tell us about that and what else uh, happened to you? sure. well the uh agent. so that was in december. they fired. oh my gosh. yeah, of course i know you're going with this part. so that was, it was to prolonged the 1st was that i was working a case in which a veteran had stated that he had contracted with someone to kill his wife. i was working that case with a municipal agency, the federal police department, and i shared information to the, the under the exceptions to the law. and they fired me because they say that those exceptions to the lot don't exist. that's their entire case. the 2nd problem was they didn't like an email communication and a facebook post that i made as a union steward on official time under the direction of the union. good, agree? and so the, the 2 aspects to the, to my term, to december's termination. are there truly per tuners, and that's,

that's something that, that kind of, you have to highlight about the, the, you hear a lot of people talk about the incompetence and they do it with the kind of, you know, the meaning to be insulting or to take a job at the da da is truly incompetent at every level and it's, it's worth taking a moment to just think about that and understanding that they can't even abuse their authority and a competent man. it's not like what i was a street copper. some of the other people you've had on the show legitimately with getting disappeared in a very precise and time to prepare the can't do that. they'll try it, but they're going to mess it up and they're going to leave a paper trail and there's going to be an e mail or, you know, something of the kind because these are the we have uh, when i say we, i'm talking about to be have promoted these and confident players to higher and higher levels. and then the echo chamber sort of seals that in and you have this is

truly st. of it's. it's like to stand for present experiment exercise. just, you're not as, as out of hand maybe or more out of hand in some respects, one of the results of whistle blowing is the isolation. and the loneliness that comes along with it. what was it like for you? you were forced onto the desk duty, how did your friends and colleagues at the v a respond where they supportive. did you have any other support from inside the organization? oh, cool. yeah. so again, i, this is sort of like my, my 3rd life as a copyright. so i, i, i have a friendship network and i got some really, really good advice all the way back in 1988, a senior deputy at the sheriff's department. i worked for a told me straight out, he said to him, if you're going to do this job, get to get a hobby that doesn't have anything to do with law enforcement and get friends that

aren't cops. and that was something i took to heart and i expect cherry that through the year. so i kind of had this network established a prior to that. but i'm pretty well known. and so when they transferred me out of police services in into the transportation division, there were a lot of people who found me on the side walk away from india where they couldn't be overheard offered their support, their gratitude i, i'll get a facebook messages from time to time just your notes of encouragement and they are absolutely critical. jackie, derrick wrote this wonderful book about the psychological effects. yes. of the read seems to be subcategories, but every single piece of blower should immediately fall under that. ca, too. like without question, somebody to change them all that we need because of that psychological damage. yeah, i'm just fortunate enough that i planned for the the that was that was really very forward thinking as we're speaking with department of veterans affairs,

what's the blower? tim petoskey, about problems inside the sprawling federal government. we're going to take a short break and come back with more of this conversation, which is stressful. stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the. 2 the

i don't see this conflict, so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and illness of the russian population. the russian leadership that there may, will be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers the voltage to so just wanted to see what's going on. what was that up at the moment, this was something good just simply stay. of course with me. the last name was

these really, those can, will be used to be live. imagine we have support for someone who is this we would show new people to the the a. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with tim petoskey, whistle blower from the us department of veterans affairs. tim, thanks again for being with us. always, tim frank. start because the famed whistleblower from the early 19 seventy's. new york police department is a friend of mine. one of the things frank has always been very clear about is that

corruption only exists in police departments when police leaders allow it to exist . frank also has been clear that he had very little support from other police officers when he made his revelations. you've said that other police officers in the v a are afraid. and when a whistleblower engages the da's leadership, the va attacks, the officer. these attacks tend to be effective and the majority of cops are afraid of losing their jobs and it being attacked in the same way as the whistleblower is attacked. i can tell you that this is also true and national security. the goal of those protecting the wrongdoers is to frighten, would be whistle blowers so that they remain silent. tell us about what you went through immediately after you made your revelations. what was it like inside the va? sure. well, i think the worst was, was definitely um, at the very beginning when joe murphy and i made our original disclosures they,

uh they were, they were using the was our traffic cameras to follow as to and from work off with the intent of harassing us about you know, showing up on time or not um, anything that they could fabricate. uh, they attempted to besmirch jose professional reputation when he applied for a p as in an attempt to abrogate his security clearance of the anything you can think of at some point in time that they i went for an entire month without pay months because they couldn't get their pay worked out in my or was the only $1.00 by the way. right? but they pay me for an entire. so you said something and one of your other cas about integrity versus honesty and integrity being something about self and honesty . but you know, something we project for others. i'd also, i'd like to talk to you off of that and suggest that there's an institutional

