right, because it's already that the west is acting as if they're already part of nato. so there are hardy putting troops on the ground mercenaries from several countries, not just ukraine fighting russia. it's every one fighting russia yet again, i'm so glad. lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. but without the article 5 guaranteed, i mean the washington must be popping champagne bottles everyday. so the cravings are willing to die, but we don't have to protect them. this is amazing. and the arms about producers, they're making tons of money. i mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because in the us as no obligation, other than to watch, you know, they, usually ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. it's remarkable that they've been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. maybe even more remarkable, gentleman is a year of goals is being led by the nose by washington, by a guy that is comatose in the white house. go ahead and geneva. yeah. yeah. you're the part of the stuff. nobody cares about to credit them because i'm,

every kids don't care about and credit and they to doesn't get too. and even who quitting and goes on that doesn't care about each one citizen because those events keys are ready to fight. going to the last queen and so yeah, so nobody can spend duration. they have no reason to care about and credit. yes. yeah. ready to fight against the last. sorry. go to recall the quite me. yeah. and done by us, which rush out. there's a reset or that the homepage that for good reasons, because the population of the russian speaking people are often boss and also crime the, our primary tooth. you pointed the 2014 back to the russian speaking people and russian from the bus. really a tech to by go or inquiring and go down that down there were going to 14000 people refuse in the

a steel shoulder for the rest of the have to for that. that's also the reason why the russian, they've got the email encrypted because to protect the ethnic and russia speaking people the best. don't forget it and know yes. later, later we probably can introduce just uh, the next the, during the next summit there will probably give a huge and even higher commitment to claim for fighting to do last my last the big g, but games mailed him a lot of things. i have no doubt about that, but david, but david, they will not take the membership. david, go ahead. yes, absolutely correct. you know, it's, uh, it's an open secret that you've created. well, never joined data. i mean, certainly as a factory data member, but there's never been any chance for a rated joint data for many reasons. so france and germany beaten it long ago,

back in 2008 until recently they helped the same position. frances recently come around the other side of a turkey and hungry would also join germany and in between the membership at any point, even if the war was over. and it also is a requirement of nato membership that a country need to ask for approval will not have any territory dispute on any ford troops occupying in spiritual group. and that could only be achieved with the, by a pre, formerly seed in all, uh, territory direction control to russia. so that's the only prospect the i agree with you that for a very technical legal point of view. but i, i, i don't put it past may till breaking its own rules, but you are other reasoning is actually spot on. gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on nato state. stay with all the

the a highly the, let's see, the, with the temporary charities, 3 degree higher already from the neighboring down woods. you know, right. because i big down ships. haven't chucked up the trees butting type guy in the name of development, and he's our 1st to become a skeptical like a single core. we are all going for our, the lives issue, then discovering all degrees with the phone. so when you distract nature, it takes every range of the

the welcome x across, ok, we're all things are considered. i'm, peter will help remind you. we're discussing nato state. the ok, let's go back to look is the,

the thing that's making the headlines right now and i think it's a intentional war. mongering is the possibility of a false flag. of course, the narrative is the russians for some reason will damage or bomb nuclear power plant in its own possession. i can't really understand the logic of it, and it's never explained in the mainstream media. but when i hear talk of that, i understand a couple of things. nato is losing. i'm not going to say ukraine, because this is nato's war now. so nato is losing ok and it's getting desperate. i think you probably heard a lindsey graham and richard blumenthal talking about is a senate resolution that if any kind of new killer action is happens at that plant, it would be a trigger. a article 5 we action by nato. remarkably blumenthal said, this is, you know this, this is not a move out of desperation or panic. well then why did even use the words desperation and panic. ok. it shows to me that they are moving up the escalation

latter. your thoughts, lucas? yes. anyone's going to do a false flag, it's going to be nato and the ukranian, this or some other people doing it like north stream pipeline. you know, all these other things that i mentioned, this aspiration of their duty during the bombing of the crimea bridge. this is all, this is a sign of someone losing a war. the russians are not doing these kinds of things are not assassinating people. they're not sabotaging anything. like i mentioned the dan before. so if there's a false flag, it's been a 100 percent p. nato and its allies, you know, and that's obvious to everyone who understands how the script display. that's always that way, you know, the united states or its allies, which they don't cross this red line. and then suddenly it's crossed by the people that they're paying, whether it be the jihad, as in syria, or is another country. it's always the same set up and it works all the time. but people are starting to see that this is come on. this is, makes no sense and a live with the russians do this. they wouldn't just liked it in bomb word stream to. well, you d, i mean i'm glad that lucas brought it up because the scenario that we had with a,

