the american public, as a combination of military, you're ok, bureaucratic power and financial interest of the arms industry. and in fact, he even seemed like he was going to go so far as to bring in the question of financial conflicts of interest within congress. but was told mister president, you can't go so far. so i think that there are conflicts and financial conflicts of interest and power, conflicts of interest that have played some role in motivating the western stances towards what's happening in your book. you make the point that for 200 years of uh, the us as defense policy. uh, it was uh, based if nothing to respect them at least paying some attention to the opponents, the red lines or secure to sensibilities. and that's when it came to russia. the united states and nato disregarded this, this principle, the question number one dressing, they made that decision deliberately, was it a conscious choice? and why would they do that? given that again, the russia is a, is not some 3rd world country. it has nuclear weapons. it has a strong army,

it has multiple resources. what do you think would be the ultimate goal of what do what they would be trying to achieve a cheerfully if they had their dreams fulfilled? yeah, uh let me just back up one step before i try to respond to that and hopefully i won't lose lose the thread of your, your actual question. as i do this, i just want to make a little clear, the notion of the geography and the red lines. and the question of, um, uh, i referred to in the book the monroe doctrine just as a doctor in course it was it referred to as a doctor and initially, but it's based on a statement by then present. president monroe in 1823. that really as that time had to do with colonialism, but ultimately has been interpreted in different ways. having to do with the idea that a, a foreign power, that places a potential opponent to places military forces anywhere near us borders anywhere in the western hemisphere even knows it is crossing

a red line. one could only imagine what would happen if, for instance, russia had formed an alliance with canada or mexico, ma'am cube i exhibit the attempt or even to arrive, which is right, gift cuba, right? of course. and even that's further away than right on the border. and we, we could see during the cuban missile crisis, how aggressively the us responded, or i didn't say we're aggressively, it could be defensively. but how, what sort of intense fear is of attack that aroused on the part of the united states recognize it as its legitimate security interest. and i think everybody else, including the solve is actually understood. and that's why they, they would say a set on yeah. yeah, yeah, i think that's very true. so you know that there's a chapter in my book or i called putting the show or the other foot by which i mean to say, how would the us respond if russia or china had done something sort of equivalent, forming an alliance with um, with canada and mexico and we saw what happened even with respect to cooper, cuba off the coast. how about if was right on the border,

as you crane or georgia or other places are right on rushes border. so i think it's very important to try to the 3 of you are pulling this new moral equal. that's what he's trying to say. but being not if there's clearly doesn't see as, as a, as equals e i, i think there's some truth to that. many people in, in washington i think another way to look at it also is there is a writer in blog or robert wright who use the term cognitive empathy. and by that, what he means is sort of your ability to mentally or psychologically transpose yourself and see other issues the other person. and i would say, you know, i think there are people who you could say they have a very uh, they have a view of russia as a physically evil related, hey, they hate, there certainly are people like that. but i think there are probably others who i would simply say they lack cognitive empathy, by which i mean an inability to transpose themselves into the position of the other sites and see how they would feel well or even to reverse the picture and see how

they would feel if the other side is the st. the, especially if the american own security, the doctrine doesn't allow for that. i mean, if you actually look at the american strategic documents, there is no space for empathy of any kind. that there is a simple statement. does have gemini, that needs to be protected, but which mr. eval of. let's continue this fascinating conversation after a short break. that's where we have to take right now. the what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very good. i think it was

time time to sit down and talk the welcome back to his appointment. benjamin envelope of officer of how the west brought war it to your brain. and mr. ablow, we began talking in the before the break about how um the lessons of the world will 1 may be relevant in considering this swelling crisis. but i think there are also many 1st that we haven't seen, and one of them would be as far as i would claim, is the uh for as the explosion at the north stream pipeline, the act of industrial terrorism. something like this never happened before. even

