things were you working together with the other officers on these issues or were you reporting independently of one another and then sort of came together later. yes. to box. so i worked my own issues. there were officers who were absolutely, i'm afraid it's for their careers to come forward. so they would send me the information. i would divide it and collect it and then i would file the complaints for them. some folks uh uh, jeremy balls and out of the washington d. c. b a. we kind of encountered each other because they had list we were going through that list. i'm like, oh wait a minute, i know this guy. and he and i started talking and they were actually doing all the same things in dc that i was doing independently of me and unknown to me until the headless came out. and then we started coordinating, of course, from that point forward. so. so yes to both. so tell us what happened once you blew the whistle you've said, or at least i've seen accounts in the press saying that you were given poor

performance evaluations. you were put on desk duty while you were investigated. for example, tell us about that and what else uh, happened to you for sure. well the, the uh, agent. so that was in december. they fired. oh my gosh. yeah, support. i agree with this part. so it was, it was to prolonged. the 1st was that i was working a case in which a veteran had stated that he had contracted with someone to kill his wife. i was working that case with a municipal agency, the federal police department, and a shared information with the them under the exceptions to the law. and they fired me because they say that those exceptions to the law don't exist. that's their entire case. the 2nd problem was they didn't like an email communication and a facebook post that i made as a union steward on official time under the direction of the union. good,

great. and so the, the 2 aspects to the, to my term, to december's termination are truly gratuitous. and that's, that's something that, that kind of, you have to highlight about the, the, you hear a lot of people talk about the incompetence. and they do it with a kind of, you know, the beginning to be insulting or to take a job at the da da is truly incompetent at every level. and it's, it's worth taking a moment to just think about that and understanding that they can't even abuse their authority and a competent man. it's not like why it was a street crow copper, some of the other people you've had on the show legitimately with getting disappeared in a very precise and tactical america via can't do that. they'll try it, but they're going to mess it up and they're going to leave a paper trail and there's going to be an email or, you know, something of the kind because these are the we have uh, when i say we,

i'm talking about to be promoted these and confident players to higher and higher levels. and then the echo chamber sort of seals that in. and you have this is truly st. this. it's like the stanford prison experiment, etc, is just, you know, not as, as out of hand maybe or more out of hand in some respects. one of the results of whistle blowing is the isolation. and the loneliness that comes along with it. what was it like for you? you were forced onto the desk duty, how did your friends and colleagues at the v a respond where they supportive. did you have any other support from inside the organization? oh, cool. yeah. so again, i, this is sort of like my, my 3rd life as a copyright. so i, i, i have a friendship network and i got some really, really good advice all the way back in 1988, a senior deputy at the sheriff's department. i worked for told me straight out. he

said tim, if you're going to do this job, get to get a hobby that doesn't have anything to do with law enforcement and get friends that aren't cops. and it was something i took to heart and i expect carry that through the year. so i, i kind of had this network established a prior to that. but i'm pretty well known. and so when they transferred me out of police services and into the transportation division, there were a lot of people who found me on the side walk away from the year where they couldn't be overheard offered their support, their gratitude i, i'll get a facebook messages from time to time, just your notes of encouragement and they are absolutely critical. jackie, derrick wrote this wonderful book about the psychological tracks. yes. of the read seems to be subcategories, but every single piece of blower should immediately fall under that. ca too. but without question, somebody to change them all that we need because of that psychological damage. yeah,

i'm just fortunate not that i planned for it. yeah. that was, that was really very forward thinking. as we're speaking with department of veterans affairs, what's the blower? tim petoskey, about problems inside the sprawling federal government. we're going to take a short break and come back with more of this conversation, which is stressful. say, tune. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the i don't see this conflict, so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and illness of the russian population in russian leadership there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as

really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then you know, powers the welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john korea. we're speaking with tim petoskey, whistleblower from the us department of veterans affairs. tim, thanks again for being with us. is always tim frank cervical, the famed whistleblower from the early 19 seventy's. new york police department is a friend of mine. one of the things frank has always been very clear about is that corruption only exists in police departments when police leaders allow it to exist . frank also has been clear that he had very little support from other police officers when he made his revelations. you've said that other police officers in

the v a are afraid. and when a whistleblower engages the da's leadership, the va attacks, the officer. these attacks tend to be effective and the majority of cops are afraid of losing their jobs and it being attacked in the same way as the whistleblower is attacked. i can tell you that this is also true and national security. the goal of those protecting the wrongdoers is to frighten, would be whistle blowers so that they remain silent. tell us about what you went through immediately after you made your revelations. what was it like inside the va? sure. well, i think the worst was, was definitely um, at the very beginning when joe murphy and i made our original disclosures they, uh they were, they were using the was our traffic cameras to follow as to and from work with the intent to harassing us about you know, showing up on time or not um, anything that they could fabricate. uh,