the use of chemical alleged the use of a dirty bomb and syria, this is exactly the same thing that they're trying to convince, get. and it's warmer and a new crane, they're talking about it. i think it's more of a ploy by the others zalinski regime to mobilize public opinion as a morgue goes on. and, and of course it is that terrified the population in that country and further afield. i don't understand why, as i'm kind of nuclear reaction, we wouldn't the wind blow in go east and not only to the west. that doesn't make any sense here. but these people have not been making sense for a very long time. nato is, nato is very existence at stake right now. it's put all of its eggs in one basket. yeah. you know, we have to understand that it's this type of just a shot can. oh, you know, and if you look this, since the stopped didn't go too slow every 2 months, you have a big event laptop such as a workshop, i found an old stream that cost all that and so on. you know,

don't do pop up to shop in the country convenience in the western countries in fable fossil bought into wal mad girls. so that's fine. but i'm going steps of the stucco or just the plan to follow up that can be used as such to create such a shot. you know the 2 pro hawk. oh, the big dresser box for the queen. as the surely neutral quite and um it is losing on the road, which is the case since the beginning of discount or price you. so in my view is not possible at all. okay. so frustrate attack and just to follow up on the 2nd was that can happen uh, due to this, we have to do to come see dr. do that. now i do this very important for the rest of

the course of the, the tech, from tech to do the, as your, as the direct to use this information role as though to be kept in west dave, it's reed, they need to do so thought id, but such a short events. yeah, david, i mean in my introduction i talked about how this has been turned into an existential war for both sides. but there was a craving choice on the part of nato. it's never been explained to western publics what the strategic value is. of ukraine, it hadn't been during the cold war after the cold war. and it certainly is of no some teasing value to go to europe and then, and when they throw in the usual. and it's usually they these platitudes, as you know, it's about democracy. well, lensky, cancel the election this. there are no political opposition. parties don't exist, there's no freedom of speech and etc, etc. and but they still come in for all this out. is it, is it is

a excess dental for the existence of democracy in the west. in general, i mean, this is this growing absurdity. david. yeah, i mean theres, uh, i mean is it, was he put it in to the service that we're just reading democracy in ukraine because there is no democracy in ukraine. you know, zaleski is acted to us acetate in prison, all political oppositional. yours is, uh, you know, about 11 different political parties. uh, take it over all of our positions, tv networks and, and have them broadcast. so you for any problem in the 247. so there's only no democracies all the work we're doing there, and there's no other way. there's no strategic interest at all. there's no national interest at all for us to be involved in ukraine. and in fact, i would argue there's no uh nationalist, there's no security interest for nato to be involved. migrate down over here, 3 emissions. ukraine is kind of referral to, to nato. and it's of worse generally. i mean, overall, it's

a board dispute between what russian, you prayed over uh, swap the territory about the size of a baltic nation. so this is a war that has, on only one ending russia overwhelmingly, matches over matches the pre and in terms of military power. it's, it's gotten you call and 11 times larger and $35.00 times more territory. it occupies nearly a 5th of ukraine and there's no few prey and get any any but back it is 5 times more people. 5 times more takes our to her systems and combat aircraft. so we need to recognize that the, allow me this work, it was on the greater the death and destruction you create. and the more territory that russia is likely to gain the worse and the worst piece of terms that will, will the ultimately being published upon key. well, to say there's only one more step to take outside this false flag, which i anticipate, sorry, but i do a bit. and it's the mindset of these people. but what we have to deal with here is

that they will be the last straw is to, you know, allow lensky zalinski to convince nato to join the war. that's the last ultimate step. yeah, i, like i said, i think they're pretty much in the we're all ready. i think we all agree that there are many different cultural now. know what i mean, lucas is that, you know, they go to war with russia and then more size taken out. been berlin then bill and that's, that's what i mean. that's what i mean. yeah, yeah, i mean, look, the, i think russia, because you mentioned earlier, this is an essential threat to russia. everything else is just made up and build. busy up is not brand by proven, he's not going to take over the entire continental, like hitler or something like this. this is all propaganda and, you know, yeah, and this is, this wouldn't be the final step if nato goes too far, but i don't think putting wants to do that. he has never said he wanted to do it. no one saying and i know saying commentator a political analyst is saying that he wouldn't do it or could even do it by the way . so you know, that wouldn't be the final thing, but i don't see that happening. and, you know, with nato push that far,

i think they, what i think the united states, one of the greatest things we're good at is destroying everything, lying and stealing and cheating us. you know, so many of our agents would say, and it's just a very bad situation to see this loss of life for absolutely nothing but special interest. so i just felt that this more and sooner than later i hope it ends within the next year. i would think, i don't think it's gonna be another vietnam for $1015.00 a rock or whatever the case. let's hope that's not. i don't know if it's even possible to sustain it that long at this point. but yeah, the nato will do whatever they have to do to try to defeat russia and they will fail in my opinion. yeah, they do a, a d in the process. they destroyed themselves here. and, you know, we've, we've talked about the lack of democracy in ukraine, but it's damaging civil liberties in the west as well. i mean, people being canceled and shadow band and all of this. i mean, i mean, i was banned from twitter for quoting brock obama on about you crate. i the i you i mode to. i'm a conservative. i'm the, i don't walk around it quoting brock obama,

