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are wasted in our short range, high velocity and lightweight module me solace until 2035, otherwise known as to us trick and model it. these was last me saw those. i received rave reviews in ukraine, where they have proved it pulls into weapon against fixed wing aircraft, will be building on these current capabilities, as opposed to almost an assault brigades come by, teams, outcomes as a month ago. so as the british made a storm shadow, miss files are being used to target severely and infrastructure and on bass, i think to the list that you guys supplied challenger to tanks and they loaded with shells containing depleted uranium that is known to cause long lasting damage. to civilians even yes, off of the shots and 5, don't forget about the environment to. and while the west keep sending us the study stuff, pile of ottomans to ukraine, leaders from the us and he was struggling to keep track of the guns, explosives and munitions handed over to key a by the millions that's across live now and talk about this with a full,
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my pentagon, senior security policy analysts, michael maloof, michael, great to have you on the program before we go any further. it's just going to say there are reports on confirmed reports of some of these within the set to ukraine have already arrived in front of some of these weapons unconfirmed again repeatedly being used to mit visa protests and burning demonstrations and in photos across much of the country for the meantime, michael, forget me. i'm getting distracted. here. tell me about this testing grounds. the u . k. defense ministry saying the u. k. weapons are being a force to be reckoned with in ukraine. but how, what's your, what's your take on the british defense ministries statement that for a while he seemed to be quite enthusiastic about the capability of his weapon systems with more to come. i think i am in battlefield such as this, do indeed become testing grounds for the quality and effectiveness of your weapon systems. we solve that there in desert shield, desert storm, and the rocky war where we decimated saddam hussein's our armies and his
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tanks and it, it, it showed the effectiveness but also strategy comes into play here. and the, the whole idea was to eliminate air power completely in order to do that. now that's something because because of clusters, because of several very farms that could be dropped and even even scuds. now we have a similar condition here. uh in which, um uh, the ukraine gets trained on some very good equipments and very, very quickly they, they seem to be quick learners, although they go through that equipment like crazy. and i, i think that's, is going to pose a problem for the west to, to continue any sustain supply of that equipment. but what they have is effective. and what the british defense minister was alluding to what is the fact that the equipment is becoming much more integrated with the air,
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seeing land so that everything can be coordinated and, and for effectiveness. this takes, i'm doing. and one way around that of course, will be cyber warfare in order to, uh, to, to cripple or, or of complicate, but that kind of coordination. so yeah, they, they have some quality equipment. and it's been, it's been shown to be effective. but there are counters to everything, just a counter to everything. well, this is what i wanted to ask michael, because okay, so we've got a new defense ministry saying that his weapons and it's storm shot to miss also being really successful in accomplishing ukraine. oh, um, is it, is it fair to say that it was well that russia is theoretically testing new weapons as well in the config. russia's new weapons going against nato, whose new weapons is that? is that fair to say? what do you think you oh yeah, i think so they're testing their hyper hypersonic missiles. they they,
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they particularly the ones that are maneuverable. i'm sure they're gonna. they're working also on the grid, or either gratian of, of their, of their command control systems on the ground, and then the air and even naval ordinance of all of these things matter it. and this is what makes, for example, the of 35 so unique to any other 5th generation of aircraft. we have 16, not so much, but it is fast them as it is effective and have a way around that. of course, if they ever arrive will be to suit absolutely designate every air field. there isn't the country that can't land anywhere. so there, there are counters as i say, but i think cyber warfare is going to play an increasing role in all of this, particularly when you rely on integration of a weapon, systems and, and, and,
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and also find ways to get around encryption. so this isn't about virtually, and electronic war as well. yep. a, a kinetic core. i think i think you make it an extremely good point that michael it as, as a crime and has said in recent months, this is a hybrid will appropriate the will being a being set up against rupture by the entire collective west. michael, i know you've seen the reports about ukraine's counter offensive, is going back to june. the 4th is when they read it kicked off and none of them really really went according to plan. with that be the case. how would you expect the suppliers of western countries to ukraine to the act when they see so many of their ahmed vehicles times and a how is this just being destroyed with an hours of getting on to the battlefield? well, i think it is a little demoralizing, and it does raise questions because of each one of those tanks requires a logistical train of supply for uh, for uh, getting out there. and if the weather conditions are bad,
