me as an investigation, as lashania, almost as just press what his native option is, boy shift justice to beacon of producing s k i at this evening as i'm hoping to jump to fully understand what i thought on still that there's just some, not some got a whole vision list was beginning to produce the ask the goal is boy should bill i'm doing their goal subordinate bush on to stay on the bottle. so unless they have a smart board meeting, if there's any is, can you? michelle sharon. yep. awesome. yeah. cuz we have michelle laws coming out of the notes on this, you know about the issue in general. i think that are some of those things most for you because the jeff and i don't know peaceful mental to be civil. also the fact that all of these tremendous panels, you're not on them, that is actually a start thinking, you're going to say strongly looks on the left side of the bill. how many turning the money? correct. we have to be very careful their credentials in our choices as to when do we become minutes early involved restraint. and then collective response is perhaps

the best way to respond you want and that's what he meant and what that is. so that's not with the notion of school that i thought ask for another while that's when you simple excuse me to, is it in use a shot before it was by you and your face can say it was a big uh, but it seems to be so meal of things theater near took on the waiting list. great display. no. you probably you know, to be able to just skip restaurants to uh, sort of one. either way of getting a good way to go into your store like smart enough adult and which booklet you know what i see, which was but yeah, and yeah. so, so i see that was, was trying to keep typically what brought it to you that the us use that visual tool. actually we g because when we do marketing website, i see the issue actually here here from the shore ships that show the yes says i

told the sports when i see the logic worship of sidney. let's see that he meets a veneer to me. i get a minute with my friend, you subtract those 2 students and glove them. so usually it comes to from getting into to go to europe. but when you get a mind the sounds it in the front at the watching as are we getting the stone flying? if the boy shot a solvent sites janet, i'm saying that i'm kind of doing them. and here's the i, c, d with all the i don't see this conflict, so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership. and elements of the

russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy or hon rushes border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers the after the end of world war 2, the national liberation movement, it'd be an intensified dramatically, haven't driven away the japanese occupiers. the vietnamese patriots by no means wanted the return of the former french colonizers. but brands did not want to lose the rich colony and decided to beat the opposition by force. in december 1946,

a full scale war broke out. the main victory addict organization led by o g man inflicted heavy losses on the french. the invaders were in raged, according to western historians, up to 250000 lives of peaceful feeding. these were on their contents. the colonialist widely used the practice of mass rape of via to these women as revenge on the gorilla. in 1947, the french destroyed the village of knights rock, murdering 170 women, and 157 children. however, terror did not help. in 1954, the vietnamese defeated the french army and the decisive battle of gen, being full, almost 12000 french soldiers and officers, including the commander general of the categories and his command staff were captured. the configuration of a huge garrison had a demoralizing effect in europe. the french laughed vietnam,

but they were replaced by even more violent and much stronger invaders. the american hard times were awaiting vietnam. again, the i'm also proud together was to be true to be launching on new twilight to partnership with poland and ukraine. and this demonstrates the united kingdom is willing and ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with allies across eastern and central europe. just a moment, i mean, she is a just hsus, so i don't see other professions about the volume, the audience. the nations are done. you use the spirit on your okay. and these political move on, you know, so your cynical trends. i can't have spanish in my sense of a bought a said to move to show like a robot of the crack. so what i'll base key is proud of you by the name escapes me

and said there is so it was because all it is not that old game or post. keep a lot of our up as a whole new the, as they knew that mice photos is getting it to go buy photo. so instead of just sort of see, i mean, as i for providing, i'm just interested in the list and get some nickel boat. okay. and the trish lowry's my push out the system up enough for a shuttle so i wouldn't have gotten the notice the people literacy products here and yours to describe any of the scripts that sits on my as i can go, she's will pick a time by summer 2022 opponents and provided ukraine with over 23272 times 100. i as these 18 crab self propelled. how it says 20 plus deacons. self propelled onto the vehicles. 20 grad. tomorrow's. and tens of thousands of launch. caliber shows 2022 according to boom, but so will also transfer $2300000000.00 with military equipment. the idea is