but when i said, well, this is what obama said about ukraine. then i was taken off. thanks to you on it. i'm from you on. i am back on twitter again, but i mean again a their, their turn this into some kind of moral crusade, but it should be about security. yes that's, that's very clear. but it's also collapsed for the rest of the venue. would be some great in the war because i wrote an optic, i know about that like state in which the extent of the source this was mainly the collapse of the rest of that was because because that's the piece you know, it was for instance the was created, you know doctor may be seen, you walk and now he's making cool. so that's a very big country. i did shop. same for you, my wife know last last week it was stored in the video about his balding come my

thoughts restful. but the main news was not desponding. it draws, it draws that this ball being but the draws the the drawers, the, the, the concept of these exxon's, the next unit president. so then let's just up to the next us, next you are in the, you know, quite so wednesday, lensky discounts and then each for democracy there is not to, we're up in the west of media. that's the default. that's of the situation that that's why or do so with narrative about doing value is just i'm to david 11 last question for you. how much of an impact is this going to have on the 2024 election we have about a minute left. well, i think it's, it's going to be a huge it back to 2024 election. the by interest ration is secretly trying to wind down or trying to establish the security guarantee for you pray. and that would replace the needle membership,

and that would only be the issue. the credit goes you piece of the problem is the, there are so far behind the power curve. uh, they haven't been negotiating with russia and all that we've been through the diplomatic separate chapter with russia. on the republican side, the 3 leading republican presidential candidates are also for the warranty. pre in trying to re establish a, i'm going to come with a better relations with russia in or so us national security interest. and so that we can counter re focus on friday. we should not be involved in this, this work. oh, well i, i, well, i warned for a very long time that russia gate would bleed into policy and this is what we get. okay. a fantasy creating a tragedy. that's all the time we have gentlemen. want to take my guess in salt lake city, brake and in geneva. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember prospect the,

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the the, the graphic images, a had 3 civilians are killed in $47.00 wounded including 3 children in the latest ukrainian strikes on the done yes. republic. 9 healthcare facilities in the region . 4 also damage. also i had moscow sounds. the alarm over keeps the plan to attack zappa rosa a nuclear power plant that says the i a, a had denies any signs that russia is planning a sabotage. following a similar accusation by valencia and china is top diplomat calls on

japan and south korea to joint forces and unite for revitalized asian continent and move away from the western allies. saying that most americans and europeans can even tell china japan and south korea apart the coming to from moscow. this is our t international with the latest and world news. i'm fiorella isabel. great to have you join us. 3 people have been killed and at least 46 are wounded in ukrainian strikes on several cities in the tanya republic. ukrainian missiles hit the regional capital dying yet leaving 2 dead and 3 wounded, including a child. the attack was carried out with nato supplied weapons. ukrainian

shelling also hit the small town of ya, single, dr. young, near done yet damaging a local railway station and directly striking a supermarket, no casualties have been reported thus far, but local reporters called the attack massive and the neighboring mach, you've got a hospital, has been partially destroyed, with 8 other health care facilities damaged by ukrainian showing, here's more from our corresponded on the ground, steve sweeney. this is the off the mazda of the ukranian, shedding of a hospital in lucky. i've gotten that done yet. square public. the attack took place on tuesday night, and as you can see, it is called extensive damage to the exterior of the hospital with many of the windows blown out and calls strewn across the floor. now of course, a talking a hospice will come to choose a war crime, but what kinds of committed here on a daily and even hourly basis using western supplied weapons. but the western media studiously ignores them with

a blanket silence over the wall. crime is committed by you, cranium, forces pro ukrainians are claiming that a hospice was damaged, often imo, dump was struck, but there was no i'm item and no military presence. this was a residential area, one of many which have come under attack on a daily basis for the last 9 years will cause and locals expressed anger at tuesday's attack my child steps through. when the showing began. i was on my way up to the trauma department. i myself was from intensive care. i didn't manage to get there. i heard to rumble as soon as the military mountains, that unit, they told me not to go anywhere and land wronged the showing the starting. so that's what i did. there was no panic, no hysteria, all the shaking of the walls. there's a free hits in a row, but in the end we survived the showing begin at 9 pm. there was a noise was very loud. everyone quickly fell to the floor and tried to run to the basement,

