great, again, a comment on the standing on how to add a resume, a series on the control conditions and negotiations. but unfortunately, this offer was not taken off and it's true. and the rest nato does not seem to be particularly interesting about a, frankly, also from the russian federation. i did not really a sense at this urgency, you know, to kind of get back and, and, and, and try to reinvigorate this arms control architecture. so that was where i think at the lack of interest a, by all the relevant stakeholders and diesels, frustrated, they can look at the same is true for a dollar example 5 that wanted to address. and that is a means to agreements. you know that the tribes to the latest to conflict in that

ended on boss. and i think of course the be far from perfect, but they would have to re present the blueprint. the result is that these are the complete ended on boss uh uh, partly about 50 x x and off a relatively short period of time. i think that was never asked the same time at as a genuine political commitment on either side to take uh these agreements seriously . uh, on the one side that was a re lockson's to implement, to talk to the political formations on the other. that was a re dockins to really the seriously be the security probations. and basically that was an ongoing plain game and, and, and, and, and, and, and if i want to converse,

what we think of our vision is i'll send you a to probation. well, and that's fine, what's going on as don't pass was being continuously shell from the ukrainian sides and the majority of the desktop. we know that like it's documented. and in part, thanks to the or c emissions the, the majority of casualties of doctors who are starting from 2014 was on the eastern ukrainian side on the separate to side. but putting that aside, i want to ask you about the sort of the, whether the negotiating process holds any prospect whatsoever at this point. because russia took a very dramatic step for itself. i think many russians are shocked by the actions of the russian government they and it only came with a time i seen when the decision makers would come to a point or to a conclusion when they would not believe in the negotiating process. and i think there is a strong sense in moscow, the peace process. the conflicting efforts have been methodically abused at all the negotiations. i used simply as a measure of getting some respite for military action and never,

never committed to west uh, you know, a will to implement that. uh, is there any uh, legitimacy to, to that kind of opinions that i would agree that you know the fights are and i, and i use the plural eventually and not at the plum optically. and besides the are, this is big. there were certain time periods, but they were never overlapping. then i said, as that was a genuine commitment to move forward with implementing ad there means agreements, for instance, a few months after presidential landscape to power. i really have the feeling that, that, that, that was a genuine commitment. but then you know, at the window also, but you need the cost and, and, you know, they nice, but my mandate that sector to challenge. and i kind of, you know, so stocked very mates of something very protracted. and i didn't see the out,

which in my, you 1000 costs. if i a war box, i have c see bits of frustration. but again, i would put the blame on both sides for and this lock of a general ivy to implement the means to grievance. ok, well mr. government or we have to take a very some break right now, but she will be back in just a few moments station. the,

[000:00:00;00] the best of all the parts with thomas parameter, director of the geneva center for security policy on former secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe. uh, mr. graham and your uh, in 2025 v. how soon as the, the founding document uh for the or c will mark is 50th anniversary and it has some beautiful principals there that actually helped us put an end to the cold war.

and i think when that the act was signed, there was a clear recognition that differences exist and that they have to be dealt with. and yet when we look at europe right now, there seems to be so much stress on you need to you. there is barely annual for even the negotiation, not only between russia and europe or russia in the west, but even within the west. why do you think, 15 years after the creation of the or c, which is supposedly dedicated to freedom of speech, to you know, dialogue as contentious as it may be? why do you think there is such a fervor such a demand on uniform agreement within the western attempt? i think you meet the half again. uh, come back to uh, the an era off. there are a tough tale, political computation, and unfortunate the, you know, the print, the principles of fact you refer to it. that's where i agreed in,

in the framework of the helsinki final accord in 1975 and the, and then resubmit that by, by states. again, in 19191999 at into in it and, and 2010 in the you know, so no, unfortunately eh, bye. know what the questions these principles i think that has at least late to not being serious at the time, to the data, but they must be being these principles and this delay must stay at is i add these bases. he buys the land mustang needs to be addressed in a scanner not addressed it. they, uh, it leads to poly tensions and, and uh and, and com site. and let me illustrate that point. you know, it varies regarding all those states that are jail,