they attempted to besmirch jose professional reputation when he applied for a p, as in an attempt to abrogate his security clearance of the anything you can think of at some point in time. they, they, i went for an entire month without pay months because they couldn't get their pay worked out in my or was the only $1.00 by the way. right. but they pay me for an entire. um you said uh something and one of your other uh, um cas about integrity versus honesty and integrity being something about self and honesty but you know something we project for others. i'd also like to talk to you off of that and, and suggest that there is an institutional integrity. right. that the integrity of the individuals in those leadership positions bring, which is what i think frank circle was again, which by ways one of my 1st i'm sure is 9. and this thing about intrinsic value and agencies,

professional integrity and the intrinsic value that that breeds for the agency or lack there of. and that's exactly this, this situation with a d, a where they attacked me, they attacked joe, they tried to project that abuse of authority in a grandiose manner with this sort of a chest pounding. but what we can get away with, which is the audacity in my termination case, that is, that is precisely what they are trying to transmit to the workforce, which is the back of us and shut off. right? and we've seen that in the unit number of our, our stores have resigned. we are having all kinds of difficulties in getting back regular support. and we've got numerous cases at the federal relations authority that are focused back on the agency i've, i've personally, one upwards, i think either 4 or 6 unfair labor practices while from the up since january of this year. because the agency has been so in bold, and by my termination,

while you're there, seems to be a theme here where you should be able to rely on your, on your union to support you. and it's not just you, it's, it's both inside and outside government and there they're just really isn't much in the way of support from the union. one of your colleagues also told the media that revelations that the 4 of you made were not taken seriously and were not acted upon . usually that's not the case. usually they'll target you try to get rid of you and then quietly implement the changes that you demanded in the beginning. why would the officials engage in a cover up when it would be so much easier just to work with you and make these changes? sure, well it gets back to that, that incompetence, right? is that so steep? they don't know how to do that. but there's also layers, you know, like in the, in the, in my world back in the day or, and we've been around for

a little while anyway. back in the map days and you had the, the acetate and use to do the layers. right. and you build up a picture, right? so one of those layers is this thing about, uh, uh, some of the dangers within a hospital setting that the grandiose. but what am referencing here are actual serial killers that operate inside of medical facilities of all types. now there's a wonderful book by brew, sack them, and called behind the murder turn, that focuses specifically on the da's problem in this regard. and one of the things that she touches on in his book is that the serial killers operated to be a do. so at the age that are known to have a $41.00, police forces, why staff, police cetera. so this is in, there's been some netflix videos and things like that. this is a 4 story or hospital with ministers. the last thing they want is for something like this to get out. and then they have to deal with the kind of panic that comes

from it. but as you know, getting ahead of the story is how you deal with those critical elements. but to be so incompetent, they have nothing in their toolbox to deal with that complex reality. they can't even handle something like that. in c, i see, right. the seattle was one of the only organizations in the state of washington habits terminals pulled because of the incompetent handling of the increased the system. right. it's similar to walk in the door. it's if you've ever worked with these people in the united state of washington there, and we try to get, they tell you what they want, how they want it when they want it. it's uh, you know, i love my brothers and sisters in the infantry, but it isn't an infantry guy could get this done right. but the v a can't. right. and so how are they going to deal with this incredibly complex situations that you do have to deal with? is the hospital administrator. when your competency level is so low, you can handle, you know, something like making sure there's enough paper for the fact each one of the

tactics that the v a used against you and against the other whistle blowers is, is through the use of your medical records your medical records were illegally accessed hundreds of times. i was shocked when i read that. in the case of one of your colleagues, he stopped demand for speeding on the grounds of a v, a facility. that man happened to be a v, a psychologist, and the psychologist threatened the officer over the speeding ticket. in the end, the officers medical records were also illegally access 100 times and he was unable to be promoted. presumably you have legal representation to try to guide you through this awful experience. but what are your lawyers say about this kind of illegal retaliation? when, when a psychologist, because you're giving them a, a speeding ticket can pull your medical records and leak them and use them against you. it's so patently illegal. how do you deal with frank?

