but how, what sort of intense series of attacks that aroused on the part of the united states, united states recognize it as its legitimate security interest. and i think everybody else, including the story is actually understood. and that's why they, they would say a set on yeah, yeah, yeah. i think that's very true. so you know that there's a chapter in my book or i called putting the show or the other foot by which i mean to say, how would the us respond if russia or china had done something sort of equivalent, forming an alliance with um, with canada and mexico and we saw what happened, but even with respect to cooper, q of off the coast. how about if was right on the border as you crane or georgia or other places are right on rushes border. so i think it's very important to try to uh, the, you're pulling this new moral a quote, that's what he's trying to say. but being not if there's clearly doesn't see as, as a, as a close. yeah, i think there's some truth to that. not many people in, in washington. i think another way to look at it also is there is a writer in blog or robert wright who use the term cognitive empathy. and by that,

what he means is sort of your ability to mentally or psychologically transpose yourself and see other issues the other person. and i would say, you know, i think there are people who you could say they have a very, uh, they have a view of russia as is physically evil a, hey, they hate, there certainly are people like that. but i think there are probably others who i would simply say they lack cognitive empathy, by which i mean an inability to transpose themselves into the position of the other sites and see how they would feel, quote, even to reverse that picture and see how they would feel if the other side did the same, especially if the american own security reduction doesn't allow for that. i mean, if you actually look at the american strategic documents, there is no space for empathy of any kind that there is a simple statement, does have gemini, that needs to be protected, but which mr. eval of. let's continue this fascinating conversation after a short break. that's where we have to take right now.

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send, send up the calls course about this. even though we will fan in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the rushes to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for what question did you say from stephen twist, which is the the

welcome back to wells appointment, benjamin envelope, the officer of how the west brought word to your brain. and mr. ablow, we began talking it before the break about how um the lessons of the world will 1 may be relevant in considering this swelling crisis. but i think there are also many 1st that we haven't seen, and one of them would be as far as i would claim, is the uh, 1st the explosion at the north stream pipeline, the act of industrial terrorism. something like this never happened before. even during the cold war and also the, the nuclear threat to, i'm sure, you know, follow the, i know that you, you, you have a keen interest in nuclear 1st and used to lobby congress on your plate issues. and we all know that there is a huge nuclear station, right in the middle of this war zone data is at least according to the russian

narrative has been constantly shelled by ukraine. so let's consider this. first of all, i want to ask for your reactions on the, on the explosions of the north stream pipeline, because regardless of who it is to blame, i think it really shift the frame because it introduces a new norm that though aside can one side can attack the industrial infrastructure and 2nd of all, it also shows that in the area made the naval control, no infrastructure is safe and could be all in fact vulnerable to industrial terrorism. well, i have many things to say about this. i'll try to give you a brief uh and you'll keep me on track if i go to the bad thing. yeah, i just you throw a throw rock and the 1st, obviously this is extremely dangerous uh, movement. i'm not quite sure i'll call escalation, but let's call it a movement of con,

selected to another sphere. whether this was carried out by russia, by the united states, by other nato powers it. uh, i don't think anyone knows for sure yet, although i have an opinion of what i think is most likely. so as a starting point, i want to say that i think this is very dangerous and it could lead to a type of sort of escalation of attacks on, on infrastructure outside of the current battlefield. and this, there's no end to this where this could go. and number 2, i want to make a comment about the reasons why i say more attention needs to be paid. so the possibility in the west of the united states is actually behind us. and then finally, i want to comment on something about the western media, which i've been extremely disappointed in. okay, well, so it looks like it's one by one. why do you think the united states may have some associations without a part from uh, secretary of state anthony, blinking and presenting that as as a great opportunity? yeah. well,

i think the things that are most persuasive to me are statements made by both president biden and by the under secretary of state for a political affairs victoria newland. both of them in this period before the war started. but when russia was ready, mass thing on the board or both of the state is explicitly that they, that the us i, i have the actual quotations. all she read them because i don't want to rely with the paper. i went back to the video which anyone can find online, just search. mr. biting uh, ignored stream to uh, we will end this pipeline um, mr. by the state explicitly. this was made on february 7th at a press conference with um, uh the, the chance i'll a shelter on the, on the podium with him. if russia evades that means tanks or troops crossing the border of ukraine again, then is there, then there will no longer be

