needs an escalating volume of heavy and light weapons and ammunition can don't, did, celebrations, weapons being supplied by nato and their allies, to ukraine. i being, we will, for the targeted against civilian populations on a daily basis. dumbass, the guns failed the old miraculous, the invisibles, the western media. following the security council meeting, my colleagues pay to scott, discuss the details with shay bowes here in the studio. but it's a huge stage. you know, i mean as a journalist and somebody who's trying to challenge the narrative switch, western media, you know, a paddling, you know, regularly daily is it's a huge honor to, to, to get that opportunity. the idea of the meeting was talking about the weapons, the proliferation of weapons and nuclear and how dangerous that has become. and this was the key point that i focused on at regarding the flooding of euclid and utility in society. and the impact is having on the country. also the sort of cynical dumping of weapons and g, trained by smaller nato countries on,

on the promise of being given newer systems for the united states. so the research we did on investigations into that, that a lot of this stuff doesn't work, that is actually puts the use as a risk. so we've, we sort of went through a process of examining that, trying to present the evidence that you know, this war was built up since 2014, with nato training 10000 people a year. it didn't just immediately, you know, spring to life. do you claim the minister's boss, military machine that have been built, the acceleration of shelling across the line of contact just prior to the russian military and intervention as well? and another thing that came up, i suppose, was the you and i'm boss the russian. you in on boss that are, is the view the, the key is good isn't and it's appears that the worst thing to rates is the key every shame and try to present the case in such a way that they began on and ukraine and even the beginning of the military operation to repel russian aggression. this scheme has turned into something like a private military campaign of ukraine in a year and

a off because at that point we ship what kind of damage has rusher inflicted on the united states o e u. countries that would explain the motives of us citizens with west and weapons pulled a sabotage on the north stream, $1.00 and $2.00 gas pipeline or terrorist attacks on permanent public figures. how did the remark by the russian representative to you and, and named starts your just, how does it go down? what's the response? did gushing well, you're very quickly get a sense for the sort of practice on the, during the chamber. and that's a friendly countries. the rush, it would take me to, i think, max blumenthal, he's a giant, the journalism really, you know, on the dissenting side against this narrative that russia is solely responsible for the conflict and ukraine. so you can see that in the chain with the british, the americans and the nato countries, they seem to have a prescribed response to everything we say they didn't engage in any actual detail and the, the factual evidence that max and i am the boss or indeed at res, so it tends to be almost

a look the other way said there is no intention really to engage with the platform and the ability to project this dissenting view to present the findings. facts like, uh, you know, the fading counter offensive and you find which i raise the fact that these a very unfortunate young ukrainian men are being sent into emissions that nato forces would not be sent into into prepared, defense has added onto mine fields in, in some cases quite old equipments. i mentioned one of the, our personal carriers that were seeing a lot of in ukraine and the, and 113, developed in 1964 so action in vietnam. yet it's being rolled out across prepared defenses. in the south of, of done that skin dumbass against these prepared defences, and it just shows the soonest isn't in my view. and this is what i mentioned to the chamber that ukrainian lives are held in at the finish. i, i did mention, i made a point to mention that to represent my visits to areas where ordinary civilians

have been shelves with weapons provided by the nato countries. now i reiterated that several times because i feel it's in my obligation to do that. as a journalist who's traveled with these people seen their homes burned, it's really incumbent that we use these opportunities to tell the truth about what's been happening in these regions with the ukraine conflict as the 1st f, as by the west, through bronze, russia, as a threats to the world that's according to the an east coast christian edge campaign manager for robert f. kennedy junior, who's running for the us presidency and next year's election. and the latest episode of guns on the ground with option with times the coach. and it speaks about the consequences of anti russian politics. thankful episode will be available tomorrow. hey, on the t for now. here's a preview. your permission district that are represented in the united states congress for 16 years was multiethnic. and it contained many russians and many ukrainians as well. you know, it was true for with ease up each other socially and,