integrity. right. that the integrity of the individuals in those leadership positions bring, which is what i think frank circle was again, which by ways one of my personal sherise and this thing about intrinsic value and agencies, professional integrity and the intrinsic value. but that breeds for the agency or lack there of and that's exactly this, this situation with the a where they attacked me. they attacked joe, they tried to project that abuse of authority in a grandiose manner with this sort of a chest pounding. but what we can get away with, which is the i to acid in my termination case, that is, that is precisely what they are trying to transmit to the workforce, which is the back of us and shut off. right? and we've seen that in the unit number of our, our stores have resigned. we are having all kinds of difficulties in getting back regular support. and we've got numerous cases at the federal relations authority

that are focused back on the agency i've, i've personally, one upwards, i think either 4 or 6 unfair labor practices while from the up since january of this year. because the agency has been so in bold and uh, by my termination, while you're there, seems to be a theme here where you should be able to rely on your, on your union to support you. and it's not just you it's, it's both inside and outside government and they're, they're just really isn't much in the way of support from the union. one of your colleagues also told the media that revelations that the 4 of you made were not taken seriously and were not acted upon. usually that's not the case. usually they'll target you try to get rid of you and then quietly implement the changes that you demanded in the beginning. why would the officials engage in

a cover up when it would be so much easier just to work with you and make these changes? sure, well it gets back to that, that incompetence, right? is that so steep? they don't know how to do that. but there's also layers, you know, like in the, in the, in my world back in the day, i do. all right, and we've been around for a little while anyway, back in the map days and you had the, the acetate and used to do the layers. right. and you build up a picture, right? so one of those layers is this thing about uh, uh, some of the dangers within the hospital setting that the grandiose. but what am referencing here are actual serial killers that operate inside of medical facilities of all types. now there's a wonderful book by brew sacrament called behind the murder turn, that focuses specifically on the da's problem in this regard. and one of the things that she touches on in his book is that the serial killers operated to be a do. so at the age that are known to have a $41.00, police forces, winestaff,

police cetera. so this is good and there's been some netflix videos and things like that. this is a 4 story or hospital with ministers. the last thing they want is for something like this to get out and then they have to deal with the kind of panic that comes from it. but as you know, getting ahead of the story is how you deal with those critical elements. but the be so incompetent, they have nothing in their toolbox to deal with that complex reality. and they can't even handle something like that in see, i see. right. the seattle was one of the only organizations in the state of washington habits terminals pulled because of the incompetent handling of the increased the system. right. it's somebody's walk in the door. i'd say, if you've ever worked with these people in the united state of washington there, and we tried to dig it, they tell you what they want, how they want it when they want it. it's, you know, i love my brothers and sisters in the infantry,

but it isn't an infantry guy could get this done right. but the v a can't write. and so how are they going to deal with this incredibly complex situations that you do have to deal with? is the hospital administrator. when your competency level is so low, you can handle, you know, something like making sure there's enough paper for fetch me. one of the tactics that the v a used against you and against the other whistle blowers is, is through the use of your medical records, your medical records were illegally accessed. hundreds of times. i was shocked when i read that in the case of one of your colleagues, he stopped demand for speeding on the grounds of a v, a facility. that man happened to be a v, a psychologist, and the psychologist threatened the officer over the speeding ticket. in the end, the officers medical records were also illegally access 100 times and he was unable to be promoted. presumably you have legal representation to try to guide you through this awful experience. but what are your lawyers say about this kind of

illegal retaliation? when, when a psychologist, because you're giving him a, a speeding ticket, can pull your medical records and leak them and use them against you. it's so patently illegal. how do you deal with frank? or even worse than that, because that particular case that you're talking about that psychologist ways of a clinical psychologist. not a forensic psychologist. we have i said, estimates every year they're done by francis ecologists. not kind of a psychologist. the clinical psychologist had to get sort of google boy into the system to even look at that officers case to begin with, let alone accessing his, his records and things like that. but one of the things that we learned was i've learned definitely over my time with the va, we already cabinet level agency, and that's one of the things that kind of it's brought me up short. i don't know how many times and it's just taking me, it's taking me quite a while sometimes to wrap my head around it because we are on the same tier is the

