to add a resume, a series on the console conditions and negotiations, but unfortunately, uh, this offer was not taken off. and uh, it's a true uh, the rest nato does not seem to be particularly interested, bought a frankly, also from the russian federation. i did not really a sense at this urgency, you know, to kind of get back and, and, and, and tried to uh, to reinvigorate this uh, honest control architecture. so that was uh, i think at the lack of interest. uh, if i uh, all the relevant stakeholders and diesels, frustrated to look at the same is true for a dollar example 5 that wanted to address, and that is the main screen. and so you know that the tribes to the

rates the contract then that ended on boss. and i think of course being far from perfect, but they would have to re present the blueprint. the results of these are the complete ended on boss uh uh, bartley, about 50 exception off a relatively short period of time. i think that was never. and at the same time, at as a genuine political commitment on either side to take these agreements seriously. on the one side, that was a reluctance to implement, to talk to the political formations on the other. there was a re dockins to really deal seriously with the security probations. and basically that was an ongoing plain game and, and, and, and, and, and, and if i want to come 1st, what do you think of provisions? i'll fit you into probation. well, and that's why what's going on as don't pass was being continuously show from the

ukrainian sides and the majority of the desktop. we know that it gets documented and in part thanks to the or c emissions the, the majority of casualties of the war. a starting from 2014 was on the eastern new cranium side on the separate to side. but putting that aside, i want to ask you about sort of the, whether the negotiating process holds any prospect whatsoever at this point. because russia took a very dramatic step for itself. i think many russians shocked by the actions of the russian government they and it only came with a time i seen when the decision makers would come to a point or to a conclusion when they would not believe in the negotiating process. and i think there is a strong sense in moscow that piece process the conflicting efforts have been methodically abused at all the negotiations. i used simply as a measure of getting some respite for military action and never, never committed to with, you know, a will to implement that. is there any uh,

legitimacy to, to that kind of opinions? i would agree that you know the fights are and died and i use the plural eventually and not the people i'm optically. and besides the, or this is big, there were certain time periods but never, never overlapping. then i said as that was a genuine commitment to move forward with implementing at the means of agreements, for instance, a few months after presidential landscape to power. i really have the feeling that, that, that, that was a genuine commitment about then you know, at the window also, but you need the cost. and, and, you know, when i last but my mandate, the effect of the child and i kind of, you know, so that to be a meets of something very protracted. and i didn't see of a out which in my,

you 1000 costs. if i a war box, i have c see bit the frustration, but again, i would put the blame on both sides for and this lack of a general ivy to implement the means to grievance. ok, well mr. government over have to give her some break right now. but she will be back in just a few moments station. the . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

very clear to get a time time to sit down and talk to the supervisor. see what's printing. what was the route that was coming of the this is just so basically of course we need your last name was needed. read those can, will be used to be imagine we have some more more for someone who was this, we would show new people to the, the or

the best of all the parts with thomas parameter, director of the geneva center for security policy on former secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe. mr. graham and your uh, in 2025 the how soon would you add the, the founding document? uh for the or c will mark is 50th anniversary and it has some beautiful principals there that actually helped us put an end to the cold war. and i think one that i asked was sign, there was a clear recognition that differences exist and that they have to be dealt with. and yet when we look at the year of right now, there seems to be so much stress on you need to you. there is barely annual for

even the negotiation, not only between russia and europe or russia and the west, but even within the west. why do you think 50 years after the creation of the, or c, which is supposedly dedicated to freedom of speech, to you know, dialogue as contentious as it may be? why do you think there's such a fervor such a demand on uniform agreement within western attempts to this? i think to meet the house again. uh, come back to uh, uh, an era off. there are a tough tale, political, a computation, and unfortunate the, you know, the print, the principal, the fact you referred to with that were agreed in, in the framework of the helsinki final accord in 1975 and the, and, and then resubmit that by, by states again,

in 19191999 into a uh, 2010 the not enough summer. unfortunately. eh, bye. know what the questions these principles i think that has at least late to not being serious or time to be to be to delay must be being these principles. and disney labor day is i add these bases. he buys the land mustang needs to be addressed. and a scanner not addressed it, they, uh, it leads to poly tensions and, and, and, and, and compensate. and let me illustrate that point. you know, it varies regarding all those states that the are jail, aka for the jell correct graphic. they'd be the, the russian federation and nato, and it varies a and you, you a lot of twitter in your introductory comments. and there is an issue and it'd beat

star state the slides because you have the database or do you need your security lay, elizabeth, specifically their secure interest is because russian never precluded down from developing their democracy. the markets, whatever they won. the issue was always as the name of the organization stresses on security. yeah. correct. correct. so there is a about 2 principles and backed by the charter east and all the dry sleep optic lights, there is the principal is off indivisibility of security. that is, you asked to say it shouldn't increase your security at the expense of an offer, and there isn't all the principal at dot allows us the state to freely choose your security arrangements. now if you apply these 2 principles to states, flag, georgia, ukraine, media as a badge umbrella, russo, i'm all of you have a dilemma and you can as a tried to solve these dilemma by force and,

but that's probably not as advisable. uh, i think there are people knocked, it needs to deal with this issue and back to the property, then lead to, to, and all at an agreement on the status of these countries that is close to non alignment neutrality. something like that combined meet security guarantees. combined, obsolete arms control agreements, you know, that would prevent, for instance, nato in establishing natal infrastructure at the, a ukrainian or russian border using that's to uh, a reality specifically on the principle of individuals ability of security. because i heard you say no, i think it's some panel that you would laugh uh, the country is the member states by 2025. not only the commit to the old principles, but to try to read the find them in the, in a new way that would be workable for all. do you think that's still a possibility?