if the one book is that you cannot send most fundamental spots to gene keeps tags 8 that that'd be not 6 questions. don't shout those, not all those definitely is a chip. us 43. ok now have a chance, a book trying to book and i own the while supplying homes and military kid to ukraine abilities. government is similar to taking just a buying weapons for its own army and increasing its size. they plan expanding 240-0000 from today's 115000 military personnel. the war and ukraine is a reason to um, awesome. steven funds to that for this year will make an unprecedented efforts. 4 percent of g. d. p will go to the post a showing me jack cash across. yeah. a profile. gotten that that goes to another utah movie douglas. even the ice folks who did not buy the mattresses, they'll call after the and some mean will she missions blowing a ease of

a couple of by chance i might say are all you added to doubling these type of 7, the oldest because he is he is what they say of each of these hold much enhances that profile of our number back to some system. me i'll put on the website you for that i q above a photo scale, the movie why? photo scott, movie lab judge as a chair, is that that of them all fall not thought of. check out me with that man. he left a global nuclear associates appeals each. i think it was a booth i of course gets split taste is by you said it was, but i mean leaving as i hope it. but when you use that go the news go. yes, i thought of gotten use this to throw a little face, go with the doing a little pace going typical enough should glad to be able to give that group them in stock is you have not taught in the best fit that the best outside of the world speak with them by the law because that means you can probably get most times in the us that e r c, we get the shots that come on to buy them that he took in a couple of the station. bullshit ways across a really pretty,

but it was also listed any cost for him to stay and stuff categories and now, right. you know for sure the gave it a piece gifts product relates, it shouldn't share that with them but the actual issue expected today. so i'm just remembering starting with the score control, you know, if you've got a piece chemist on was rushing very good, wasn't just ukraine being tested the whole oh, basic test for the ages. europe was being tested, america was being tested today or is being tested. all democracies are be josh. the providers took a while. she was kind of difficult to look for the whole thing that goes as getting at the inside or even though that goes a benjamin many of the books and you know, what is accountable, who's going enough colors or any amount of norms had strongly still good was found dead, great attorney and a yes. so like a member of the joe,

i knew everything that are some hugo, this bit truthful integral. somebody who came to highlight open. yes. just keep the price but i'll just, i'll talk to you on some for you. i'll be honest, she's right, you feel and i tried so naturally and i, but that's no great and you called about a show, a pretty luxury list. i'm not, but at least you knew i thought it just keeps changing and then to, to grain. if i can go to virginia, just, you know, a contingent that balances gave me here, so just follow things on it as well. but the doors experience and have a good number to try that if we're getting that blue. but she won't book on that, but i'm more sure to get a chance to creating a new book, kind of need a book between control and the some of the time so that you show the cheapest way to get me by the sense, hope yet. i'm in not thought you book yet i'm. it's all possible you will please keep to yes, once you up to the next to the digits are you still support is all on. yes. so sees google or google needles for that on that. the toyota on the collaborative symbol of, of 6, and they'll be able to go to other than that, or the toyota if they don't see skill. they see they will see skit,

i think with v that use that those us i was, i'm over here on the zacko go on. the inside was a form. yeah. use provide the mattresses. the pattern that says on double they these yet you throughout math, they eat that. i see ok, c o, o 2, they say the a testing where you and these are the shots that i have a partial the, the political cause. i need you to get the got the portion and i need me to kinda keep eye on the bus that the bus and not familiar to 30 questions. lots of deluxe put on the for you on her vehicle to veronica. i got satellite ticket as old for him that basis to fry the gift on not the for sure, but by on the see whats the base touchstone installed for the come on doing a serial avalanche which is colonial. so if it's the same deal with him yet i just

