the legion, you know, to put into parenthesis. the most cool patriarchy, you know, this would be a can, you know, during perhaps world war 2 when, but it was. ready or was idols and has allied miscellany to re label the catholic

church in england. vitale and catholic church was often instead of looking at 5 so her suspended the bro, costing rights of a french television town. lightning. it is right of false information about the crisis in the country. the frank shadow, lashan and 4 is responsible for the consequences of the serious violations by broad costing, from information about looking at a fast so the book can be superior accounts. so for communication is suspending the program, so the tv channel la shannon full from the packages of any paid audio visual service distributor for a period of 3 months and book a file. so it looks like for us as hopes and dreams to stay in between the foster and good books that have gone down the drain once again. and this off to the west african nations need to recreate to suspended with immediate effect. french television, l. c. i full broad costing false information on the security situation and the can

see already so i'd be able to tell her was not the decision did come following