i think not by 2025 at bought. you know, if you think concepts prevention long term into your atlantic in your ration area, i don't see any all the way then to a deeded beat that the line must be be dispensed. cuz i don't think the global conflicts can be one way of dealing with it don't. absolutely. and i think if you want that, i will need either. and i think at some point the need to a come back to the aggregation table and then basically going doctor, trying to reconstruct their, your b security order. you know that, that allows us to reconnect with these principles box by you open to addressing these. um, do you see that most and uh, i think uh the doctors are vision. uh, it's not gonna happen tomorrow about the my top and they start res, politically implies ages. well, a for that to have happened besides,

also need to come to a 2nd calculus that a piece is more beneficial for, for that goals then the war. and i think from the russian side, it's pretty, it's easier to defined where the russians can draw that line because they may have been very open about it. but what about the west one? do you think the western powers will calculate that? a piece is uh, is better for that long term uh, security goals then war or them the proxy conflict. look, i don't have a great football x it, but i would agree with 0 with that the backlog, the socks archman calls the mutual you heard things stay made, which makes the columns they tried for resolution is not reached yet. and i think both sides state and seem to be released stopped by military means they can reach a much more advantageous uh, negotiation pulsation. i wouldn't exclude that at some point. you know,

they're at ration expulsion, sightseeing and, and you know, that resource option of negotiations. i bought for the time being, uh, i but my uh, the most realistic scenario that i see for months to companies. unfortunately, continuation of a high density complex. now, uh, in previous conflicts uh, in which european powers took part. i mean in various conflicts of the century and the cost to the european population was either minimal or non. this time around is different than the economic advantage corporation that has long served as the as the pillar. also i have both the village and cost of prevention and your has been some right. how big of a challenge is it for european countries as far as you're concerned? and do you think that will lead to any sort of reassessment in, in values or political commitments in, in europe?

i would absolutely agree that the costs are half being enormous in, in your, in a time terms in economic terms, in political terms. uh, you know, the issue with the us, a current agent moving in some sort of a cold war spot, i think in the short term uh, you know, the energy shortages, etc. i think that being, that would be the people people saw for about my perception. you know, off fax, it political situation in your being congress is cleaning it all with that. and this is all, these are the, the ukraine is thoughts and that, you know, dease sufferings are taken into account and, and,

and so it's neat or, you know, the rest of it, you flows and or damage or to just asked me to change at these, to in the medium term, the perception of you know, that you're be in the audience. i remember that in the always the golden years, there was a lot of tension between political rights and economic cries and war develop more prosperous countries were sort of in the habit of a preaching down to a less prosperous. and in our view, also retiring neighbors and sort of prioritizing political rights over the economic necessity given that europe. uh, for the 1st time i this century has to deal with the past to actually struggle with fulfillment though for can only cries for it for its own citizens. do you think it may change the dis, course at least in general and the realization how,

how important is the economy versus politics? i hope it will lead us again to recognize how important a comprehensive approach to securities and basically the political russian, all of the csc and the always, the laws are always uh, combining uh, political military, uh, issues military uh, ss hall security issue long and economic and environmental affairs, the 2nd by mentioned and the human dimension, meaning a respect for human rights for will of last democratic institutions. and i agree with deal with that has been the history of the always the is the history of play one i mentioned against the other. but again, at the same time, the organization has always been proud for its comprehensive approach is that you're at the and the as the security channel, i have always reminded participating states at the end, you know, so security,

it consists of these different dimensions. and you should also be respectful of patient. i've mentioned, there's also respect all the states, you know, that may perceive economic and environmental a fast would be a more, more relevant like the central asian style. they should be here saying that we have to be respectful of diversity, which don't you think has become around the controversial proposition. this, these, the diversity of views, political, economic, humanitarian views, should be respected. i agree with you, but this is a unfortunately, this is a feature of the extremely polarized police, secure environment that they are currently in. it's, it's a feature and also cold war. for those of us to have half of these 2 coldwell wells fargo the cold war and correct me if i'm wrong because i was born in the final years of the cold war. but i remember that at that time,

difference was actually respected because it was dangerous. there was a realization that was fear, that if you don't respect the, your partner enough, you know, they, the wolf can blow up into pieces. do seeing that here. that's the response for, for the enemy is there. i think very stated at these, the, among the major powers that there is still a certain respect, you know, for so for instance, for the concept of mutually assured destruction. i think that it hasn't been seriously on the mind or and, and fortunately and above, you know, what was the typical feature of the cold war was basically these uh, images of the, any am dollar to it. uh i'm right, you're wrong by definition eh, and i think i see that happen again and on both sides. you know, i'm, i'm,

i wonder between the rules and i'm struck at by that and that so both sides of invest, a locked in narratives that are then being sold market that as deep sold tools. well, at that time, back in the seventy's, the 2 sides were wise enough to come up with the new forum and you east west for them to try to discuss those differences. let's keep our fingers crossed, the the that is still possible in this day and age. in any case, i really appreciate your bravery and your time during this interview. thank you. thank you so much for your interest. and thank you for watching hope to hear again and was a part of the

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