during the cold war and also the, the nuclear threat to, i'm sure, you know, follow the, i know that you, you, you have a keen interest in nuclear 1st and use the lobby congress on your plate issues. and we all know that there is a huge nuclear station, right in the middle of this war zone data is at least according to the russian narrative has been constantly shelled by ukraine. so let's consider this. first of all, i want to ask for your reactions on the, on the explosions of the north stream pipeline. because regardless of who um is to blame. i think it really uh, shifts the frame because it introduces a new norm that though aside can one side can attack the industrial infrastructure on 2nd of all, it also shows that in the area made the naval control. no infrastructure is safe and could be all in fact vulnerable to industrial terrorism. well,

i have many things to say about this. i'll try to give you a very brief uh and you'll keep me on track if i could south carolina on thing. yeah, just you throw a throw rock in the 1st. obviously this is extremely dangerous uh, movement. i'm not quite sure i'll call escalation, but let's call it a movement of conflict into another sphere. whether this was carried out by russia, by the united states, by other nato powers it, uh, i don't think anyone knows for sure yet, although i have an opinion of what i think is most likely. so is a starting point. i want to say that i think this is very dangerous and it could lead to a type of sort of escalation of attacks on, on infrastructure outside of the current battlefield. and this, there's no end to this uh where this could go. and number 2, i want to make a comment about the reasons why i say more attention needs to be paid. so the possibility in the west of the united states is actually behind us. and then

finally, i want to comment on something about the western media, which i've been extremely disappointed in. okay, well, so let's make it one by one. why do you think the united states may have some associations without a part from a secretary of state anthony blinking or presenting that as as a great opportunity? yeah, well, i think the things that are most persuasive to me are statements made by both president biden and by the under secretary of state for a political affairs victoria newland. both of them in this period before the war started. but when russia was already massing on the border of both of those sales explicitly that they, that the us i, i have the actual quotations. i'll actually read them because i don't want to rely with the paper. i went back to the video which anyone can find online, just search mr. biting uh, north stream to uh,

we will end this pipeline um, mr. by the state explicitly. uh, this was made on february 7th at a press conference with um, uh, the, the transfer off shelves uh on the, on the podium with him. if russia evades that means tanks or troops crossing the border of ukraine again, then there, then there will no longer be a north stream too. we will bring it to an end. and then a member of the press said, how will you do that exactly. since the project and control of a project is within german control, and mr. buys and responded in a very knowing tone, i promise you will be able to do it in a separate presentation. victoria and new and the under secretary of state stated, if rush it invades ukraine, one way or another north stream to will not move forward. i the,

i think that those statements alone. they do not prove that the us did it. and i, a and, and ultimate sense, i'm withholding any judgment with certainty. but in medicine there's something called prior probability. you look at the full constellation of data that's available before you to undertake a definitive diagnostic test. and you say, how likely is it that one party one disease or another disease or one party or another? and i would say that these statements were explicit statements about what would happen if russia is a good and then rush invaded. and then this did happen. i would say this place is a high, a high prior probability that the united states was behind it or does not prove it . and i remain open to new evidence, but i think they should be much more concerned than there is that this is what happened. but i think i need to make an important clarification for our viewers that mr. barton made that statement about north stream to pipeline the new pipeline

that russia constructed. where's the explosions to place been north stream one pipeline, which, but still is pretty much the same because that pipeline was intended and was a, was intended to bring natural gas to germany as well as to many other countries. now the americans liked to talk about the solidity of that alliances, particularly that alliances with your brand. it's pretty clear to anyone who's, who knows anything about how industry authorize that german economy to a large extent done. and many other european economies were built on the access to affordable russian energy sources. that's been very foundation or one of the foundations of european prosperity. if we take on that hypothesis that the united states was behind it one way or another, or that if even functioning it that it approves of it which you know, anthony blinking sat it explicitly that it's a great opportunity. what do you think would be?