and, and, and people, families together, marriages between folks, you know, what's happened is a, is a horrible effort to divide. people for political purposes only started years ago with the orange revolutions that were shipped to you to try to establish an area that was the code that put russia florida should pretty much connect to the russian world. totally based on, on power politics. and it continue with the broken promises of not advancing nato, our politics, nothing to do with the interest of the united states of america. and frankly, nothing to do with the interest or of the people here. but now, after hundreds of thousands of the ukrainians,

men and women have perished in war. it should and everybody's lot to work continues . and it seems that the united states and data was pushing with war to before until the last ukrainian. this is an abomination. the misstates of the organization for islamic cooperation have called full collective action in order to put an end to repeated incidents of his lama. so it'd be a, here's where the organization secretary general has saying, brought him to his, says, a love other member states must adopt a unified physician and collective measures to prevent the reoccurrence of such despicable actions. we need to send a clear message that packets the desk to create the noble koran and then salt our prophet, muhammad, are not merely ordinary as lama phobia incidence. at the same time, we must send constant reminders to the international community regarding the urgent

application of international law, which clearly prohibits any advocacy of religious hatred. what this comes of paper and pocket stone of galvan and the city of karate to condemn actions against it as long as harmony book and responds to events in sweden, wealth ortiz approved a cron boning demonstration outside of most can still climb on wednesday, during the muslim holiday of 8 focused on a protest as trampled and fund swedish flags. similar riley's have reported me being held in cities across pakistan, as well as some of the demonstrators in collage you have to say is the money, the dis, a creation of the cronan sweden has caused the serious pain in the hearts of muslims around the world, especially here in pakistan, we're so angry and so we're peacefully protesting today and want to send a message to the swedish government and authorities that the must stop these things . the pakistani government should use diplomatic channels to send our message to

them to the week around was burnt in sweden with the support of their government and we strongly condemned. we weren't israel sweden and all other nations. they don't stop, does it creating the cron. there will be no peace in the world who have to respect our beloved profit. our profit, these are red line. and if the crown is a red line or government at 40 off is must cut out 30 people monetize with. with this follows the storming of sweden's embassy and a rock on thursday is part of the middle east and reaction to the scandalous incident in store. okay. hey, rocky protest dispos that way and to begin to see grounds in fox jobs security gone . so eventually managed to clear the area needed a several for dominant. the muslim countries have been nonce people and they go wrong during the protest of stones or they don't. and still came on so say one person was detained at the scene, but he wasn't actually the one who funds the mostly pony,

but the vice done to who attempted to throw a stone at the demonstrates a swedish authorities had granted permission for the co wrong burning protest and they even provided law enforcement protection full. they conscience actual. i mean, well they say chief you install with him book has expressed his support for swedish authorities, allowing a month to book a coronado site is still kind most i think that the acts may have had some feelings, but it was not illegal. understand the motion and the depth of the ceiling. uh, this causes on the actions taken up or offensive and objectionable are not necessarily legally in the so room legal system along with middle eastern countries. tuck yeah. on the egypt. tough being among the states to voice the discontent over the still kind of incidents rushed as president person has also denounced that the burning court and get

a crime. i'll find so we can of us super fast. i call it it. but toffee stays. western countries have taken a hypocritical approach to the scandal. it seems it's not gonna stop until something happened like a new law in the united nation. and got prohibits of such acts of, of bibles against is an idealist, religious in general. and i'm going this funny books without such loans over without punishment to kind of make fun basement for example, to swedish or punishment. this reason they would keep saying that it is the constitution and it's a pretty them on of, of, of, of supposed to expression on. i'm a tab you uh, but this is not do any better. so,

i mean if the, if somebody dares to bury the, is that, i mean it's like for example, or you have to get community for that, then you will find them in prison and you will find them, i guess the most. so this isn't just loads, it's just was designed again sir to the group of people, most of names as well as efforts to develop most settlements in the occupied westbank of spock's, international outrage as australia, canada, as the u. k. have publicly criticized televi tv's policies. all these movie as an ocean of reports from the westbound is the largest riley settlement in the middle of the palestinian territories is home to a thousands of jewish families with kids. and it is going to get even larger. these really high planning committee, the entity within the defense minister are responsible for planning area. see has okay, did the construction of mold and 6 to 600 new housing units and