aka for the jalap correct graphic. they'd be the, the russian federation and nato. and it varies uh and get you a lot of twitter in your introductory comments. and there is an issue uh and it'd be star status, right? because you have the database if you need your security. uh, let's be specific with their secure just it is because russian never precluded down from developing that democracy, the markets, whatever they want. the issue was always as the name of the organization stresses on security. yeah. correct. correct. so that we use that to principles and backed by the charter east, down all the dr. steeple them. optically there is a prince that both off indivisibility of security. that is, you asked to stay short and increase your security at the expense of an offer. and there was another principal, and that allows us the state to freely choose your a security arrangements. now if you apply these 2 principles to states like georgia,

ukraine, media as a by john bella russo, i'm aldo box you half a dilemma, and you can as a tried to solve this dilemma by force and, but that's probably not as advisable. uh, i think the dar diplomatic nice to a database this issue and back to the property then lead to to and all as an agreement on the status of these countries that is close to non alignment neutrality. something like that combined meet security guarantees, combined, obsolete arms control agreements. you know, that would prevent, for instance, nato in establishing natal infrastructure at the, a ukrainian or russian border using that's to uh, a reality specifically on the principle of individuals ability of security. because

i heard you say in the more i think it's some panel that you would laugh uh, the country is the member stage by 2025. not only the commit to the old principles, but to try to read the find them in the, in a new way that would be workable for all. do you think that's still a possibility? i think enough. i think the 25 a box. you know, if you think complex prevention long term into your atlantic and duration area, i don't see any all the way then to a deed and beat the d. that must be the dis, brands, cuz i don't think, you know, i global conflicts can be one way of dealing with it. don't. absolutely. and i think if you want that, i will need either. and i think at some point the need to a come back to the negotiation table and then basically going back, trying to reconstruct their, your b security order. you know, that, that allows us to reconnect with these principles boxed by you opened the

addressing. and these, um, do you see that box and uh, i think uh it, that the solution. uh, it's not gonna happen tomorrow about the my talking, these stories politically implies ideas. well, a for that to have happen, besides, also need to come to a 2nd calculus that a piece is more beneficial for, for that goals denmore. and i think on the russian side, it's pretty, it's easier to defined where the russians can draw that line because they have been very open about it. but what about the west? when do you think the western powers will calculate that? a piece is, is better for that long term security goals, then war for them, the proxy conflict. look, i don't have a great football x it, but i would agree with 0 with that that well the bill sucks. archman calls the mutually hurting stain made which makes the columns they tried for resolution is

not reached yet. and i think of both sides. they don't seem to be released stopped by military means they can reach a much more advantageous uh, negotiation pulsation. i wouldn't exclude that at some point. you know, they're at ration exhaustion, sightseeing and, and, you know, that resource option of negotiations i bought for the time being, i, but my, the most realistic scenario that i see for months is still companies. unfortunately, continuation of a high density complex. now uh, in previous conflicts in which european powers took part, i mean in various conflicts of this century. and the cost to the european population was either minimal or non. this time around is different than the economic advantage corporation that has long served as a, as a pillar. also,

i have both the village and cause of prevention and your has been summary. how big of a challenge is it for european countries? as far as you're concerned and do you think that will lead to any sort of reassessment in, in values or political commitment it's in, in euro i would absolutely agree that the costs halfing enrollments in, in your, in a time terms in economic terms, in political terms uh, you know, the issue with the us, a current agent moving in some sort of a cold war spot, i think in the short term uh, you know, energy shortages, etc. i think that being a database, the people people saw for about my perception, you know, off facts. it's the political situation in your being congress is cleaning

it all with that. and this is all, these are the, the ukraine is thoughts and that, you know, due to these sufferings are taken into account and, and, and so it's neat or, you know, the rest of the chief flows north energy shortages. dr. me to change at these to in the medium term, the perception of, you know, that you're be in the audience. i remember that in the audience, the golden here is there was a lot of tension between political rights and economic cries and more developed more prosperous countries were sort of in the habit of a preaching down to uh, less prosperous the in our view. also retiring neighbors and sort of prioritizing political rise over the economic necessity given that to europe. for the 1st time i

