security clear, this is this kid, i mean he didn't do it because he wanted to change the world. he's not like uh, you know, some of the others we've seen that you do that you talk about on your show? whistleblower, right. this guy's not whistleblower. this guy says no guy who's just putting up some credit reports as far as that's really the critical issue here. he's not a whistle blower, he's a leak or there's a legal definition of whistle blowing and forgive me if i keep repeating myself and that's okay. but the definition was, the blowing is bringing to light any evidence of waste fraud, abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. ok. now the reason that a whistleblower does that is supposed to be irrelevant if it, for example, chelsea manning revealed the murder videos. uh huh. right. whatever her, her justification was, is irrelevant. the fact that she did it is what's relevant in this case. what jack to sheer revealed is fascinated. yes, and it's important. i want to know if we have to find

a good i want to know. i want to know, right. a lot of this stuff it's, and there is a fascinating but there's a difference between that being illegal and that being a policy issue that he has a problem with. well, what do you mean? what do you mean by it? being a legal or a pol, in other words, the oversight committees on capitol hill were informed that the united states is going to have special forces, boots on the ground in ukraine, even though you and i know that that's unacceptable. as american citizens who are interested in this kind of thing, it's not actually a violation of american law. you know, it's funny. yeah. i, i get a sense that the media and going back to my profession now because it bothers me a little bit. they were doing the job of the police and the f b i. they think they were actively searching. ah, yeah. investigating and reporting like something their chest. and by the way on the wrong, i'm not saying anything wrong with them. reporting what they learn, but they're not as investigative body and they shouldn't be acting as they should

be waiting and getting the information to report it. but they're bringing the crap out of this kid and follow them and deserves cuz he, he said they've done some really good re stupid things. right? yeah, i get it. but, but it's not the job in job to do. is it for me? i mean grad about it. yeah. in their own reporting, they said, well, we have this copy of a video, and there's a coffee mug in the video and we're trying to identify the maker of the coffee mug to see where it was purchased. and see if we could g o. locate the source. why you're a journalist, you're not an f b i agent. it's not your job to see that this kid is cap shared and then prosecuted spending it to make matters worse. he was arrested and charged in a federal court in massachusetts, the eastern district of massachusetts, not known for its a espionage jack prosecutions. so now they're trying to transfer the case to washington, and that's fascinating, that they are looking into the guy. and i can't say that i haven't read stories and found the stories interesting about who this guy is and how some kid ended up with

clarence. that's all well and good. sure. but if there's information out there that tells me that my government, who has been telling me all along, but ukraine is made up of nothing but superman. yes. and that you'll enter go with them and della and that they're doing great. and they're kicking the crap out of russia, but in this report that he link, it says really the united states doesn't think that they're ukrainians are doing so well. that's frank. things that are offensive is going to be uh, let me see. i'll read what it says here to you forced generation and sustainment shortfalls. the likelihood of such an operation being successful is not good, and it will result in modest territorial gains. and that's what we learned from that information. i want to know that we have the right products, right? this is something that daniel ellsberg has been warning us about since 1971. the government always lies to us and they lied to us about the policy and then they lied to us about the success of the policy. now here we are. what 53 years later.

and literally nothing has changed. you know, i little, i want to bring up something else about these documents. if i could go, i was wondering for a long time until he until jack to share was actually caught you. whether this was what's called an authorized leak. because every one of these stories, as it was appearing in the media, maybe administration look good. for example, we learned from the leaks that, that the government was going to sell missiles to russia. the us intervene and they ended up selling the missiles to ukraine, right? that makes map josh sides. yeah. us and it makes a white house look so strong and so influential. the same thing about a b is right. we're going to use really and they said the lesbians and the south koreans and the moroccans and the cypriots. we didn't like the south korean defense minister and foreign minister, and then like magic there deposed that makes the white house look strong. and i wondered if the whole point was to leak these dock because there's nothing here that makes them look bad. no,