a number of sacraments all across the west bank. including at least the most pressure people of israel and need all the promised land as it says in the total rush. but somehow with a push to one side of the country. now we're trying to settle and we face of all and so of a level with dancing could exist. i'll answer eastern lodge, all presence in our state. in a row to expansion was a response to a deadly pair attack that happened here in a fall from the entrance to a lead to palestinian gunmen opened fire 1st at the guard and randomly of people at this gas station. it took the lives of boys railey is bringing the total death toll hall was really killed and terrorist incidents here to $28.00 the highest number in decade part. the reason for the terror attack is for us to leave the region. and every time we are attacked, our roots will become stronger, and we will definitely stay here. so every terror attack, we are retaliation will be building more and more because we're here to stay. and

we have the right to stay according to his really, authorities building more homes, reduce people throughout. the last thing is nothing but an effective tool to fight terrorist. and for years i have been saying that the appropriate response to terrorism is to fly that service. and at the same time, to deepen our roots in our country. indeed, we have been charged and the record number of terrace and also build it in our country on a broad scale, according to approve construction plans. i emphasize, approved, approved and not approved even by these really government. this is a brand new outpost across the settlement. right now. basically, it's 5 months old, the things for 5 dues families who are ready to stay here until the authorities approved a new home. the idea they say is to create bouldering jewish communities in the area, connecting them to a chain and to defend routes where they came because of the attack. that 4 of our friends died. they were murdered. and that's why we came here. because when the

arabs wants to kill us and they want to separate us from here, we want to come back here and to make the establishment sir, and bigger scale was indeed unprecedented. so the half a 1000000 jewish that there was even you'll find westbank with clear government support and supplements that all considered illegal on to international law. and expansion goes on and on. the international community is furious. the united states is deeply troubled by these really governments report a decision to advance planning for over 4000 settlement units in the westbank were similarly concerned. for reports of changes to israel system of settlement administration that expedite the planning and approvals of settlements. settlements are legal under international law, as stated consistently, the e, you will not recognize any changes to the pre 1967 borders. settlement activity

threatens current efforts to rebuild trust, to resume civil and security cooperation between palestinians and israelis. and to prepare the ground for an eventual resumption of meaningful and direct negotiations . the government of israel should reverse these decisions and hold all continued settlement expansion. but the u. s. b u n. n b u r, faraway palestinians are all around here and they take is rarely expansion as a threat. the talent of to the most. i a weakness of violent attack by do stuff. there's just recently was dozens of cars burned and houses damaged again in response to the shooting at the gas station, as like a gas that in the body it keeps expanding and expands in on a daily basis. this threats lots of alliance and to the people. threats on the culture and so that's on the village, the, the farming interests on everything. and that is low, open sides, the slides this side. even though we're on the military control,

i think we are the longest nation on that page. in the world. i mean, we just have to fight back. we can't just sit there, let them keep going. we have to do something about it. we can just let them take our land. it's not right, but it seems that 2 states solution that the world is worried, the sacraments policy will prevent from being achieved is log out of the picture, at least for these rarely government. at a close the remaining of the connections for an affairs and defense committee permit us to intend yeah. who reportedly said that israel, we must stop palestinians. escalations for an independent state construction works are expected to start soon, and he is getting ready to bringing new residents as are all there is rally sacraments, all across the west bank and outposts no matter what it is, not exactly clear how new homes and more to recess are assumed, the heart of the palestinian territories will help counter terrorism. but what is clear already? it is not going to help is the tensions reason. notional ality from elli, supplement a palestinian analyst on his way. a fast believes washington,

his own tokens, no action when it comes to course a system of jewish settlements to the additional position. they always say that they are again to prevent policy, but they make no action. can the united states it's, it's the, uh, what all is it, i assume it is where to begin for united states. i'm from spending a donation to sit there for months. and so is there not any organization working on the links for 2 months and at least bank? no, they don't do that. so if they feel please donate these action these activities go on and they do nothing except the issue and get statements from dominguez that are important to them. they are doing nothing by keeping, by doing this me out on leave, and cutting james as an end to continue to it's fullest. they, we, he aware of what we see no action to keep on top of all the latest updates logic in our website. all t don't. com, as always we appreciate your company. thank you for choosing archie international