this century has to deal with the past to actually struggle with fulfillment, though phenomena cries for it for its own citizens. do you think it may change the geese course, at least in general, and the realization how, how important is the economy versus politics? i hope it be the lead us again to recognize how important a comprehensive approach to securities and basically the political russian all uh, off the csc. and the always c was always uh, combining uh, political military, uh, issues military uh, fast hall security issue long and economic in the, in my mental affairs. the 2nd by mentioned and the human dimension, meaning a respect for human rights for will of last democratic institutions. and i agree to deal with that has been the history of the always the is

a history of play. one i mentioned against the other beginning at the same time the organization has always been proud for it's comprehensive approach is that you're at the and the as the security channel, i have always reminded participating states at the end, you know, so security, it consists of these different dimensions, and you should also be respectful of different i've mentioned that also respect all the states, you know, that may perceive economic and environmental a fast will be a more, more relevant, like the central agency all day. so we're saying that we have to be respectful of diversity, which don't you think has become a rather controversial proposition this days, the diversity of to use political, economic, humanitarian views should be respected. i agree with you, but this is a unfortunately, this is a feature of the extremely polarized political environment that to be

a recurring theme. it's, it's a feature and also cold war. for those of us that half of these through coldwell wall on the cold war and correct me if i'm wrong because i was born in the final years of the cold war. but i remember that at that time, difference was actually respected because it was dangerous. there was a realization that was fear, that if you don't respect the, your partner enough, you know, they, the wolf can blow up into pieces. do thing that here at best response for, for the out. i mean, is there, i think there is the, at these, the, among the major powers, the various states that a certain respect, you know, for here, as for instance, for the concept of more traditional destruction, i think that hasn't been seriously on the mind or, and, and fortunately and above, you know, what was the typical feature of the cold war was basically these uh,

images of the n b and i've already, yeah, i'm right, you're wrong by definition. and i think i see that happen again and then on both sides, you know, i'm, i'm, i wonder between the rules and i'm struck by that. and that so both sides of invest, the locked in narratives that are then being sold market that as deep sold the truth. well, at that time, back in the seventy's, the 2 sides were wise enough to come up with a new forum. and you east west for them to try to discuss those differences. let's keep our fingers crossed, that the that is still possible in this day and age. in any case, i really appreciate your bravery and your time during this interview. thank you. thank you so much for your interest. and thank you for watching hope to hear again on was

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the according to the map of don't, yes, city, several blocks that were close by ukrainian missiles leading at least 2 people killed and 3 others wounded, including a go. the attack was allegedly carried out with nato supplied weapons. one rocket fired from a high monster tennessee system is set to have been shot down by defenses. so yes, can media outlets have for these footage of a massive cloud of fire and smoke rising? i've lost sight overseas. have restricted the movements of locals on the streets across in the neighboring city of montana. you have a hospital has been partially destroyed by ukrainian shelling. one person was killed that and at least $25.00 others wounded, including 2 children. the missiles, which struck the building, was allegedly fired from a multiple launch walking system, as well as some of the survivors inside the hospital of said the we heard what

sounded like thunder. so we ran deeper into the building and then at all to get everything started falling breaking. and there was a very strong blow to didn't understand what was happening. broken window glass was flying towards us and we had to call to lay down on the floor. that was the last, the windows were blown out. so i said everyone should leave the rooms and hide here in the corner door. t of is planning to slide these out for those you a nuclear power plant overnight on the 5th of july with the me, sol containing a nuclear t bone. that's according to the head advisor to the general director of russia's atomic energy agency. i'll say, correspondent states waiting periods of the details from done yet. i heard the report that you created for these overlay to be planning to launch a strike against is that for all your nuclear power problems with a torch? can you miss all owned with a dirty bone all big nuclear?