department of justice. and, you know, i looked a little bit that your story from the, from the c a and i, i, it, it blew my hair back. but one of the things in listening to your story is that the, the v thinks they are the see i, it, they believe, and they act with that kind of a density as if they can just make up something and who's going to make us do anything different and to a large degree there, right? we have to follow the department of justice a policy or direction. we're a cabinet level cr agency. and so does the v a have to follow the law? i something i posed to congress all the time because if you don't have an enforcement model, you don't have a lot. if there's nothing there that says dell shuttle or i will spank you, the v is just going to do what about right, right. ways to save the c a all the time. it's better to add now and ask for

forgiveness later. so you, i may have some of those words, right? so you mentioned earlier in the show that you're no longer at the v a i'm i'm hoping that you still have a whistle blower case pending. so where does your case stand now? it seems like there have been no real changes. no, no interest from capitol hill, no satisfaction for the whistle blowers what happens next for you? so because on the union representatives, the national via council sent me a lawyer and we are taking my cases to arbitration. now the reason why is because the merits, as the protection board decides 97 percent of the cases for the agency, 97. wow. percent. they were trying to justify that last session before congress and their, their large logical reasoning. if you can call it, that is, is, is, is cartoonish as well. so my cases are set for later this year. and the

v is going to have to stand in front of an arbiter and an attempt to justify what their position is. however, their attorney is a board certified and so if their, if the end of the case is going to continue to be that the law is in the law, that's going to be a really interesting outcome for that particular lawyer. but the highlight that i want to make here is that if it were not for arbitration, i just be getting the water. right. because it has to be isn't gonna help me. right? they're going to decide for the agency and this has happened to other vehicle the sprague, they've got to work their way through the system. you know, and i think you've experienced this yourself. there is a cost benefit analysis rate. and if the agency can run that cost up, at some point in time, those offices are gonna walk away because it's just, it's to monitor really expensive. it's too emotionally expensive, it's too psychologically expensive and to be a rest. that's how they've gotten away with this. for so many tickets just crazy.

well i, i would like to thank our guest in petoskey, not just for being here with us today, but for allowing us to be his 1st interview. thanks for that. and thanks to our viewers for joining us. sometimes when a police officer is given maximum power, he bears minimum responsibility. that's why it's incumbent on the rest of us to support those brave officers who stand up in the face of waste, fraud, abuse, or illegality. they are the ones to keep the honest people honest. they are the ones who eventually will route out corruption. they're the ones who are deserving of our support and our respect. i'm john kerry echo, thanks for watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the

is the aggressive today, i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today. russia was the country with the most thing shows imposed against it. a number that is constantly growing. but i think the pitch of the thing is just click on anything and we see more in the way we shift for banning all in ford. so russian oil and gas in energy suffering the price for another country. hope all's well with the rest of the phone. service involved, the little joe bites in, imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there is a boomerang the the,

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the kitchen directly civilian area is under attack again by ukrainian forces with at least 9 people who either don't answer the chords notified norris family. but the addiction may happen any time now within the next 2 weeks. but my plan is to say israel to supreme court, the rules of the palestinian family is to be evicted from their home that they shed with his railey staff lives in jerusalem also in the program and made the budgeting, multi point of world argentina, settled, a multi 1000000000 dollar payment to the i m f with a chinese you one steps toward the global trend of deed gohler i zation accelerate the live on this stuff at night from months ago. it just after 11 pm. so good to have you with us a straight to our top story as well as continues to watch and a hora,

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and meantime is postponing his state visit to germany due to the cottage at home. i'll be almost done. 45000 officers are on the streets, facing off against protesters on with fireworks and unconfirmed reports of automatic weapons and assigned to right now the police have suffered more than 200 casualties, but away from power. so let's have a look at the city center of the town of lee. oh, shoot. uh, shops therapy and vandalized. lots of looting. going on. i thought he was in police station was talking it over nice. at least one of them was baltimore with an improvised explosive device. and as rogers took aim at a matter of say, gun shop, they took off with a host of rifles. meantime, the blame game is well underway with the french president suggesting the parents, social networks on video games. a role behind the may him to the i really and by calling a parents to be responsible. it is the parents' responsibility to keep them at home . and so it's important for the calm of everyone that parental responsibility is for the exercise. and i called on the sense of responsibility of mothers and

fathers, is that platforms, the social networks are playing a considerable role in the movements of these past days. we saw and several of them snapped track take talk and several others by some vine and gatherings, being organized in a sort of copycatting of violence. this among the youngest leads to a sort of escape from reality. we sometimes have the feeling that some of them are living in the streets of the video games. the vin talks of k to them. of the 4 days of riots kicked off off for a traffic stop gone wrong when police faithfully showed his 17 year old while he was driving a stolen car. he's just been buried in the same parisian stop up where he was killed on choose the right that you're looking at crowd to a gap at the show. solidarity the about the video where it all started. a police and montero attempted to pull over a car with polish license plates driven by the team, but he essentially refused to stop. he took off at that moment, he was shot in the chest point blank as he fled. now,