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the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome to was a part. i didn't get a go when historians were revisiting the origins of the 1st world war. the term sleepwalking became very trendy in describing how divergence actors and self

serving actors tangled together to produced one of the biggest catastrophes in human history. as a world andrews, he had another period of try always to some of the leading, or are we being deliberately lot into an a b 12 to discuss that i'm now joined by benjamin envelope. both are all how the west brockport to ukraine is to add a little bit is great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you for having me. now the title of your book, how the was brought warranty ukraine is quite self explanatory, and unambiguous but the contrary. and then me wants to challenge it immediately. because after all, it was russia that launched this military operation on the ukrainian soil. and this is something that both decision makers and opinion shapers in the west, a trying to frame as, as an act of aggression, a totally unprovoked act of aggression that goes against international law. and i have to say there,

there's some validity to this argument. why do you think it was the was that was the main driving force behind this conflict is one of the points on making the books is to try to distinguish between what are referred to as proximal causes. the causes that immediately preceded a war and the deeper causes it can extend back in history for there's no natural starting point for 11 tries to establish as a sequence of events. so that while i make clear that the immediate cause of the war was mr. food and decided to launch the war p and as the military staff or whoever else in the criminal was intimately involved with the decision. and that sense they bear responsibility for initiating the war. and if the war could have been stopped and preventive at that point, then he bears responsibility. and of course, the russians bear responsibility for how the war is being carried out. what i'm focusing on the book more is not so much the proximal causes but are for it is a distal causes the causes and extend further back in time that are now kind of

hidden from sight that may have been on the newspaper papers. you know the newspaper on the pages of the newspapers years ago and have been forgotten or they may never been on the pages of the papers at all. so it's, i'm focusing mostly on the distal causes and the causes leading up to the current moment. and you know, in your book reminds me reminded me a bit this a 2012 best seller by christopher clark on the origins of the 1st world war the, the sleep workers. and one of the reasons that book was so popular is because he tried to break the old paradigm of assigning a culture it then focusing on the who and the why and a step he was more interested in the structural dynamics of swelling, animosity when you observe um, the way the, the rounds develop on both sides of the atlantic. do you think decision makers are cognizant of how dangerous could it could be?

and perhaps of the historic lessons of the previous conflicts? yeah, that's a great way of framing it with sleep walking. um, i would make just a couple of points 1st. i think i can't speak for the inner mind of the leaders, but just going from what statements i see being made publicly on both sides. i'm sure there's some cognizance of the threat of nuclear war and the danger of this getting out of control. i don't think there's enough. and that's my fear or, or one of the fears connect with this conflict. i'll also just risk for a moment that your comments about world war one. i think very often in the west and, you know, different people have different opinions. but i think the main street view that's coming out of washington and in the media is trying to impose the model of world war to a sort of hit or like expansionist. and unfortunately, there are even some who refer to mr. put in as a new hitler or whatever. and this is i would call a she warning a past event into

a, a current event into a past model. so some people refer to their progress progressed in bed. and i think that the model that people is that's actually more appropriate and the greater concern is the model of world war one, where it on control the arms race between as is usually described in there's complications this, but non control arms race between britain and germany through a series of events and a series of i part of controllable circumstances. contingencies led to the outbreak of a war that was a catastrophe. and i think there's a great danger that we may run into that kind of problem now. and it's that world war one model that needs to be attended too closely in the west and also in russia, of course, one uh, how the united states to accumulate. they cannot make potential. and there are lots of people, not lots, but some of analysts here in moscow who believe that the americans are interested in having another global conflict as a way of overcome me,