it just reveals things that are fascinating and we are. that's right. and the point that you raised a moment ago that there's really no way that the ukrainians can be victorious and this conflict. what does that do on the west side that allows the white house to then go to congress and say, we need billions more money. what about that? so what if instead of that the people inside the bottom ministration are finally realizing this is a loser? and if he stays out this whole ukraine thing, it's going to make fewer people want to vote for him because nobody really likes a war in the. yeah. and it's not one of those wars that makes you look like a war president. you know? no bush did with the iraq, so maybe there secretly trying to see if they can kind of deescalate the but that's, that's a good point. now we're under a lot of pressure from the chinese, from the turks, and even from the united nations, to at least encourage the ukrainians to good and go shooting table. something for the russian government has been urging for a long time and we keep saying, no, no, no, there aren't going to be any negotiations. but maybe the purpose of leak is just test

public opinion to see if the american people want us to get to the negotiate that is fascinating. so that's why the way the media treats the story has a hell of a lot to do with how the american people react. you stay right there, young man, because i want to continue talking about this with you. by the way, i have a pod cast, whereas a journalist as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my stories and i share a lot of stuff with you about wins and losses as well, including the stuff that like john and i are talking about here, right? now it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to go and check it out, especially some of the last ducks episodes that we've done. they're pretty cool when we come back. we're going to talk a little more about what's going on in china. in particular, how is china related to this league story and ukraine? well, it is, and we're going to tell you how stay right there, the the,

the toner, it will see skit 3 feet. they will see skin out of the go with the that you sent those last i was i move you on is zacko going that good option and you know, he's a credit for it up in united, short, full state taxation. dispose of should. i'm not sure, but i, she's the instructional give about john long would love to go. just talk a little you should see those sheets of the go. there's a little c, a years ago. the sales custom brands here was the months here. i'm a photo, skid. she was a but all you know and about the show on circuit most to go to court or sure thing it's been go out. and so usually it comes to shock given that to, to go to europe. but when you get to mind, for sure, most of quite catch that the score can. yeah. and the console you put the fuel to

saves the the hey welcome back. i'm rick sanchez in a series of lease documents, filled with the interesting stuff among the most interesting of the stuff that is what we learned about china. so it appears according to the documents that china was warming up to russia all along and was being very supportive, even though it said it was neutral report also signals that in u. s. terms, china was willing to provide russia with, quote me full aid. i think of patients, that's a word they use legal aid and even goes so far as to disguise that legal aid as

humanitarian and not intended for defense. now that's fascinating, right. joining us once again is john kerry ok you? he's a former entail officer and host of whistle blowers. thanks again for being with us . my pleasure. what do you think of that whole thing with china? and the us apparently is saying that the chinese are giving a to russia. i found it ironic that the united states would be angry. yeah, go ahead. where do you even begin with something like this is the fact of the matter is that the united states provides a legal aid and every one of these kinds of conflicts all around the world. a lot of it, a lot of it all over the world. we could count in dozens of country, amen. afghanistan and libra, syria. libby. uh, i mean, we could go on right now ukraine and now ukraine. so let's say that this is true, that the chinese are providing legal aid to russia. so what, that's not

a violation of international law, and that's an international commercial transaction. big deal. i think what the united states is far more worried about is that the chinese have made serious inroads into what for 70 years has been us a gemini in the middle east beginning in the middle east and this is going to spread. now, the chinese is just recently negotiated, the resumption of diplomatic relations between the saudis and the iranian jeff, this is something that the u. s. has stood stead fastly against the saudis. me, rodney is hate one another. we want them to hate one another. we don't want them to cooperate and to improve relations. what happens next when the chinese get acceptance as to their offer to mediate between russia and ukraine? yeah. then there's a lot of conversation with zaleski and he said out of his frequently, yeah, exactly. they had what, what both sides described as a productive phone call it. but here's the thing though, john and maybe we need to take

a step back because you and i sometimes we read this stuff every day and after a while it goes over or has been, you know, serious. so you just said something that has me thinking, i'm really concerned as a citizen of the world. china is giving legal aid to russia to use against soldiers in ukraine, who are getting legal aid from our country. yes. do that worries me. it's bad love and are totally welcome. fine here. it sounds like world war for can 3. it does. it sounds very much like the vietnam war, where the russians and the chinese were cooperating on one side, the united states and nato were cooperating on the other side. and we had essentially a proxy war. but it was in reverse because we were the ones who were bogged down and we were, that never seemed to end. this isn't something that's new, this is something that's been done for, for generation the week, but, but, but going back to the thing, i'm the point i made at the beginning. i'm a journalist that i want to know new information yet because i'm not going to go