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it can get bogged down. oh, and if they do get bogged down, there may be kind of a setting targets and you hypersonic all of them and, and, and they leave their russia has the capability, they get them in as they've been, as reports suggest, i have not seen anything firsthand. i've heard reports, but uh uh, confirming is something i have not seen anywhere on either side and that but, but in terms of, in terms of effective this, russia has that kate has a similar capability. the problem for the west is, is the stand ability of supply and, and that's quickly dry enough. yeah. something that sort of angela and is joining these companies across europe to double triple and quinn. couple that production of shells and munitions. she said, oh, something like it. we've got 250000 shells developed in the past couple of months. we need a 1000000 by the end of the year. so clearly piece. it's not one of the main strategies
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here. hey, michael. before, before i let you go, let me, let me also one more question. if i may of the diplomacy, chief of burrell, according for the west, to double its military aid to ukraine, amid the wagner near to the eye. but we could get the visor and all the time, but to g. g thing with brussels, calling for the west, the double it's military aids you cried. is that the road to peace? the thing? oh, absolutely not. and saying, it is one thing doing it is another, the europe industry as a whole, whether it's germany, france, or what have you because of, because of their costs and supplies, are having a depletion problem. their industries would have to shift from piece time to wartime production, and that will absolutely at impact the quality of life which europe has come to enjoy until now. and that's going to also have a bearing site at the risk depends upon their tolerance for such as activity. and whether they see that this ukraine
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operation is, is worth going after russia ultimately and, and, and that, and, and again, we just, we just don't hear any of any n game in this, in this entire effort. whether it's from the, from the united states or from europe. but i do get the sense that europeans, because they are in terms of proximity are so close, are getting a little fed up with it. plus, now, as you see in france are having their own internal strife and internal problems and we're experiencing in more internal problems here in the united states. and the daughter of the day is when you create a war overseas to deflect from internal problems because people are feeling it directly and they're not going to put up with it. yeah. leslie when the occasion. yeah, it's, as you say, michael, a growing number of people not, not really ingesting the mainstream narrative is not as much as they used to perhaps micro maloof full what kind of go on senior security policy. i'm just
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joining us live here or nazi. thank you very much. we'll see you soon. thank you. thank you. it was great to have your company for this program from moscow as a, as muslims around the world have been celebrating the annual holidays. israel supreme court has ordered the eviction of the last remaining published thing, and finally, in a building shed with his riley settlers at the court, rejected the family's final appeal to keep that home in an ancient building. and a mostly, mostly mary, of jerusalem, is all to use more if an ocean, the new uh 68, was born and raised in this house in the old city of jerusalem. these walls keep precious memories of her deceased parents. her marriage, 5 of her children and of they have to live here, but soon she might lose it forever. these rarely authorities have ordered the expulsion of nora and her family. i feel like i've been sentenced to a death penalty with every passing 2nd. i feel like my soul is banning today. i
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woke up scat. i dreamed that soul just re do the house. i got child was bad panicking, running to make sure that there was no rage. and everyone was safe nor i whose family has been renting this place. since 1953 is a protector tenant. this privilege status dates back to the jordanian rule and later was adopted by israel. it means neither she nor her children can be evicted unless there was a payment delay or an authorized renovation. clearly not the case here, or if the family doesn't stay at the property that's, that's what the trust of has always. norris house since 2010, and that is behind the legal battles. use data from caesar to the cameras to convince the court that the woman doesn't leave in the house, referring to a 4 month period when she had stayed at her son's place, due to a proven medical condition. the family believes it was just to protect the view and we will hate them. is it luck? so they are targeting my house and all the houses around the alex and most you
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probably saw in the news that the saturday school is the asked me glancing over the whole area and do all the city of jerusalem. they want it only for themselves to build their promise down pulse they want to get rid of the arabs and gain full control. what can we requested a comans from the jerusalem municipality on what the grounds are for the eviction. there was no response so far. they have been 14 court cases, it gains nor has family in the last half a century to eviction orders. and the family says many attempts by the municipality, the israel custodian, and even the antiquities authorities to the victim. they said as on lo phone, the student center is part of occupied palestinian temporarily. and then an under international human say in lower than the level of looking at the national understanding is on recognize us protective population, protect that population whose lights off. got an feed on the international law and forcibly displacing palestinians also occupied typically actually constitutes and