cleared with addition with sasha or somebody approached me, the new is the biggest, but a new one gives me to i sees content again saying ok. and then maybe of the questions about the federal level, the new york times become all and 4 months. so adult associa couldn't display tional robust and unable to anyone to, to without or with you at the 1st and leave by. yeah, no kidding the most certainly it's a stone. i'm not the not they need. so don't bunch of attention so tough to get. totally missed the not the, the east in the pool. only the police. what, let's see if i skip this, i'm to send that. you'll make a copy of it, but it's on the fuel bullshit category and used to dump just the cost was done at the fix. be at the i be speaking with the with good. what's a good call? you think you think you're good to, they're not complete. that your machine is up on my screen when i solution, please read the try. goal was it was the she says

the the glass floor. so sweet box. you put a piece go say use us to do so that you want me to just okay, just let's just say we would i be of course i use it which is 4 numbers cuz i don't need system. that's fine. yeah. maps. i know it's not that much 11. great, but i come on and so i'm going to go forward to the machine there. so you should have seen, you know, there's a sense of the bypass. yes. so you want me to size that that should be storage to but we just express you. i'm sure if he's caught in the car and the nice thing should he shouldn't focus capital dollars. i spoke about the lift, you know, but okay, i'll see what this was your kindness time. you can set a shift towards football, hopefully with

a piece of paper almost as little dice when the machine to the does it mean need to achieve? chef is usually a num guys that when you have had you look, i hear music on some sounds. that fact each key show you the interest of the total style of judgment will cause 0 to a piece of stratum isms. mostly for sure. last month it was scratched a little bit by shift problems, 1st liquefied natural gas terminal was opened in october 2015. and so, you know, we see it at the so let me know, a girl said, i'm renee then prime minister ava corporation said phone and has a cheap at strategic goal we independent and the gas issue of ok. so at the pry x was in the process and the subject of soft voice car should do it. the combustion can be steve's the highest least city yours and i put a stop to it. yeah, yeah, bring install the i'd say no, it show voice key pollution in a cause. i mean,

she is the see where you go to being subject specimens of which was so a me, she wasn't but i, i told him the 1st at the 1st time it sounds like you had to wash as a some kind here to stay up the reference outside they could products, well the little politically just keep right. so the need to make you me just see where i would just to just k and that to get to just because she's feeling comfortable my dilemma. because if i choose me where she's coming back from the video to shift, i think that i should go to, but i see i'm going to kind of speak humbly on say doesn't that i can get the highest of them. but i've seen that as someone goes to think of a little breeze key or 6. i'm the registrar i told you that i'm you know, to go to tie orders will, doesn't about sending me this down. so she always show at all at the new movie all the time. i think oh guys will that will should have an individual names. so they expect over budget. oh gosh, i'm jump president of the strongest. and then guys will put of testing on the move

this come for the gas, which is which is studios and aging for the interest of photos in our guys and were you there? so origin see goes and cleans you nice corporate or show or anything special and that will yes, credit she needs to. she needs to make, i just wish to sum up should be as easy as that. you can just shoot me a hard art and, but they did use this medium so, but you just get say to him. uh, what are we delivering usually low, but yeah. for what you do, you put a sheet on put in the order for the accounts to go ahead and start the scan. i can get for you to investigate the cheapest degree d e is the view issues. i don't know a one year old place because of the school data. yep. the, i'm a kind the activity fairly bit of slab digital deactivated, easy post. i restore you that i get the most create. actually got so much. not pulling up say ok. even do you guys have them at the thought that i'll see they've changed a bit of data by sticks. i yelled at all c as in the data,

much shay bye. so she has that problem. no, much controlling costs of when you are basically valuable. she won't tell you the, the ford escape, but what you need from a shop project was brookside on disability and i'm just most chrome or stuck ation on me. i just, uh 1st yeah, sporting those, but i don't know. let's talk when you go for page i'm actually 40 to can you provide you are used to share i a should provide you to not going to they here tell you that old you check on us by the bono fishing, not then moments a neighbors, nissan, of the union, one of the violence, tennessee, that's on the income to tanya e. x on the, on the, on the some of your stomach, guilt 40 different in congress just didn't believe the of let's get it for discovery. madison. that's what's funny in my mouth for that.