or even worse than that because that particular case that you're talking about, that's psychologist ways of a clinical psychologist. not a forensic psychologist. we have a system, it's every year they're done by parentheses ecologist, not kind of a psychologist and the clinical psychologist had to get sort of google boy into the system to even look at that officers case to begin with, let alone accessing his, his records and things like that, but one of the things that we've learned with, i've learned definitely over my time with the da's that we are a cabinet level agency. and that's one of the things that kind of, it's brought me up short. i don't know how many times and it's just taking me, it's taking me quite a while sometimes to wrap my head around it because we are on the same tier is the department of justice. mm hm. um, you know, i looked a little bit tight. your story from somebody ca and i, i, it, it blew my hair back. but one of the things in listening to your story is that the, the v thinks they are the see i or they believe. and they act

with that kind of a das city. as if they can just make up something and who's going to make us do anything different and to a large degree there, right? we have to follow the department of justice policy or direction. we're a cabinet level cr agency. and so does the v a have to follow the law? i something i probably to congress all the time because if you don't have an enforcement model, you don't have a lot. if there's nothing there that says del shelton or i will spank you, the v is just going to do what about right, right. ways to save the c a all the time. it's better to add now and ask for forgiveness later. so you, i may have those words, right, so you mentioned earlier in the show that you're no longer at the v a i'm i'm hoping that you still have

a whistleblower case pending. so where does your case stand now? it seems like there have been no real changes. no, no interest from capitol hill, no satisfaction for the whistle blowers what happens next for you? so because on the union representatives, the national via council sent me a lawyer and we are taking my cases to arbitration. now the reason why is because the merits, as the protection board decides 97 percent of the cases for the agency, 97. wow. percent. they were trying to justify that last session before congress and their, their lot logical reasoning, if you can call it that is, is, is, is cartoonish as well. so my cases are set for later this year. and then it is going to have to stand in front of an arbiter and an attempt to justify what their position is. however, their attorney is a board certified. and so if their,

if the case is going to continue to be that the law isn't the law, that's going to be a real string outcome for that particular lawyer. but the highlight that i want to make here is that if it were not for arbitration, i just be getting the water. right. because it must be be, isn't gonna help me. right? they're going to decide for the agency and this has happened to other vehicle the sprague, they've got to work their way through the system. you know, and i think you've experienced this yourself. there is a cost benefit analysis rate. and if the agency can run that cost up, at some point in time, those offices are going to walk away because it's just, it's to monitor really expensive. it's too emotionally expensive, it's too psychologically expensive. and to be a rest. that's how they've gotten away with this for so many tickets. just crazy. well i, i would like to thank our guest in petoskey, not just for being here with us today, but for allowing us to be his 1st interview. thanks for that and things to our viewers for joining us. sometimes when a police officer is given maximum power,

he bears minimum responsibility. that's why it's incumbent on the rest of us to support those brave officers who stand off in the face of waste, fraud, abuse, or illegality. they are the ones to keep the honest people honest. they are the ones who eventually we'll re route out corruption. they're the ones who are deserving of our support and our respect. i'm john kerry echo, thanks for watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 the acceptance, and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do, do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have

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that video to keep the list of over but huge, but they use the brands that even once again become cold, was afraid over the face of police. suzanne on a 17 year old news on tuesday, all the 1000 people loving power rested the night. the ukrainians show that landed on this house from the kitchen directly at least 9 people. i wounded a ukrainian of somebody that's out of town and the public process suspends a function to the news channel saying it's the lex,

objectivity. we have from levels are fed up with father media and the west african country it isn't working a bit well known, what is happening here in that territory and the french, they don't know clearly what is happening. as we have already signed agreements with russia, it's better that we continue with russia and continue with our defense and security forces and origin. see the use is the chinese alonzo. the 1st sciences settled positives. i imagine that in line with the rising global fundamentals, diesel, arising the inside of the company today for the latest level news roundup. i'm run to mommy and this is all the international. well, the 1300 people have been arrested overnights in fonts. public outrage is continuing to intensify nationwide over the faithful police shooting with teenager

of out here and just sent the speak here head over the space a trouble on friday nights of the countries in 2 minutes. a said look, coming out as would prove decisive president michael. meanwhile, postpone his state visits. jimmy, due to the situation that time. $45000.00 offices were deployed to confront the rights process as low as fi was and smoke, bottoms up for these damage buildings and said 5 to cause. so as a result of say that more than $200.00 offices were injured in the classes. this was, it shows a link to the amazon device store in the central city to leon. as the sizes class with offices off the raleigh against police violence was banned as well. so countries 31 police stations with targeted overnight, one office of a french financial services company was run side rises in my say new to the guns