a north stream too. we will bring it to an end. and then a member of the press said, how will you do that exactly. since the project and control of a project is within german control, and mr. buys and responded in a very knowing tone, i promise you will be able to do it in a separate presentation. victoria new and the under secretary of state stated, if russia invades ukraine one way or another north stream to will not move forward . i the, i think that those statements alone. they do not prove that the us did it. and i, and ultimate sense, i'm withholding in each judgement with certainty. but in medicine, there's something called prior probability. you look at the full constellation of data that's available before you to undertake a definitive diagnostic test. and you say,

how likely is it that one party one disease or another disease or one party or another? and i would say that these statements were explicit statements about what would happen if russia is aided and then russia invaded. and then this did happen. i would say this place is a high, a high prior probability that the united states was behind. this does not prove it, and i remain open to new evidence. but i think there should be much more concern than there is that this is what happened. but i think i need to make an important clarification for our viewers that mr. barton made the statement about north stream to pipeline the new pipeline that russia constructed. whereas the explosions took place. i've been north stream one pipeline reach, but still is pretty much the same because that pipeline was intended and it was, it was intended to bring natural gas to germany as well as to many other countries . now, uh, the americans like to talk about the solidity of that a lot and says particular, the alliance is with your a ben,

it's pretty clear to anyone who's, who knows anything about how industry all to raise that german economy until logics done done. and many other european economies would build on the access to affordable russian energy sources. that's the very foundation or one of the foundations of european prosperity. if we take on that hypothesis that the united states was behind it one way or another, or that if even function in that it approve of it, which you know, anthony blinking sat it exclusively. that is a great opportunity. what do you think would be? what do you think that would say about the american attitude towards if it's european allies, do you think they will be able to function to maintain the industrial capacity without having energy? that yeah, well 1st, so let me just comment briefly on your point about north stream one versus north stream 2. and i think that's an excellent point. one that i'd not be focusing on. i do want to make what i think maybe one small correction,

unless there's some new news today. my understanding was that at least as of yesterday, they were a total of 3 explosions affecting both pipelines. however, each pipeline has to is a double pipeline. so my understanding is that both of the, both of the pipelines of the duplex pipeline in north stream one were damaged and one of the 2 in north stream 2 or damage. and my suspicion is that the other one that whoever was planning this actually intended to hit all 4, but things get complicated at uh, 250 feet below the ocean surface. and so i think that is a valid point that you're raising. and then perhaps it should make one a little bit less certain or a little bit less confident that it was the us and maybe it takes a little bit of pressure weight off the statements in vitamin newland. uh, what does it say about the relationships about it if the us did in fact carry this out and i want to get to the press also, maybe you can focus my question after that. but what does this say about the

relationship? if this happens? certainly the united states has long been opposed to the north stream to pipeline. certainly, some people have pointed out that this if, if the north stream to pipeline or the north stream one also stopped operating. that this would create tremendous markets, new markets for liquefied natural gas coming from the united states. certainly the there could be influence as along those lines. i am not quite so mercenary. and as cynical in my interpretation there, i think again that some of this may have come from what were, among some people, at least, you know, well intentioned, that they correctly or wrong correctly or incorrectly had a deep fear of russia and didn't want not want a closer alliance between russia and germany, and they saw the supply of natural gas as a, uh, an important element of that, that, and one of the motivations that one could posit, would be, uh, you could almost call it a desperate attempt to keep uh,

russia and germany from developing a closer connection, that perhaps germany would be peeled off, so to speak, from the western atlantic alliance and move somewhere closer to russia. in the winter, the german population began to become extremely uncomfortable with cold weather, etc. so uh uh, so i, yeah, i think i'll leave it at that for the moment. now, uh, before we go to the prize, if you have time for of, i want to use your expertise as a, as a nuclear expert because the, the station surrounding these approach the nuclear plant, as well as other nuclear capacities that ukraine has, is it is pretty troubling and there were some times, at least in russia, i believe that the ukraine leadership is using nuclear threat and the threat of, uh, nuclear accidents as a bargaining chip. not only with russia, but even more so with the west. do you think these explosions are the gas pipelines

may change the stance of the ukrainian or stores, or maybe the understanding of what's permitted and what is not me? and when you ask us from it or what's not, are you, do you have a specific type of attack in mind? well, it's pretty clear that an attack on the gas pipeline is pretty dangerous, not only in terms of a ecological impact, but also, you know, thank god nobody has suffered. but if there is a continued showing on the nuclear station, and the damage could be a far more significant, and yet both of these possibilities represent a case of, of a, of an industrial terrorism. yeah, well of course you crane is claiming that russia is shelling the yeah. while the russian forces are being stationed there. right. right. i, i, again, i would say i withhold 100 percent judgment, but i find it rather implausible. the idea that russia would take over the plant and then shell its own forces and attempt to destroy the power plants except this,