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will crime and degree breach of international the family members complain they are being harassed by jewish settlers and neighbors. nora says they throw garbage water from the balcony. she blames them for the deaf of 5 trees in her little rooftop garden. they were also stones thrown at the windows. police the family says are rarely on the ground to help, which might make the perpetrators believe they can get away with everything. foresight of the state, the wizard is actually encouraging the settlers methodology and the set there's behaviors and by being that and protecting them instead of protecting the people who are from the case here, it is not as lambs the, there's the 2 days. i'm god forbid, this is the case who does actually if i stay and so i'm going to basically guessing evicted from the house and then bringing in the international community, condemned force displacement of palestinian families in numerous reports by you and human rights and humanitarian offices. you and foreign diplomatic commissions,
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there are constant calls on israel to stop this practice. it has little effect the, the you and estimates around $970.00 palestinians almost tough children are currently at 3 score forest eviction in east jerusalem alone, including the old city. we met a group of young activists in nor his house, foreigners and locals. they came to show their support and solidarity with the family. they take shifts to make sure they are present in 247, not to miss the moment when police knock on the door, as it is rarely do a citizen. i am not afraid of being arrested, which is a great privilege because i know that our palestinian partners for them being arrested is a terrible ordeal. and i can last much longer and have more serious implications. but this is non violent resistance. and so we're not afraid when we go out of the house is riley police were waiting for us cold by a jewish lady who got quotes by our camera. they checked out ideas and ask the
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purpose of the filming. when we told them we're covering the eviction story, they asked if it's about movement or a jewish family. unclear why it was relevant, but it certainly was an unnecessary question. no jewish family has ever been expelled from the l. c t. using the chance i ask the officer why they don't show up when norris house is attacked and the families threatens by center. there is the newer in her family. all the last palestinians left in this building. most of the house is on the street. i populated now by door south or is coming from different parts of israel and from abroad. turning the moves named quarter of jerusalem. this old city into a jewish one. legal battle which lasted 47 years now seems to be lost. the court notified norris family, but the eviction may happen any time now within the next 2 weeks. but the plan is to stay. they're not ready to give up on the place they have called home for
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generations. moving ocean o r t from jerusalem it has a massive implications as the origin teen areas bypassing the us dollar. in the 1st, it is to hold a $2700000000.00 a debt payment to the international monetary fund with a chinese new $1.00. and the other reserves it keeps in a boss could have currency is known as s b r, as the country is the central bank pointing through. it's all acquitted to you and a host of other conferences or other than a dollar is a good reason for using the you. one. meanwhile, the origin time delegation is scheduled visit america next week to negotiate the i m f. one plans to reduce the countries of budget deficit and rising inflation. the global linda however, declined to speak to us at our see about this story. now the dollar as ation does continue as countries around the world are increasingly using their own national current season bilateral trade ultimately, by passing the american green back next month, the bricks group,
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which includes rusher and china, will be holding a summit in south africa where a new joint currency is expected to be very high on the agenda right now over 2000 and countries are looking to join what many of called the most significant blocking the emerging, multi polar wild oil rich states like iraq savvy, a rape, the u, a e, are also actively exploring alternatives to that help the petro donna. we spoke about this with daniel shore a bit earlier. he's a professor of latin american studies. he says, washington is concerned about the deed authorization trend because of the end of the day. it does mean america losing its grip on global economic control. as this is obviously the chagrin to the dismay of washington, they want to see dollars supremacy because then they can show can control economies around the world. they do, they can deplete the foreign reserves of a country like argentina or venezuela, and then use the traditional methods to the i am asking the world bank to entrap
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these countries through debt. and they can come in. so ben and implement their quote unquote, structural adjustment programs, and that's how they've controlled so many of these quote unquote, 3rd world economies. so the fact that there is a strong un now that exists in the auction is a very, very big deal on the global scale. since 1979 says the don't thing. so being leadership to use diplomatic means and the economic means around the world to strength thing themselves in the us have used coercive means they've used invasions in bombings and drones. and of course, sanctions. one 3rd of the world right now is under us sanctions. so i think the chinese soft power model is the new model for the world. many countries are seeing, this is a credible option. so like in america, africa, asia of what's being tom, the global south, the role working together in one of the strategic aligns or another to dump the