why it's now this comes off the both russia and ukraine have been trading bulbs over the past few weeks with each side, accusing the other or routing over about to launch on the imminent attack. then on tuesday morning ukraine cox, the main external power line to the nuclear power plant, causing it to rely on back ups. a pause. now this is a power line that shows uh, nuclear security on you, your safety in closing the international atomic energy agency chief. i fail grossi uh to raise concerns over the uh, the precarious situation of the phones. now, the plan has to be under the control of rushing, full se since march is your largest, but it is covered under frequent attack and frequent shedding from ukraine. any policies printing russia, uh, the russian. i'm positive to the united nations, to send a note around the security council just last week, holding on the general effects, antonio gutierrez, to 4th cape,

to stop it's publications now in terms of lensky, the ukranian president, 5 bach, and he accused russia are planning an explosion at the site and he said that this could be carried out at some distance. if you crating it on both is what allowed to get close to the site. now, the international atomic engine energy agency replied by saying, well, actually there is no evidence to suggest as now, but remember that they have a team permanently based on the nuclear power plant. they reports every day in grossi, again replied, and he said, i never all g with the president of ukraine. i could only say the, i was the don't see top teams are reporting that every day. now this is a response to the leg is claimed, back to russia had taken any of the calls with explosives to the nuclear power pond on hold on one side, mind the i have you. so that has been denied by the international atomic energy agency. now, of course, these are very,

very worrying times that this could lead to the biggest nuclear to testify since to normal in 1996. we're not catch all who may be. announcements are bound to cranes alleged plans told us that most casteel hopes, the key of will refrain from attacking the nuclear facility. i confess, smells like the impulse that we are in constant contact with the i a, a with them. so in this sense, cooperation is developing quite effectively. and of course, when to form the i a, a, about all emerging threats that we should not overestimate the role and capabilities of the organization should. since it's not about one or more. what about nuclear security? which is an institution with a limited mandate, which does not allow to rigidly inform your military political leadership, especially those with mental issue. yet, we never the less have a serious hope that the russian federation through the you, when you and other international platforms will be heard. and those who have

centered us in st. accurate. and we'll stop in, and we'll forger, ukraine to hold just to renew the intel evey, col, roaming and stopping. attack is less at least 7 people wounded. awaiting some fear was may find the following images of assessing the assailant around his car into a bus stop. outside a cafe then jumped out and stopped at least one pass. and before being shot, dead fine on civilian. the incidents comes a day off. the israel last is biggest abigail and ground defensive in decades on the west bank refugee camp of send in his local reporters on the scene of the attack intelligence. you can see behind the scenes where the power, why could you advantage to rally here on the back page and at the nursing part, the full i be either back wide river. it was and you can see that damage because did to that box station. then the officer that said, jerry said was awesome. the car replied to the senior staff,

people on the one of these routers. i've had that and gotten them team according to the leads, fast. got them, and then you realize that they are off from land to west bank. thank you. re and he has a special permission to talk these routes or maybe sell that use man. so some of the people here are more or less states, and some are more than the right being on the map and that there is the pension between them even here on the phone, did seem to be running as far as back and back. some of them saying before on the last remaining and some of them saying because of the re. 9 i then. busy that say core and government point 3 named that right leading and based on from and you can see you guys trying to get it while for some maybe this is why he's trying to ask the latest lation suzanne was telling the recent days in the name of the bank and we said it rally exact by yard. maybe it was

a really great design for many years. we didn't see it may be deeply resolved, but the fact that they know that that will be one of the injured victims, a full, hey 60 woman. is that a critical condition? according to the rescue services, spokes person for the united. how to the medical organization, rafael's polk brings us his account of how things unfolded. a number of her volunteers were dispatched to an emergency took place on the intel a v and responded within less than a minute to the scene. they saw that there had been a car aiming at a bus stop. a number of people were injured. there's $200.00 gunshots from around the area. one person was injured from a stab wounds, bleeding profusely. one person in serious condition, a number of others in various degrees of injury light from all right, so people, something promotional psychological saw are human beings very quickly responded

treated people of the scene and then also or secret trauma, price response seem to provide an emotional, psychological stabilization for those and suffering from shop treaty women, stabilizing with the scenes before they were taken to the hospital for continuing treatment. we do the best that we can to provide treatment to limit the amount of, of injuring damage. but these things are very difficult things to see and to be, to be, to have to respond to underwriter basis. as well as prime minister has announced the operation engineering is coming to an end, and the rate is well defense force troops attach the refugee camp as well as a local medical center, living 11th and wounding of a 100, according to local officials, the local residents through stones attractive blockading the city, which is well claims with that to prevent palestinian militants from escaping at