what do you think that would say about the american attitude towards it? if you are being allied, do you think they will be able to function to maintain that industrial capacity without having energy? that yeah, well 1st, so let me just comment briefly on your point about north stream one versus north stream 2 and i think that's an excellent point. one that i don't be focusing on. i do want to make what i think maybe one small correction, unless there's some new news today. my understanding was that at least as of yesterday, they were a total of 3 explosions affecting both pipelines. however, each pipeline has to is a double pipeline. so my understanding is that both of the, both of the pipelines of the duplex pipeline in north stream one were damaged. and one of the 2 in north stream 2 or damage in my suspicion is that the other one that whoever was planning this actually intended to hit all 4, but things get complicated at uh, 250 feet below the ocean surface. and so i think that is a valid point that you're raising and then perhaps it should make one

a little bit less certain or a little bit less confident that it was the us. and maybe it takes a little bit of pressure weight off the statements in vitamin newland. uh, what does it say about the relationships about it if the us did in fact carry this out and i want to get to the press also, maybe you can focus my question after that. but what does this say about the relationship? if this happens? certainly the united states has long been opposed to the north stream to pipeline. certainly, some people have pointed out that this if, if the north stream to pipeline or the north stream one also stopped operating. that this would create tremendous markets, new markets for liquefied natural gas coming from the united states. certainly the there could be influence as along those lines. i am not quite so mercenary. and as cynical in my interpretation there, i think again that some of this may have come from what were, among some people, at least, you know, well intentioned, that they correctly or wrong correctly or incorrectly had

a deep fear of russia and didn't want not want a closer alliance between russia and germany, and they saw the supply of natural gas as a, uh, an important element of that, that, and one of the motivations that one could posit, would be, you could almost call it a desperate attempt to keep a russia and germany from developing a closer connection that perhaps germany would be peeled off, so to speak from the western atlantic alliance and move somewhere closer to russia . if in the winter, the german population began to become extremely uncomfortable with cold weather, etc. so uh uh, so i, yeah, i think i'll leave it at that for the moment. now. uh, before we go through the process, if you have time for of, i want to use your expertise as a, as a nuclear expert because of the, the situation surrounding this approach. and you could have planned, as well as other nuclear capacities that ukraine has. it is pretty troubling and

there is sometimes, at least in russia, i believe that the ukrainian leadership is using nuclear threat than the threat of uh, nuclear accidents, as a bargaining chip. not only with russia, but even more. so with the west. do you think these explosions of the gas pipelines may change the stance of the ukrainian authorities? so maybe the understanding of what's permitted and what is not. and when you ask us for a minute or, and what's not our, do you have a specific type of attack in mind? well, it's pretty clear that an attack on the gas pipeline is pretty dangerous, not only in terms of a logical impact, but also, you know, thank god nobody has suffered. but if there is a continued showing on the nuclear station, and the damage could be a far more significant, and yet both of these possibilities represent a case of, of a, of an industrial terrorism. yeah,

well of course you crane is claiming that russia is shelling the yeah. while the russian forces are being stationed there. right. right. i, i, again, i would say i withhold 100 percent judgment, but i find it rather implausible. the idea that russia would take over the plant and then shell its own forces and attempt to destroy the power plant except this, this was a nuclear reactor there. i don't really see what motives are, but also i think that it's true that within the ukrainians forces there is probably quite a range of players involved. although groups such as the, as a battalion or the far right, the quote unquote neo fascist or what whatever names you want to use. certainly far right. highly nationalistic elements, although they've been more fully incorporated into the ukranian forces and they used to be, they used to operate, to some extent, semi autonomously. i, i think there's probably still a much wider range of, and much less top down control than there might be. and then i suspect there is

within the russian forces. so i think it's possible that there are either elements within the, for any forces. it could also be something really from central ukrainian government . mm hm. but uh, so i don't know the details there. i also know a 100 percent, it's been years since i focused on some of these issues, whether an attack there could actually initiate a meltdown of the reactor or whether it's simply disposing radioactive material either way it would be a disaster. yeah. can i ask you something you very quickly and we are running out of time very, very fast. but i don't know if you, if you heard this news, but just a few hours ago, the crime has been larger. savanski called a native to strike russia preventively to neutralize the so called nuclear threat coming from russia by nuclear. us read, i suppose humans of russia's nuclear capability. that's a, that's a statement that was interpreted in moscow as the, as an invitation to strike russia's nuclear capacity of russia's nuclear facilities