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dollar sanctions and the weapon ization of the world. and number one, currency of the world. and it's now really coming back to bite washington. i'm the federal reserve. well, you better read more about that for the cost of your own interest details online. because he thought the look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law should you know, i then just in case we should be very careful about personal intelligence at the point obviously is other than fit the various jobs i mean with the artificial intelligence, we have somebody with him in the
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robot most protects his phone. existence was on the i don't see this conflict. so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the russian population, the russian leadership that there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly a proxy or on rushes border that is being pursued by the u. s. and the new powers, the hi, i'm rick sanchez. i've been doing news that for 30 years and 2 languages all over
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the world here in the united states, interviewed for president, standing a 1000000000 dollar business. i believe news to just be honest and direct that impactful. and this, by golly, is called direct impact. the risk program is about the leak, but not necessarily about the link itself. rather the way this leak has been covered. i'm sure you've heard of it. somebody got a hold of some classified documents regarding the war and ukraine and other things . the documents are chock full of all kinds of fascinating note where the news more the stuff that we don't know about, but probably should know about with all that. how does the media handle this story? watch what is your confidence level of the pentagon being able to
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track down how these documents are linked in the 1st place? so much for fascinating information that we should know about. right. okay. for starters, i should let you know that me. hi, rick sanchez, i'm all for lakes. why? because i'm a journalist. i am a journalist, i'm a reporter. you see my job is to have an adversarial relationship with the government, our government, actually all governments. my job is to find out what they are doing that they may not want me to know. busy for you to know their job is to make sure that i don't get that information so that i don't know and you don't know. so this is what's called a healthy system of checks and balances that are supposed to be working in this country of ours. and when it's done properly, we get the right results. for example, during the war in vietnam,
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the media found out about things the government was doing lies, exaggerations, manipulations through leaks. they found out and thank god, it helped us put an end to the vietnam war despite the lies. yes, lies that both henry kissinger and president richard nixon were trying to get away with it some time. some name is now come out as the possible source of the times found a gun, documents. it is out of daniel ellsberg policy analyst for the defense in the states department. prepared to answer the consequences of each procedure. and re, kissinger said that daniel ellsberg was the most dangerous man in america. he had to be stopped. and so what helped us avoid a disaster, maybe even a nuclear war, in that case, lakes and the power of us, the american people saying enough is enough. there's a documentary in fact that's out there right now. i think it's on netflix. you might want to look for it. it shows just how close we came to letting the lies when
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it's called the movement and the madman, nixon's the madman. by the way, i would encourage you to check it out. it's, it's that good. now, once again, we find ourselves in the midst of a powerful week. that gives us information that we previously did not know. and this one is about the war and ukraine. and what are we males, is exactly what we as citizens are supposed to know. for example, if our government has troops on foreign soil fighting a war shouldn't close that. of course we should. so our money could even be our son or our daughter over there. we better know the principle of a democracy is that we are transparent and that we share that type of information with ourselves. so barring, for example, you know, secret on how to make a nuclear bomb or some other highly secret of information by giving away the position that a soldier is in or that type of stuff. something that could endanger our lives. or
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many real national security, whatever that is, everything else is fair game or should be fair get what we learned from these documents. and this latest case that no one knew about beforehand is, for example, what we've learned that quote, a small contingent of less than $100.00 special operations personnel from nato members, france, america, britain, and lot via were active in ukraine. yes. meaning, american soldiers could have been in ukraine and we didn't know about. so what that says is that we now have boots on the ground in ukraine. what does that mean? we're actively engaged. does that mean sort of where we're fighting russian troops, americans, my god. if that's the case, as an american citizen, we have a right to know the answers to the questions. and i would say good members of the media would want to know that as well, right?