down and write down and get a better understanding. that's right. i'm not saying i know that this happen for all we know that china did not give lisa laid correct. this document has a leak where somebody in some embassy somewhere, some tashay, that's right, send it to somebody. and that's how it got into this document. and now it's having me and you have a conversation about it, which we showed me because it is true that china is a, is doing the opposite of what it's saying. and it's not really at neutral. and it is giving a to, to, to, to the russians. this thing could be a conflagration, not just a regional could get out of hand correctly. yes. see this is, this is one of those situations where both sides have to have to work hard to not overreact to, to news like this, right? the united states, let's say the united states genuinely believes that china is, is providing legal aid to russia. okay? we've noted it. what you do then is you make it diplomatically march, you said you're in bass that are in beijing,

into the foreign ministry and say we protest in the strongest possible terms. this contract providing legal aid. that's what you do. you don't send a carrier battle group into the taiwan strait and, and send an, a wax plane along the border and overreact. it just makes it worse. so why do we do stuff like that all the time? is it political because, way, by the way, and i'll just pick on joe biden, but you know, every reason he does, he's an old dude. looks really weak and he looks, he needs to look strong. so he's going to send point, right? yes, yeah, good point. um, yes, easy that's, that's an important point that you're making. this is not specific to joe biden. every president does this, every president wants to look strong and wants to look tough. and at the same time, the united states far more so than russia or china needs to, to reinforce the notion that this is a unipolar world, not

a multi polar world. that we have the final say in the international structure. and by god we want to keep it that way and very quickly that's beginning to spin out of the us as has it. i, you know, i've had to get it recently on this show sitting on this side who told me just the opposite. he said, that's good, we need to keep that uni poor environment. we need to be in charge and we need to let the russians and the chinese and the iranians, and the indians and everybody else out there know that, you know, we're, we're the bad since we're the ones who matter. i would disagree strongly with that because i think multi polarity keeps us safe. for example, in uh, syria. okay, the u. s. has a true presence in syria. it's not huge, but it's a true presence. that true presence is a violation of international law. there only 3 ways that a country can send troops to another country, legally. it's at the invitation of that country. it's if that country has attacked you. and it's that the invitation. and with the approval of the united nations

security council, we don't have any of those 3 things. the russians do. the russians have been invited into syria by the internationally recognized government in damascus. there is a difference. there's a big difference whether you that automatically makes it multi polar. now, why hasn't the us attacked brochure? i said, why haven't these really is attacked by charlotte said, because the re, the russians will respond. and the russians can respond legally because they've been invited to do. so that's how multiplicity makes the world say, just from what you're reading final question, do you think there's a possibility that we will see some kind of compromise in ukraine based on all these meetings? we're seeing that so lensky is now undertaking with, for example, she absolutely yes. for a couple of reasons. first of all, we know from these documents that there just aren't enough ukrainians to go around . yeah. they're just going to run out of people at the end of the day. number 2,

rapids. not enough weapons. number 3, the american people are rapidly getting tired of financing. this thing, this is costing us a fortune. we have bridges that are falling into the rivers below them. we have the international airports that are, that are international embarrassments. we have schools that are in dire need of repairs. we have international, i mean, interstate highway systems that are just designed. the 4th thing is, i don't think it's going to be a winner. politically. i agree with them by the administrative. i agree with continues in the way that it send it to the american people really care. and i mean, at the end of the day, really, how many people in united states got a phone you're creating a map a year ago? exactly. and you, sir, are a pleasure to have on, let's do this again. okay, i look forward to that very much. thanks for have really appreciate a job. all right, so we appreciate you as well for coming here and talking to us. and you know, what we try to do here is have a conversation because we really think that we should not live in silos. the truth

doesn't live in silos, the truth doesn't live in boxes and neither should we. so check us out. check out my podcast the rick sanchez podcast. i'm will be looking for you will get right here when it's time to do news again with direct impact the the, i don't see this conflict. so as the one over a values best not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of the us population or elements of the us leadership and elements of the russian population in russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then,

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