i'm not sure if that given i would not believe i knew the books yet, the, the with alex is of age, the chief cause the best, the labs, the movie on movie owns. and when she me, shit, qualified you abroad, is that a skin touch? he's on a peg. oh so you need to move as are you on the sides of the voice? gave me the saying he would still understand globally, nicky, this is still the steering. if i say that i was needing a portion of more of the more history perspective or a different opinion on a ski from deep sea because the voice smart, i think the like, so slow of it. this can also, if i just give a shot on the, or take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality. distortion by power to division with no real opinions.

fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really would say better wills. and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented as fast? can you see through their illusion going underground? can the,

the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome to was a part. i take it a go when historians where revisiting the origins of the 1st world war, the trunk, sleepwalking became very trendy in describing how divergence actors and self

serving actors tangled together to produce one of the biggest catastrophes in human history. as a world andrews, he had another period of try always to some number lading or are we being deliberately lot into an a beast folk to discuss that i'm now joined by benjamin avalon. both are all how the west brockport to ukraine is to add a little bit to great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you for having me. now the title of your book, how the was brought warranty ukraine is quite self explanatory, and unambiguous but the contrary. and then me wants to challenge it immediately. because after all, it was russia that launched this military operation on the ukrainian soil. and this is something that both decision makers and opinion shapers in the west, a trying to frame as, as an act of aggression, a totally unprovoked act of aggression that goes against international law. and i have to say there,

there's some validity to this argument. why do you think it was the was that was the main driving force behind this conflict? one of the points i make and the books is to try to distinguish between what are referred to as proximal causes. the causes that immediately proceeded to war and the different causes it can extend back in history for there's no natural starting point for 11 tries to establish as a sequence of events. so that while i make clear that the immediate cause of the war was mister food and decided to launch the war, he and his military staff or whoever else in the criminal was intimately involved with decision. and that sense laid their responsibility for initiating the war and if the war could have been stopped in preventive at that point, then he bears responsibility. and of course, that the russians bear responsibility for how the war is being carried out. what i'm focusing on the book more is not so much the proximal causes, but are for those additional causes. the causes that extend further back in time that are now kind of hitting some site that may have been on the newspaper papers.

you know, the, the newspaper on the pages of the newspapers years ago and have been forgotten or they may never been on the pages of the papers at all. so it's, i'm focusing mostly on the distal causes and the causes leading up to the current moment. i'm do you know your book we're remind me reminded me a bit this uh, 2012 best seller by christopher clark on the origins of the 1st world war uh the, the sleep workers. and one of the reasons that book was so popular is because he tried to break with the old paradigm of assigning a culture it then focusing on the cool and the why. and instead, he was more interested in the structural dynamics of swelling, animosity when you observe um the way the, the rounds develop on both sides of the atlantic. do you think decision makers are cognizant of how dangerous could it could be?

and perhaps of the historic lessons of the previous conflicts. yeah, that's a great way of framing it with sleep walking. um, i would make just a couple of points 1st. i think i can't speak for the inner mind of the leaders, but just going from what statements i see being made publicly on both sides. i'm sure there's some cognizance of the threat of nuclear war and the danger of this getting out of control. i don't think there's enough, and that's my fear or one of the fears connect with this conflict. i'll also just a riff for a moment that your comment about world war one. i think very often in the west and, you know, different people have different opinions. but i think the main street view that's coming out of washington and in the media is trying to impose the model of world war to a sort of hit or like expansionist. and unfortunately, there are even some who refer to mr. put in as a new hitler or whatever. and this is i would call shoot warning,