this was a nuclear reactor. there. i don't really see what motives are, but also i think that it's true that within the ukrainian forces there is probably quite a range of players involved. although groups such as the, as a battalion or the far right, the quote unquote neo fascist or what whatever names you want to use. certainly far right. highly nationalistic elements, although they've been more fully incorporated into the ukranian forces than they used to be. they used to operate, to some extent, send me autonomously. i, i think there's probably still a much wider range of and much less top down control than there might be. and then i suspect, and there is within the russian forces. so i think it's possible that there are either elements within the, for any forces. it could also be something really from central you printing and government. but uh, so i don't know the details there. i also know a 100 percent. it's been years since i focused on some of these issues, whether in a taxi or could actually initiate a meltdown of the reactor,

or whether it's simply disposing radioactive material either way it would be a disaster. yeah. can i ask you something you are as quickly and we are running out of time very, very fast. but i don't know if you, if you heard this news, but just a few hours ago, the crime has been larger. savanski called a maitre to strike russia preventively, to neutralize the so called nuclear threat coming from russia by nuclear us, right? i suppose humans of russia's nuclear capability. uh, that's a, that's a statement that was interpreted in mosca as the, as an invitation to stripe russia's nuclear capacity of russia's new facilities. what do you think of the chances of the west responding positively to something like that? and i certainly hope not. i would like to believe that same voice as will pertain in the west. look, this is the last key, isn't middle of a war. he's dealing with what i can only imagine is extraordinary psychological stress and extraordinary precious within his own government. but the fact that he

is in that position and that he perceive themselves as the aggrieved party, it may lead him to make statements that are not at all prudent. for any one, they are not prudent for you cranes that are not prudent for the united states, and that you're not prudent for russia. so is certainly my hopes of us will not take any imprudent actions based on begging, pleading protestations or admissions coming out of ukraine. ultimately, united states exhorts control of ukraine. we sometimes lose trace of that fact. ukraine makes a statement. we must have high morals. we must have long range highmore, as we must do extra. why the united states must acknowledge the simple fact that ukraine ultimately do whatever the united states wants it to do. that's the simple fact for better for worse, that's the way it is. we are not controlled by mr. zaleski. this is the last key. ultimately, it's controlled by us so, so there's no way in the world that the us should be acting on every statement. the

mrs will ask the mx and they certainly should not be acting on statements so it could lead to rapid escalation and nuclear war route. let's leave it at that. thank you very much for your time and congratulations on the book. thank you and thank you for watching cope this area again on was a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the, the, the,

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targeted against civilian populations on a daily basis or miraculous thing. invisibles. the west and media finds the organization for as long as corporation close to the collective unction of gangs were painted, the acts of islamic stow, the following, the latest burning of the co wrong during a sanctioned protesting speed. the, the very will welcome you, watching the weekly hearing on the international with the very latest world news updates on the round of the stories with shapes the week is good to have you with us. and we starting from for these 10 northern cities have declared a tough you to tackle. okay. all right, so the groups of the country since tuesday, the on west with sparks by the police killing of

a young man of old jerry and descent in par. the french politician on the phone, the presidential candidate erickson more believes the on west stadium phones over the past weekend is tantamount to civil war. this is web. eric, we can clearly see that we're in the early stages of a civil war. what is the civil war? it's

a confrontation between one part of the population against public authorities or the state is exactly what we have here today. this is an ethnic rise because every way we see losing way people rushed to luxury products. so today the consumption stores, the most competitive police offices deployed across power itself. a lease to a gas against protest is at least $4.00 to $5.00 offices were injured in the clashes while a total of $719.00 people were rested across the country. overnight on saturday, and they come you in south of paris protest as well as the car into the house at the los met. according to officials, the suspects set the vehicle on fire and then crashed into the politicians house, injuring his wife. under the southern city of law, say the situation was 10 steering the knights with police arresting more than 50 individuals who with nursing stores. the clashes went on until dawn with tear gas use the games, the crowd in the on the shops with vandalized and lose it on saturday nights. so