. what do you seeing at the chances of the west responding positively to something like that? and i certainly hope not. i would like to believe that same voice as will pertain in the west. look, this is the last key is the middle of the war. he's dealing with what i can only imagine his extraordinary psychological stress and extraordinary precious within his own government. but the fact that he is in that position and that he perceives themselves as the aggrieved party, it may lead him to make statements that are not at all prudent. for any one, they are not prudent for you cranes that are not prudent for the united states, and they are not prudent for russia. so is certainly my hopes of us will not take any imprudent actions based on begging, pleading protestations or admonitions coming out of ukraine. ultimately, united states exerts control of ukraine. we sometimes loose trace of that fact ukraine makes the statement we meet, must have high mars. we must have long range highmore,

as we must do extra. why the united states must acknowledge the simple fact that ukraine ultimately do whatever the united states wants it to do. that's the simple fact for better or for worse, that's the way it is. we are not controlled by mr. zaleski. this is the last key. ultimately it's controlled by us. so there is no way in the world that the us should be acting on every statement. the mrs will ask the mx and they certainly should not be acting on statements so it could lead to rapid escalation and nuclear war route. let's leave it at that. thank you very much for your time and congratulations on the book. thank you, and thank you for watching cope to syria again on was a part of the

the more than 700 people are arrested over night as france continues to burn in the wake of a fatal police shooting of a 17 year old french algerian, on tuesday and archie corresponded, addressed as a meeting of the un security council, highlighting how the shelling of civilians in the dawn bast frequently goes unnoticed and know what i now give the floor to mister k. those weapons being supplied by nato and their allies to ukraine are being willing to be targeted against civilian populations on

a daily basis. override to us the invisible semester media. and a kenya and human rights body launch is an investigation into a legend, mass atrocities by security guards at a local us own pineapple farm. we hear from one of the big defeats. the guards thoroughly beaten the left me and conscious and dragged me deep inside the pineapple. later in the evening, the cared me outside the plantation and left me to die at the roadside. by that time i was seriously the coming to you from the russian capital. this is our to international with the weekly featuring our top stories from all around. i'm fiorella isabel. great to have you join us. we begin with our top story chaos continues terrain in cities across france. following tuesdays police killing of

a young algerian man. the french politician and former presidential candidate eric the more believes the under a scene in france over the past week is tantamount to a civil war of web. derek, we can clearly see that we're in the early stages of

a civil war. what is the civil war? it's a confrontation between one part of the population against public authorities or the state is exactly what we have here today. this is an ethnic rise because every way we see losing way people rushed to luxury products. so today the consumption stores police were deployed in mass across paris and used here gas against protesters. $45.00 officers were injured in the clashes and a total of $719.00 people were arrested across the country overnight on saturday. in economy and south of paris, protesters rammed a car into the house of the local mer, according to officials, the suspects that the car on fire and try to burn the house down with it, injuring the politicians wife. and in the southern city of marseilles, the situation was tense during the night with police arresting, more than 50 individuals were loading stores. the classes went on until dawn with

tear gas used against the crowds. meanwhile, in the on the shops were vandalized and load it on saturday night. $31.00 police stations were also targeted with at least one of them being bombed with an improvised explosive device. the french justice administered, threatened to prosecute anyone who insides, riots on social media, sitters, you go through this, this is unbearable and it's enough. so we have everything that's our disposal and the courts are meeting their obligations for a fee. no response does not have the amount that strong and systematic and also to pursue and identify people on snapshots and to tell the parents to get hold of their kids. it's not up to the state to raise their children. the minister also warrant that any parents whose children take part in the rides could face up to 2 years in prison or a 30000 euro fine. several days of interest kicked off after a traffic stop on tuesday, resulted in police fatally shooting