the multiplicity of cost of crises that we are facing right now. the crisis of capitalism, the crisis of global governance, ecological crisis. what have you, um, and i would blame that there are some historical precedents of that. i mean, i only klein's book. the shock doctrine clearly demonstrates how the capitalized aims, couldn't be served by, by the use, by the sanction use of states violent ultimately, is this a conflict about the values of the bottom administers and claims, or is it a conflict about resources and you know, getting preferential i'm keeping preferential conditions that the united states has accumulated as a, as a head german. yeah. so i don't see this conflict, so as being one of our values, that's not to say that there might not be differences in values between uh, you know, elements of us population or elements of us leadership and elements of the russian

population. the russian leadership. there may well be some differences, but i don't see it as conflict as having to do with that. i see this primarily as really, frankly, a proxy war on russia's border that is being pursued by the u. s. and then, you know, powers. and i think that there it's, it's not to say that it's all poorly intentions. i think there are probably a range of motivations. some people probably are not seeing clearly, some people are probably very well intentioned, but are imposing outdated models and incorrect models in there which are protection of the events. um, but i think um, so i think the geostrategic thing is very central. there are certainly people in elements of the us, the leads that do want to weekend russia. you know, this whole question of a unipolar world. there is concern about that is the will for which dr. and etc, etc. so i don't see that that's actually uh, i don't like that. i don't like what's going on with respect to that. as far as the

financial, the monetary issues, you know, there certainly are questions built into the background about the, the role of us dollars, the international reserve currency. there's questions of course, about, you know, how international markets work. on the extent to which i've really thought about the financial elements of this is, i do believe there's actually much truth to the concern about the military industrial complex. i'm sure your viewers are aware that this is a term that originally coined and popularized by president eisenhower. who was a 5 star world war, 2 general and hero, and in his farewell addressed to the american public. his final tell of his address, he warranty american, public of the combination of military, a garage, bureaucratic power, and financial interest of the arms industry. and in fact, he even seemed like he was going to go so far as to bring in the question of financial conflicts of interest within congress. but was told mister president, you can't go so far. so i think that there are conflicts and financial conflicts of

interest and power, conflicts of interest that have played some role in motivating the western stances towards what's happening in your book. you make the point that for 200 years of uh, the us as defense policy. it was uh, based, if not on the respect them at least paying some attention to the opponents, red lines or secured to sensibilities. and that's when it came to russia, the united states and nato disregarded this, this principle, a question number one, do you think they made that decision deliberately? was it a conscious choice? and why would they do that? given that, again, the russia is a, is not some 3rd world country. it has nuclear weapons, it has a strong army, it has multiple resources. what do you think would be the ultimate goal of what do, what day would be trying to achieve a cheerfully if they had their dreams fulfilled? yeah,

uh let me just back up one step before i try to respond to that and hopefully i won't lose lose the thread of your, your actual question. as i do this, i just want to make a little clear, the notion of the geography and the red lines. and the question of, um, uh, i referred to in the book the monroe doctrine. this is a doctor in course it was it referred to as a doctor and initially, but it's based on a statement by then present. president monroe in 1823. that really as that time had to do with colonialism, but ultimately has been interpreted in different ways. having to do with the idea that a, a foreign power, that places a potential opponent to places military forces anywhere near us borders anywhere in the western hemisphere even knows it is crossing a red line. one can only imagine what would happen if, for instance, russia had formed an alliance with canada or mexico in cuba. is it that the attempt or even to the right, which is right? yes. cuba, right, of course. and even that's further away than right on the border. and we,

we could see during the cuban missile crisis, how aggressively the us responded, or i don't what say, progressively, it could be defensively. but how, what sort of intense fear is of attack that aroused on the part of the united states, united states, recognize it as its legitimate security interest. and i think everybody else, including the story is actually understood. and that's why they, they would say a set on yeah, yeah, yeah. i think that's very true. so you know that there's a chapter in my book or i called putting the show or the other foot by which i mean to say, how would the us respond if russia or china had done something sort of equivalent, forming an alliance with um, with canada and mexico and we saw what happens, but even with respect to cooper, q of off the coast. how about if was right on the board or as you crane or georgia or other places are right on rushes border. so i think it's very important to try to the you are pulling this new moral equal, and that's what you're trying to say. but being not if there's clearly doesn't c as,