the incident has re ignited concerns about racial profiling and police brutality in the country. by discussing with this, with a political, i've list the use of mild right, who told us that, well, the riots are unusually violent. this aside will divide is being created because of what he calls discrimination of the hands of french authorities. and i'm talking about public and civil unrest that constantly happens in france every year. of course, i'm not in any way supporting the rights that are taking place in france. i think a lot of it had been very violent. and so something every person should come down my own should never take place in such a situation. but i think this is an indication of the grown frustration of the masses of the people they're going to be frustrated with the front cover clean. and the reason they, you know, be across the spectrum, where do you begin discrimination, racism, recruiting,

and government policies that directly target people with, with just background, if you practice and you'll be able handed religions, you know, you are no longer class to be practicing those really just kind of because this is the government is in acting a secular, uh secular policy which directly targets the religious ideologies of anybody who follows a religious background. this is the groom and frustration that the people in france are protesting. and unfortunately, why you think about it because of their knowledge, they're simply not agreeing with the policy is up there. government. so a lot of updates are just about every minute. also going up on main website onto you dot com. you can uh, keep an eye on the unraveling situation in front bugles, a c analysis by carrington eyes. so the former of 3 and 4 administrators, she's breaking down essentially what she thinks is really behind all of fist filings and destruction. why for now, with the program to the ukraine conflict in the behind the front lines what 9

people have been wounded as a town and they don't extra public came on to shutting from kids forces. again, i'll correspond reports from the c, the 3 hills early couple that lives here in this house survived. and miraculously, the ukrainian shell that landed on this house struck the kitchen directly. and both of the, both of them there were in the house at that point. thankfully their kids and their grandkids were in the nest at the time of shedding. at this moment, the house is completely burned down and is destroyed, the young repair. but i knew it. i wasn't the garage when the sailing started straight, close the door to the garage and the door was crush. my wife yelled for me. she was in the bedroom where the ceiling have collapsed on her. i went out through the

garage window and pulled her out. the explosion was instantaneous. as soon as she the house, everything went out at once. the house is completely destroyed, all of them. according to officials, ukraine fired several rounds bowl from soviet made multiple launch rockets, systems, and nato made a $155.00 millimeter hobbit search. now this one, this is a shelf from grad multiple launch rockets system. it landed right in the middle of the street right next to the kindergarten, which is only about 50 meters away. but i shall appear to live on the after the 1st wave of showing i went out to see if anyone needed help. i met a neighbor and while we were talking, the 2nd wave of showing began. i lay down in the grass and he fell right beside his car. if his car wasn't there, he wouldn't have been so lucky. you and father sent a hose at the time of the 1st showing. my son was in the room at home and my

husband was at the car. i told my son not to leave the house a shelf. so here, my sound good, either a piece of shelf, no gloss in his hand. he's in the hospital now. my husband was also injured on his arm. what should we do now? the city of use in nevada is adjacent to the landscape comes under constant ukrainian, shedding nearly every house here. every apartment building every bus stop. every hospital is full of fish, wrapped or holes or houses or destroyed, just like this one. however, local residents are still willing to live here in hope that this conflict will and very soon and peaceful. finally, come per month, costs are emergency bonus republic. in a conflict, what tends of thousands of people have died of the west is getting quoted rave reviews from key of for it's a weapon systems sent to ukraine. that is the point blank message from the u. k. defense minister who claims it's missiles have proven

a success against russia. we extend our short range, high velocity and large wage module, me solace audio 2035, otherwise known as to us trick and model it. these was last me saw those. i received rave reviews and ukraine, where they have proved it pulls into weapon against fixed wing aircraft, will be building on these current capabilities. as opposed to almost an assault brigades come by, teams. outcomes as moscow says, the british made a storm shadow. miss silence are being used to talk it civilian infrastructure and on bass. i think to the list that you guys supplied challenger to tanks and they're loaded with shells containing depleted uranium that is known to cause long lasting damage to civilians. even yes, off of the shots and 5, don't forget about the environment too. and while the west keep sending us a steady stockpile of ottomans to ukraine, leaders from the us and the was struggling to keep track of the guns, explosives and munitions handed over to key have by the millions that's across live