a past event into a, a current event into a past model. so some people refer to that progress proquest in bed. and i think that the model that people is this actually more appropriate and the greater concern is the model of world war one, where it on control the arms race between as is usually described in there's complications this, but non control arms race between britain and germany. through a series of events and a series of eye, pun controllable circumstances. contingencies led to the outbreak of a war that was a catastrophe. and i think there's a great danger that we may run into that kind of problem now. and it's that world war one model that needs to be attended too closely in the west and also in russia, of course, one uh, how the united states to accumulate. they cannot make potential. and there are lots of people, not lots, but some of analysts here in moscow who believe that the americans are interested in having another global conflict as a way of overcome me,

the multiplicity of comfortable health crises that we are facing right now. the crisis of capitalism, the crisis of global governance, ecological crisis. what have you, um, and i was going to, there are some historical precedents of that. i mean, i only klein's book the shock doctrine clearly demonstrates how the capitalist aims could be served by, by the use, by the sanction use of states violence. ultimately, is this a conflict about values of the bottom administration claims, or is it a conflict about resources and, you know, getting preferential, i'm keeping preferential conditions that the united states has accumulated as a, as a head german. yeah, so i don't see this conflict. so as being one of our values, that's not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the

russian population and russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers. and i think that there it's, it's not to say that it's all poorly intention, and i think there are probably a range of motivations. some people probably are not seeing clearly, some people are probably very well intentioned, but are imposing outdated models and incorrect models in the new interpretation of events. um, but i think um, so i think the geo strategic thing is very central. there are certainly people and elements of the us, the leads that do want to weekend russia. you know, this whole question of a unipolar world. there is concern about that is the will for it's dr and etc, etc. so i don't see that that's actually uh i, i don't like that. i don't like what's going on with respect to that. as far as the

financial, the monetary issues, you know, there certainly are questions built into the background about the, the role of us dollars, the international reserve currency. there's questions of course, about, you know, how international markets work. on the extent to which i've really thought about the financial elements of this is, i do believe there's actually much truth to the concern about the military industrial complex. i'm sure your viewers are aware that this is a term that originally coined and popularized by president eisenhower. who was a 5 star world war, 2 general and hero, and in his farewell addressed to the american public. his final tell of his address . he warren, the american public of the combination of military, a garage. there are credit power and financial interest of the arms industry. and in fact, he even seemed like he was going to go so far as to bring in the question of financial conflicts of interest within congress. but was told mister president, you can't go so far. so i think that there are conflicts and financial conflicts of

interest and power, conflicts of interest that have played some role in motivating the western stances towards what's happening in your book. you make the point that for 200 years of uh, the us as defense policy. it was uh, based, if not on the respect them at least paying some attention to the opponents, red lines or secure to sensibilities. and that's when it came to russia, the united states and nato disregarded this, this principle, the question number one dressing, they made that decision deliberately, was it a conscious choice? and why would they do that? given that, again, the russia is a, is not some 3rd world country. it has nuclear weapons, it has a strong army, it has multiple resources. what do you think would be the ultimate goal of what do what they would be trying to achieve a cheerfully if they had their dreams fulfilled? yeah,

uh let me just back up one step before i try to respond to that and hopefully i won't lose lose the thread of your, your actual question. as i do this, i just want to make a little clear, the notion of the geography and the red lines. and the question of, um, uh, i referred to in the book the monroe doctrine. this is a doctor in course it was it referred to as a doctor and initially, but it's based on a statement by then present. president monroe in 1823. that really as that time had to do with colonialism, but ultimately has been interpreted in different ways. having to do with the idea that a, a foreign power, that places a potential opponent to places military forces anywhere near us borders anywhere in the western hemisphere even knows it is crossing a red line. one could only imagine what would happen if, for instance, russia had formed an alliance with canada or mexico, ma'am cube i exhibit the attempt or even to arrive, which is right, gift cuba, right? of course. and even that's further away than right on the border. and we,

we could see during the cuban missile crisis how aggressively the us responded. all