still, i'm still hunting rifles. meanwhile, present a manual. my phone has put some of the responsibility on what's been happening on parents and social networks on the island by calling a parents to be responsible. it is the parents' responsibility to keep them at home . and so it's important for the calm of everyone that parental responsibility is for the exercise and the code on the sense of responsibility of mothers and fathers into that platforms, the social networks are playing a considerable role in the movements of these posts stage. we saw and several of them snapped track take talk and several others by some vine and gatherings being organized and it's sort of copycatting of violence. this among the youngest leads to a sort of escape from reality. and we sometimes have the feeling that some of them are living in the streets of the video games. the vin talks dictated them before days of rise for not unprovoked as a single shots of why the police officer treated even more wireless on sunday

morning. the 17, although german was buried and known to the same provisions sub but he was killed on tuesday. my name on of, on the most of the committees he came to bid farewell, the deceased the in the morning of june, the 27th police in on sat up the rules in sub attempted to pull over a call with police license bites. they who was being driven by the out 0 and teenager who refuse of a come on to stop. the police officer proceeded to open fire, giving him the incident has highlighted the concerns about the racial profiling adam from these tell us see me cited. so physical science for a festival at california state university who believes the issues that have led to the current classes have been rooted in fonts for some time. this is not the 1st time the french had been content on this for the you had put them on notice back in

2012 and it sticks to the kind of policies that the disagreement, i guess people have come. and so it's to actually is also. busy in the colonial mentality, and that seems the friendship, particularly the alternatives, have not gotten to where we're that are we can see how at the present himself when visit. he visits african countries. it's always, this was a monster snobbish and, and the good on deals uh, colonial literature that we've seen from him in several of his stops the, in, obviously the congo and other other places. so in a sense, it's a system problem that the french have have to deal with that are 60 cases that have been the same as this was not you uh, the victim

a became. so it's not to you and a message has always been seen to blame all those time, not to cover deep roots of the problem. to get more on the development of the heated situation involved. he didn't had to do a website of see the complex kind of needs a formal student for minutes. it breaks down hard so you can look pools is on for the run occasions from the mass process of in spreading across from in recent days, the movie to the front lines that 9 people were wounded as a town in the domestic region came on, the ukraine in shipping, all these roll them because of a ripple it from the sight of the attack in the hills early couple that lives here in this house survived. miraculously, the ukrainian shell that landed on this house struck the kitchen directly. and both of the, both of them there were in the house at that point. thankfully,

their kids and their grandkids were in the nest at the time of shelling. at this moment, the house is completely burned down and is destroyed, the young repair. but i knew it wasn't the garage when the sailing started astride close the door to the garage and the door was crush. my wife yelled for me. she wasn't the bedroom where the ceiling have collapsed on her. i went out through the garage window and pulled her out. the explosion was instantaneous. as soon as she the house, everything went out at once. the house is completely destroyed with all of them. according to officials, ukraine fired several rounds bowl from subject made multiple launch rockets, systems and natal made a $155.00 millimeter habit search. now this one is, this is a shelf from grad multiple launch rockets system. it landed right in the middle of

the street right next to the kindergarten, which is only about 50 meters away. what should i have on the after the 1st wave of showing i went out to see if anyone needed help. i met a neighbor and while we were talking, the 2nd wave of showing began. i lay down in the grass and he fell right beside his car. if his car wasn't there, he wouldn't have been so lucky. you and father sent a hose at the time of the assess showing my son was in the room at home, and my husband was at the call. i told my son not to leave the house a shelf. so here, my cell good either piece of shop. no gloss in his hand or he's in the hospital now . my husband was also injured on his arm, but what should we do now? the city of use in nevada is adjacent to the landscape, comes under constant ukrainian, shutting nearly every house. here, every apartment building every bus stop, every hospital is full of fish, wrapped off holes or houses or destroyed just like this one. however,

local residents are still willing to live here in hope that this conflict will and very soon and peaceful. finally, come per month, costs are emergency doughnuts. republic us off within the state of aquino fafsa is suspended the blue cross and white. so the 1st television channel, claiming it has spread false information about the crisis in the country or the frank shadow, lashan and 4 is responsible for the consequences of the serious violations by broad costing, from information about the book a fast. so the book can it be superior and council for communication is suspending the programs of the tv channel less shannon full from the packages of any paid audio visual service distribution to for a period of 3 months in book a to 5. so it looks like francis hopes and dreams to stay in between the faucet and good books that have gone to put down. but jane once again and this off to the west

efforts and nations need a rickety to suspended with immediate good faith to french television else the i full broad costing false information on the security situation. and the can see already started people to terrorism. now the decision did come following a popular, so known as the beautiful i'll pick just as important question in which the originates up to use your name as a new. so mind me of making false and baseless remarks on the security situation in which you know, fossil and the so how the to be malicious reports were made on the 25th of april this the way, according to the rate, the late to the body. so minus states, so that jihad is well advancing rapidly stage troops, we.