the one police stations will also targeted with at least one of them being kids with an improvised phone and response to the violence. the french national police alliance has urged paris to crack down on protest is which of being branded violence minority in the face of these wild towards asking for call them is notes enough. we must impose, it's all colleagues select the majority of citizens can no longer about to sell for the dictates of the small islands minorities. today, the police are fighting because we are, it's war tomorrow. we will be in resistance and the governments will have to be aware of its, we should actually, or the find the meaning of the democratic states says a democracies, especially in the western world, have been involved in lately. and the, these kind of comments actually seem normal these days in these countries, france is very keen on the actually use, very picky on the,

on the simulation. and it's, it's, it's actually it's as a foot force, the simulation policy. and this, uh, its focus is also on secure lives and the one identity policy. so they want it for sure everyone to do everything but with the immigration. when did the, with the melting pots happening in france, this is going to be, this is going to be very hard. and the ad to the economic issues of the country is dealing with. so this is a melting, this is a fox uh to, to do this after the upcoming years. the on rest with splunk software, deadly incident in doing a traffic stop at a stop is that the power is on tuesday. when the police show a 17 year old suspects who was driving his stolen car, the office isn't going to attempt to, to, to, to be called with police license case. but when the team tried to speed off offices

i can find at close range hitting him in the chest, his funeral was held on saturday with crowns gathering, to show the sole authority incident as we ignited concerns of the racial profiling ins. police police force policy in the country. meanwhile, the french justice minister directions to prosecute. anyone who insides riots on social media. and this quote on powers to control that children or otherwise face up to 2 years in prison, on the 30000 euro, fine. the violence in phones is spilled over into neighboring switzerland where police detained at least 7 people during the night, riots. and this is the of the son of the more than a 100 people attacks shops on police officers that according to local authorities, the unrest with sparks by coals on social media to take to the streets and support which is protested in from the latest international reaction to the on resting phones has come from tyrone,

which is called on power is to allow people to protest pay for the peacefully the french government is expected to put an end to the violent treatment of its people by respect and principles based on human dignity, freedom of speech and the right of citizens to peaceful protests to wrong university professor of political communication. so it is all they say is power is profess to orchestrate. civil was in other countries instead of focusing on problems inside phones. a demonize ation of the minorities that have been under operation for many decades. that is not the right solution to the problems that the see to the people living under oppression. people, there is this thing good racism people, that thing and justice, economic injustice, social. i mean justice culture and the justice that has the people must

go in a jingle in london needs to show at the level of a solid attitude, opposed to what the 1st element is doing it for its own people. uh, i think the 1st like the 2nd point, you know, you know, one way to brian last year. and this is 7 was the 1st show for sure this call didn't get it's happening in paris. i mean, other phonetic cities that was supposed to happen to her, and, you know, yes, it is. the health of the french government and other listen governments i, the vision changed into mind. so the former colonialist that went through a gauge in creating animosity among people create the civil laws in other countries and see unfortunately what they are trying to do in other countries is happening in their own kids. because if i defeating in other people's business, they manage to miss what they need to get into. and then it says, this is alyssa,

that listen for the french government to correct. that's fine policy and domestic pharmacy. this stuff racism is stuff that the conquered of racism. is inside fans or people inside you'd on, but the essential is that the advocates would make is why it's in front of a sudden the notes of the soul. the country government has previously been accused of failing to address the root causes all such incidents as we explain in more detail on our website. all teeth don't com and i'll say correspondence has addressed amazing of the un security council focused on the current threats to international peace and security. se, but as drew attention to how ukraine shelling of civilians and don't boss with nature supplied weapons. goes on, reported in the west. i now give the floor to mister k vows. well, thank you for asking me to appear this gentleman a chairman and display well over a year of frenzy. then what has network is does loosely regulated supply of ink

calculable numbers a weapon? few grain sources within the country still maintained that it needs an escalating volume of heavy, unlike weapons and ammunition to conduct this operations. weapons being supplied by nato other allies to ukraine are being we will for the targeted against civilian populations on a daily basis. the dumbass guns failed her of all miraculous the invisible, the western media. following basic curious accounts, amazing, my colleagues pay to scroll, discuss the details with shape bows here in the studio. but it's a huge stage. you know, i mean as a journalist and somebody who's trying to challenge the narrative switch, western media, you know, paddling, you know, regularly daily is it's a huge honor to, to, to get that opportunity. the idea of the meeting was talking about the weapons, the proliferation of weapons, and you create how dangerous that has become. and this was the key point that i