but the wall had collapsed in the basement caved in ourselves. it was gone. we and our neighbors stuck together and did our best to support each other. according to local officials, at least 49 separate attacks took place across the don't yet. so we're public over the last 24 hours using $281.00 pieces. what i'm your nation, there's it included a mixture, all photos cried and they tell you, supplied weapons. but the war crimes continue with school was marketplace is hospitals and people's homes. among those targeted and ukrainian attacks. this is steve sweeney in the don't. yes, republic for all t, the ukrainian forces, also shelves civilian areas in the city of semen. nadia in the lou gone to republic where at least one person was killed and 2 others were injured. meanwhile, russia's defense ministry reported that 165. you korean soldiers have been killed

in the last 24 hours in lou gone alone. the kremlin spokesperson has said that all possible measures are being taken to prevent cubes planned attack on this upper ocean nuclear power plant. that's after the head advisor to the general director of russia's atomic energy agency warned of the attack by ukrainian forces and was conducted she appears on the situation is quite tenant says there is indeed a great threat of sabotaged by the key of regina. the sabotage may be catastrophic and its consequences, which the key of receiving has repeatedly demonstrated its reckless abandon. and most recently, we saw it during the bombing of the calls, the hydro electric power plant, which also had her wrist that consequently so that's why obviously all measures are being taken to counter this threat. meanwhile, ukraine in turn, has accused moscow of an a legit plan to tap on the plat, a facility which is already under russian control. and it allegation, which has raised more than a few eyebrows that has

a nice little is if the we now have information from our intelligence that the russian military has a place to objects resembling explosives, on the roof of several power units of this operation. nuclear power plant to watch that perhaps to simulate an attack on the plant. perhaps they have some other scenario. but in any case, the world seen influx cancer, but seeing them show that the only source of danger to the separation nuclear power plant is russia and no one else. russia has 0 reason to blow up a nuclear power plant under their own control. ukraine is about to blow up a nuclear power plant to accelerate the conflict into a full scale nato regime change declaration of war. evil. craven transparent suicide. all that for rosy will be the worst, and most obvious falls flag by the us government in history. the world may come to regret having allowed the us to get away with so many crimes and lies like weapons of mass destruction in iraq, north stream,

etc. humanity may now pay the ultimate price for such foolishness as the landscape accuse as russia of a plan falls flag operation. many still have questions for cab. among them, the sabotage of the north stream pipelines, as well as it moved to a massacre and the recent destruction of a town home cut them. meanwhile, the international atomic energy agencies had russell gross. the says neither he or his team have seen any evidence to support the landscape. claims that he said permanent mission of the i a there i have been in contact with them today. if just a few hours ago. we are aware of these a few nations, these statements from both sides in our latest having inspections. we haven't seen any mining activity, but we remain extremely alert. still political analysts and former

us marine bryan ber. lennox says the desperation of cab and its western backers could force them to resort to nuclear sabotage. the offensive is not going well for you crime. it is new crime that is desperate to christ sponsors that are desperate. so it seems a painfully obvious, but this is just the us using this, this old trick that they've used over and over again. they have their ukranian proxies or using it yet again, in regards to this upper or she had to clear out what the actions that in crane is compelled to take makes no sense in the context of ukraine's actual best interest for us. and isn't it interesting that it's russia accused of violating ukraine sovereignty? what it is, the collective west using ukraine in this way. i've noticed in the western media, but they're not talking about the international atomic energy agencies. observations that there aren't any explosive devices at the nuclear power plant. why are they leaving that out? i think,

but west still feels that they have dominion over global information space. and that no matter what actually takes place on the ground, their media reaches all corners of the globe and they can spin. it's any way that they want a china is top diplomat when he has called on his japanese and south korea and encounter parts to joint forces and unite to revitalize the asian continent and move away from the western allies. waiting till this guest attending a trilateral form, that most americans and europeans cancel china, japan and south korea a parts the americans take all visitors from china, south korea, and japan. as asians, they cannot tell the difference between chinese japanese and koreans. and it is the same in europe, no matter how blonde you dye your hair or lift your nose tip, you cannot become a westerner. we need to remember where we come from. when you also urged asians to resist the resurgence of

a cold war mentality and reject the coercion of her gemini, instead promoting open regionalism and inclusive asian values. lang also suggested quote, certain major powers outside the region of exaggerating ideological differences in order to so confrontation to discuss as indefinitely now across live to our panel of guest senior fellow at this height institute in our tank and asia, political risk analysts, rough find gold, political analysts and host of the silk and steel podcast carls off. welcome to all of you. and i'm going to start this wonderful discussion with karl. so caro, china's top diplomat, when he and his speech spoke about the reunification of asia and the importance of remembering one's roots noting that westerners can't tell asians of part what reaction can we expect from japan and south korea from the statement. i mean