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well, apparently not. apparently they're, they're more interested in who make the information, which is a story. but that's not all. it's almost as if they're more interested in representing and defending our government. then they are and representing and defending us. you and me look at these stories about the lake this kind of guy leak represents the largest breach of u. s. military intelligence. and roughly a decade. the vast majority of the documents that have been put out there are about ukraine and also expose the extent to which do us has been able to gather intelligence on russia. there too many people with too much access to too much information about guard rails and safeguards. and i was left with more questions than answers to talk a little more about this. we're joined by the host of the whistle blowers,
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john kerry, uncle john of the 1st of all, let me just say it's a pleasure to talk to you places on mind realism. i mean, the invitation you, you are the guy who represents this conversation that i just had a moment ago, probably as well as anybody else can. thank you and did it. i don't know if you've got the gist of what i was trying to say beyond the link itself and all the information. it seems to me that we have not made a conscious effort in the media to try and find out what do we know here that we need to report? you're absolutely right. you're absolutely right. the american people own this information. they have a right to know what the government is doing in their name. and the only way we find this stuff out is when somebody leaks it for when an investigative journalist is able to do his or her job and develops the information on his own. and i mentioned that be a lot more. there have been times in our history where we have learned things that we needed to know that have kind of changed the course of history. that's right. or
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this documentary, and several books that i've been reading recently made me out. i'm not saying he would have done it. nixon was crazy enough to actually use nukes, to make sure we want the word vietnam. she actively considered it. mm hm. the only reason we know that is because thank god somebody started finding out and reporting this stuff, right, which scared us enough to say, hey, what are we doing here? and we put an end to it. well, whether, whether you're talking about afghanistan or iraq or, or now, you know, the situation in ukraine, we have to ask ourselves, what are we really doing there? and we need the media to ask those questions rather than share lead. that's right. because that's what they're doing, that's exactly what they're doing. any of this, this goes to the demise of investigative journalism in the united states. i get that the news industry has changed. i get that, that paper hard copy news papers or having a tough struggle need. but the 1st thing that they cut out was investigative journalism. and rather than developing sources inside the national security structure, they've come to the point where they just just,
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whatever press release the ca, independent gone, gives them. and then that's the news, by the way, this kid john picture is his name. he was part of the national guard and he was in a chat room for gamers. and in that chat room, apparently, that's where he divulged all this information. you have to ask yourself how he had secret security clearance anyway, but i guess he worked in the i t department, so i gave him security clearance by the way because it got stupid. yeah. but the some, the situation is the same at the c. busy at the state department and it's kind of gone where you've got to have somebody that has access to everything because they have to have the ability to actually send out and receive everything. so they get those high clearances. they're not supposed to read the documents, they're just supposed to process them toys, but you're going to be some candidates hired. he's an ip guy, you know, he knows how to fix computers. right? real smart kid, you know, one of those because a lot of them have already, as he gets a job they high or they give them security clearance and he's not supposed to read
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them. but he has access to the front of the world. the most sensitive reporting that the american government has, including personnel actions. you know, if you've got an officer, let's say, here is the i istation chief overseas. and you've got an officer who is a drunk or who beats his wife, or who might be working for a foreign government. yeah. you have to report that they headquarters of course, in an ice only channel or you're not a tech guy. you don't know how to send that. you have to have somebody on staff who's going to actually physically send it physically put it in the encryption machine and send it to headquarters. that's the 18 year old kid with a high security clear best of this kid. i mean, he didn't do it because he wanted to change the world. he's not like, uh, you know, some of the others. we've seen that you do that you talk about on your show whistle blowers. this guy's not whistleblower. this guy says no guy who's just putting up some credit reports as far as that's really the critical issue here. he's not a whistle blower, he's a leak or there's
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a legal definition of whistle blowing and forgive me if i keep repeating myself and that's okay. but the definition of was a blowing is bringing to light any evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. ok. now the reason that a whistleblower does that is supposed to be irrelevant if it, for example, chelsea manning revealed the murder videos. uh huh. right. whatever her, her justification was, is irrelevant. the fact that she did it is what's relevant in this case. what jack to sheer revealed is fascinated. yes, and it's important. i want to know if we have to find a good i want to know. i want to know, right. a lot of this stuff it's, and there is a fascinating but there's a difference between that being illegal and that being a policy issue that he has a problem with. well, what do you mean? what do you mean by it? being a legal or a pol, in other words, the oversight committees on capitol hill.
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