a 17 year old french old jared who was driving a stolen car. the police and montera attempted to pull over the car with polish license plates. but when detain reportedly tried to speed off, officers open fire at close range, getting him in the chest. his funeral was held on saturday in the same parisian suburb where he was shot dead with crowds gathering to show their solidarity. the incident has re ignited concerns about racial profiling and police brutality in the country. political analysts use of mari told us that while the riots are on necessarily violets, the societal divide has been created because of what he calls discrimination of the hands of french authorities. you know,

i'm talking about public and civil unrest that constantly happens in france every year. of course, i'm not in any way supporting the rights that are taking place in france. i think a lot of it had been very violent. and so something every person should come down by one should never take place in such a situation. but i think this is an indication of the grown frustration of the masses of the people. they're going to be frustrated with the french government. and the reason they, you know, be across the spectrum, where do you begin discrimination, racism, 3 clean government policies that directly target people with religious background. if you practice and you'll be able hand religions, you know, you are no longer class to be practicing those really just kind of because this is the government is in acting a secular, uh secular policy which directly targets the religious ideologies of, of anybody who follows a religious background,

this is the growing frustration that the people in france are protesting. and unfortunately why you think about is because of, they're not, they're simply not agree with the policies of their government. the mass on rest and france has spilled over onto neighboring switzerland where police have detained 7 people, including 6 use during overnight riots in the city of we signed up for more than a 100 riders attached shops and police officers, according to local authorities. the unrest with spark by calls on social media to take to the streets in support of those in france. and meanwhile, a bus transferring $41.00 chinese taurus was attacked at mid protest in the same area with some passengers standing minor injuries and the windshield of the vehicle being broken. following the incident, the bus changed its route towards switzerland and resulted in the chinese council. it protesting to local authorities.

to discuss this further, let's go live to share professor i choose child university. victor. go welcome victor. so, do you think the latest attack on a chinese tor bus was deliberate or do you think the travelers were just up the wrong place? at the wrong time. thank you very much for having me. i seeing the protest riots. the products you many sits is a very unfortunate, hopefully calm will be restored as soon as possible for the attack on the chinese tours in the past. i personally hope it's read the attack is not targeted. and fortunately, the one was killed and the injuries was suffered. and the decision was made right away on the spot to divert the bus to switzerland. so that the present guys might have already, uh, thrown out all sorts in the back all china. so eventually this is

a fortune to see off to a very unfortunate attack on chinese towards i hope you will not be repeated. i hope no deliberate attacks will be targeting civilians and torres in particular. and i hope we don't put these things up behind us. let's restore peace and friendship between china and products out there all next year. we'll be mocking the 6 steps and the rest 3 of the novelization of relations between china and browse and trends of micro i'm present. she can be i'm trying to have to glad the 2020 full to be the. yeah. all cultural exchange and tourism between china and products. so let's focus on the price of days to call, especially in the year of 2024. now, as a result of several states including china have called on your citizens to refrain from going to france. we senior a, be

a very much unstable in recent months with many protests throughout. do you think it's possible that these peers are justified and that the tensions will continue to escalate? or um, why do you think this has spilled over into neighboring switzerland as well? why do you think that's happening? the 1st of all, the stuff is the main reason for the protests. the problems is related to the keeping of the 17 year old apple. uh, citizen, uh, the process was very unfortunately, uh, killed by a local police. this should be investigative, and eventually there was any violation of the law. it should be published. however, i personally believe there is a deep uh, reason for the wide spread fontes in brows at possibly many other countries to come . because there is a deeply rooted says i'll be.